But the the is a cons to this.... people might know you having them and possible hijack or break into your car...
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Oct 29 2008, 09:29 AM
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Hmm....another suggestion was maybe a car sticker (the one like the rifles club) would help ...instead of telling those policemen that you have replicas in the car.....u know some people tend forget to tell them.... and u till end up in option 2 like cyrusvirus says .....
But the the is a cons to this.... people might know you having them and possible hijack or break into your car... |
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Oct 29 2008, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(air @ Oct 29 2008, 09:11 AM) Instead of letting them take the initiative to check the car, why dont you tell them you got replicas and get them read by card reader? By trying to hide the replicas, you are asking for a beating before checking, that is the price of trying to be sneaky since you wont let card reader to help you get over this. Bro Air. Be nice and cooperate with policeman during checking and play it cool, if you not cool enough, they nail you first before you try to do something fishy. the 4th point you mention is not constructive enough... instead of having many card reader which is cumbersome(not efficient), why dont just let them check one by one? Instead of using only card reader, we can come up with a solution that provide a direct sweep scan to recognize initial status of replicas before checking the car thoroughly: such as an active area scanner, then proceed by a card reader checking process. my point here is: 1. Scan the car with active scanner/driver tell the policeman about replicas first 2. Checking by card reader That should smooth out a lot of process and keep it cool along all the time. how to play it cool? You anticipate the policeman reaction of these replicas, you play it along and not intimidating them to get over with the process. If the person who did not do that, he/she is deserved to be nailed by force before nego. You didn't get my point. I am referring to the 1st reaction. The boys in blue will not take any risk in checking 1st or listening to your story. What preventive or action will they deploy when they see a almost real thing or a real firearm. It can be a replica or a real thing cuz it can really threat a life if the real thing. They will draw their guns on you 1st. Any where in the world, police will draw their gun the moment they see or detect any firearms then only they talk. it's a SOP in our country too. Cyrus |
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Oct 29 2008, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(air @ Oct 29 2008, 09:11 AM) Instead of letting them take the initiative to check the car, why dont you tell them you got replicas and get them read by card reader? By trying to hide the replicas, you are asking for a beating before checking, that is the price of trying to be sneaky since you wont let card reader to help you get over this. Multiple read can be done very easily. In fact when police is driving they can already know the amount of airsoft weapons within a certain amount of radius of their vehicle, provided they have the scanner in that vehicle. Be nice and cooperate with policeman during checking and play it cool, if you not cool enough, they nail you first before you try to do something fishy. the 4th point you mention is not constructive enough... instead of having many card reader which is cumbersome(not efficient), why dont just let them check one by one? Instead of using only card reader, we can come up with a solution that provide a direct sweep scan to recognize initial status of replicas before checking the car thoroughly: such as an active area scanner, then proceed by a card reader checking process. my point here is: 1. Scan the car with active scanner/driver tell the policeman about replicas first 2. Checking by card reader That should smooth out a lot of process and keep it cool along all the time. how to play it cool? You anticipate the policeman reaction of these replicas, you play it along and not intimidating them to get over with the process. If the person who did not do that, he/she is deserved to be nailed by force before nego. All this reaction are true of now, but we are talking about in the future if we "CAN" educate the gov, and the people, on the sports. Of course if you want to actually legalize it at the first place, a proper system must be proposed that can convince the lawmakers that the system can reduce unwanted occurance from happening in airsoft sports ma Added on October 29, 2008, 9:33 am QUOTE(cyrusvirus @ Oct 29 2008, 09:31 AM) Bro Air. You do have a point, thats why, an unavoidable method might be to paint the tip orange blaze, or worse still, do dual tone lo. And seeing that we're not as liberal as US, but more like UK, if this were to happen, we're most probably gonna be dual toning the damn guns. Pink and green perhaps? You didn't get my point. I am referring to the 1st reaction. The boys in blue will not take any risk in checking 1st or listening to your story. What preventive or action will they deploy when they see a almost real thing or a real firearm. It can be a replica or a real thing cuz it can really threat a life if the real thing. They will draw their guns on you 1st. Any where in the world, police will draw their gun the moment they see or detect any firearms then only they talk. it's a SOP in our country too. Cyrus This post has been edited by daijoubu: Oct 29 2008, 09:33 AM |
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Oct 29 2008, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 29 2008, 10:31 AM) Multiple read can be done very easily. In fact when police is driving they can already know the amount of airsoft weapons within a certain amount of radius of their vehicle, provided they have the scanner in that vehicle. Haha...pink and greens ....that reminds me of the water gun i used to have which power by 2 big batt ... similiar replica of the M16All this reaction are true of now, but we are talking about in the future if we "CAN" educate the gov, and the people, on the sports. Of course if you want to actually legalize it at the first place, a proper system must be proposed that can convince the lawmakers that the system can reduce unwanted occurance from happening in airsoft sports ma Added on October 29, 2008, 9:33 am You do have a point, thats why, an unavoidable method might be to paint the tip orange blaze, or worse still, do dual tone lo. And seeing that we're not as liberal as US, but more like UK, if this were to happen, we're most probably gonna be dual toning the damn guns. Pink and green perhaps? |
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Oct 29 2008, 09:42 AM
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Or worse still, clear guns
Then need to have 2 sets already. One for skirmishes and scrims, one for collection |
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Oct 29 2008, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 29 2008, 09:31 AM) Multiple read can be done very easily. In fact when police is driving they can already know the amount of airsoft weapons within a certain amount of radius of their vehicle, provided they have the scanner in that vehicle. Bro. All this reaction are true of now, but we are talking about in the future if we "CAN" educate the gov, and the people, on the sports. Of course if you want to actually legalize it at the first place, a proper system must be proposed that can convince the lawmakers that the system can reduce unwanted occurance from happening in airsoft sports ma Added on October 29, 2008, 9:33 am You do have a point, thats why, an unavoidable method might be to paint the tip orange blaze, or worse still, do dual tone lo. And seeing that we're not as liberal as US, but more like UK, if this were to happen, we're most probably gonna be dual toning the damn guns. Pink and green perhaps? My guess is that they will only agree if the replica are Mini's. p/s : try educate Mickey 1st then we see how. LOL |
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Oct 29 2008, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(cyrusvirus @ Oct 29 2008, 09:42 AM) Bro. perhaps My guess is that they will only agree if the replica are Mini's. p/s : try educate Mickey 1st then we see how. LOL pink and dual tone seems to be the way to go la, but honestly damn potong stim leh >.< |
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Oct 29 2008, 09:47 AM
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Mini will reduce our love to airsoft .Mini also not so beautiful ,look like 'OKU'
Any fun play wars with mini ? |
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Oct 29 2008, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(cyrusvirus @ Oct 29 2008, 09:31 AM) Bro Air. How did they see before you told them? Dont tell me you put all replicas to the backseat instead of luggage storage? Instead of threat of life I rather to call it as public panic. You didn't get my point. I am referring to the 1st reaction. The boys in blue will not take any risk in checking 1st or listening to your story. What preventive or action will they deploy when they see a almost real thing or a real firearm. It can be a replica or a real thing cuz it can really threat a life if the real thing. They will draw their guns on you 1st. Any where in the world, police will draw their gun the moment they see or detect any firearms then only they talk. it's a SOP in our country too. Cyrus It is a different story when you legalize the sport, but not in visible form. Same rules applied to other country, they legalize the sport, but they forbid public appearance of replicas in front of public. Why? to avoid public attention/panic... You are using the current policeman reaction state to replicas (before legalize the sport), to exaggerate the the effect against replicas. (if it is legalized) Points: before legalize(police reaction against replicas will be: real weapon) after legalize (police reaction against replicas: real weapon or replicas? check first) The cause of nailing airsoft player: not realistic replicas they saw, is they put it in visible form a.k.a backseat to gain public attention/panic. Keep replicas from public attention and be honest with policemen can really play it cool all the time. you cant see my point I stressed on this discussion. It is public panic we care instead of realistic replicas making unwanted misunderstanding. |
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Oct 29 2008, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE(air @ Oct 29 2008, 09:53 AM) How did they see before you told them? Dont tell me you put all replicas to the backseat instead of luggage storage? Instead of threat of life I rather to call it as public panic. - Bro. I dont care where you put. I am saying if they see... This post has been edited by cyrusvirus: Oct 29 2008, 10:22 AMIt is a different story when you legalize the sport, but not in visible form. Same rules applied to other country, they legalize the sport, but they forbid public appearance of replicas in front of public. Why? to avoid public attention/panic... - Bro. Just look at how malaysian drive will tell you how they will break rules...Like i stress many many times..how matured is avg malaysian? You are using the current policeman reaction state to replicas (before legalize the sport), to exaggerate the the effect against replicas. (if it is legalized) - Bro. Have you ever deal with our PDRM guys ar? Points: before legalize(police reaction against replicas will be: real weapon) - Agreed after legalize (police reaction against replicas: real weapon or replicas? check first) - You think so? The cause of nailing airsoft player: not realistic replicas they saw, is they put it in visible form a.k.a backseat to gain public attention/panic. Keep replicas from public attention and be honest with policemen can really play it cool all the time. - Policemen won't be honest wit you. Cause majority of the police force don't even know Malaysia basic law -Trust me. you cant see my point I stressed on this discussion. It is public panic we care instead of realistic replicas making unwanted misunderstanding. - Public panic is 1 thing but at least the police or those who legalize to know the what is legal within the laws. Try ask ard, they will interpret the law very very differently. Each have their own version le. |
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Oct 29 2008, 10:27 AM
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im just wondering, yet again....
it seems someone has to point out the relevant authorities involved with this sport....i think much more newbies would be interested in joining in the fun of airsoft.... im not much into it now...just collecting.... i bet the veterans would know, seemingly you guys organize the games regularly.... this shld increase participation and result in lowering the ridiculously ever increasing price of the equipments (*some i know, is taking advantage out of this).... it could be listed out with numbers.... at least certain inquiries could be made.... as a start i think could be within this website... more paintball than airsoft....but they sure know their stuff.... http://www.raskalmalaysia.com/ ive also noticed that there are abt 2 dedicated forums being done by people within this forum... why dont share with the newbies who are really trying to get in the sport... my 2cents... |
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Oct 29 2008, 10:27 AM
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Oct 29 2008, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(air @ Oct 29 2008, 10:27 AM) Yea I knew they wont change policy or attitude against replicas in short time, the only way we can change the tide slowly is through the sport, which is the group aim for, aim for legalisation through proper and legal method by performance... Bro. AirThat is why I think they will agree to the mini's 1st then we move on to the 1:1 scale. Education / Information is the best way to tackle all this but again we are facing a uphill task. I share wit you 1 incident. There is this guy age 28, he wanted to get a Beretta M92 springer. When I ask him what is he going to do with it and guess what he told me? " I want to carry it around in a gun holster so I look cool !!!" - |
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QUOTE(cyrusvirus @ Oct 29 2008, 11:25 AM) Bro. Air Really crappy that guy still act like he is below 12... even concealing the replicas from public proved very difficult technically, this guy is ignorant of public panic... irresponsible behaviour... salute...That is why I think they will agree to the mini's 1st then we move on to the 1:1 scale. Education / Information is the best way to tackle all this but again we are facing a uphill task. I share wit you 1 incident. There is this guy age 28, he wanted to get a Beretta M92 springer. When I ask him what is he going to do with it and guess what he told me? " I want to carry it around in a gun holster so I look cool !!!" - |
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Oct 29 2008, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(cyrusvirus @ Oct 29 2008, 11:25 AM) Bro. Air That is why I think they will agree to the mini's 1st then we move on to the 1:1 scale. Education / Information is the best way to tackle all this but again we are facing a uphill task. I share wit you 1 incident. There is this guy age 28, he wanted to get a Beretta M92 springer. When I ask him what is he going to do with it and guess what he told me? " I want to carry it around in a gun holster so I look cool !!!" - |
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Oct 29 2008, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(cyrusvirus @ Oct 29 2008, 11:25 AM) Bro. Air It's with this sort of attitude that will make legalizing airsoft here near impossible. Many are just into this for the "Cool" factor, reflecting how irresponsible they can get. It takes a drop ink to spoil a whole jug of milk.That is why I think they will agree to the mini's 1st then we move on to the 1:1 scale. Education / Information is the best way to tackle all this but again we are facing a uphill task. I share wit you 1 incident. There is this guy age 28, he wanted to get a Beretta M92 springer. When I ask him what is he going to do with it and guess what he told me? " I want to carry it around in a gun holster so I look cool !!!" - |
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Oct 29 2008, 01:20 PM
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Its good to see a lot of responsible enthusiasts in this forum. Kudos to all of you mates!
However, here's my take on control of these items. I think the whole chip thing is ridiculous. First of all, this is a toy (although it does fall into a grey zone of being just that), with that in mind, a toy will sell like a toy. If its legalized, I would assume prices would drop a fair bit from its current state and seeing as how active this market is as it stands currently, I dare say it will be a healthy market here in our beloved land. Now if they sell like toys do, that means that there will be a vast market that becomes incredibly hard to control over time. Imagine the government putting chips in your toys from Hasbro....... that would mean the government would be fiscally hard-pressed to control it. Once again, I'm not saying I have a better or more original idea but I think all we need to do is look to some countries that have them legalized like the US or Japan. If you understand their way of controlling these items, you'll realize that they will fit just nice into our public safety system. If you think only msian police are the only ones who practice shoot first, ask questions later, you are wrong. That's because ALL police officers are trained for life preseverance, namely their own life first. So if you pull out a gun (replica or not) and the officer deems you as hostile and decides you are a threat to his life, he WILL pop you first..... why do you think they practice so hard for a quick-draw? |
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Oct 29 2008, 01:21 PM
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no doubt that most of them out there want an airsoft because of the cool factor. x salah if u want to be cool but must be at the right place, the right time & with the right people. carry it around just to show off is just stupid.
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Oct 29 2008, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(Draken @ Oct 29 2008, 11:58 AM) It's with this sort of attitude that will make legalizing airsoft here near impossible. Many are just into this for the "Cool" factor, reflecting how irresponsible they can get. It takes a drop ink to spoil a whole jug of milk. Hi mate,Now I saw a more mature and constructive discussion. That a better things to do rather than posting some immature adolescence-like comments ( Sorry if I am being rude). I suggest oligopoly on the subject pertaining airsoft distribution. meaning we will have 4-5 companies distributing legal airsoft at one time, so price can be standardized and controlled to an affordable level. On top of that, the will be quota limitation per year as of how many airsoft can be sell. This way we can regulate and control the number of airsoft presence in the market. Those who apply for airsoft operator will be given complete course as of how should they conduct themselves in and off the skirmish field. Those who fail to abide the standard regulation will severely punished. As for the three matter on how can we regulate airsoft that I write earlier, it is always on mind to see all three to be put into an act. The tighter the rules are, the better for us. For those who are capable to abide rules, they won't feel any discomfort but for those "cowboys" like individuals, this will certainly choke them. Irresponsible individual should be kept away from airsoft. At the end of the day, it still our attitude that bring this hobby down sinking deep in the ocean. It only take few guys with bad attitude to spoil the rest of us and it will take only few of us wth bad attitude to shatter the confidence of the respected authorities bodies towards us. Sincerely, WARHAWK |
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Oct 29 2008, 01:54 PM
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hmm.. maybe each company distribute only 1 or 2 type of airsoft. smg from here, rifle from there, handgun from right, sniper from left. but then, there will be a middleman who said can buy you everything under one roof. sigh...
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