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Hobbies gun replica v2
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Oct 30 2008, 12:17 PM
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Oct 30 2008, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(nikolo98 @ Oct 30 2008, 12:14 PM) Lol. No offence to anyone when I say this so please don't mind me. I think we're taking this whole idea of controlling the items to absolute critical degree. Bro nikolo,Here's my two cents about "robbers" using airsoft to rob say...... banks. You have to be that stupid of a robber to take your asop and try to rob the bank in broad daylight because your gun will never stand up to a real gun carried by the responding police team. You can threaten all you want with the hostages but when the police find out that they are toys.... let's just say you're screwed. (Notice bank robbers these days prefer to rob banks at night?? much less complications because there isn't anyone to deal with.....) You have to understand that robbing a bank or a jewelry store isn't something simple as brandishing weapons and walking into the joint. It also involves logistics in getting out fast enough (so you don't get caught), dispersing/laundering the money/jewelry and remove traceability (so you don't get caught) and etc (so you don't get caught). The robbers that get away these days are truly the ingenious ones! Like that one time the maybank kena rob via the underground tunnel dug into the vault. Now if you think deeper, crimes that involve a substantial amount of money are masterminded by organized crime rings and these folks have real weapons. Why'd they want asop? Keep operating costs down? So with those out of the way, asop can be misused by the smaller clowns for muggings and stuff. But if that's the case, why would they resort to asop guns (which cost considerably more than your steering lock/crowbar/steel pipe/knife)? To mug someone you don't point a gun at them and yell "GIMME ALL YOUR MONEY!" from afar. Instead you need to sneak up behind them, catch them off-guard and mug them. In this case, a gun is overkill for the job even if its asop. A little pen-knife (which is WAY EASIER to conceal) is more than enough to scare the daylights out of the victim. How about the joe that tries to rob a restaurant/7-11 with asop? They all have CCTVs and that's how the police get their faces and nail them in the end. So regardless of what they use, if they intended to rob a place, any countertop item can be used as a life threatening weapon. Even your kitchen knife is intimidating enough compared to asop. Now here's an interesting scenario for you to ponder about... let's say 7-11 gets robbed by an asop brandisher, and for some reason, the fella behind the counter thinks "I'm not afraid to fight back".... what do you think will happen the moment the 7-11 employee finds out that its an asop? the robber better run for his life coz he's got a really pissed employee about to take the robber's head off with the cash register. One last thought. Detroit in Michigan is one of the world's cities with the HIGHEST crimerates. Crimes committed using asop is practically unheard of. Why is that so? Bro warhawk, I agree with you that for our society to remain safe it is better to bear some of that burden on our own shoulders and not only rely solely on the authorities. I think that your suggestion for the enthusiasts to bear some of that financial burden of installing chips and stuff is admirable but let me put it this way, if there is a way that works well without the need to incur extra costs, wouldn't that be better? As for guys who pack their "heat" around when going for games. Once this is legalized, it is not to be assumed that all police officers will be aware of the existence of these toys. So in the event you get pulled over, do the smart thing. Keep your hands on the wheel, stay in the car and don't make sudden movements. When the officer talks to you, declare to him "Tuan, saya ada replika mainan dalam boot. Tuan bolehla periksa tetapi mainan ini adalah sah di sisi undang2". Telling him rather than letting him find it himself can induce two different reactions. If the officer tells you to get out and frisks you, you let him do so. Remember you're not committing a crime so don't act like you are. Once he's satisfied, you might even make friends with him (if he's from the area you're from). Lolz, sorry for writing so much. I hope I didn't bore anyone you the point there and you nailed it.. As for the case where criminals uses asop to rob... maybe these buggers are budget criminals... |
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Oct 30 2008, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE(nikolo98 @ Oct 30 2008, 01:14 PM) Lol. No offence to anyone when I say this so please don't mind me. I think we're taking this whole idea of controlling the items to absolute critical degree. yes betul tu kawanHere's my two cents about "robbers" using airsoft to rob say...... banks. You have to be that stupid of a robber to take your asop and try to rob the bank in broad daylight because your gun will never stand up to a real gun carried by the responding police team. You can threaten all you want with the hostages but when the police find out that they are toys.... let's just say you're screwed. (Notice bank robbers these days prefer to rob banks at night?? much less complications because there isn't anyone to deal with.....) You have to understand that robbing a bank or a jewelry store isn't something simple as brandishing weapons and walking into the joint. It also involves logistics in getting out fast enough (so you don't get caught), dispersing/laundering the money/jewelry and remove traceability (so you don't get caught) and etc (so you don't get caught). The robbers that get away these days are truly the ingenious ones! Like that one time the maybank kena rob via the underground tunnel dug into the vault. Now if you think deeper, crimes that involve a substantial amount of money are masterminded by organized crime rings and these folks have real weapons. Why'd they want asop? Keep operating costs down? So with those out of the way, asop can be misused by the smaller clowns for muggings and stuff. But if that's the case, why would they resort to asop guns (which cost considerably more than your steering lock/crowbar/steel pipe/knife)? To mug someone you don't point a gun at them and yell "GIMME ALL YOUR MONEY!" from afar. Instead you need to sneak up behind them, catch them off-guard and mug them. In this case, a gun is overkill for the job even if its asop. A little pen-knife (which is WAY EASIER to conceal) is more than enough to scare the daylights out of the victim. How about the joe that tries to rob a restaurant/7-11 with asop? They all have CCTVs and that's how the police get their faces and nail them in the end. So regardless of what they use, if they intended to rob a place, any countertop item can be used as a life threatening weapon. Even your kitchen knife is intimidating enough compared to asop. Now here's an interesting scenario for you to ponder about... let's say 7-11 gets robbed by an asop brandisher, and for some reason, the fella behind the counter thinks "I'm not afraid to fight back".... what do you think will happen the moment the 7-11 employee finds out that its an asop? the robber better run for his life coz he's got a really pissed employee about to take the robber's head off with the cash register. One last thought. Detroit in Michigan is one of the world's cities with the HIGHEST crimerates. Crimes committed using asop is practically unheard of. Why is that so? Bro warhawk, I agree with you that for our society to remain safe it is better to bear some of that burden on our own shoulders and not only rely solely on the authorities. I think that your suggestion for the enthusiasts to bear some of that financial burden of installing chips and stuff is admirable but let me put it this way, if there is a way that works well without the need to incur extra costs, wouldn't that be better? As for guys who pack their "heat" around when going for games. Once this is legalized, it is not to be assumed that all police officers will be aware of the existence of these toys. So in the event you get pulled over, do the smart thing. Keep your hands on the wheel, stay in the car and don't make sudden movements. When the officer talks to you, declare to him "Tuan, saya ada replika mainan dalam boot. Tuan bolehla periksa tetapi mainan ini adalah sah di sisi undang2". Telling him rather than letting him find it himself can induce two different reactions. If the officer tells you to get out and frisks you, you let him do so. Remember you're not committing a crime so don't act like you are. Once he's satisfied, you might even make friends with him (if he's from the area you're from). Lolz, sorry for writing so much. I hope I didn't bore anyone when you were in that aituation(dealing with the police/rela) just tell them what you have in your car/bag or what ever...don't get panic and act like hindustan/tamil hero film to run from them...there are the authorities and what they do is just for the sake of law... if there's any attempt to rob any shop using airsoft, well i think they just want to be the another geng mamak, geng m-16, or geng styer...hahahahaha...i think not only the airsoft operator need to be educated but also the public...this can be done through exhibition/advertisement on mag/tv...get some publicity to let the public know....just like the paintball before... for the financial matter, i think that is what the important of having an asscociation/club...from there, i think will reduce the financial burden by having sponsors either from local company or foreign company...mayba can start from the philipines/HK company to get the sponsors thing because they have the experience in handling this matter... that's my opinion la...sorry for my bad english...budak kampung only...peace |
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Oct 30 2008, 12:55 PM
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very funny la u ni kawan
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Oct 30 2008, 01:08 PM
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What I mentioned in my previous post is to strengthen my stand that the misuse of asop as tools for criminal activity is minimal and that any excessive use of chips to control the distribution of these items is not only cost consuming but also effort consuming.
During the initial introduction, I'm sure there will be some idiots out there who try something stupid like what I've mentioned before but let's put it like this, if they get gunned down by the authorities, then..... excuse me for being a little rude here..... serve them right. At the very most, I'd say, the gov can implement this idea...... For every asop imported by government registered/licensed importers, it must be mandatory for the importing company to place a piece of paper in each box stating the national regulations pertaining to ownership and use of these toys. That is how the government can educate the public without using up any of their own resources. If people don't bother to read, who's fault is that really? the gov's or the person who chooses not to read? So maybe that paper can have a line declaring end-user conformance such as "I hereby in possession of this item, declare that I fully understand the regulations that the government of Malaysia has underlined. In no event shall I directly or indirectly involve this item to be used as a means/tool in committing an illegal act and if such an event does occur, I do not hold the authorities responsible for their reactions." I think this will educate and at the same time make ownership much easier for enthusiasts. |
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Oct 30 2008, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(nikolo98 @ Oct 30 2008, 01:08 PM) What I mentioned in my previous post is to strengthen my stand that the misuse of asop as tools for criminal activity is minimal and that any excessive use of chips to control the distribution of these items is not only cost consuming but also effort consuming. akuan bersumpahDuring the initial introduction, I'm sure there will be some idiots out there who try something stupid like what I've mentioned before but let's put it like this, if they get gunned down by the authorities, then..... excuse me for being a little rude here..... serve them right. At the very most, I'd say, the gov can implement this idea...... For every asop imported by government registered/licensed importers, it must be mandatory for the importing company to place a piece of paper in each box stating the national regulations pertaining to ownership and use of these toys. That is how the government can educate the public without using up any of their own resources. If people don't bother to read, who's fault is that really? the gov's or the person who chooses not to read? So maybe that paper can have a line declaring end-user conformance such as "I hereby in possession of this item, declare that I fully understand the regulations that the government of Malaysia has underlined. In no event shall I directly or indirectly involve this item to be used as a means/tool in committing an illegal act and if such an event does occur, I do not hold the authorities responsible for their reactions." I think this will educate and at the same time make ownership much easier for enthusiasts. tu pun ok jugak for those who gooing to buy need to sign some document as akuan bersumpah and also to state their readiness to accept whatever punisment if they break the rules |
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Oct 30 2008, 01:48 PM
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Yeap. Something along those lines.....
Tapi tak perlu sain apa2. Janji you beli, dalam kotak tu ada kertas deklarasi tu you dah automatik setuju buat akuan. Senang kan? Kalo beli tanpa kertas tu, kira illegal la.... kalo beli ada kertas dah auto setuju.... kan senang? no need to go to gov office to sain ni sain tu..... |
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Oct 30 2008, 01:52 PM
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tapi bro.. akuan bersumpah pun boleh DISALAHGUNA..
p/s. just being sarcastic.. no offense intended... commercial break.. This post has been edited by mikoblackcat: Oct 30 2008, 01:54 PM |
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Oct 30 2008, 01:53 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Bro your points are valid definately, and no offence taken, as we all can discuss and debate these matters with a mature mind (unlike some ppl in parliament =.=). Now while i do agree that crimes with airsoft are very low, the main issue here is not the crime itself, but to provide an answer to the main concerns of the people have the power to legalize this sport. I daresay, that if you were to ask anyone in the higher authorities why they are hessitant to legalize airsoft, they would say that it is because it 1) resembles a firearm and can be used for illegal activities 2) can be upgraded to really cause hurt onto people (high powered springs + metal bearings?) Now we all know that the chances of people actually doing this is very very small, but would it be easier to try to convience the lawmakers that this wont happen, or would it be easier to propose a system that can prevent the occurance of such an incident? You got to know what is the biggest challenge we're facing in legalizing airsoft. The biggest challenge in legalizing airsoft is to actually convince the lawmakers that this sport isnt all the destruction and carnage that they all think it is. But what would be the easier route to take? Argue with statistics that it wont happen, or take preventive measures to prevent it from not happening? Secondly, correct me if i am wrong, but the daring money changer heist that happened in KLIA not too long ago was commited with an airsoft AK47. I cant remember the details, but that was what i heard. Of course, if compared to real firearms, crimes with airsoft is like, 1-5%? But think in the lawmaker shoes. If one person used it already, many more can. Why should i give more trouble for our country and legalize it? So i hope you understand the reason for such a proposal. It might not make monetary sense if you want to talk statistics, but we're dealing against the typical Malaysian mind that holds the power to legalize airsoft. They are paranoid, have alot of problems already at their hands, and they cant see the good this sport could bring to the country. It takes much more than just statistical reasoning to get them to legalize airsoft Its a pity our country's leaders are so unwilling to think outside the box. Because of one or two bad apples, they shut down on so many things. Bleh~ No offence too btw, just a friendly debate. We all have similar goals right? Which is to be able to play this sport without fear in this country in the future Cheers! |
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Oct 30 2008, 02:22 PM
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yes mmg akuan bersumpah xcukup...that's y permit kena ada..permit dah ada kira setel 1 hal
dari situ boleh screen org2 yg ada rkod crime...for those who have any crime record, black list and penting untuk buat kempen...through kempen we can educate the public...untuk permulaan just campaign on video screening, posters, risalah... for safety reason, there must be age limit to play this game...and untuk dapatkan permit kena p kursus like what the other forumers had mentioned before...the evaluator must be polie/armed forces personal or the ex-police/amred forces personel with the right qualifications... untuk game site, mesti yg ada permit...u cannot play at any place that u want bcause it will harm the others..and there should be police to monitor the game as a marshal.. apapun keepon contributing your ideas....harap2 impian kita untuk dapatkan kebenaran untuk game ni tercapai... |
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Oct 30 2008, 02:46 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « You're right bro, I suppose the narrow-mindedness of our politicians does add unnecessary barriers to our hobby. What if there is big money to be made from this industry? kinda like AP system? do you think that will speed up the legalization process? I think it would.... This post has been edited by nikolo98: Oct 30 2008, 02:48 PM |
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Oct 30 2008, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(nikolo98 @ Oct 30 2008, 02:46 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « You're right bro, I suppose the narrow-mindedness of our politicians does add unnecessary barriers to our hobby. What if there is big money to be made from this industry? kinda like AP system? do you think that will speed up the legalization process? I think it would.... |
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Oct 30 2008, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(nikolo98 @ Oct 30 2008, 02:46 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « You're right bro, I suppose the narrow-mindedness of our politicians does add unnecessary barriers to our hobby. What if there is big money to be made from this industry? kinda like AP system? do you think that will speed up the legalization process? I think it would.... |
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Oct 30 2008, 07:16 PM
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AP? 300% Duti Eksais better....
LOL LOL LOL and LOL i got better idea... lets invite KJ play with us... then he will persuade PakLah... before PakLah step down la... hehehe P/S : asopter going politics? ------------------------------------------------------------------ okay enuff nonsense.... now, im voting on permit/akuan bersumpah. its easy,and practical. but, i think changing the permit to an ID Card, is a better idea. why? so we can put it in our wallet.... --------------------------------------------------------------- field or CQB, which one will you prefer? This post has been edited by MawarBiru: Oct 30 2008, 07:25 PM |
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Oct 30 2008, 07:20 PM
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i only found 1 shop selling not so real scale..
is there any real scale selling 1?? too small for my big hand |
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Oct 30 2008, 11:55 PM
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Make full use of asop association as a recreational body which is responsible to organize, guide and privide technical assistance as well as providing places or utilities to PLKN.
This will also attract more youth to join PLKN too.. Pros - Make PLKN looks better with such activities instead of taking the kids go mandi sungai and then came out in newspaper.. drowned! - asop association and asop get legalize - create awareness and exposure our Malaysian people what is actually asop and how to identify it. - asop association will get contact from gomen to handle all asop activities contacted for PLKN and use the income to organize national level tournament - when asop legalize, Malaysia can send more people to sports event like SUKMA, SEAGAMES in target shooting squad cos more people will get interested into this sport. - asop association create jobs to retired army officers or retired police officers by paying allowance when they are involved as marshalling, techies, trainers etc.. Cons.. sorry.. cant think of it.. maybe some guys can point out more.. |
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Oct 31 2008, 03:01 AM
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Guys, anyone got experience with these items?
- CYMA AK47 CM.028 - BE M15 HK99 - JG MP5 NAVY - JG M4A1 Come share your opinions and poisons |
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Oct 31 2008, 07:14 AM
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CM.028-S....tried before. Not bad..... nice decent weight. Direct clone from the TM counterpart. The mechbox is V2 I think and the only thing I can see that is plastic is the fore-grip and piss-tol grip. Shoots pretty well although I have to say i'm not big on the AK's iron sight system.... I can't aim for nuts using those sights. Best iron sights are still from the M4/M16. Hope this helps
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Oct 31 2008, 09:08 AM
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Added on October 31, 2008, 9:14 am field or CQB, which one will you prefer? [/quote] i prefer field, can hide behind tree or grass. CQB. if too close, i affraid the pellet hit my hamesome face just kidding, actually CQB also fine to me, can try some old house on estate area. Can play - attack & defence, rescue hostage and many more la. This post has been edited by redevils24: Oct 31 2008, 09:14 AM |
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Oct 31 2008, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(mikoblackcat @ Oct 30 2008, 12:26 PM) Bro nikolo, you called? you the point there and you nailed it.. As for the case where criminals uses asop to rob... maybe these buggers are budget criminals... I'm a fan or airsoft too since my uncle loaded me (a LONG time ago) with a 9mm handgun with the words "Double Eagle" on it. Its spoilt already but I still have it around. My fav gun is the P90...a very unique machine gun with magnificent looking clip. By the time you changed the clip, you'll be shot dead |
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