I playing DOtA for about 5 years now... I always playing at internet and CC also..

at this cc that i always playing with, the players there are pro and always LCYC when winning a game, but they never whacking ppl if got leaver or got some arguement in the game.. its just their mind has already set wat in games will settle in game..

and in this 5 years of playing DOtA(im pretty sure that i m pro myself), just now i noe about this so call rule that i read in this thread, dont get too serious in DOtA man.. it is kind of addictive and can be bad for some people that cant control themself..

if you want to get serious, get serious in study or in work.. not just in this minority game.. u think u can earn money for winning huh?!!
GAMES ARE MADE TO RELIEF STRESS NOT ADDING MORE STRESS IN YOU

OK thread closed

good say ,good say

Finally see some mature post here. Where's that TS? Close thread please.

how u guys play dota ?
gg-client ?
got others?
can i play with cc at home ?

I really do not understand your issue with leavers. Sometimes I really do not understand why people want to get on with a game whereby the ending is so predictable. You like winning games 56-8 or something? I mean, you do not get bored pawning those idiots over and over again? Get a life man. You think it is so fun winning against noobs? I do not see the fun in it. In fact when I play, and my team is pawning the other team like mad. Our team do not complain when the other person leave because we understand that there is no point in continuing and we understand how the other person is feeling. Do you think that it is possible to learn much under a being pawned situation? Tell me, if your mother is constantly watching you study, do you think you can learn much? Do you think you can learn much in an environment whereby your mind keeps on telling you you are losing? In adversity, people managed to conquer their failures because they managed to keep their mind of their failure and focus on the positives instead. Do you think it is possible when you are losing in Dota?

If a person leave even though the team still have a chance to win, then really that guy should be scolded. But what is the point in being angry with a person if that team is going to lose anyway. You like wasting your time playing meaningless games? You enjoy killing heroes who are just as stupid as AI? If you enjoy so much go and play AI lah.

If someone has an emergency, he should tell the others promptly before he goes. Do you think it is practical to ask someone to take over you? Are you treating someone's emergency lightly? He got a call from his mum. His mum is asking him to go back immediately. So you have a problem with that? You mean he has to continue the game and at the same time worry that he is going to get whack by his mum?

Ok, your last point is probably rite. But the thing is. Who thinks when they go to CCs. Do you know the reason why ppl have prepaid in the first place? It is to control their usage of time and perhaps money but that is out of point. Do you think they actually keep track of their time when they play? Of course they are wrong . You could get work up with them but please also understand from their stand.


Your logic makes no sense at all. I really pity those who agree with you. This shows that they have nothing better to do. I pity even more those who resort to violence. Those are the most empty headed people I ever seen. They are willing to sacrifice their entire life. There is no excuse in that this is just the heat of the moment. If you cannot control yourself you are like animals who should be lock up forever.


Seriously, we pay in CC to enjoy ourself. To have competition with others. We do not pay in CC just for the sake of pawning noobs. There is nothing fantastic in doing that.

You are the one in need of maturity for taking Dota so seriously at a point that other ppl personal life get affected. I know it is not good to leave half way and i do curse when i am at a winning position but if that person tells me a good reason why he left, I will accept it with a heavy heart because i am kind enough to be considerate about other ppl feelings. I am not an idiot who will want to continue playing a 4 vs 5 game like so many of you here.

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Added on September 8, 2008, 3:57 pmYeah agreed. This guy say one thing one moment. The moment he found out that his stance was wrong. He changed his stance again. Some people just never admit their mistakes. And they go around bashing ppl as if they are some angel. Those are the worst kind of people. If a person can stay in a game if they are losing 20-0. I salute him. In fact i did tell my team members one thing before. How come opponent did not leave even though they are losing 20-0. I really respect him man. Seriously. this Quick` guy really has a problem. He implies that he does not have any problem with people using violence just because some rules has been broken. Rules are being made by people. So you do not really have to be so rigid. In fact, if the opponent is losing badly, you should be thankful that he leaves and not continue wasting your time. Really seriously, I do not know how people think nowadays. I really do not understand why people wants to continue in meaningless stuff. This shows the sorry state of most ppl around here.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 8 2008, 05:02 PM

Haven't been insulted or get this kind of experience in Cyber Cafe, nor seen or heard of them with my own ears and eyes. May be because the game I play (Solitaire, offline mode, and Shanghai, offline as well). But it's getting ridiculous if people get over their head just because of some games. In the working world this will lead you to being jobless, as easy as that. May be I'll visit a Cyber Cafe some day after more than 5 years absence.

People do lose it in CCs. I mean come on. Those games really get into you. I have no problem with people getting upset when they lose a game. That is what games are meant to be. It is all about winning. Fighting is another thing all together. People who fight really should get their mind checked. They really should not be allowed to roam in public places.

Sorry refering to wrong person. I thought you are the guy who supported PETA and who actually mentioned that it is ok to do testing on death row convicts instead of animals. That person really need to get his head checked. But people do get emotional when playing Dota. It is sort of a competitive thing. You should play it to understand it. But do not get addicted to it

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 8 2008, 04:44 PM

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i didnt say support PETA> i dispise PETA and if PETA was in malaysia saya lawan tetap~!!!1

neways yes DOta is competitive but so is warcraft and tft and also Starcraft which is on a much higher level than DOTA.(say for eg dota is lvl 10 TFT wc3 and SC is about lvl 50 for dotards to understand the situation better)

Yes there are some civilized ppl playing dota when die just keep mouth shut and enjoy the game only. These are the people that progress rather than Monkeys that shout at each other and then gets pissed off and throws chairs at each other.

Neways PETA has nothing to do with this

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Added on September 8, 2008, 6:17 pmI played star craft before and I would say that the difficulty level is not that hard. Most of the time, you are either doing rushing or you are defending your based and building higher end staff at the backend. I do not see much complications in that. For Protos, all you need is to build those massive ships and you win.Or you can win by rushing dark templer in . For terrain, you build tanks and battleship and perhaps observer and you win. For Zerg you have to rush because your troops are basically useless in the end. Of course there are other strategies like sending your "protos" tank(I think it is a cocoon or something) using a transportator or something. But if you are experience and you build towers, this should not happen.

I agree that warcraft is hard. You have to multitask. You have to control your troops as well as your heroes. I salute warcraft players. Espacially those who can multitask. But most of us mere mortals. What we do is we will perhaps control the heroes and the troops separately.
It is impossible to control all the spell casters and also the heroes seperately. I think most of the time ppl just select a few spell castors to do the things they do, control the heroes and just mass the troops to attack. It is impossible to control everything 1 by 1. So kudos to those can do that.

For those 2 games,the team work required is not that much. Most of the time, it is more about individual skills.

For DOTA, you need great team work and good individual skills. You also need timing. You need to know when you should attack and when you should stay back, For those 2 games, you basically know when to attack. I mean i am sure that there is a standard that has been set that when you have managed to gather your troops aftter a while, then it is time to attack. You need to know which item to buy at that moment of time. The item to buy varies depending on the situation. You need to know which skills to learn first depending on the situation. in Dota most of the things are situational. In those 2 games that you have mentioned, it is not very situational. I mean you kind of know what to do from the beggining and if you failed, you always have a standard plan B. In Dota, all your plans depends on the situation. You need more coordination with your team mates on which skills need to be casted. You need to decide whether you are going around hunting others or you are going to play defensive. So I guess game play wise, Dota is more fun because it is really like going to war since you have to coordinate with your mates. But in those games that you mentioned, there is not much coordination. If you can build your staff quick enough and have proper defences, you should win.

Have you ever wondered why ppl get so excited when they die? Because Dota is exciting. It is the excitement that promote this kind of behavior. I mean would you get so worked up if that game is just a nothing game with little excitement value? It is ok to get excited but please have the brains to not fight with each other.

Actually the reason why i mentioned PETA is because I think there was one idiot who supports PETA who always come out with stupid arguments on why PETA is so good and that it is ok for normal ppl to be sacrificed in place of animals. I mistook you as that person. I just want to highlight to that person that I do not want to waste my time talking to him because his logic is totally lost.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 8 2008, 06:18 PM

Man this thread need a "chill the f*** out pill or something" it's like the debate of hardcore gamers vs normal gamers. ._.

After i read till that line,i stopped reading.

DotA do have more teamwork but that doesnt mean that other real RTS dont have much team work.You still need lots of team work in other RTS to be effective as a team.

Besides,i dont think the actual competitive way to play SC is by building carrier or battlecruiser fleets.Thats how noobs play.They turtle,build a full 200 cap army and beat the crap out of each other. Seriously,you cant even spell Protoss and Terran properly. Zerg is useless in the end?You must be joking.They are weak but when you have a huge number of them,they are bloody strong.

Dont worship DotA as if it's a god to you while other RTS seems like a a piece of crap.

Dotards really make me sick.

Now that I fixed ur Protoss and Terran spelling...lets start...

Spam Protoss Carriers you say? Now lets figure it out....it take a large amount of time and resources to make Carriers. Not sure of exact figure but a Carrier is worth 350 minerals / 250 vespene / 8 psi. Build time is 140 seconds. But once it is manufactured, it cannot attack as it still needs to build interceptors to attack which cost 30 minerals and take 20 seconds to build. In total, it takes 590 / 250 / 8 and 300 seconds to build a carrier with 8 Interceptors (Carrier Upgrade not included). These Carriers would be easily trounced by the Zerg Scourge which has a price of 25 / 75 / 1 for 2 (Scourge hatch in pairs) and they just take 30 seconds to build. Once u add it all up, spamming Carriers against the Zerg is the worse thing you can do since the Zerg can rush you before ur squadron of Carriers are ready. Rushing Dark Templars? They are useless against the Zerg as Overlords are detector units as well. Against Terran, the Templar rush my sound feastable only if you are playing against an inexperienced player.

Terran tanks and battleships? The Scourge can take out all the air units in a mere 3 waves if your air armada is of normal size. The Siege Tanks are easily defeated by Mutalisks or Guardians once all Aircraft are destroyed.

Zerg weak in late game? You obviously were not exposed to Defilers, Lurkers, Devourers, Guardians and Ultralisks.

is the whole sentenced for me?or only the down part?i terasa funny cause if its directed to me,i dont see me changing any of my statement..im just further ellaborting on my part every time i post
ill assume that only the further down part is directed to me
no offence,by the way you make your sentenced.....of course u are a gamer,but probably not as commited....
IF I AM LOSING BADLY..i dont leave the game,i continued and play till the game ends,so you wanna respect me?
i dont need respect from you or anyone...cause im determine to end the game even if i lose or put it this way,
i follow the rules of the game whereby players are expected to stay and finish the game.
If i lose i lose,if i win i win..winning hard or lose hard is only part of the game,cant take losing hard?dont play.
ure like talking, for eg: a football team getting thrased by MU 9-0 and its only at the 50th minute...and the scoreline is likely to reach double figures
so u suggest the football match should end on the spot,because its pointless to continue?come to think of it,why dont they do so?precisely..rules,that people follow....

Just a question on the Dota Rules that you Dota "die hards" live by. Can you link them? Is it an official rule or set of rules that is sanctioned by all the cyber gamings leagues? I have played Dota before and there are no such rules during the loading screen, no rules expect for the one the map editors set for you to choose as the host when everyone in the game has finished with the loading screen.

I ask this because you guys mentioned the Dota Rules a lot early in this thread.

By the way. If you guys play in the CC or Internet so much, you never encounter people whose computers suddenly restart or have fatal errors like BSODs where it causes the player to suddenly leave?

Plus if you play often enough, I am sure you can spot the "leavers" by the nicks they use early on to kick them out before the host starts?

What gives you the right to pass judgement that someone deserves to get lynched by a mob? You feel its okay for people to beat up someone because of a game? So by your reckoning, if your team is losing and you(the said people who condone that leavers should be beaten up) are being insulted by your teammates cause you are the one that is causing the loss then you leave the game, automatically you deserved to get the crap beaten out of you?

I do see that they(the people who made the map) always say to have fun playing the game.

This post has been edited by Aisenhorn: Sep 8 2008, 09:13 PM

Scare to loose face punya pasal. haha. Enjoy see people fighting for DOTA.

So what does me misspelling Protoss and Terran means to you? I used to have respect based to you based on what you said earlier but I do not have any now. You mean you expect someone who have not been playing starcraft for a long time to spell those correctly? Oh my gosh. You must be the most immature person in the world. I mean when you have a debate with another person, do you look for small spelling mistakes just to prove that you are right? That really shows how insecure you are. I suggest you go and get some treatment. In that case, people in China cannot be physicist then because they cannot speak English well. How pathetic.

Did you even read my posts properly? I did not condemn the other games. In fact I said that people who are experts in Warcraft 3 are real geniuses. Their micro skills are so good that very few people can comprehend.

The teamwork that you require in other RTS is not as much as Dota. I mean come on, what kind of teamwork do you need to in StarCraft and Warcraft 3. If teamwork was so important, how come most starcraft tournaments and warcraft tournaments are 1 vs 1? Shouldn't tournaments be 3 vs 3 or something like that? Even if it is 3 vs 3. I am sure that in the start, those 3 players kind of have a plan on what to do and stick to the plan unless something goes amiss and they may have to switch to plan B. Do you think that at the start, those players actually interact with each other on what to build and such? Even at the later stage, if their plan has failed most likely they would have lost the game because their plan has actually failed. So you actually called that teamwork?

But in Dota, you have to have teamwork even at the beginning. You have to know what you are going to do based on the heroes that the opponent has. And teamwork is essential because a mistake by any member can cost the whole entire game at high level games. In Warcraft and Starcraft, it is more about micromanagement so that you get the best army. So am i not wrong to say that Warcraft and StarCraft is more about individual skills and Dota is more about teamwork? I dun know why you are so biased against Dota. You dun even know the mechanics of the game based on the fact that you lump those together with Warcraft and Starcraft. They are of a different genre. The game play is totally different. I dun know what the hell got into that tiny head of yours to say that they are similar. In Dota, you have to interact with the enemy at the go whereelse in Warcraft or Starcraft you build first and then you fight with the enemy. I mean how stupid can 1 get to say that they are similar when the game play is totally different. And what sickens me is that this guy has the urge to say that the faster you click in Dota, the better you are. Obviously, he must be playing warcraft 2 or something and mistake it for Dota.

ok, mayby i got the strategy for Starcraft wrong. Back then, when I played, what happens is that during those times those are the strategy that was being used.

And by the way, I am sure radkiller will agree with me on this. Even if you have many Zerg units, they are still weak. Zerg is known to be huge in numbers. You can actually spam your Zerg well but they are weak if you play them the conventional way. By saying that Zerg is weak based on their numbers shows how ignorant you are.

For radkiller strategy. Say for protoss. I build up my defence. Do you th ink that the scourge can actually come close to the carrier? From my experience, those scourge normally get destroyed before they even come close to the carrier. Obviously when you build your carrier, you are not going to neglect your defence rite?

When I am talking about Dark Templers I am obviously refering to Terrain because Terrain do not have any detectors until the later stage right? Unless you build those air missile things and build bunkers behind them. But dun tell me you are going to build your air missles everywhere. What is i send my transporter over an area whereby there is no air missile and concentrate on attacking your robots. As long as i put in even 2-3 dark templers inside the Terran base even if the rest dies, it is enough to wreck havoc. Dun you agree with me on that?

For Terrain, since I can use my robots to build anywhere and Terran is known for it's defence. I could just build bunkers near the enemies base. of course I have some backup troops to support. Then I build my tank behind those the bunkers. and after that once the bunkers are built, And after that I bring my tanks,ships and other reinforcement troops along. Dun you think that once i have the defence near the zerg based, I cannot even be touched? Do you think zerg can even get past Terrn in the later stage. I dun think so.

As I said I have not been playing this game for years and thus my strategy may be outdated. But do you think that I am accurate in what say?

I do play RTS game. But not competitively because playing 1 game competitively is already enough to ruin my life.

hmm,of course there is no written rules or anything
but its the trust,the believe,the practise that the dota community has created for dota.
im not creating this,but its a fact
its just like people hating leaver,scolding noob when people leave...etc etc
all these its not written,but its practised..
im not quite sure how to explain this to you
ermm...okay try this for example
im sure you do know what is backdoor, in dota
theres no such written rules like " you cant backdoor " but its understood among dota community that backdoor is somewhat againts the rules,not adviced to do so..or is being hated.
same goes for leavers..people hates them. put whacking asid, everyone hates leaver
and when everyone hates leaver...it somewhat becomes or creates a rule of anti leaver practise
does my explanation makes sense?
well,not to be bias in my post...in my area most people despise leavers...im not sure about yours
maybe different areas has diff believe



of course,we do know...ermm i supposed ure saying people get whack for this scenario as well?
no hell way~~ ive nv seen such thing happened b4



they changed nick everytime,especially if they know they did something wrong..but sometimes we can tell if that person had his nick changed



nice,proper and clear explanation.....but this you got to ask those that whacks people

I think it is obvious to everyone here that initially you were actually advocating violence to people who leave the game and it is obvious that you are not directing that to people who leave at the very start because very few people do that. Everyone here knows that. Everyone here knows the true meaning of what you were saying initially.

So tell me, the reason why they continue playing even after losing 9-0 is because they are obliged to play. If they decided to discontinue playing, they will be look upon in disgust. Do you think that those people after losing 9-0 can actually play actual football? Let me tell you something. They are just playing out of obligation. It is the same case with Lee Chong Wei. Do you think that he can actually play actual badminton after being trashed by Lin Dan? He is just playing out of obligation because he knows he is going to lose. He is thrashed. Do you think that he really wished to continue playing at that time? I am sure he really wished that the game will end immediately because everyone is watching him. So did you condemn him because he lost his heart after losing by a big score? Did you condemn him for giving up half way in the match? Do you know why teams lose 3-0 in the end even though the first goal was scored in the 70th minute? So are you going to condemn teams that loses by 3-0 because they did not play football for the last 20 minutes?

You always like to mention about playing competitively. So when a team get thrashed until like that. When you are playing against noobs you really enjoy yourself? Are you actually playing out of obligation or are you playing to release your stress and enjoy yourself. If your fellow teammates are noobs and they continue getting thrashed do you think you have the heart to continue? You cannot concede defeat to the other party because you are going to be bashed. You scold the other people in your team, But what can you do about those people who have no skill. The more you play the more frustrated you get. So the natural reaction is to leave.

You like following rules of Dota so much. Have you followed the rules of life as much? I bet you dun.