<S>Some of you guys never learn, maybe i should beat you up to teach you a lesson, not to the extent of causing bodily harm, but enough to let you know that leaving a DotA game is never good no matter what your reasons are, Noob.</S>

slow day at the office, so did a research on inciting violence through video games and found this thread. I hope i got the big D and big A in dota correct, don't want to be taught a lesson..

Live and let live

I surely hope that one of these days that you people who disagree with leavers getting beaten up, gets robbed and mugged and be cool about it.

this thread is getting very stupid already
1by1 come in and post crappy things

do need the host of this thread to close it or require admin power?
predator where are you

Why do you think so? Because I disagree with you that not all leavers are bad? So you want everyone to except the fact that all leavers as bad as the Gospel truth? Everyone knows that violence is bad. In fact, from post #1, people already know it. Just that some Dotards or Retards try and justify it by saying that they will turn a blind eye on people using violence on people who breaks Dota Rules. To say that there is a reason as to why people get beaten up as leaving is considered as an insult to people is just plain nonsensical. In that case, if i knock into your car, are you justified to beat me up just because you are upset? This really shows the mentality of those so called dotards or retards trying to justify indirectly the usage of violence. A person who breaks Dota Rules do not deserve violence just as much as a person who do not break it. Get this into your head. I think the fun has just begin. It is normal for retards who do not know Dota to come and flame us. But if the administrator or TS thinks that this thread should be closed, then they have the right to do so.

i agree with you 101% on this.

Actually ur phrases there can be irritated for some ppl (well not for me at least )...it's really depends on the imagination of the ppl who play with u....But for some pathetic guy there are no use trying to reason with them...Personally I'll just ignore them or maybe type 'watever' as a reply to them.....I even being scold suddenly by my teammates just because he can't earn on the same lane with me.....asking me to stop keep on last touch every single creeps....then not more than 10min afterward he left the game.....

And about the feeling good about thrashing the no skill opponent....This can be good sometimes IF u'r playing with a bunch of friend .....if I'm playing alone, I'll straight ask my teammates to just finish off the game fast....so it really depends actually on each individuals.....back the to issue on fighting over dota...well that's surely not a good thing to be happen actually BUT as i say earlier, IF u join a game then u have the responsibility to finish off the game because u never know wat kind of ppl are u playing with....IF not then dun blame who's fault is it .....

i lazy to reply u d,cause i dunno which part of my post says ALL LEAVERS IS BAD
but somehow you managed to read that i mentioned all leavers are bad...i also dunno how
oh well,from past few post you have your pts..and i have mine,ill respect your decision
and when i mentioned crappy things...
i meant those ppl that come in and post 1to2 lines of irrelavent things and dissapear
but then u also terasa... i nth to say d
u win~~~

u should rephrase your setence to...because i disagree with u that certain type leavers branded by me are not bad
dont say all...can lead to misunderstanding
i really lazy to reply jor....u win lar,considered myself out of the debate

This post has been edited by Quick`: Sep 10 2008, 04:12 PM

bye bye. I also dun have time to point out which posts that you posts state that you say that all leavers are bad. And I am sure that you also know which kind of leavers i am referring to.

Good luck in being a true DOTA PLAYER. You have my support

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Added on September 10, 2008, 4:21 pmYour last statement also shows how irresponsible you are. If that person can beat you because you leave a game, that same person will beat another person up in the future. His mental state is messed up and he should be locked up forever and not be allowed out. This same person will also beat up another guy if that guy knock into his car accidently or even if that guy keep on horning him this guy will have the risk of getting hurt. If you see such a person in cc, you should call the police immediately and try to get a few others to stop the fight. If you condone this you are as bad as the person who fights.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 10 2008, 04:51 PM

well guess wat......I'm irresponsible??U gotta be kidding thou....It was that leaver who at the 1st place cause all the trouble....If he continue on playing or leave in a more proper manner, will u think all this thing will happen??And now u r saying me irresponsible??Well...'watever'...

likewise.

No matter how he leaves, there is no reason at all to BEAT him up. The CC owners have to stop those idiots who fight. Even if those ppl dun fight today they will fight tomorrow if someone knocks their car. Those people are dangerous and should not be allowed to roam in public. Understand?Please dun justify fights because of leaving anymore.

Man, I've played dota since 5.84 and I've never experienced anything like your case. Don't call me a stereotype, but it's common sense for people to think that if so many people is against that someone, there is something wrong with that someone.



Yes you're correct. There is no reason at all to BEAT someone up, but it's acceptable for a leaver to be punished. It's just that some irresponsible and light-headed guys prefer to use physical violence as the form of punishment. I don't think a leaver should get beaten up, but he must be punished for leaving the game. It's the one of unwritten rules in the game of dota, and it's simply unethical.

p/s (off-topic): There IS a difference of the sequences in casting spells. You can find a thread about this in any dota forums. In your case, your teammate wants to you cast doom first because doom prevents the hero from using any skill/item, hence preventing any form of counter attack/escape. Since you mentioned that it's your experience, one should always learn from experiences. You should've listened to your teammate.

This post has been edited by demonicangel: Sep 11 2008, 12:26 AM

I doom him and after that level him right away. Is there a difference? As a dota player, I am sure you know what I am talking about. Perhaps you already have this mentality that just because someone got scolded, he is in the wrong. As a fellow dota player you should also know clearly what i am talking about when i said that i death and then doom him straight away in sequence. I dun think it really makes a difference if you do it concurrently. If I have no mana, I would definately choose to doom him right away because I am normally a team player. To me who gets the kill makes no difference as long as the kill is made. I think you are the only one here who is questioning my tactic and this shows the maturity level you are at if you are an experience dota player. I think any experience player who read my posts would know straight away what i am talking about unless you are already biased towards me. It is not a matter of whether i should listen to my team mate or not. I really do not know what world you are in. Dota is a game that is real time. How long have you not been playing Dota? Your team mates do not tell you what to do because they expect you to know what to do. If a team mate told me earlier what to do, I would do it even if i disagree with him if it is logical because i do not want to spoil the entire game.

There are a lot of posts about Sohai here who cause trouble and there are people who advocate violence against them . What do you classify a sohai. A sohai is someone who makes trouble out of nothing. He makes trouble because he feels irritated. You said that it is common sense that so many people would be against that someone if there is something wrong with that person. Well let me tell you something. What if they are a group of friends. This idiot Sohai Gondar scolded me for nothing. So now i go and tell the others that I am not a noob after I killed one of the opponent. I am just defending myself. As someone pointed out just now, just that statement could have cause people there to think i am a sohai. I may be very harsh in what I say in forums, but can you seriously tell me that I am a Sohai based on the posts that I have posted? I am very sorry that you never met this kind of people before. I have never met this kind of people also even when I was a noob. This is the first time that I meet this kind of people.

As I have said earlier and I said again, Those people who uses violence, they will use violence as long as if they got irritated. I do not want to quote those examples again. As someone pointed earlier, that person who wanted to fight with me may have a hard day at work and he may have got slightly irritated by the things that I have said. So now he thinks he got the upper hand and keeps on insulting me. When I insulted him back, he could not take it and then wants to fight with me. I am sure you heard that youngsters once they have the upper hand, they will think they can insult you in anyway possible. If you have not heard about cases whereby ppl get killed over a dollar note, then i guess you must be the most ill informed person in the world. There are people who have mental issues and their sickness could be triggered that night. The only thing you can do is to prevent yourself from getting hurt which was what i did that night.

You said that people who leave deserve to get punished. It would depend on what reason they leave. If they leave because they are trouble makers then it is enough to go to them and tell them not to do it again in front of everyone which is very embarasing. If they leave because they are losing badly, then please also have the understanding that they are humans and you may curse them secretly but please do not go and make trouble for them. If you do that you are also a sohai and if that could be valid reason for them to beat you up the next time they bring their friends along and happen to see you. You like to talk about the rules of dota so much but you forgotten that dota is supposed to be a game that is being enjoyed by 10 players. I already given an example of why a noob has already destroyed the game since the start. Really, the reason why you go to cc in the first place is to enjoy yourself and not let small irritation affect you.

A person who is mature in his thought would not have said the things which you said that a person who leaves deserve punishment. There is so many other things that deserve your attention. Why must you go and get pissed over a meaningless game whereby the conclusion has already been decided.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 11 2008, 10:57 AM

if mean u knock his car accidental ,then you shouldent be beaten
but if u knock his car on purpose.
he is not justify to beat you
it is unlawful for him to beat u
but if he really come beat u.
i maybe will help you
but i wont pity u
and say u dai sei

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Added on September 11, 2008, 11:43 amif u have this people in your game
consider urself unlucky but
tat does not justify you to leave the game too.
even the game is hopeless.
you are not justify to leave too.

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Added on September 11, 2008, 11:59 amreally how many leavers leave a game cos they have a valid reason?
u pay to play,yes
but cant leave a dota game as you like just becos u pay.
other 9 ppl also pay k

even the cc dint not say (serious gamers oni)
but you cant leave ask you like.

my point is :
you cant leave as you like ,so what you pay.other 9 ppl also pays






This post has been edited by simonyw_87: Sep 11 2008, 11:59 AM

Meaningless game?? well that's for u....but for us real serious gamer.....it means a lot to us....it kinda hard for u to understand it though.....well watever....

There a good example for u.....if those leaver didnt cause the trouble at the 1st place, all this thing wouldn't happen....

This post has been edited by GrandElf: Sep 11 2008, 01:20 PM

I have to agree with u. It's funny when someone argues so hard on something they regard as 'meaningless'. Funny things happen when people post in the forums just for the sake of posting.

Well, then I guess in your eyes, Dota is your life. When someone irritates you or break the rules in Dota, that person is justified to beat up another person. You compare a person who leave the game with a person who actually purposely knocks into another person's car? I am just trying to let you guys know that this guy who beats a leaver because he gets irritated will do the same thing if someone knocks his car accidently. I guess Dota has eaten so much into a person's head that they cannot think with any sense anymore. You really never get the meaning of my posts do you when i am trying to highlight that a person who beats another person up over leaving is actually a monster.

I have already highlighted the effects of noobs in a game and i dun want to do so again.

Justify to leave as in because of the rules of Dota. If you like to waste your time and play for a lost cause then please do. In fact Dota should change the rules to allow people to concede defeat if the other person can prove that there is no chance of winning or there are noobs who is affecting the game. Mayby you should follow this and be more gracious when someone concedes defeat if he has a reasonable reason.

And to GrandElf, to me a good gamer is a gamer with the right skill set regardless of whether he follows the rules or not. If you follow all the rules and you dun have the skills you are still a noob in my eyes. I will not look upon highly on you just because you follow the rules.

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Added on September 11, 2008, 3:20 pmI bet you fail to see the significance of what i am saying then. Pity you

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 11 2008, 03:20 PM

Well well well......wat a joke from ur statement there....It's like u learn how to run 1st before even know how to walk.....errmm.....come on syllar111, rules are there to follow regardless of how skillful u r.....Just like in school, wat did ur teacher tell u when u 1st day come to school??FOLLOW THE RULES
can u go on breaking the rules without getting punish even though u r the top student??Tell me then....
(probably u will come in n saying 'hey that's 2 different thing ok')

but still dota has its own rules to be follow whether u like it or not......

I stopped visting this thread since page 5 i guees :] LOL ...

Guess is time to end it

I'd say we'll solve this at padang ^