Why not. Give me your contacts so that I can find you ok.

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Added on September 12, 2008, 12:05 amMy teacher did not tell me to follow the rules when i first came to school. I remember when I went to school, the first thing i remembered was ABC because i cannot understand the rules before knowing how to read so in order to teach me the rules the teacher has to teach me how to read first.

Yes you can. You can break the rules of your school, of your work place of anywhere if you can show to your boss or the school administrator that the company or the school will shut down without you. I believe that if you are the top student in your school, the only thing that the school admin do is scold you if you break the rules. I have never heard of a school who expels top student. Is your school one of them?

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 12 2008, 12:16 AM

just wanna tell u
'winners never quits, and quitters never wins"

and even if u concede defeat in dota. YOU STILL DONT LEAVE !

This thread belongs to Kopitiam.

i respect a noob players that stays in a game even he is pawn like mad ,
more then a so call pro that leave the game when he have noob teammate.

u are like those people that cant accept defeat and instead of facing it u choose to avoid it.
u are saying like u should oni cont play when u are with a team of pro and when u 100% sure u will win.


then y dont u quit too when u are 100% sure u gonna win?
ur teammate are all pros then get all the kill and u are juz n extra?
there is also no point continue with the game cos u are sure of winning?

why dont u do that?

LoL simonyw you're so right. Sometimes there are people who just don't understand what is 'ethical gaming'. When someone beats someone up, the person who's using physical violence is wrong, but that doesn't mean the person who gets beaten up is right either. Of course most people wants to win a game, but gaming is not about winning or losing. If it's only about winning and losing, then there will be no dota or any games other than 'rock, paper, scissors'. Whenever I'm losing a game in dota, I'll try my best to defend for as long as I possibly can. Of course I know my team has very little chance of winning, but some people don't understand the feeling of defending and keep defending until you finally lost the tree/throne and take honor for what you've done, that's defending to the last. The title 'Defense of the Ancients' was changed from many previous names to its current form, and it's used until today because of the meaning. You don't just jump into any game and say 'it's just a game'. That's such a pointless and obvious statement. Who doesn't know it's a game? Everyone knows. However if you jump into such conclusion, it's taken as a disrespect to the game and sometimes, to the extent of an insult to the fans of the game. Sometimes when I go to mamak stalls to catch a football game, I expect to watch it until the game is over, otherwise if I know I am too tired to watch it and unable to watch to the end, I wouldn't go in the first place. When some people see their team lost 3-0 at 70-ish minutes, and leave, I view those people in disgust. Those kind of people can change their idol team every now and then, because they only support who's winning. No sportsmanship at all, and they don't deserve to worship any teams. One season they may support Man Utd, and when Chelsea won the league, they support Chelsea in the next season. What a bunch of losers.

Are you sure about that quote over there? Gary Kasparov quits after conceding to deep blue. He is not a winner? Quitter never wins. I seen many familiar names who quites twice but won 6-7 times on average.

If i concede defeat i dun leave? Then why do i concede defeat in the first place.

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Added on September 14, 2008, 3:02 pmReasons as to why I quit has been given earlier. I just want to play a game with people with some brains not those without it. Some people just cannot play Dota just because they just do not have the logical thinking to do so. There is no way you can get any kills with those people in it. I play on even if i know i am going to lose if those people are competent enough unless 2 barracks has already been destroyed and that is the time you know you will surely lose unless your herores are all late game. But at least you still have the fun of getting the rare kills which is satisfying given that you have lost the game.

I played yesterday night and I remembered that our team was owning the other team. One of the person from the other team quit. Instead of saying the usual f*** word that i am sure you guys say all the time regardless of whether the game is meaningless or not, I just ask the other team whether they are crying or not. I joked around with them and later another guy quit. No one in our team made a fuss and my team mate just leave the game after that. And we joined another game.There was no temper at all being thrown around. We were happy and jovial after that "win" instead of some of you here who always f*** here and f*** there even though you have "won" the game.

Dota is a team game when you play with pros.Just one noob and the entire team loses. You understand that right?

In that case i bet with you 80% of the time you will never be happy because 80% of the time, ppl leave pro or not when they see the game as hopeless. Unless the players they played with is competent. You want to talk ethics with me. Then I guess you will never ever be happy because rich people do not follow ethics and that is why they pay less taxes and you guys just complain or why is this guy earning 100 times more then me but paying less taxes.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 14 2008, 03:02 PM

Wow,this thread is still here.

And its still going strong by the looks of it...

Its amazing that Fighting in a Cyber Cafe issue is a simple one to solve..

YOU JUST DON'T DO IT IN PUBLIC PLACES!!!

but then again, taking in to account who we are dealing with...I expect them to give 101 reasons for :

1. But they started it
2. Because they lanci
3. Because they losing and i wan to pwn them kau-kau
4. bla bla bla bla

Really fedup of those that say fighting is wrong but some of them deserve to kena whack.

So if its wrong in the first place...why the hell would you whack? Because they deserve it is not a valid reaason.

after reading all the pages in this thread, i can conclude that serious gamer and those who play games for fun really have different opinions <<< jz a general conclusion though.....

cheers

This post has been edited by masterpoloking: Sep 14 2008, 06:39 PM

You got the picture. Unfortunately some ethical people dun. Actually, I am also fed up with them and i try not to post anymore but when i see some of the statements they made especially the one on the ethics part and the justification they attempt to make, I really cannot help but flame them.

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Added on September 14, 2008, 8:19 pmYour logic in warped here about people who leave the game after 3-0. You say that those people will go and support Chelsea? I really LOL when i saw that statement you make. Those people leave because they are upset that their favorite team lost. This not only happen in mamak stalls but it happens in actual stadiums. Actual supporters actually leave when the score is 1-0 at the 89th minute. So you said that those actual supporters who pay a lot of money each time they watch are going to support Chelsea? The reason why they leave is because they are passionate about their team. They really cannot take it anymore that their beloved team is losing anymore. It is those kind of people who will be the most loyal to the team because they are passionate. They will not support another team. The most is they will not watch football anymore. You know who are the Manchester United or Chelsea supporters? Let me tell you something. They are the people who are not passionate about their original team that they support in the first place. They watch soccer without any passion at all. They follow rules all the time and because Chelsea happened to win the leaque, I will support them because I only support Winners. I dun care the fact that Chelsea bought the leaque using money. All they see is Chelsea won the leaque so i support them. Those are the people i despise the most. And I doubt those people will leave after the 70th minute because they do not feel so passionate about their team at all. They are just commercialized idiots.

By your logic, you are condemning Arsene Wenger for fighting with Alan Pardew the moment West Ham scored against Arsenal? Actually if you look at it carefully, it is similar behavior to those ppl who leave after the 70th minute. He just could not accept defeat graciously. But I respect him even more because I know that he love his team very much as compared to those law-abiding managers who keeps their cool and give "unbiased" statement even though they know that their team is treated unfairly. I love him because he always defends his team members and I love him because he follows his principles. He manages the club properly and is not willing to put his club into further debt to buy players just because he wants instant gratification. Sorry I am getting ahead of myself here.

Dota in the public domain is just a game. The way you talk about not showing respect to the opponent really makes me LOL. We get angry when someone leave not because of the disrespect the opponent showed us but because we are irritated that we cannot complete the game that we are supposed to win especially when we are having the advantage. You always say that there are reason why people fight. Why you never ever apply that same logic to why people leave. I agree with you that some of the reasons as to why people leave is wrong but dun you think you are going too far by saying that those people deserved to be punished? As I said, if they do it too often, leaving with the wrong reason then just go in front of them and tell them not to do it again and tell them that people wants to enjoy the game and that it is not you who is playing the game. Why are you harping that people fight with them because they are irritated or something. That means indirectly you are defending those who fight with them by saying that they are not so wrong after all in fighting with them. That was why I was so pissed with you when you go and write that those people who wanted to fight with me must have a valid reason. And you even used the words logical. Let me tell you that your logic is totally warped in the first place and i really do not respect you for the words that you have used not only on me but also on your indirect support of those who fights.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 14 2008, 08:19 PM

lolz fight over dota.......either he is born from a maniac parents aka cacat sama cacat reproduce lebih cacat..........

anyway wacking some fellar bcz of leaver is totally mentally/physically wrong, if you are so pro enough why dun u try fight Kingsuf@kingsurf cafe i bet the fans alone also wack u kau kau if u try to wack them.....very unrational thinking/movement.......

not showing respect to opponent i understand like being or call ppl noobs.....prove them wrong by beating them in dota not in real fight......


p.s real gamer says GG only when end game.....not all-time in the game

This post has been edited by warlove3: Sep 14 2008, 09:28 PM

Really ar. Then I am not a real gamer. hahaha

50 bucks says, they will not say the person deserve to be whack if the person is leng lui

This post has been edited by nickisthemost: Sep 15 2008, 10:11 AM

i dunno about u guys, but i think it is very justifiable to beat the crap out of a leaver/game spoiler, especially when you're playing in cyber cafes coz they're wasting the players time and money, just my opinion...

halo!! since u wanna compare chess with dota.
then u should compare it as dota 1 on 1
playing 1 on 1
when u know u have lose.
u concede defeat to your opponent cos u are juz responsible to your self.
u made a mistake midway leading to your defeat.

on a 5 on 5 game.
there is still 4 people in your team.
whether he sucks or not.
u stick with your team till the end.

since people are comparing football here
if u lose 5-0 half time?
can 1 player say
"eh ,i dont wan play wif u all d la, u all so noob make me lose."

ur behavior to find excuse for leaving game is like wat chinese call
" zuan niu jiao jian"
i duno how to explain the word if some1 pro translate for him

1 noob can make ur game like hell
but u cant say u already 100% lose like tat

b4 reading your post.
i cant understand why dota got so many leavers
duno wat thier brain is thinking
but after reading your post
finally know wat leavers have in their mind

This post has been edited by simonyw_87: Sep 15 2008, 03:50 PM

simon, leave him alone already, if we really should discuss about leavers in dota, why not someone create a new debate thread about "Leave a dota game. Right or wrong?" We'll carry our debates there. Talking about leavers in this topic is already going off-topic, and arguing with people who thinks there's nothing wrong when doing something wrong, sigh~

yaya..
debate this topic with a leaver really no ending

ok then, should people put laws in to their hands especially violence act ?

your method seems to be violence = lessons, how sure are you people are gonna learn thier lesson through violence act ? do you know that by inflicting violence upon others you're actually promoting it, thus the creation of many merciless crime nowadays, violence leads nothing much positive and with that reason alone i do not support people being bashed up just because the person leave a game regardless of how it is done, cheers

btw, i heard there are hidden rules/ethics about dota can you tell me what are they ?

LOL, I remembered that i almost got whacked by cc boss and his gang
It was chinese new year and i decided to go to the cc as its just near my grandma house to pass time as i am bored there
So started palying with the boss and gang
It started fine until i start getting the items and pawning+owning
The cc boss started saying noob to my teamate in chinese+swearing
Being a malay boy, i understand a bit because my friends tought me in school when ppl swear how to react
I react by saying dun scold people, 1st time play maybe
Cc boss terus ask me what pc am I
So i told him and he came to my pc, we nego and he agree to have a remake. If i win, i can take unlimited cans of drinks from his fridge and don't pay
So in the end i won and i stayed at that cc drinking and playing