partly agree,partly disagree
agreed on anti-brute force,that is out of the mind.
disagree on people leaving freely,why:
if uve play dota long enough,i believe u know that we game by a set of rules
"the so called DOTA rules"which is set up by the MAJORITY of the dota community..where when u play,you dont leave as you like,you complete the game then u leave
unless you have a valid reason to leave..(at least inform all the opposition/allies thats the least u can do)
emergency leave?what are the odds?,well..im not saying theres no possibility..but the odds are low
mostly are leavers for real.
you dont leave a game and spoil the game for the remaining 9 players,thats selfish basket
must as well dont play

like i said and also silencestorm88
dota has become so popular that there are rules for it...these rules are made, brought and practised by MAJORITY of the dota players around us,when ure in a game, you finished it..thats the rules of it..simple as that
its hard for me to explain if u dont get what i mean,a TRUE dota player will only understand this
it has nth to do with the money thing....you dont see ppl scolding/fighting in other game such as fifa/counsterstrike/rpg games...except for dota in particular,get the picture?
to be honest,if i see people whacking others in DOTA with a valid reason,valid reason here means people that fail to live by the rules of dota....ill close 1 eye and and say...DAI SEI

you mean this?
sorry,your whole essay is kinda messy...so i dont even know which is your key points 

if its not
ive already madee my last stand in my last post...now ive read your whole post,did u read mine?

okay obviously u nv read my post well enough,im not saying u did not..but not clear enough
i nv said everyone deserves whacking..i only said "certain type of leavers" like i mentioned in my previous post
the act of constantly leaving for fun....did u read this?i assume u did not since u nv mentioned anything about it.
Is this sufficient to your understanding?u sound asthough ure putting words in my mouth asthough im saying everyone deserved whacking...read carefully,if you want to debate
likewise. if ure serious, ill also be serious..commitement in debate,you cant blame me for that
by opening this thread itself..you already mean serious discussion,dont you?otherwise u wouldnt even bother opening this thread
further ellaborting about the rules,you yourself is living by the rules.....i assume ure not a leaver with the way u stand up for yourself 
WHY when people leave onlypeople start cursing bad words like cb,f***,noob etc etc? why dont they just ignore it,like you also said,ull be piss..its because people despise leavers and thats a fact
when i mentioned "so called rules" i dont mean real written rules BUT RULES PRACTISED by majority of dota players,and thats a fact.
its like a hidden rules that most of the long term dota community "pandai pandai tahu" its like in them already
people practised to stay in a game till the end...thats a fact.so u get the rules which i have been stressing?
if you dont know about all this,then i start to have doubts about u
this im not able to answer you,ure like asking me,why isnt everyone in this world smart,why are there stupid ppl
probably the best suited answer to your question is that
everyone is different,everyone has different attitudes,characteristics...values
thats what make us all unique

sport?i believe that wasnt mentioned by me...you need not ellaborate that much as that party aka silencestorm probably has no interest in debating

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Added on September 4, 2008, 12:29 amsince the 1st post i made..i mentioned valid reason
yes i nv deny i did mentioned that leavers should get whack,which post of mine stated that i denied?i dont mind u quoting me..for my mistake,just do it
but i justify what type of leavers..or what type of act should be punished
but u keep on mentioning leavers leavers leavers. 
leavers can be classified into so many types..i stated which typed in my previous post...read it
zzzzzz

ill rest my case on this,if u continue to question me w/o reading my post carefull
ill give up

on 2nd thought i dont think this will end,im sure ure firmly holding your stand on nobody should get whacking
i differ a lil,i stress that i wouldnt mind certain retards in dota get whacked..thou i dont encourage it to happen
but ill respect and acknowledge your stand...game over 
i damn lazy to post every 10minutes..u win lar..ive made any stand i possibly can make
the rest is for u to read and decide...

okay obviously u nv read my post well enough,im not saying u did not..but not clear enough
i nv said everyone deserves whacking..i only said "certain type of leavers" like i mentioned in my previous post
the act of constantly leaving for fun....did u read this?i assume u did not since u nv mentioned anything about it.
Is this sufficient to your understanding?u sound asthough ure putting words in my mouth asthough im saying everyone deserved whacking...read carefully,if you want to debate

i somehow agree with him that some people really deserve to be wack.
some1 say in a post that if 1 thief comes into your house you shouldent wack him?
wat if he come in wif weapon and may harm ur family. i will say wack him till death.

i understand that there is no need to wack a person juz cos he leaves a game.
but if the person lanci liao then asking for fight.
when i see him get wack i will surely wont pity him too.(doesnt mean i support violence , i will juz say dai sei.)

i agree with quick that u see less fighting in other games but for dota cos after leaver,u got more often of disadvantages then advantages.

some 1 also say dota is more like a sports now.(partly agree)
u even see footballers fighting with each other during match.
but if u wanna play dota . then pls have a game moral.
for watever reason try finish the game .
either by wining it or losing it.

what measn by true dota player.
i think what it means there is game spirit.
when u watch football.
if a team get wack 5-0 b4 half time.
can they say they give up playing 2nd half and walk away?

but it is not nesseary for you to wack him.
if u wack him cos he leave dota then u are nothing better then him.
but i believe there is exception. .etc he insult ur family.(this a cannot tolerate)
then this guy deserve to be wack
by the means of giving him a lesson.
some people really learn the hard way.

cos some1 say no matter wat also cannot wack a ppl even if is a thief that come in ur hse.
but i scare if the thief comes to ur hse,u will see law punish him up above.

ok ,then let say normal game.
when u come play we have expectation rite
in dota we expect the game to be finish.
if u ajak fren play football ,my expectation wil be example play for 1 hour.
but play 10 min my opponent 1 by 1 say wan go bc?
play with ghost a?

but i believe there is exception. .etc he insult ur family.(this a cannot tolerate)
then this guy deserve to be wack
by the means of giving him a lesson.
some people really learn the hard way.

but i wan stress tat u get leavers no matter in net game or cc game
juz take it easy. cos we really got nothin can do
jus no body likes a game with leavers.

whether leavers deserve to be wack?
no they dont.
ppl that get wack is not cos they are leavers but other reason on top of being leavers.

i somehow agree with him that some people really deserve to be wack.

ZZZ...

I guess you misunderstood my statement.

I said, you can capture the thief, but you cannot wack him AFTER YOU CAPTURED HIM.

If you happen to beat him, hit him with anything in order to:
1, Capture him
2, getting back your stuff
3, Defending yourself.

It's legal.
However, after he is being captured (being tied up or something).

If you beat him, you will get sued for injured people.
If you killed him... sorry, you will get sued for murder.

Hm...

Well, just want to emphasize wacking people is bad...

i somehow agree with him that some people really deserve to be wack.

wack ppl is bad.

but depend on ur intention

a small wack can teach some1 a lesson sometimes.

but never with the intention of getting ppl injured .

i somehow agree with him that some people really deserve to be wack.