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post Apr 8 2010, 02:18 PM

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Yes RM0.10 everytime /one seesion of using AGPS.

On the accuracy of tracklogs once switching on AGPS, well I can't confirm this but lotsa people who contribute tracklogs to the GPS communities did experience worst than ever tracklogs result wth AGPS on. The tracklogs got better wth AGPS switched off although acquiring will be slower but tracklogs cantik.. smile.gif

QUOTE(NewbieHero @ Apr 8 2010, 01:38 PM)
yeah.. please dont simply say AGPS will make the accuracy worse = =
but i heard rm0.10 will be charged everytime u use garmin for AGPS? is it true?
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post Apr 8 2010, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Apr 8 2010, 02:18 PM)
Yes RM0.10 everytime /one seesion of using AGPS.

On the accuracy of tracklogs once switching on AGPS, well I can't confirm this but lotsa people who contribute tracklogs to the GPS communities did experience worst than ever tracklogs result wth AGPS on. The tracklogs got better wth AGPS switched off although acquiring will be slower but tracklogs cantik..  smile.gif
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It does not make any sense to me. ALL AGPS does is to tell the GPS receiver WHERE in the sky to look for the satellites. As to whether the GPS receiver can accurately acquire satellite signal or not has nothing to do with AGPS.

the last time I checked, the data transfer involved in AGPS was about 5KB. Maxis postpaid charges 1 sen/kb so it's 5 sen/AGPS data transfer.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Apr 8 2010, 02:43 PM)
It does not make any sense to me. ALL AGPS does is to tell the GPS receiver WHERE in the sky to look for the satellites. As to whether the GPS receiver can accurately acquire satellite signal or not has nothing to do with AGPS.

the last time I checked, the data transfer involved in AGPS was about 5KB. Maxis postpaid charges 1 sen/kb so it's 5 sen/AGPS data transfer.
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You are totally right mate.
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post Apr 8 2010, 03:24 PM

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Got 3 questions.
1. How do you back up all those favorite landmark you created in your phone?
2. I do not seem to be able to "selectively" delete some of my maps. For example, I have Beijing and Malaysia maps on Nokia Maps. To delete off Beijing, I must also deleted off the Malaysia's. And then reinstall Malaysia map.
3. And when you do have to delete off all the maps, what about your favorite landmarks? Do they get deleted off as well?

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post Apr 8 2010, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Apr 8 2010, 12:28 PM)
I don't think it make it better or worst. AGPS only makes it easier to pick up the satellite signal and after that, other factors (not AGPS) affecting accuracy comes into play. Signal reflected from surrounding building etc and others I don't know about.
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QUOTE(NewbieHero @ Apr 8 2010, 01:38 PM)
yeah.. please dont simply say AGPS will make the accuracy worse = =
but i heard rm0.10 will be charged everytime u use garmin for AGPS? is it true?
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 8 2010, 02:52 PM)
You are totally right mate.
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lol

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Well it's up to you to believe or not but if you know me in malfreemaps, I did lotsa trackings well almost weekly and has been testinmg tracklogs wth AGPS on & Off just to see the accuracy.

I don't want to belive as theroically AGPS only assist to acquire on the begining stage. thereafter only the inbuilt GPSr taking control of the work..Well from my numerous tracklogs submitted both wth AGPS & without, I alway cursed at the quality when my AGPS is on! Most probably it's not due to the AGPS but I suspect by switching on xtra function, xtra burden on the resources, thus the lousy quality of the tracklogs. Another problem is the more application u switch on during tracking, sometime the whole phone itself will get hang! (For eg. U switch on the tracking function of Garmin MXT, thereafter Race Chrono & Velox...It sometime hang! ^ thus the quality of the tracklogs also affected. Therefore during real tracking, I always ensure AGPS is Off, so do the Garmin tracking function bcos this will hang whole phone after >3hrs of tracking.

On the charges of GPRS/3G, very depending on operator. DIGI is charging RM0.10 for sure. My bill of daily RM0.10 can't be wrong. Maxis...suprising charging 1/2 rate although advertised at 1sen/kb...All my Maxis 3G usage charge 0.5sen/kb instead of Digi 1sen/kb.

QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Apr 8 2010, 02:43 PM)
It does not make any sense to me. ALL AGPS does is to tell the GPS receiver WHERE in the sky to look for the satellites. As to whether the GPS receiver can accurately acquire satellite signal or not has nothing to do with AGPS.

the last time I checked, the data transfer involved in AGPS was about 5KB. Maxis postpaid charges 1 sen/kb so it's 5 sen/AGPS data transfer.
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post Apr 8 2010, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Apr 8 2010, 04:09 PM)
Well it's up to you to believe or not but if you know me in malfreemaps, I did lotsa trackings well almost weekly and has been testinmg tracklogs wth AGPS on & Off just to see the accuracy.

I don't want to belive as theroically AGPS only assist to acquire on the begining stage. thereafter only the inbuilt GPSr taking control of the work..Well from my numerous tracklogs submitted both wth AGPS & without, I alway cursed at the quality when my AGPS is on! Most probably it's not due to the AGPS but I suspect by switching on xtra function, xtra burden on the resources, thus the lousy quality of the tracklogs. Another problem is the more application u switch on during tracking, sometime the whole phone itself will get hang! (For eg. U switch on the tracking function of Garmin MXT, thereafter Race Chrono & Velox...It sometime hang! ^ thus the quality of the tracklogs also affected. Therefore during real tracking, I always ensure AGPS is Off, so do the Garmin tracking function bcos this will hang whole phone after >3hrs of tracking.
This is indeed very interesting. I do find that, sometimes, the reading can be off by 50 meters instead of the quoted 10 meters. May be I will do what you are doing and see how it goes........with and without AGPS. Thanks for sharing.

As for tracking. Can the built in Nokia Maps allow us to track where we went, I meant, the route we took and later on show it on the pc? If yes, can you pls tell me how?


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post Apr 8 2010, 04:53 PM

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hi all,
im using garmin on my e71 and using it al ot cos i travel daily to many site. can you all share the best setting for garmin. eg: route setting

other thing previous post said agps can make gps accuracy more worse?..so how to lock faster without agps because everyday i need to go at least 4-5 site and if not turn off my garmin it will lock faster but it will make noise sound like lost satellite reception..recalculation..malu la when meet client they heard that..hehehe..
or should i buy stand alone gps device?
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QUOTE(stimix @ Apr 8 2010, 04:09 PM)
Well it's up to you to believe or not but if you know me in malfreemaps, I did lotsa trackings well almost weekly and has been testinmg tracklogs wth AGPS on & Off just to see the accuracy.

I don't want to belive as theroically AGPS only assist to acquire on the begining stage. thereafter only the inbuilt GPSr taking control of the work..Well from my numerous tracklogs submitted both wth AGPS & without, I alway cursed at the quality when my AGPS is on! Most probably it's not due to the AGPS but I suspect by switching on xtra function, xtra burden on the resources, thus the lousy quality of the tracklogs. Another problem is the more application u switch on during tracking, sometime the whole phone itself will get hang! (For eg. U switch on the tracking function of Garmin MXT, thereafter Race Chrono & Velox...It sometime hang! ^ thus the quality of the tracklogs also affected. Therefore during real tracking, I always ensure AGPS is Off, so do the Garmin tracking function bcos this will hang whole phone after >3hrs of tracking.

On the charges of GPRS/3G, very depending on operator. DIGI is charging RM0.10 for sure. My bill of daily RM0.10 can't be wrong. Maxis...suprising charging 1/2 rate although advertised at 1sen/kb...All my Maxis 3G usage charge 0.5sen/kb instead of Digi 1sen/kb.
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dun feed them information la, they oredi denied so let them live stupidly can liao.
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Ovimaps is lousy-lah although the GUI interface & fast recalculation but lotsa routinng errors & also lack of POIs compare to Garmin MXT running on malfreemaps. Also I don't think any recording function provided. I can't find any in their menu option.

For simple recording, you can choose to switch on your Garmin MXT recording function by : tools>manage My data>tracks>options>Recording mode > switch on, recording interval=most often & Show active track on maps =Enable.

During recording, u can actually see the tracklogs itself. To playback on PC either using Mapsource or google earth, goto Tools>Manage My data>Manage>Export GPX.

Thereafter your need an application called Mapsource from Garmin to receive the tracklogs the result should be something like this:

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Apr 8 2010, 04:17 PM)
This is indeed very interesting. I do find that, sometimes, the reading can be off by 50 meters instead of the quoted 10 meters. May be I will do what you are doing and see how it goes........with and without AGPS. Thanks for sharing.

As for tracking. Can the built in Nokia Maps allow us to track where we went, I meant, the route we took and later on show it on the pc? If yes, can you pls tell me how?
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Let me feed u 1 more bit of information that you dont know .....

XTRA is only for windows mobile running on qualcomm chipsets.
it is NOT for symbian. X-tra's data is from qualcomm servers.

your transmission of AGPS is not to qualcomm servers unlike windows mobile based. your transmission is from your mobile to your serbis provider and off to NAVTEQ Region servers. this is for all nokia phones with gps capabilities.

it shows how much tech knowledge u have ....which there is absolutely none. and here u are telling me about the accuracy of agps.

lol. wadda bunch of noobs


Added on April 8, 2010, 5:18 pm@miks - u can stop feeding them information ..... seriously. get some lulz outta em la.

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Sharing only still lotsa ppl here dunno mah...sharing is caring.. icon_rolleyes.gif ...By the way your 'lol" above kena report liao..haha..anyway me not a moderator here so you on the mercy of moderators here liao biggrin.gif

BTW optiplex... for better and accurate tracklogs recording you can follow this step here using Nokia sport tracker: http://www.malfreemaps.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1230

I don;t use this..I used Race Chrono & Velox...easier for me.. blush.gif

QUOTE(Mr.Wokayyy @ Apr 8 2010, 05:12 PM)
dun feed them information la, they oredi denied so let them live stupidly can liao.
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Added on April 8, 2010, 5:29 pm
For normal usage, you can switch on AGPS lah faster getting signal..me too switch on during navigation. I off it only during track recording for the pupose of contributing to malfreemasp. biggrin.gif .

Route setting really depending on what you want..If you want faster route, you can choose faster route but if you want shorter route you can choose shorter way but be prepared to enter those funny kampungs or unpaved road..the setting you can choose by:

Tools>Settings>Routing>Route preferences
Also under Avoidance setup pls untick others except tick the "unpaved road"

QUOTE(xinanxxx @ Apr 8 2010, 04:53 PM)
hi all,
im using garmin on my e71 and using it al ot cos i travel daily to many site. can you all share the best setting for garmin. eg: route setting

other thing previous post said agps can make gps accuracy more worse?..so how to lock faster without agps because everyday i need to go at least 4-5 site and if not turn off my garmin it will lock faster but it will make noise sound like lost satellite reception..recalculation..malu la when meet client they heard that..hehehe..
or should i buy stand alone gps device?
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thanks for the reply..i will try the setting..which one you always use shortest or fastest route??what the different?

and one more thing i always kena like this

user posted image

pic taken from mapking pc version

i want to go from point A to point B instead of using straight road (red color) it will direct me to use jalan bawah (orange color). if i familiar with that road i will totally ignore it..just go straight but if not familiar then stuck at traffic light..waste my precious time already. if i gamble ignore..then rupanya kene turn..aisyeh..

hope u all understand what im trying to say..
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I no longer using Mapking, so I'm not sure whether it's software limitation or malsingmaps error.

You can try using fastest option & flag avoiding smallest road in you mapking setup (if available) & try 1st

If not OK, just report to malsingmaps as the maps is compiled by them.
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no..the problem only occurs when using garmin mobile on my e71..just show example using mapking map..

edit - i want to go from point A to point B instead of using straight road (red color) it will direct me to use jalan bawah (pink/peach color).
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QUOTE(Mr.Wokayyy @ Apr 8 2010, 05:17 PM)
Let me feed u 1 more bit of information that you dont know .....

XTRA is only for windows mobile running on qualcomm chipsets.
it is NOT for symbian. X-tra's data is from qualcomm servers.

your transmission of AGPS is not to qualcomm servers unlike windows mobile based. your transmission is from your mobile to your serbis provider and off to NAVTEQ Region servers. this is for all nokia phones with gps capabilities.

it shows how much tech knowledge u have ....which there is absolutely none. and here u are telling me about the accuracy of agps.

lol. wadda bunch of noobs


Added on April 8, 2010, 5:18 pm@miks - u can stop feeding them information ..... seriously. get some lulz outta em la.
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its meant for discussion. why are u using words to address people? if u arent happy u can go flame somewhere else.
if not noob then come here for what? why are u even here if u know so much stuffs? pro then go sell gps
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QUOTE(NewbieHero @ Apr 8 2010, 11:00 PM)
its meant for discussion. why are u using words to address people? if u arent happy u can go flame somewhere else.
if not noob then come here for what? why are u even here if u know so much stuffs? pro then go sell gps
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Some people has different of upbringing compared to us. Or may be he just had an heated argument with his misses or just having a bad day in the office. So many possibilities. So just ignore him and forgive him lah. No harm done anyway. Peace.
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Report the error to malfremaps here:

http://www.malfreemaps.com/viewtopic.php?f...=6492&start=230

Sometime you just can't deny there are routing error in the map smile.gif ..thus feedback to mapper using the sample on how others report in the above link.

QUOTE(xinanxxx @ Apr 8 2010, 10:13 PM)
no..the problem only occurs when using garmin mobile on my e71..just show example using mapking map..

edit - i want to go from point A to point B instead of using straight road (red color) it will direct me to use jalan bawah (pink/peach color).
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QUOTE(NewbieHero @ Apr 8 2010, 01:38 PM)
yeah.. please dont simply say AGPS will make the accuracy worse = =
but i heard rm0.10 will be charged everytime u use garmin for AGPS? is it true?
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QUOTE(NewbieHero @ Apr 8 2010, 11:00 PM)
its meant for discussion. why are u using words to address people? if u arent happy u can go flame somewhere else.
if not noob then come here for what? why are u even here if u know so much stuffs? pro then go sell gps
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lolwut. who started what first ? i like to flame you coz u are just so full of lulz.
not noob come here to teach u but u dowan to learn and scold me summore. sweat.gif

pro's dont sell gps. pro's make gps.

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QUOTE(NewbieHero @ Apr 8 2010, 01:38 PM)
yeah.. please dont simply say AGPS will make the accuracy worse = =
but i heard rm0.10 will be charged everytime u use garmin for AGPS? is it true?
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please dont simply say AGPS will not make accuracy worse =.=|



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