I nearly got into a fight once because of a few dotards aka retards. At that time, I was using doom. I dun think i really played in a noobish manner. But that idiot Gondar was already making trouble for me.

First of all, for one of the enemies, I level that hero and then doom that hero. At that time Gondar was chasing. But he did not managed to get the kill so he mock me by saying i should doom and level. He said want to teach me woh. I was thinking wat the , what is the difference between using a difference sequence. The overall effect is the same. But I just kept quiet because I know I do not want to stir too much emotion.

After that when chasing the enemy, I did not have enough mana to level that enemy, so I just chased after him because my mana was regenerating and i know i can level him. At that time Gondar was chasing as well. Gondar failed to kill and straight away he said that I am a noob because i did not cast my death fast enough. I told him straight away that I do not have the mana to cast at that time. After that we gang bang the enemy and I got a kill by casting death. I told them I am not so noob after all rite. I dun think i am being lansi for doing that. But I dun know why those gang took what i say by heart.

From now onwards, they keep on mocking me. When someone happen to gang bang me, they will say that I am a pro. But anyway we were pawning the opponent like hell. One of the team left because his side was closing so it was 4 vs 5. In the end we all lost because of numerical disadvantages in the end, but they started calling me noob and such. I was like what the. We lost the game 4 vs 5. We had a go at them and actually nearly won even 4 vs 5 and now you still want to insult me. I did not lanci. All I said was that I am not a noob because the other person was insulting me Anyway, I join other game and when 1 of those idiots join that game, call me a f***** noob and a f*****Korean because i used a Korean nick. Another of that so call gang join the game and started insulting me. He said that he is going to pawn me. I just kept quiet. I know that he is angry for "some"reason. When another person j oin at my side, ask me to get kick but I asked him back why he want to kick me. That guy i played with just throw words at me and said you should get kick because you are noobish. I then asked him why is he so angry with me. I did not insult him in anyway. Why must you be so pissed at me. Then he just say that talk too much. I told him that the reason why I said that I am not a noob is because that other person told me that I am a noob. Why do you need to get so upset with me. Then he just throw all kinds of profanities at me. I got upset and I insulted him by saying that do you have a proper job? The way you insulted me over a Dota game shows that you do not have a proper job. Then he said i know where you sit. If you are brave enough, remain at where you sit. I did not want to just leave like that because I feared for my life. I dun know what this idiot will do to me if i just leave.I do not want to cause a fight so I ask him why are you so upset with me. I did not do anything to insult you. Can you tell me what exactly I did to insult you. Then he just keep on saying do you want to fight. If want to fight come out and fight la. Then the other people also were saying that we should settle this outside and not continue here. So in the end I said no and just kept quiet while this idiot was being hypocritical and saying that he wanted to play peacefully and i was causing trouble for him.

I wanted to leave halfway in this game but seeing a psycho there, i rather not because it would give him to excuse to whack me up. After I finish the game, I waited for a few minutes, and leave after that because i really do not want to get hurt in anyway.

This is the experience that I want to share with you guys.

I was not trying to debate with him. In fact, when they insulted me initially, i did not talk much except to defend myself. but after that when they ignore me and keep on making fun of me I just shut my mouth. I did joke around saying that hey i am not a noob rite? They gang bang me and yet I was able to run away. Hahaha

I talk reason with ppl but i can also sense that at that time ppl do not want to listen to reason so i just shut my mouth because i know it is going to get worse.

Of course I would not be so stupid to go and join their game the 2nd time. I join another game, but that person happen to join that game and there was no other games going around. From my experience, in fact i was now his opponent. I would not want to play with him. I did not know that someone will take a Dota game so seriously and cause a stir especially since i am his opponent. I know that ppl get angry but there is a fine line between getting angry and getting out of control rite. If someone can get out of control even if he had a bad day, then mentally he is not very stable in the first place. That is why i said time and again that such people should be lock up and not be allowed in public places. At that time I just wanted to play another game and I thought he was just being childish by making comments like that at me and that is why i stayed because i just wanted to play a game. If I knew that he was so unstable,mentally ill, I would have left the game immediately and leave the place. I am sure that in that story, i did mention that i wanted to leave halfway but preferred not to because i dun want to get hurt.

When a noob plays a game he has already spoilt the entire game for his team. His team most likely will be cursing him all the time. In fact I am sure that you have seen cases whereby the noob is asked to leave the game. so by the fact that a noob joins, he has already spoilt the game for his team and indirectly for the rest of the others because the the team cannot play competitively because of this noob. When we play a game, we play to win. But the winning gets sweater if we win against a creditable opponent. That is the reason why Dota is so addictive is because that feeling of win is so thrilling. A noob affects the game since start. And you cannot tell the opponent, oh please finish the game fast at the start rite? I ask this and I ask again. Do you feel good by thrashing the opponent the entire time if the opponent has no skill?

Dun you think that a forum will not be such an interesting place if someone just say something and everyone just say yes. I am not trying to stir up trouble here just by purposely telling Demonicangel my own views. Those views are sincerely my views and I just want ppl to look at leavers in another view of light.

Your last statement also shows how irresponsible you are. If that person can beat you because you leave a game, that same person will beat another person up in the future. His mental state is messed up and he should be locked up forever and not be allowed out. This same person will also beat up another guy if that guy knock into his car accidently or even if that guy keep on horning him this guy will have the risk of getting hurt. If you see such a person in cc, you should call the police immediately and try to get a few others to stop the fight. If you condone this you are as bad as the person who fights.

A person who is mature in his thought would not have said the things which you said that a person who leaves deserve punishment. There is so many other things that deserve your attention. Why must you go and get pissed over a meaningless game whereby the conclusion has already been decided.

if mean u knock his car accidental ,then you shouldent be beaten
but if u knock his car on purpose.
he is not justify to beat you
it is unlawful for him to beat u
but if he really come beat u.
i maybe will help you
but i wont pity u
and say u dai sei

Well, then I guess in your eyes, Dota is your life. When someone irritates you or break the rules in Dota, that person is justified to beat up another person. You compare a person who leave the game with a person who actually purposely knocks into another person's car? I am just trying to let you guys know that this guy who beats a leaver because he gets irritated will do the same thing if someone knocks his car accidently. I guess Dota has eaten so much into a person's head that they cannot think with any sense anymore. You really never get the meaning of my posts do you when i am trying to highlight that a person who beats another person up over leaving is actually a monster.

I have already highlighted the effects of noobs in a game and i dun want to do so again.

Justify to leave as in because of the rules of Dota. If you like to waste your time and play for a lost cause then please do. In fact Dota should change the rules to allow people to concede defeat if the other person can prove that there is no chance of winning or there are noobs who is affecting the game. Mayby you should follow this and be more gracious when someone concedes defeat if he has a reasonable reason.

And to GrandElf, to me a good gamer is a gamer with the right skill set regardless of whether he follows the rules or not. If you follow all the rules and you dun have the skills you are still a noob in my eyes. I will not look upon highly on you just because you follow the rules.