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suiteng	Oct 7 2008, 09:23 AM Return to original view \| Post #1
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	TS. Can you please state the nature of the complain / dispute again? Dun quote me the whole first post. Please state it in point form coz I'm an idiot.
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suiteng	Oct 7 2008, 11:44 AM Return to original view \| Post #2
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(hazzy @ Oct 7 2008, 03:56 AM) should i waste some more money just to call her? ive wasted alot of money to send the ingredient to lab and buying her product. dont worry i think hun knows about this matter, i can wait, but for how long actually. even if download something from internet, our internet browser will show estimated time. she should at least give some clue, as long we are informed by her with something, anything will do. saying like, "im really busy right now, i will give my explanation on this sunday" thats sounds more convincing. some "clue" u know? at least, i will feel relieved and that will show she is responsible type of person. hazzy, had crazymouse_yyh been informed of this thread? According to her profile, Last Active 29th September 2008 - 11:48 PM Status (Offline) Did you tried to call her? Another thing is, what is the purpose of this dispute? I understand that it's regarding a product called SLURP, but what is wrong with it? Can list out the points?
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suiteng	Oct 7 2008, 11:58 AM Return to original view \| Post #3
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(sharil_routh @ Oct 7 2008, 10:33 AM) Chill sui sui.. nobody is idiot . TS and others already state the point but when posts come again from someone dono the point, it being confused again. Oh... but after I read the first post, it seems like a report instead of a complain or dispute wor.. So, the point of this dispute is what ar?
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suiteng	Oct 7 2008, 12:04 PM Return to original view \| Post #4
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(sharil_routh @ Oct 7 2008, 12:02 PM) I disagree. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Jom, yamcha~
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suiteng	Oct 7 2008, 12:22 PM Return to original view \| Post #5
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(Only_Human @ Oct 7 2008, 12:12 PM) No look so weird ? Mod didnt online 1 week more ????? Mod should do their job right ? cannot everyday online also i week need online few day ? ( did i wrong for this ? ) And i feel many ppl protect her ? why ? because she is mod ? If other ppl more than 1 week didnt come out explain ~ LYN mod or staff already guve them dispute status already ~ Firstly, I didn't see any effort to contact crazymouse besides using LYN. Secondly, what's the nature of this dispute? As long as both points is not made clear, the dispute tag will not be given. This is based on my observation la.
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suiteng	Oct 7 2008, 01:31 PM Return to original view \| Post #6
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(melt @ Oct 7 2008, 12:46 PM) Today is the 7th day. TS has made a complain on crazymouse so a dispute has been created so the reason for crazymouse to get a dispute is because he failed to reply as TS has made a complain on crazymouse on the product he/her is selling. Is just the same with ppl selling fake stuff but they told seller that is original. Is this not consider a con case? Anyway I think is best TS to just sms crazymouse once more so that he/she should come forward to defend his/her product/ The problem is, the first post is vague and didn't state the reason for this dispute. All the post I see following the post is rants and rants and rants and karma even before the seller reply. If you follow the glider threads, you can see that most of the post are flames. So can the TS kindly list out what is the problem with the product instead of just posting a lab report?
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suiteng	Oct 7 2008, 05:34 PM Return to original view \| Post #7
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(hazzy @ Oct 7 2008, 02:44 PM) The dispute is that crazymouse_yyh said that there was calcium supplement in the slurp. The report shows otherwise. The level of calcium there is almost the same as phosphorus which should not be the case if there are calcium supplements. Also, the dispute is that there is cyanide in the slurp. She failed to mention this in her selling thread. I am merely asking for an explanation. Thanks for making the matter clear. Now only I know you were asking for explanation about calcium level and cyanide. I feel weird coz I thought cyanide occurs naturally and already exist in our drinking water. OMG, does that mean I shouldn't give plain water to my gliders to drink? QUOTE(hazzy @ Oct 7 2008, 04:15 PM) oi! ape masalah kau ni? aku bukan org takde duit tau? aku taknak bazir duit jerh utk call hun That means you're not serious about getting an explanation. So you're just posting this for the fun of it or spread some news about unconfirmed things? QUOTE(hamster9 @ Oct 7 2008, 04:35 PM) it's not rare she can MIA for sometime. I personally had a hard time reaching her when I had to leave on a working trip overseas in which she was supposed to baby sit my glider for me until I had to resort sending it to another forummer in such urgent manner. For that record, she MIA for about 2 weeks in which her phone too was unreachable. I can verify this as I'm the one who babysit the glider instead. crazymouse can really MIA at times when there's an emergency at her side. QUOTE(Yukaeshi @ Oct 7 2008, 05:19 PM) Here are a few observations of mine- there seems to be a lot of misunderstandings going around. I believe that Hazzy posted the information here not because he/she wants to flame crazymouse_yyh, but rather to request for an explanation regarding her SG Slurp's contents and perhaps to caution other potential buyers in the mean time (With the posted report) before it gets an all-clear. But since this is a dispute thread it's mainly to request for an explanation and to solve the matter of the dubious SG Slurp. The information does not only occur here. There had been flames in other threads (I dun think I need to list all of them) cursing that crazymouse will have karma even before the case gets all clear. QUOTE(Yukaeshi @ Oct 7 2008, 05:19 PM) But since crazymouse_yyh has been MIA for such a long time, and if Hazzy is really desperate for an explanation, I suggest that Hazzy directly call her. I believe that if Hazzy places such importance on the contents of the SG Slurp checked and on the health of his/her SGs, Hazzy should directly contact crazymouse_yyh instead of going through 3rd parties (e.g. friends of crazymouse_yyh calling her informing her, etc.) to resolve this because information going through other people might be misinterpreted or misunderstood. Exactly, if TS is concern about the health of his/her glider. QUOTE(Yukaeshi @ Oct 7 2008, 05:19 PM) crazymouse_yyh, likewise, seems to be aware of this dispute thread. If she does, is able to be contacted regarding the existence of this thread but unable to be online, then she should at least give a brief explanation about this SG Slurp problem to her friends who contacted her and posted here. Instead of telling them she has family problems and seems to be pushing away the issue, which makes it even more dubious. To be honest, I don't think that a pet lover would be capable of mis-managing supplementary foods for such delicate pets. But still, I would recommend a direct resolution between Hazzy and crazymouse_yyh if both parties are concerned- Hazzy concerned about his/her SGs and the Slurp and crazymouse_yyh concerned about her reputation as a seller/pet owner. Like I said, going through friends/3rd parties are liable for more problems to occur. First bold. That's a fact. Second bold. Everyone knows crazymouse is a pet lover. No pet lover would want to kill her own pet or other people's pets. This post has been edited by suiteng: Oct 7 2008, 05:36 PM
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suiteng	Oct 8 2008, 02:51 PM Return to original view \| Post #8
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 8 2008, 02:05 PM) Poor crazymouse, have to let friend defend her instead of coming here to explain herself. Clearly this is one sided defense which is useless. In most dispute cases, usually people already quoting bad karma, shame on you, make bad name for <race> only and so on before the disputee even come explain already. So, friend don't need to get mad about this. 3. Do not post unless you have something useful to contribute. Ranting is not useful contribution. QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 8 2008, 02:05 PM) Friend also should have asked crazymouse why she not online to explain. Friend could have just post, "crazymouse is busy, will come explain on <date>" instead of defending for her without knowing the real reason. I would like to know when too. Me and her = seller and buyer relationship. QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 8 2008, 02:05 PM) I also strongly disagree friend quote "Everyone knows crazymouse is a pet lover. No pet lover would want to kill her own pet or other people's pets.". bla bla bla.. bla bla bla.. So any friend/foe who is trying to defend/defame crazymouse with one sided statements should refrain from doing it because it will only shows your support/disapprove only. Nobody is interested to know you are friend or foe. Let's wait for crazymouse herself to appear or not. It is clear that crazymouse already know about this thread. So let's wait. Now I was told from the lab report that feeding drinking water with 0.2ppm of cyanide (based on WHO safety standards) can kill a gilder. Ofcoz I'm worried and want to know the result of this dispute asap but the TS doesn't want to make a single phone call to clear this doubt. I own gliders. Do you?
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suiteng	Oct 9 2008, 10:19 AM Return to original view \| Post #9
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(bonai @ Oct 9 2008, 03:55 AM) Sorry if this is a non-contributing post.. I'll post it anyway since I have something to say.. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 1. What's with Reanne making a big deal over what I talked with crazymouse_yyh over the phone..? And what's the need of repeating it twice and trying to pointing it out? My conversation with crazymouse_yyh is something like this: bonai called, crazymouse_yyh answered.. crazymouse_yyh: "Yes bonai...?" bonai: "Hun, you busy? Are you free to talk?" crazymouse_yyh: "Yeah yeah.. can talk" bonai: "You know about your slurp right?" crazymouse_yyh: "Yes.. Bonai, I never did put any apple seed in my slurp.. I didn't send anyone online to post for me either" bonai: "Yeah, why you not online?" crazymouse_yyh: "I don't have internet connection.." bonai: "Anyway, you ok ah?" crazymouse_yyh: "Yeah, I'm ok.. it's just my house dont have internet connection.." bonai: "You better go online fast..when you got internet connection.." crazymouse_yyh: "Ok I'll go online when I have connection.." bonai: "Well ok Hun, bye!" crazymouse_yyh: "Bye!" So can anyone tell me where went wrong and why my conversation with her should be a big deal? We are both being professional and polite to each other.. Why is it someone else trying to provoke me here? Asking her to come online is to settle this matter and this is understandable. 2. I'm concerned about people talking about Hazzy. Yes, I have to admit he is my friend indeed. crazymouse_yyh was once a friend too. Anyway, regarding the SLURP, we are all aware that crazymouse_yyh went online after Hazzy posted & questioned her. She choosed not to post anything or even give a brief explanation to it. Get the picture here: SELLER** (crazymouse_yyh) ----- has to explain to -----> BUYER (Hazzy and the rest of the world) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Why is it Hazzy the only one who should give her a call? Isn't it easier if crazymouse_yyh was the one who should call Hazzy and explain to him first at least? And yes, that's the way it should be.. Better more if she explains it online where everyone could see. Because this is regarding her product. And yes I see Hazzy did his effort by sending to the lab and posting online, why question him anymore? Plus, when Hazzy said the product is like this like that (please read 1st post), many of crazymouse_yyh supporter claimed it to be contaminated. If ever crazymouse_yyh explained to Hazzy and Hazzy posted the explanation here, would they believe it? This part I'm confused myself. crazymouse_yyh is awared of this dispute and this matter, she's the one who should take a step to settle this now, not Hazzy. So now crazymouse_yyh left us with: "I don't have internet connection.." From what I read from the rules, she should have been receiving a dispute tag since she's been missing for more than 7 days. Until she comes forward here, the tag remain right? Anyway, if this is considered as a non-contributing post, I guess I'm off on a 3 days holiday then... Really hope staffs & mods understand the situation from both sides and do what ever is best. True, 7 days had passed. Anyone here who is crazymouse's friend who have any update from her? And hazzy, do you have any letter from a professional to show that cyanide level in this product is poisonous towards glider? If a professional vet says so, that mean ALL glider owner needs to stop feeding their glider drinking water. For safety reason, I'm giving them vitagen now QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 9 2008, 09:53 AM) Why is this a non contributing rant? I am pointing out in a neutral position on how people are one sided. Why can't I say something if I don't own gliders? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Is this a dispute on gliders or the person doing business on gliders? So, does that means because you own gliders, you can speak LOUDER and others should keep quiet? Because you are religion A, you can speak louder but not people who is religion B cannot give their neutral opinion? I am backing off now before mod start to give warning. But so far I think mods or dispute officers are not handling this case fairly because it involves some veteran users and supporters. Side note: When your business is at stake, we should find a way to clear our name. Internet cafes are not hard to find nowadays. Oops..I do not own internet cafes...can I still comment on this? I was just asking whether you own a glider. Why you went all defensive over that statement? Added on October 9, 2008, 10:29 am QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Oct 2 2008, 09:58 AM) Since Yang u mention me here. so i will repeat myself, which i already stated in the suggie thread. I will send all the flavours of Suggie-Smoothie to the lab. and stop selling the smoothie NOW. eventhough this is nothing to do with me. but i just want my buyer to feel saft. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « it is not fair to ask Hazzy to send all Slurps to the lab, as its not cheap, Maybe the Maker, Crazymouse_yyh or the seller, White Palace, should have the responsibility to send ALL the SLurp to the lab, but since this happened, I think the best and more convincing way is, the maker and the seller bare for the bills for the Slurp customers to send their remaining Slurp in their fridge to the Lab. Cyanide may not contain in all SLURP, if there is no seed which contain Cyanide, but can you explain the calcium: phosphoros part?? the Calcium: phosphoros with that ratio will same do harm and kill the sugar glier after sometime. Which maker always claim there are added calcium supplement. Repeat again. both Ca:P and cyanide do not kill the animal immediately. And AGAIN I repeat, Lab only give anaylsis, they don't give you statement. the Lab result is for you to read and you have to do your own study. if the SLURP is feed to a HUMAN there is no harm at all. How the lab know who will Hazzy feed the Slurp to?? I hope this is a serious thread in Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner, which I don't need to repeat and repeat my statement like talking to a kid in the Sugar Glider Thread. Please READ all the post, do not pick or ignore those you don't want to answer or you canot answer. You can question Hazzy, you can question the lab report(the paper), but i canot imagin that you can be so childish until you can question the Lab. I guess NON OF US here is more professional that the Chemis in the Lab. I think we should keep this thread clean, only for the SLURP maker and SLURP buyer, NON of us should post or say anything as NON can 100% sure what is in SLURP. Its time to SHUT UP our mouth now. Although my glider was feed with Slurp before, but i don't think i can question much. as some people are too sensetive here. Uncle taro can share the lab report? This post has been edited by suiteng: Oct 9 2008, 10:29 AM
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suiteng	Oct 9 2008, 02:31 PM Return to original view \| Post #10
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(bonai @ Oct 9 2008, 01:14 PM) Again now what's up with you bolding my sentence: "crazymouse_yyh was once a friend too."? It has nothing to do with this dispute and please don't bring up unrelevant arguments/discussion here please suiteng. p/s- if you want an explanation, call crazymouse_yyh directly? You're blaming Hazzy not calling her but then you're waiting for his explanation. What's this? Are you trying to tumble things down? If you're keen to know the answer you go call crazymouse_yyh and ask her for yourself. And yeah, I personally think this matter is not treated fairly. Whoever is right nor wrong, still it should be treated fairly. You said you were once her friend, so I put the contents of your chat aside since it's not relevant anymore. And I did ask her OTHER friends to update on this case, didn't I? My other questions are relevant. My issue is not with crazymouse because I never bought her products anyway. So why should I call her up? My question now points to hazzy's lab report, and I've stated it over and over again and here it goes again :- Is 0.22ppm cyanide dangerous to a glider? Any letter from a professional to prove that it's dangerous? Is drinking water dangerous to a glider? If this matter needs to be treated fairly, where's uncle taro's report?
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suiteng	Oct 9 2008, 03:49 PM Return to original view \| Post #11
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	QUOTE(mikelim2020 @ Oct 9 2008, 03:28 PM) why do u bring in uncle taro?? this thread is bout slurp.. pls do not bring in irrelevant topic here.. if u hav problem with uncle taro, pls send the product to 1 professional lab and open another dispute thread and post the report there.. dun mess things up here Because this dispute impacted uncle taro's sales. QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Oct 2 2008, 09:58 AM) Since Yang u mention me here. so i will repeat myself, which i already stated in the suggie thread. I will send all the flavours of Suggie-Smoothie to the lab. and stop selling the smoothie NOW. eventhough this is nothing to do with me. but i just want my buyer to feel saft. And we need to treat this matter fairly. QUOTE(bonai @ Oct 9 2008, 01:14 PM) And yeah, I personally think this matter is not treated fairly. Whoever is right nor wrong, still it should be treated fairly.
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suiteng	Nov 3 2008, 08:06 AM Return to original view \| Post #12
Hopeless President Senior Member 3,589 posts Joined: Nov 2004	Why TS is still withholding some information and not posting everything up?
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