I really do not understand your issue with leavers. Sometimes I really do not understand why people want to get on with a game whereby the ending is so predictable. You like winning games 56-8 or something? I mean, you do not get bored pawning those idiots over and over again? Get a life man. You think it is so fun winning against noobs? I do not see the fun in it. In fact when I play, and my team is pawning the other team like mad. Our team do not complain when the other person leave because we understand that there is no point in continuing and we understand how the other person is feeling. Do you think that it is possible to learn much under a being pawned situation? Tell me, if your mother is constantly watching you study, do you think you can learn much? Do you think you can learn much in an environment whereby your mind keeps on telling you you are losing? In adversity, people managed to conquer their failures because they managed to keep their mind of their failure and focus on the positives instead. Do you think it is possible when you are losing in Dota?

If a person leave even though the team still have a chance to win, then really that guy should be scolded. But what is the point in being angry with a person if that team is going to lose anyway. You like wasting your time playing meaningless games? You enjoy killing heroes who are just as stupid as AI? If you enjoy so much go and play AI lah.

If someone has an emergency, he should tell the others promptly before he goes. Do you think it is practical to ask someone to take over you? Are you treating someone's emergency lightly? He got a call from his mum. His mum is asking him to go back immediately. So you have a problem with that? You mean he has to continue the game and at the same time worry that he is going to get whack by his mum?

Ok, your last point is probably rite. But the thing is. Who thinks when they go to CCs. Do you know the reason why ppl have prepaid in the first place? It is to control their usage of time and perhaps money but that is out of point. Do you think they actually keep track of their time when they play? Of course they are wrong . You could get work up with them but please also understand from their stand.


Your logic makes no sense at all. I really pity those who agree with you. This shows that they have nothing better to do. I pity even more those who resort to violence. Those are the most empty headed people I ever seen. They are willing to sacrifice their entire life. There is no excuse in that this is just the heat of the moment. If you cannot control yourself you are like animals who should be lock up forever.


Seriously, we pay in CC to enjoy ourself. To have competition with others. We do not pay in CC just for the sake of pawning noobs. There is nothing fantastic in doing that.

You are the one in need of maturity for taking Dota so seriously at a point that other ppl personal life get affected. I know it is not good to leave half way and i do curse when i am at a winning position but if that person tells me a good reason why he left, I will accept it with a heavy heart because i am kind enough to be considerate about other ppl feelings. I am not an idiot who will want to continue playing a 4 vs 5 game like so many of you here.

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Added on September 8, 2008, 3:57 pmYeah agreed. This guy say one thing one moment. The moment he found out that his stance was wrong. He changed his stance again. Some people just never admit their mistakes. And they go around bashing ppl as if they are some angel. Those are the worst kind of people. If a person can stay in a game if they are losing 20-0. I salute him. In fact i did tell my team members one thing before. How come opponent did not leave even though they are losing 20-0. I really respect him man. Seriously. this Quick` guy really has a problem. He implies that he does not have any problem with people using violence just because some rules has been broken. Rules are being made by people. So you do not really have to be so rigid. In fact, if the opponent is losing badly, you should be thankful that he leaves and not continue wasting your time. Really seriously, I do not know how people think nowadays. I really do not understand why people wants to continue in meaningless stuff. This shows the sorry state of most ppl around here.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 8 2008, 05:02 PM

People do lose it in CCs. I mean come on. Those games really get into you. I have no problem with people getting upset when they lose a game. That is what games are meant to be. It is all about winning. Fighting is another thing all together. People who fight really should get their mind checked. They really should not be allowed to roam in public places.

Sorry refering to wrong person. I thought you are the guy who supported PETA and who actually mentioned that it is ok to do testing on death row convicts instead of animals. That person really need to get his head checked. But people do get emotional when playing Dota. It is sort of a competitive thing. You should play it to understand it. But do not get addicted to it

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 8 2008, 04:44 PM

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Added on September 8, 2008, 6:17 pmI played star craft before and I would say that the difficulty level is not that hard. Most of the time, you are either doing rushing or you are defending your based and building higher end staff at the backend. I do not see much complications in that. For Protos, all you need is to build those massive ships and you win.Or you can win by rushing dark templer in . For terrain, you build tanks and battleship and perhaps observer and you win. For Zerg you have to rush because your troops are basically useless in the end. Of course there are other strategies like sending your "protos" tank(I think it is a cocoon or something) using a transportator or something. But if you are experience and you build towers, this should not happen.

I agree that warcraft is hard. You have to multitask. You have to control your troops as well as your heroes. I salute warcraft players. Espacially those who can multitask. But most of us mere mortals. What we do is we will perhaps control the heroes and the troops separately.
It is impossible to control all the spell casters and also the heroes seperately. I think most of the time ppl just select a few spell castors to do the things they do, control the heroes and just mass the troops to attack. It is impossible to control everything 1 by 1. So kudos to those can do that.

For those 2 games,the team work required is not that much. Most of the time, it is more about individual skills.

For DOTA, you need great team work and good individual skills. You also need timing. You need to know when you should attack and when you should stay back, For those 2 games, you basically know when to attack. I mean i am sure that there is a standard that has been set that when you have managed to gather your troops aftter a while, then it is time to attack. You need to know which item to buy at that moment of time. The item to buy varies depending on the situation. You need to know which skills to learn first depending on the situation. in Dota most of the things are situational. In those 2 games that you have mentioned, it is not very situational. I mean you kind of know what to do from the beggining and if you failed, you always have a standard plan B. In Dota, all your plans depends on the situation. You need more coordination with your team mates on which skills need to be casted. You need to decide whether you are going around hunting others or you are going to play defensive. So I guess game play wise, Dota is more fun because it is really like going to war since you have to coordinate with your mates. But in those games that you mentioned, there is not much coordination. If you can build your staff quick enough and have proper defences, you should win.

Have you ever wondered why ppl get so excited when they die? Because Dota is exciting. It is the excitement that promote this kind of behavior. I mean would you get so worked up if that game is just a nothing game with little excitement value? It is ok to get excited but please have the brains to not fight with each other.

Actually the reason why i mentioned PETA is because I think there was one idiot who supports PETA who always come out with stupid arguments on why PETA is so good and that it is ok for normal ppl to be sacrificed in place of animals. I mistook you as that person. I just want to highlight to that person that I do not want to waste my time talking to him because his logic is totally lost.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 8 2008, 06:18 PM

So what does me misspelling Protoss and Terran means to you? I used to have respect based to you based on what you said earlier but I do not have any now. You mean you expect someone who have not been playing starcraft for a long time to spell those correctly? Oh my gosh. You must be the most immature person in the world. I mean when you have a debate with another person, do you look for small spelling mistakes just to prove that you are right? That really shows how insecure you are. I suggest you go and get some treatment. In that case, people in China cannot be physicist then because they cannot speak English well. How pathetic.

Did you even read my posts properly? I did not condemn the other games. In fact I said that people who are experts in Warcraft 3 are real geniuses. Their micro skills are so good that very few people can comprehend.

The teamwork that you require in other RTS is not as much as Dota. I mean come on, what kind of teamwork do you need to in StarCraft and Warcraft 3. If teamwork was so important, how come most starcraft tournaments and warcraft tournaments are 1 vs 1? Shouldn't tournaments be 3 vs 3 or something like that? Even if it is 3 vs 3. I am sure that in the start, those 3 players kind of have a plan on what to do and stick to the plan unless something goes amiss and they may have to switch to plan B. Do you think that at the start, those players actually interact with each other on what to build and such? Even at the later stage, if their plan has failed most likely they would have lost the game because their plan has actually failed. So you actually called that teamwork?

But in Dota, you have to have teamwork even at the beginning. You have to know what you are going to do based on the heroes that the opponent has. And teamwork is essential because a mistake by any member can cost the whole entire game at high level games. In Warcraft and Starcraft, it is more about micromanagement so that you get the best army. So am i not wrong to say that Warcraft and StarCraft is more about individual skills and Dota is more about teamwork? I dun know why you are so biased against Dota. You dun even know the mechanics of the game based on the fact that you lump those together with Warcraft and Starcraft. They are of a different genre. The game play is totally different. I dun know what the hell got into that tiny head of yours to say that they are similar. In Dota, you have to interact with the enemy at the go whereelse in Warcraft or Starcraft you build first and then you fight with the enemy. I mean how stupid can 1 get to say that they are similar when the game play is totally different. And what sickens me is that this guy has the urge to say that the faster you click in Dota, the better you are. Obviously, he must be playing warcraft 2 or something and mistake it for Dota.

ok, mayby i got the strategy for Starcraft wrong. Back then, when I played, what happens is that during those times those are the strategy that was being used.

And by the way, I am sure radkiller will agree with me on this. Even if you have many Zerg units, they are still weak. Zerg is known to be huge in numbers. You can actually spam your Zerg well but they are weak if you play them the conventional way. By saying that Zerg is weak based on their numbers shows how ignorant you are.

For radkiller strategy. Say for protoss. I build up my defence. Do you th ink that the scourge can actually come close to the carrier? From my experience, those scourge normally get destroyed before they even come close to the carrier. Obviously when you build your carrier, you are not going to neglect your defence rite?

When I am talking about Dark Templers I am obviously refering to Terrain because Terrain do not have any detectors until the later stage right? Unless you build those air missile things and build bunkers behind them. But dun tell me you are going to build your air missles everywhere. What is i send my transporter over an area whereby there is no air missile and concentrate on attacking your robots. As long as i put in even 2-3 dark templers inside the Terran base even if the rest dies, it is enough to wreck havoc. Dun you agree with me on that?

For Terrain, since I can use my robots to build anywhere and Terran is known for it's defence. I could just build bunkers near the enemies base. of course I have some backup troops to support. Then I build my tank behind those the bunkers. and after that once the bunkers are built, And after that I bring my tanks,ships and other reinforcement troops along. Dun you think that once i have the defence near the zerg based, I cannot even be touched? Do you think zerg can even get past Terrn in the later stage. I dun think so.

As I said I have not been playing this game for years and thus my strategy may be outdated. But do you think that I am accurate in what say?

I do play RTS game. But not competitively because playing 1 game competitively is already enough to ruin my life.

I think it is obvious to everyone here that initially you were actually advocating violence to people who leave the game and it is obvious that you are not directing that to people who leave at the very start because very few people do that. Everyone here knows that. Everyone here knows the true meaning of what you were saying initially.

So tell me, the reason why they continue playing even after losing 9-0 is because they are obliged to play. If they decided to discontinue playing, they will be look upon in disgust. Do you think that those people after losing 9-0 can actually play actual football? Let me tell you something. They are just playing out of obligation. It is the same case with Lee Chong Wei. Do you think that he can actually play actual badminton after being trashed by Lin Dan? He is just playing out of obligation because he knows he is going to lose. He is thrashed. Do you think that he really wished to continue playing at that time? I am sure he really wished that the game will end immediately because everyone is watching him. So did you condemn him because he lost his heart after losing by a big score? Did you condemn him for giving up half way in the match? Do you know why teams lose 3-0 in the end even though the first goal was scored in the 70th minute? So are you going to condemn teams that loses by 3-0 because they did not play football for the last 20 minutes?

You always like to mention about playing competitively. So when a team get thrashed until like that. When you are playing against noobs you really enjoy yourself? Are you actually playing out of obligation or are you playing to release your stress and enjoy yourself. If your fellow teammates are noobs and they continue getting thrashed do you think you have the heart to continue? You cannot concede defeat to the other party because you are going to be bashed. You scold the other people in your team, But what can you do about those people who have no skill. The more you play the more frustrated you get. So the natural reaction is to leave.

You like following rules of Dota so much. Have you followed the rules of life as much? I bet you dun.

You do not leave games when you are losing given that those people in your team are competent enough. You still can have some enjoyment in it. If those people in your team are like those who always aim the light strike array(Lina) at himself whenever chasing enemy even if we were chasing enemy 2 vs 1. Do not know how to use her ultitame when the other hero has low life. You have very little heart to play.You shout at them, scream at them, they still keep quiet. I am sure you have met ppl as such. You play with this kind of ppl, the whole team all demotivated already.

Perhaps the people you play with are all pros. So you do not get so frustrated when playing. I get my points across. But to say that those people deserve to get beaten up is wrong. It is enough to go up to them and tell them not to leave game if you know who the person is. But to beat someone else is way too much. It is totally inexcusable.

When most people leave, it is because they see the entire game as hopeless. Very little chance of a turnaround barring a miracle. The people around them could be totally hopeless,etc. I am sure when you play against such opponents you do know what is the likely outcome. So why continue bullying them?

Normally people do not leave after first blood. It is when they get pawned over and over again. Ppl start scolding them. I have seen others who get pawned over and over again even though they made few mistakes but ppl still hammer them.

So can you imagine if you are put in a situation whereby you are in distress. Dun you think that it is normal that you get out of that situation?

I normally play on even if i lose badly given that the people surrounding me has a good reputation. At least I respect their skill set.

So you are saying that those Star Craft Professional Players should not play star craft anymore because they decided to concede defeat. OR that chess player should not play chess because they resign when they find that there is no hope of winning? Why take quitting so seriously. Your reasoning that just because 1 player quits the whole game is affected. Can you ensure me that you will not call a person who is causing your team to lose a noob and lose your temper over that person since that person did not leave. I mean that person is not affecting your overall play rite. So you have no right to get angry with them. It will be hypocritical if you do.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 9 2008, 01:57 PM

I nearly got into a fight once because of a few dotards aka retards. At that time, I was using doom. I dun think i really played in a noobish manner. But that idiot Gondar was already making trouble for me.

First of all, for one of the enemies, I level that hero and then doom that hero. At that time Gondar was chasing. But he did not managed to get the kill so he mock me by saying i should doom and level. He said want to teach me woh. I was thinking wat the , what is the difference between using a difference sequence. The overall effect is the same. But I just kept quiet because I know I do not want to stir too much emotion.

After that when chasing the enemy, I did not have enough mana to level that enemy, so I just chased after him because my mana was regenerating and i know i can level him. At that time Gondar was chasing as well. Gondar failed to kill and straight away he said that I am a noob because i did not cast my death fast enough. I told him straight away that I do not have the mana to cast at that time. After that we gang bang the enemy and I got a kill by casting death. I told them I am not so noob after all rite. I dun think i am being lansi for doing that. But I dun know why those gang took what i say by heart.

From now onwards, they keep on mocking me. When someone happen to gang bang me, they will say that I am a pro. But anyway we were pawning the opponent like hell. One of the team left because his side was closing so it was 4 vs 5. In the end we all lost because of numerical disadvantages in the end, but they started calling me noob and such. I was like what the. We lost the game 4 vs 5. We had a go at them and actually nearly won even 4 vs 5 and now you still want to insult me. I did not lanci. All I said was that I am not a noob because the other person was insulting me Anyway, I join other game and when 1 of those idiots join that game, call me a f***** noob and a f*****Korean because i used a Korean nick. Another of that so call gang join the game and started insulting me. He said that he is going to pawn me. I just kept quiet. I know that he is angry for "some"reason. When another person j oin at my side, ask me to get kick but I asked him back why he want to kick me. That guy i played with just throw words at me and said you should get kick because you are noobish. I then asked him why is he so angry with me. I did not insult him in anyway. Why must you be so pissed at me. Then he just say that talk too much. I told him that the reason why I said that I am not a noob is because that other person told me that I am a noob. Why do you need to get so upset with me. Then he just throw all kinds of profanities at me. I got upset and I insulted him by saying that do you have a proper job? The way you insulted me over a Dota game shows that you do not have a proper job. Then he said i know where you sit. If you are brave enough, remain at where you sit. I did not want to just leave like that because I feared for my life. I dun know what this idiot will do to me if i just leave.I do not want to cause a fight so I ask him why are you so upset with me. I did not do anything to insult you. Can you tell me what exactly I did to insult you. Then he just keep on saying do you want to fight. If want to fight come out and fight la. Then the other people also were saying that we should settle this outside and not continue here. So in the end I said no and just kept quiet while this idiot was being hypocritical and saying that he wanted to play peacefully and i was causing trouble for him.

I wanted to leave halfway in this game but seeing a psycho there, i rather not because it would give him to excuse to whack me up. After I finish the game, I waited for a few minutes, and leave after that because i really do not want to get hurt in anyway.

This is the experience that I want to share with you guys.

I was not trying to debate with him. In fact, when they insulted me initially, i did not talk much except to defend myself. but after that when they ignore me and keep on making fun of me I just shut my mouth. I did joke around saying that hey i am not a noob rite? They gang bang me and yet I was able to run away. Hahaha

I talk reason with ppl but i can also sense that at that time ppl do not want to listen to reason so i just shut my mouth because i know it is going to get worse.

Of course I would not be so stupid to go and join their game the 2nd time. I join another game, but that person happen to join that game and there was no other games going around. From my experience, in fact i was now his opponent. I would not want to play with him. I did not know that someone will take a Dota game so seriously and cause a stir especially since i am his opponent. I know that ppl get angry but there is a fine line between getting angry and getting out of control rite. If someone can get out of control even if he had a bad day, then mentally he is not very stable in the first place. That is why i said time and again that such people should be lock up and not be allowed in public places. At that time I just wanted to play another game and I thought he was just being childish by making comments like that at me and that is why i stayed because i just wanted to play a game. If I knew that he was so unstable,mentally ill, I would have left the game immediately and leave the place. I am sure that in that story, i did mention that i wanted to leave halfway but preferred not to because i dun want to get hurt.

When a noob plays a game he has already spoilt the entire game for his team. His team most likely will be cursing him all the time. In fact I am sure that you have seen cases whereby the noob is asked to leave the game. so by the fact that a noob joins, he has already spoilt the game for his team and indirectly for the rest of the others because the the team cannot play competitively because of this noob. When we play a game, we play to win. But the winning gets sweater if we win against a creditable opponent. That is the reason why Dota is so addictive is because that feeling of win is so thrilling. A noob affects the game since start. And you cannot tell the opponent, oh please finish the game fast at the start rite? I ask this and I ask again. Do you feel good by thrashing the opponent the entire time if the opponent has no skill?

Dun you think that a forum will not be such an interesting place if someone just say something and everyone just say yes. I am not trying to stir up trouble here just by purposely telling Demonicangel my own views. Those views are sincerely my views and I just want ppl to look at leavers in another view of light.

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Added on September 10, 2008, 12:53 pmyeah, i was stress at that time. If they do, then i guess they are no different from animals. I am not justifying that i am right. I just wanted to cool down the situation by asking them to think back on what have i done to insult them. i thought if they realize that i did not insult them, they will back off. I did not know that they are really truly animals.

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Added on September 10, 2008, 1:01 pmYou have a problem with our debate? You mean you have problems understanding what we are saying? If you do, I suggest you go and view other forums that may be easier for to understand.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 10 2008, 01:01 PM

Why do you think so? Because I disagree with you that not all leavers are bad? So you want everyone to except the fact that all leavers as bad as the Gospel truth? Everyone knows that violence is bad. In fact, from post #1, people already know it. Just that some Dotards or Retards try and justify it by saying that they will turn a blind eye on people using violence on people who breaks Dota Rules. To say that there is a reason as to why people get beaten up as leaving is considered as an insult to people is just plain nonsensical. In that case, if i knock into your car, are you justified to beat me up just because you are upset? This really shows the mentality of those so called dotards or retards trying to justify indirectly the usage of violence. A person who breaks Dota Rules do not deserve violence just as much as a person who do not break it. Get this into your head. I think the fun has just begin. It is normal for retards who do not know Dota to come and flame us. But if the administrator or TS thinks that this thread should be closed, then they have the right to do so.

bye bye. I also dun have time to point out which posts that you posts state that you say that all leavers are bad. And I am sure that you also know which kind of leavers i am referring to.

Good luck in being a true DOTA PLAYER. You have my support

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Added on September 10, 2008, 4:21 pmYour last statement also shows how irresponsible you are. If that person can beat you because you leave a game, that same person will beat another person up in the future. His mental state is messed up and he should be locked up forever and not be allowed out. This same person will also beat up another guy if that guy knock into his car accidently or even if that guy keep on horning him this guy will have the risk of getting hurt. If you see such a person in cc, you should call the police immediately and try to get a few others to stop the fight. If you condone this you are as bad as the person who fights.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 10 2008, 04:51 PM

No matter how he leaves, there is no reason at all to BEAT him up. The CC owners have to stop those idiots who fight. Even if those ppl dun fight today they will fight tomorrow if someone knocks their car. Those people are dangerous and should not be allowed to roam in public. Understand?Please dun justify fights because of leaving anymore.

I doom him and after that level him right away. Is there a difference? As a dota player, I am sure you know what I am talking about. Perhaps you already have this mentality that just because someone got scolded, he is in the wrong. As a fellow dota player you should also know clearly what i am talking about when i said that i death and then doom him straight away in sequence. I dun think it really makes a difference if you do it concurrently. If I have no mana, I would definately choose to doom him right away because I am normally a team player. To me who gets the kill makes no difference as long as the kill is made. I think you are the only one here who is questioning my tactic and this shows the maturity level you are at if you are an experience dota player. I think any experience player who read my posts would know straight away what i am talking about unless you are already biased towards me. It is not a matter of whether i should listen to my team mate or not. I really do not know what world you are in. Dota is a game that is real time. How long have you not been playing Dota? Your team mates do not tell you what to do because they expect you to know what to do. If a team mate told me earlier what to do, I would do it even if i disagree with him if it is logical because i do not want to spoil the entire game.

There are a lot of posts about Sohai here who cause trouble and there are people who advocate violence against them . What do you classify a sohai. A sohai is someone who makes trouble out of nothing. He makes trouble because he feels irritated. You said that it is common sense that so many people would be against that someone if there is something wrong with that person. Well let me tell you something. What if they are a group of friends. This idiot Sohai Gondar scolded me for nothing. So now i go and tell the others that I am not a noob after I killed one of the opponent. I am just defending myself. As someone pointed out just now, just that statement could have cause people there to think i am a sohai. I may be very harsh in what I say in forums, but can you seriously tell me that I am a Sohai based on the posts that I have posted? I am very sorry that you never met this kind of people before. I have never met this kind of people also even when I was a noob. This is the first time that I meet this kind of people.

As I have said earlier and I said again, Those people who uses violence, they will use violence as long as if they got irritated. I do not want to quote those examples again. As someone pointed earlier, that person who wanted to fight with me may have a hard day at work and he may have got slightly irritated by the things that I have said. So now he thinks he got the upper hand and keeps on insulting me. When I insulted him back, he could not take it and then wants to fight with me. I am sure you heard that youngsters once they have the upper hand, they will think they can insult you in anyway possible. If you have not heard about cases whereby ppl get killed over a dollar note, then i guess you must be the most ill informed person in the world. There are people who have mental issues and their sickness could be triggered that night. The only thing you can do is to prevent yourself from getting hurt which was what i did that night.

You said that people who leave deserve to get punished. It would depend on what reason they leave. If they leave because they are trouble makers then it is enough to go to them and tell them not to do it again in front of everyone which is very embarasing. If they leave because they are losing badly, then please also have the understanding that they are humans and you may curse them secretly but please do not go and make trouble for them. If you do that you are also a sohai and if that could be valid reason for them to beat you up the next time they bring their friends along and happen to see you. You like to talk about the rules of dota so much but you forgotten that dota is supposed to be a game that is being enjoyed by 10 players. I already given an example of why a noob has already destroyed the game since the start. Really, the reason why you go to cc in the first place is to enjoy yourself and not let small irritation affect you.

A person who is mature in his thought would not have said the things which you said that a person who leaves deserve punishment. There is so many other things that deserve your attention. Why must you go and get pissed over a meaningless game whereby the conclusion has already been decided.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 11 2008, 10:57 AM

Well, then I guess in your eyes, Dota is your life. When someone irritates you or break the rules in Dota, that person is justified to beat up another person. You compare a person who leave the game with a person who actually purposely knocks into another person's car? I am just trying to let you guys know that this guy who beats a leaver because he gets irritated will do the same thing if someone knocks his car accidently. I guess Dota has eaten so much into a person's head that they cannot think with any sense anymore. You really never get the meaning of my posts do you when i am trying to highlight that a person who beats another person up over leaving is actually a monster.

I have already highlighted the effects of noobs in a game and i dun want to do so again.

Justify to leave as in because of the rules of Dota. If you like to waste your time and play for a lost cause then please do. In fact Dota should change the rules to allow people to concede defeat if the other person can prove that there is no chance of winning or there are noobs who is affecting the game. Mayby you should follow this and be more gracious when someone concedes defeat if he has a reasonable reason.

And to GrandElf, to me a good gamer is a gamer with the right skill set regardless of whether he follows the rules or not. If you follow all the rules and you dun have the skills you are still a noob in my eyes. I will not look upon highly on you just because you follow the rules.

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Added on September 11, 2008, 3:20 pmI bet you fail to see the significance of what i am saying then. Pity you

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 11 2008, 03:20 PM

Why not. Give me your contacts so that I can find you ok.

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Added on September 12, 2008, 12:05 amMy teacher did not tell me to follow the rules when i first came to school. I remember when I went to school, the first thing i remembered was ABC because i cannot understand the rules before knowing how to read so in order to teach me the rules the teacher has to teach me how to read first.

Yes you can. You can break the rules of your school, of your work place of anywhere if you can show to your boss or the school administrator that the company or the school will shut down without you. I believe that if you are the top student in your school, the only thing that the school admin do is scold you if you break the rules. I have never heard of a school who expels top student. Is your school one of them?

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 12 2008, 12:16 AM

Are you sure about that quote over there? Gary Kasparov quits after conceding to deep blue. He is not a winner? Quitter never wins. I seen many familiar names who quites twice but won 6-7 times on average.

If i concede defeat i dun leave? Then why do i concede defeat in the first place.

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Added on September 14, 2008, 3:02 pmReasons as to why I quit has been given earlier. I just want to play a game with people with some brains not those without it. Some people just cannot play Dota just because they just do not have the logical thinking to do so. There is no way you can get any kills with those people in it. I play on even if i know i am going to lose if those people are competent enough unless 2 barracks has already been destroyed and that is the time you know you will surely lose unless your herores are all late game. But at least you still have the fun of getting the rare kills which is satisfying given that you have lost the game.

I played yesterday night and I remembered that our team was owning the other team. One of the person from the other team quit. Instead of saying the usual f*** word that i am sure you guys say all the time regardless of whether the game is meaningless or not, I just ask the other team whether they are crying or not. I joked around with them and later another guy quit. No one in our team made a fuss and my team mate just leave the game after that. And we joined another game.There was no temper at all being thrown around. We were happy and jovial after that "win" instead of some of you here who always f*** here and f*** there even though you have "won" the game.

Dota is a team game when you play with pros.Just one noob and the entire team loses. You understand that right?

In that case i bet with you 80% of the time you will never be happy because 80% of the time, ppl leave pro or not when they see the game as hopeless. Unless the players they played with is competent. You want to talk ethics with me. Then I guess you will never ever be happy because rich people do not follow ethics and that is why they pay less taxes and you guys just complain or why is this guy earning 100 times more then me but paying less taxes.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 14 2008, 03:02 PM

You got the picture. Unfortunately some ethical people dun. Actually, I am also fed up with them and i try not to post anymore but when i see some of the statements they made especially the one on the ethics part and the justification they attempt to make, I really cannot help but flame them.

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Added on September 14, 2008, 8:19 pmYour logic in warped here about people who leave the game after 3-0. You say that those people will go and support Chelsea? I really LOL when i saw that statement you make. Those people leave because they are upset that their favorite team lost. This not only happen in mamak stalls but it happens in actual stadiums. Actual supporters actually leave when the score is 1-0 at the 89th minute. So you said that those actual supporters who pay a lot of money each time they watch are going to support Chelsea? The reason why they leave is because they are passionate about their team. They really cannot take it anymore that their beloved team is losing anymore. It is those kind of people who will be the most loyal to the team because they are passionate. They will not support another team. The most is they will not watch football anymore. You know who are the Manchester United or Chelsea supporters? Let me tell you something. They are the people who are not passionate about their original team that they support in the first place. They watch soccer without any passion at all. They follow rules all the time and because Chelsea happened to win the leaque, I will support them because I only support Winners. I dun care the fact that Chelsea bought the leaque using money. All they see is Chelsea won the leaque so i support them. Those are the people i despise the most. And I doubt those people will leave after the 70th minute because they do not feel so passionate about their team at all. They are just commercialized idiots.

By your logic, you are condemning Arsene Wenger for fighting with Alan Pardew the moment West Ham scored against Arsenal? Actually if you look at it carefully, it is similar behavior to those ppl who leave after the 70th minute. He just could not accept defeat graciously. But I respect him even more because I know that he love his team very much as compared to those law-abiding managers who keeps their cool and give "unbiased" statement even though they know that their team is treated unfairly. I love him because he always defends his team members and I love him because he follows his principles. He manages the club properly and is not willing to put his club into further debt to buy players just because he wants instant gratification. Sorry I am getting ahead of myself here.

Dota in the public domain is just a game. The way you talk about not showing respect to the opponent really makes me LOL. We get angry when someone leave not because of the disrespect the opponent showed us but because we are irritated that we cannot complete the game that we are supposed to win especially when we are having the advantage. You always say that there are reason why people fight. Why you never ever apply that same logic to why people leave. I agree with you that some of the reasons as to why people leave is wrong but dun you think you are going too far by saying that those people deserved to be punished? As I said, if they do it too often, leaving with the wrong reason then just go in front of them and tell them not to do it again and tell them that people wants to enjoy the game and that it is not you who is playing the game. Why are you harping that people fight with them because they are irritated or something. That means indirectly you are defending those who fight with them by saying that they are not so wrong after all in fighting with them. That was why I was so pissed with you when you go and write that those people who wanted to fight with me must have a valid reason. And you even used the words logical. Let me tell you that your logic is totally warped in the first place and i really do not respect you for the words that you have used not only on me but also on your indirect support of those who fights.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 14 2008, 08:19 PM

Really ar. Then I am not a real gamer. hahaha

Yeah rite.