True enough mate Nick. The Police IAD ( Internal Affair department) will close the book and will not prosecute the cop if the cop shot you because you draw and threat him first and as such he have right to preserve his life and carry his duty. As for matter containing, controlling, regulating the airsoft purchase, why don't we put it on our shoulder instead of letting the authorities do it. In other words,, instead of government provide funding for the card reader and installation of the chips, we put it in the price of every airsoft we purchase. Meaning, the price of airsoft we purchase will cover the chips installed in the toy and card reader that the distributing company will provide the authorities ( given the fact that card reader and achips are cheap)

This post has been edited by WarHawk: Oct 29 2008, 02:08 PM

setuju kawan.
for the course thing, saya rasa perlu. so those airsofter will be educate on the safety regulation. and for the course itself, it will be better if it runs by the police/armed forces personal who has the experience/qualification. this is because they have the experience in handling real stuff and they know what to do and what should not to do.
lagi 1, how about if getting a permit for those who wanted to be an airsoft operator? i think it is important bcause it will help tracing the owner if there's any misused along together whith the chip embedded in the airsoft gun and the serial number.
and bila nak conduct a skirmish, the marsyal should be at least 1/2 from the polce so they can observe if there's any dangerous act done by the operator.
tha's my opinion la. sorry for my broken english..
peace

I believe proper dicipline can be practise, much like paintballers. They do not go around wielding their markers or trying to paint the town red (literally). Hopefully, taking paintball into account, airsoft would soon be legalized.

My suggestions: Legalize airsoft but replicas are only to be used with at authorized playing fields. Punishments, fine etc could be given out to irresponsible parties found playing with replicas in open areas etc.

True enough, mate. My suggestion is to contribute back to the society. We have a lot of unemployed/ underpaid individual who had formerly serve the army/ police. We can give them this duty, as I see this job are more befitting their abilities instead of being a Pak Guard. They don't deserve to be treated like nobodies after they put their neck out for us. Yes, I seconded your opinion. All AEGs operator wannabe have to apply for license and to earn a license they will have to go for a course ( like how you apply for your driving license). On top of that, we will do like some state in US, where on every purchase of airsoft, they will be given along a T-shirt with a slogan "support our troop" and for every purchase of airsoft we made, maybe a certain amount of money we paid will be directly put inside the tabung of bekas anggota tentera/ polis.

Sincerely,
WARHAWK

Airsoft with license, my hands and legs up to agree this idea. But the penalty system can be more severe.

Hi guys ,i has noob question to ask .
Hope you always answer me with kind heart ,

FPS fpr LPEG ?
LPEG can upgraded to metal gear box ?

Peace
Michael

This post has been edited by MICHAEL NG: Oct 29 2008, 02:56 PM

Hi mate,
I'll entertain your question this one time. LPEG class airsoft packs around 180 - 270 FPS using 0.12g/ 0.2g BBs. Apparently finding a metal gearbox that can fit directly into LPEG will be almost impossible. You can try find a custom metal gear box but it's like looking for a snowball in the middle of desert. If you manage to find one, the price itself will cost you your leg. By the way, please do your homework and do a little logical thinking because sometimes the answer to your question can be as simple as logic.

sincerely,
WARHAWK

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Added on October 29, 2008, 3:15 pmYup mate. That's why we need to pass a bill in the parliament that airsoft are toys but the moment individual misused it it will be a firearm and thus, charged under firearm act.

sincerely,
WARHAWK

This post has been edited by WarHawk: Oct 29 2008, 03:15 PM

Legal issue of airsoft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_in_airsoft

[quote=nikolo98,Oct 29 2008, 01:20 PM]
Its good to see a lot of responsible enthusiasts in this forum. Kudos to all of you mates!

However, here's my take on control of these items. I think the whole chip thing is ridiculous. First of all, this is a toy (although it does fall into a grey zone of being just that), with that in mind, a toy will sell like a toy. If its legalized, I would assume prices would drop a fair bit from its current state and seeing as how active this market is as it stands currently, I dare say it will be a healthy market here in our beloved land.

Now if they sell like toys do, that means that there will be a vast market that becomes incredibly hard to control over time. Imagine the government putting chips in your toys from Hasbro....... that would mean the government would be fiscally hard-pressed to control it.

Once again, I'm not saying I have a better or more original idea but I think all we need to do is look to some countries that have them legalized like the US or Japan. If you understand their way of controlling these items, you'll realize that they will fit just nice into our public safety system. If you think only msian police are the only ones who practice shoot first, ask questions later, you are wrong. That's because ALL police officers are trained for life preseverance, namely their own life first. So if you pull out a gun (replica or not) and the officer deems you as hostile and decides you are a threat to his life, he WILL pop you first..... why do you think they practice so hard for a quick-draw?

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I do agree with your views on the police issue, where by they have the rights to defend their lives, this matter falls onto the public and the respective airsoft user to keep their weapons away from public places and from public eyes. What they do with the gun themselves, are their responsibility.

But as far as the chipping and serialing goes, the purpose of such a thing is to prevent the misuse of guns for illegal activities. For example, an airsoft owner is responsible for each and every weapon he buys, and is not allowed from transfering ownership. So lets say, if he lost his gun, and he doesnt report it, the gun could be picked up by a potential robber to be used in a robbery. If the police confiscate airsoft guns from criminals, they are able to track the gun back to its original owner, and maybe fine or punish the person for not taking care of their airsoft guns. Besides that, if a gun is overmodified beyond the pre-set power limit, again, the gun can be traced back to its original owner. Thus having a serial number/chip on the gun discourage airsoft owners from doing illegal things with their weapons, and encourages airsoft owners to be responsibile of the use of such weapons. We are not talking about Hasbro kids toys here. We're talking about adult toys that has the potential to inflict pain and cause damages. Thus it has to be regulated, and owner be encouraged to use it with respect and care.

Just like what the government is doing now with handphones. So that people wont just buy and use it for illegal purposes as now every mobile number has to be registered. If its lost, the original owner has the responsibility to report lost to prevent any liability upon himself.


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Hi mate,
Thanks mate Daijobou. Certainly you are right. with tracking device attached we could at least hamper if not prevent the possibility of misuse of airsoft. If airsoft owner fail to report the loss of his AEGs and his lost airsoft are used to commit atrocities, I was thinking that maybe we can pass an amendment in the parliamnet whereby the owner are charged under 2nd degree conspiracy in relation to the crime committed using his lost AEGs. Anybody's a lawyer here? we could use your opinion.

Sincerely,
WARHAWK

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Added on October 29, 2008, 5:21 pmWhat do you think of SOS?

This post has been edited by WarHawk: Oct 29 2008, 05:21 PM

Yup basically, people musn't see airsoft just as some other toy, but treat it with respect and responsibility like they would with their mobile number, mykad, and driver's license. Just as all of those items can be used for illegal activities, so does airsoft weapons. This creates a sense of needing to take proper care of the airsoft weapons, not just chuck it around like any toy la. And like those items, when an airsoft weapon is lost, it has to be reported at police stations.

Btw bro warhawk, what is SOS?

lets put it this way, the law in malaysia have failed to control the people. question has to be why other country have succeeded bringing in airsoft with the exception of having an orange tip as a mark for airsoft toys?while we malaysians(the law enforcer), couldnt find an alternative to surmount any complications that airsoft bring upon. instead they would rather be aggresive and stand to their shoot first, talk later.

Hi mate,
Please do not prejudge our law enforcer. The duty of protecting the peace and order does not fall on their shoulder alone; we too have to share the burden. It is unjust to point finger and say they failed to control us the people when we, at the first place should have been able to control and behave maturely. Unless we have been on the line of dutyas they are, knowing the different between death and life is actually thinner than a hair's width, we reserve no right to say they have fail. It always come to us, the citizen. We fail to maturely decide what is right and what is wrong. We first have to convince them that we are mature and disciplined in handling ourselves so people up there can recognize, thus giving their confidence toward us.

I always think tat I am innocent and looks innocent too...
but so far, afte living for around 35years.. I somehow kena..

1. Stopped by police and body searched.. really have to kangkang and they raba you.. lucky didn't molest me.. ( 2x, 1 in Penang (broad daylight) 1 in KL at Jln Tun Razak or Raja Chulan...at 2am)
2. Stopped by CID, took my passport and put me in room and kena urine test.. this one in Singapore...

If I kena the #1 while having asop in my car... I think I will not be able to write here already...

Well.. do I really look that bad meh???

But deep down in me is, I am a very innocent...

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Added on October 29, 2008, 9:46 pmhmm.. like daijobu says.. RFID tracking.. I have idea but maybe a bit lame..

1. All airsoft have RFID chip.. with 1 data segment to show that this is airsoft. The rest of the data segment is owner details.. etc
2. All banks have reader/scanner installed at entrance...
3. In the even of an airsoft equipment is brought in through the entrance, reader/scanner will read and produce stage 1 alarm so the guard no need to panic.. and at the same time will record the details of the data sensed and this can be used to track the owner..

4... after typing all the above... I somehow feel its a bit stupid idea for the item 3... so how to continue??

This post has been edited by mikoblackcat: Oct 29 2008, 09:46 PM

a chip with our identification ID much like our IC?

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Added on October 29, 2008, 9:46 pmhmm.. like daijobu says.. RFID tracking.. I have idea but maybe a bit lame..

1. All airsoft have RFID chip.. with 1 data segment to show that this is airsoft. The rest of the data segment is owner details.. etc
2. All banks have reader/scanner installed at entrance...
3. In the even of an airsoft equipment is brought in through the entrance, reader/scanner will read and produce stage 1 alarm so the guard no need to panic.. and at the same time will record the details of the data sensed and this can be used to track the owner..

4... after typing all the above... I somehow feel its a bit stupid idea for the item 3... so how to continue??

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Hi fren, seem we are not allow airsofter bringing the stuff around here and there, although you are not showing-off or keep in side the case/bag, no 3 is impossible. They will create public panic when you enter the bank or som where with entrance sensor detected you having asop with you. The bank guard will thought you want to rob with asop. Better keep the thing at home, unless you are on the way to airsoft field. PEACE

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Added on October 29, 2008, 9:46 pmhmm.. like daijobu says.. RFID tracking.. I have idea but maybe a bit lame..

1. All airsoft have RFID chip.. with 1 data segment to show that this is airsoft. The rest of the data segment is owner details.. etc
2. All banks have reader/scanner installed at entrance...
3. In the even of an airsoft equipment is brought in through the entrance, reader/scanner will read and produce stage 1 alarm so the guard no need to panic.. and at the same time will record the details of the data sensed and this can be used to track the owner..

4... after typing all the above... I somehow feel its a bit stupid idea for the item 3... so how to continue??

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Hi fren, seem we are not allow airsofter bringing the stuff around here and there, although you are not showing-off or keep in side the case/bag, no 3 is impossible. They will create public panic when you enter the bank or som where with entrance sensor detected you having asop with you. The bank guard will thought you want to rob with asop. Better keep the thing at home, unless you are on the way to airsoft field. PEACE

This post has been edited by redevils24: Oct 30 2008, 08:36 AM

Hi there..

I guess you misunderstood my statement there..

3. In the event of an airsoft equipment is brought in through the entrance, reader/scanner will read and produce stage 1 alarm so the guard no need to panic.. and at the same time will record the details of the data sensed and this can be used to track the owner..


Of course we asop people knows the value and purpose of this item in this hobby.. what I am saying is, if the item falls to a wrong person, the consequences of the above may take place thus the reader will capture it...

Got it bro.

Straight forward:

Show it to public/play in public areas = firearm

Skirmishes in monitored closed area = airsoft

how to verify status/ownership? = chipset

How to obtain membership in that authorized skirmish area? = permit or license.

Lol. No offence to anyone when I say this so please don't mind me. I think we're taking this whole idea of controlling the items to absolute critical degree.

Here's my two cents about "robbers" using airsoft to rob say...... banks.

You have to be that stupid of a robber to take your asop and try to rob the bank in broad daylight because your gun will never stand up to a real gun carried by the responding police team. You can threaten all you want with the hostages but when the police find out that they are toys.... let's just say you're screwed. (Notice bank robbers these days prefer to rob banks at night?? much less complications because there isn't anyone to deal with.....)

You have to understand that robbing a bank or a jewelry store isn't something simple as brandishing weapons and walking into the joint. It also involves logistics in getting out fast enough (so you don't get caught), dispersing/laundering the money/jewelry and remove traceability (so you don't get caught) and etc (so you don't get caught). The robbers that get away these days are truly the ingenious ones! Like that one time the maybank kena rob via the underground tunnel dug into the vault.

Now if you think deeper, crimes that involve a substantial amount of money are masterminded by organized crime rings and these folks have real weapons. Why'd they want asop? Keep operating costs down?

So with those out of the way, asop can be misused by the smaller clowns for muggings and stuff. But if that's the case, why would they resort to asop guns (which cost considerably more than your steering lock/crowbar/steel pipe/knife)? To mug someone you don't point a gun at them and yell "GIMME ALL YOUR MONEY!" from afar. Instead you need to sneak up behind them, catch them off-guard and mug them. In this case, a gun is overkill for the job even if its asop. A little pen-knife (which is WAY EASIER to conceal) is more than enough to scare the daylights out of the victim.

How about the joe that tries to rob a restaurant/7-11 with asop? They all have CCTVs and that's how the police get their faces and nail them in the end. So regardless of what they use, if they intended to rob a place, any countertop item can be used as a life threatening weapon. Even your kitchen knife is intimidating enough compared to asop. Now here's an interesting scenario for you to ponder about... let's say 7-11 gets robbed by an asop brandisher, and for some reason, the fella behind the counter thinks "I'm not afraid to fight back".... what do you think will happen the moment the 7-11 employee finds out that its an asop? the robber better run for his life coz he's got a really pissed employee about to take the robber's head off with the cash register.

One last thought. Detroit in Michigan is one of the world's cities with the HIGHEST crimerates. Crimes committed using asop is practically unheard of. Why is that so?

Bro warhawk, I agree with you that for our society to remain safe it is better to bear some of that burden on our own shoulders and not only rely solely on the authorities. I think that your suggestion for the enthusiasts to bear some of that financial burden of installing chips and stuff is admirable but let me put it this way, if there is a way that works well without the need to incur extra costs, wouldn't that be better?

As for guys who pack their "heat" around when going for games. Once this is legalized, it is not to be assumed that all police officers will be aware of the existence of these toys. So in the event you get pulled over, do the smart thing. Keep your hands on the wheel, stay in the car and don't make sudden movements. When the officer talks to you, declare to him "Tuan, saya ada replika mainan dalam boot. Tuan bolehla periksa tetapi mainan ini adalah sah di sisi undang2". Telling him rather than letting him find it himself can induce two different reactions. If the officer tells you to get out and frisks you, you let him do so. Remember you're not committing a crime so don't act like you are. Once he's satisfied, you might even make friends with him (if he's from the area you're from).


Lolz, sorry for writing so much. I hope I didn't bore anyone