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myboo_1988
post Oct 28 2008, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(WarHawk @ Oct 28 2008, 09:26 AM)
Hi mate,
As we know this is a "red" hobby. We should stay low and frosty, unless you plan to invite troubles to your door. We do not know who are watching us.

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u rock man!!!

zzzz to the newbie pls refer to the 1st post...but our ts is suck!!!only said the fun begin

pls spoiled all the airsoft pic..

well done today join today ask for supplier...

we are not here to supplier bro...

intro urself.la no offence...

warhawk...let get back to our own airsoft forum..(dangerous can cause alot of jealousy tongue.gif )joking joking
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post Oct 28 2008, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 28 2008, 07:24 PM)
Honestly, idea 1 and idea 3 sounds good. Idea 3 i think is practiced in the Phillipines right? Except the armory. They are serialized, and a small fee must be paid for registration, but i not sure whether they are supposed to keep it in the armory or not.

As for idea 1, it is feasible as long as they are talking about passive RFID chips. Very cheap, but requires expensive readers. They cant be tracked more than a certain distance away but at least if someone wants to use it in a robbery, police can easily identify whether the gun they using is a airsoft or not.

But the problem with all this idea is that every piece has to be purchased via a 'sole distributor' which will do all the chipping/serializing. So no more oversea order, etc. Unless they open a service to chip already owned airsoft, for a small fee. That would be good.

Whatever the idea, just no two tone please sad.gif.

Also, i think i can develope idea 1 further since i have some knowledge in rfid, as long as masoc isnt going the rfid line tongue.gif
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Hi mate,
Do you mind telling us how the RFID works, what are pros and cons and of course, the cost of each unit?
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post Oct 28 2008, 11:06 PM

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want to let go G18C RM120 ,please PM me and pleae grab it ,
Need pocket money

myboo_1988
post Oct 28 2008, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(MICHAEL NG @ Oct 28 2008, 11:06 PM)
want to let go G18C RM120 ,please PM me and pleae grab it ,
Need pocket money
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put in the lelong la
WarHawk
post Oct 28 2008, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(myboo_1988 @ Oct 28 2008, 11:06 PM)
u rock man!!!

zzzz to the newbie pls refer to the 1st post...but our ts is suck!!!only said the fun begin

pls spoiled all the airsoft pic..

well done today join today ask for supplier...

we are not here to supplier bro...

intro urself.la no offence...

warhawk...let get back to our own airsoft forum..(dangerous can cause alot of jealousy tongue.gif )joking joking
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Thank you mate myboo for clarifying the matter above. We are here not to do business. we are here to exchange ideas and discuss on how can we get this hobby legalized and what should we, the society wholisticly approach this shocking issue.


myboo_1988
post Oct 28 2008, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(WarHawk @ Oct 28 2008, 11:10 PM)
Thank you mate myboo for clarifying the matter above. We are here not to do business. we are here to exchange ideas and discuss on how can we get this hobby legalized and what should we, the society wholisticly approach this shocking issue.
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hope this will happen end of this year sad.gif
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post Oct 28 2008, 11:16 PM

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Quote what Warhawk words:

In order to encourage the legalisation of this sport, we should think how the chipset works against illegal usage, and may not be tampered for bypassing illegal usage, else drastic punishment measure shall taken to those failed to abide with the R&R.

Currently still squeezing my brain for constructive ideas.... lolz...


Added on October 28, 2008, 11:19 pm
QUOTE(MICHAEL NG @ Oct 28 2008, 11:06 PM)
want to let go G18C RM120 ,please PM me and pleae grab it ,
Need pocket money
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This fella is just spamming for his own pleasure... he doesnt even care others to reply him and simply spam... it is iritiating though...

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daijoubu
post Oct 28 2008, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(WarHawk @ Oct 28 2008, 11:06 PM)
Hi mate,
Do you mind telling us how the RFID works, what are pros and cons and of course, the cost of each unit?
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An example of RFID application is the touch and go card. Basically a small piece of electronic sensor can be embedded into the airsoft and it contains various information such as owner, gun type, date of purchase, etc la. From there the gun can be tracked to its owner, etc.

A reader will be used to read the chip inside the weapon. Readers typically range from close range type 5cm radius, up to meters away, depending on type of chip, and type of reader.

Price of such chip are pretty low actually, averaging RM1 each, some cheaper, some more expensive, depending on their specifications.

I have further ideas for this, as well as i can build the system if need, but i require more research into it smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2008, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 28 2008, 11:21 PM)
An example of RFID application is the touch and go card. Basically a small piece of electronic sensor can be embedded into the airsoft and it contains various information such as owner, gun type, date of purchase, etc la. From there the gun can be tracked to its owner, etc.

A reader will be used to read the chip inside the weapon. Readers typically range from close range type 5cm radius, up to meters away, depending on type of chip, and type of reader.

Price of such chip are pretty low actually, averaging RM1 each, some cheaper, some more expensive, depending on their specifications.

I have further ideas for this, as well as i can build the system if need, but i require more research into it smile.gif
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I see. Interesting and the system is quite cheap and affordable. Let say that we manage to put all the three option we have into action, what are the good and bad consequences this will lay to our society and how can we manage and downsize the problems that arise from flood of AEgs? and how could AEgs owner contribute back to society?


Added on October 28, 2008, 11:39 pm
QUOTE(myboo_1988 @ Oct 28 2008, 11:13 PM)
hope this will happen end of this year  sad.gif
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Pray to god it will happen, mate, and we shall taste the joy together smile.gif

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post Oct 28 2008, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(WarHawk @ Oct 28 2008, 11:33 PM)
I see. Interesting and the system is quite cheap and affordable. Let say that we manage to put all the three option we have into action, what are the good and bad consequences this will lay to our society and how can we manage and downsize the problems that arise from flood of AEgs? and how could AEgs owner contribute back to society?
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IMHO, to control AEG or airsoft flooding, suggest to the body that only one distributor will be legalized. In other words, only a sole company will have the license to import airsoft and to manage them/ and it has to be government monitored to avoid certain things that most monopoly firms do.

AEG owners on the other hand, can contribute back to society by strictly islanding illegal owners, namely those whose AEgs are without embedded chips inside and without the orange tip. Islanding them includes banning them from getting to scrims/games/wars/sims/expos/gatherings.

There are many ways actually, but all that matters are the nod of a few important heads then this sport will be good to go. =)
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QUOTE(Mefzouk @ Oct 28 2008, 11:46 PM)
IMHO, to control AEG or airsoft flooding, suggest to the body that only one distributor will be legalized. In other words, only a sole company will have the license to import airsoft and to manage them/ and it has to be government monitored to avoid certain things that most monopoly firms do.

AEG owners on the other hand, can contribute back to society by strictly islanding illegal owners, namely those whose AEgs are without embedded chips inside and without the orange tip. Islanding them includes banning them from getting to scrims/games/wars/sims/expos/gatherings.

There are many ways actually, but all that matters are the nod of a few important heads then this sport will be good to go. =)
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I do agree with your idea but i believe having two bodies instead of a single body would be better as a single body would monopoly the whole sport, and government monitoring wouldnt do much to help sad.gif.

Islanding idea is a good one tho. That would help to encourage illegal owners to register their piece smile.gif
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post Oct 29 2008, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(Mefzouk @ Oct 28 2008, 11:46 PM)
IMHO, to control AEG or airsoft flooding, suggest to the body that only one distributor will be legalized. In other words, only a sole company will have the license to import airsoft and to manage them/ and it has to be government monitored to avoid certain things that most monopoly firms do.

AEG owners on the other hand, can contribute back to society by strictly islanding illegal owners, namely those whose AEgs are without embedded chips inside and without the orange tip. Islanding them includes banning them from getting to scrims/games/wars/sims/expos/gatherings.

There are many ways actually, but all that matters are the nod of a few important heads then this sport will be good to go. =)
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sorry, i object this idea. THIS IS MONOPOLY! LOL tongue.gif
oh you mention monopoly thing....

okay now we have

1. chip in the asop
2. serial no
3. armory
4. sole distributer

now sort out the pro&cons

1.chip in the asop
put a chip in the asop so that the pak polisi can distinguish them between toy or real.

PRO
-cheap

CON
-easy to take off (either throw it out or bypass it)

2.serial no
put a serial no on the asop so that it can be recognized.

PRO
-................

CON
-................

Armory
a place to gather all our weapon. weapons will never get out from there.

PRO
-we will never see asop in public area

CON
-is it safe?
-sapa nak jaga? letak pak guard ke? nanti Al-Maunah masuk curi asop pulak LOL tongue.gif
-mobility problem (how to transfer from 1 armory to another?)

4.sole distributer
one nation, one asop distributer.

PRO
-prevent non-airsoft player to buy those thing.

CON
-THIS IS MONOPOLY!
-distributer can jack-up price ikut suka diorang...


my ..... what, my money also u want ar? take la take la.... tongue.gif


Added on October 29, 2008, 12:07 am
QUOTE(MICHAEL NG @ Oct 28 2008, 11:06 PM)
want to let go G18C RM120 ,please PM me and pleae grab it ,
Need pocket money
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throw it in dustbin la...

This post has been edited by MawarBiru: Oct 29 2008, 12:09 AM
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post Oct 29 2008, 12:19 AM

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Oh..yeah maybe two main distributors will be a good thing. Hmm I think, armory wouldnt be a good idea, unless the community is willing to pay for its security and storage. (to my sense, it is quite illogical...sorry if i offended anyone =\)

Furthermore, IF and only IF we want to go to the extreme, why not make every purchase registered with IC as the likes of purchasing a mobile number? Should any crime happens, the authority would have a target culprit segment to suspect on and to investigate on.

But then it involves concise coordination from our country's departments.

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post Oct 29 2008, 12:30 AM

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check this out....
6mm bb bullet...
just like paintball.
get shot and get blood, fake blood
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yeah.... paintball ammo ... but heavier than BB if my memory serves me correctly...

pretty useful for torney where we need to 'mark the dead' and ...

ZOMBIE HUNTING!!

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post Oct 29 2008, 12:56 AM

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but I also heard this one is also quite risky to our beloved toys as it can also spoil the toys when it crack prematurely inside the barell..

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post Oct 29 2008, 02:17 AM

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good day

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post Oct 29 2008, 06:50 AM

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last sunday...i visited my wife's village then something interesting happen....her uncle is hunting "landak" using air rifle (self make)....so i try for couple of shot.....amazingly fps about > 600 fps..... can penetrate 1 side of coconut....wahhh drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif ...but it must be pump first
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Bro's

Last week had a Kopi session with some friends (* cough* those from SB*cough*). I did touch on the BH story. Guess what the reaction from them? They laugh until drop from chair. So they put in nicely for me. The SB concern is the reaction rather than the ways of controlling.

Ok. To use lay man term. If you are a policeman/SB/CID, when you stop a uncle like me ( wat happen if they happens to stop MichealNg LOL tongue.gif Sorry ar mickey jz joking !) during road block. You search the car (on my way for a game) and found a JG M4ss, MP5Ka2, M249 or even a BerettaM92 or Glock18. Wat will be your 1st reaction?

1. Draw your 0.38 or Glock...On hot mode with the barrel against my head...
2. Use tactical move to arrest me...Once i saw a policeman bang the poor fella head against the car door...
3. Read my rights LOL tongue.gif? yeah...like that gonna happen...
4. Take out the RFID reader and check 1 by 1?...then let me go...Polis oso not enuf mycard reader let alone RFID reader...

So draw your own conclusion. I just poke fun on the above. BA are deadly against legalizing replicas. This is only my own conclusion from the kopi session and does not represent any1. biggrin.gif

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post Oct 29 2008, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(cyrusvirus @ Oct 29 2008, 08:43 AM)
Bro's

Last week had a Kopi session with some friends (* cough* those from SB*cough*). I did touch on the BH story. Guess what the reaction from them? They laugh until drop from chair. So they put in nicely for me. The SB concern is the reaction rather than the ways of controlling.

Ok. To use lay man term. If you are a policeman/SB/CID, when you stop a uncle like me ( wat happen if they happens to stop MichealNg LOL  tongue.gif  Sorry ar mickey jz joking !) during road block. You search the car (on my way for a game) and found a JG M4ss, MP5Ka2, M249 or even a BerettaM92 or Glock18. Wat will be your 1st reaction?

1. Draw your 0.38 or Glock...On hot mode with the barrel against my head...
2. Use tactical move to arrest me...Once i saw a policeman bang the poor fella head against the car door...
3. Read my rights LOL  tongue.gif? yeah...like that gonna happen...
4. Take out the RFID reader and check 1 by 1?...then let me go...Polis oso not enuf mycard reader let alone RFID reader...

So draw your own conclusion. I just poke fun on the above. BA are deadly against legalizing replicas. This is only my own conclusion from the kopi session and does not represent any1.  biggrin.gif
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Instead of letting them take the initiative to check the car, why dont you tell them you got replicas and get them read by card reader? By trying to hide the replicas, you are asking for a beating before checking, that is the price of trying to be sneaky since you wont let card reader to help you get over this.

Be nice and cooperate with policeman during checking and play it cool, if you not cool enough, they nail you first before you try to do something fishy.

the 4th point you mention is not constructive enough... instead of having many card reader which is cumbersome(not efficient), why dont just let them check one by one?

Instead of using only card reader, we can come up with a solution that provide a direct sweep scan to recognize initial status of replicas before checking the car thoroughly: such as an active area scanner, then proceed by a card reader checking process.

my point here is:

1. Scan the car with active scanner/driver tell the policeman about replicas first
2. Checking by card reader

That should smooth out a lot of process and keep it cool along all the time.

how to play it cool? You anticipate the policeman reaction of these replicas, you play it along and not intimidating them to get over with the process.

If the person who did not do that, he/she is deserved to be nailed by force before nego.

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