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 Moderator Ianho abusing power!, Try to cover up by deleting my posts.

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post Aug 23 2008, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:04 AM)
Okay then, I guess this thread serves as a "reason" why a mod is called out and reported.

The accused mod has yet to come in to his defense.

EDIT: I'm sorry that issues like this are considered crap to you. Shows how much this forum meant to you, or its privileges/benefits. Some of us do care about this forum. I have other things to do too, but brushing it off as something trivial may just work just like brushing it under the carpet.
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Well, honestly look at how long it's taking you people to understand the simple freaking functions of seperate forums. I mean, how else can it be classified?

It's been easily over 2 hours and people are still saying that it was the right forum to post a complaint/call out/whatever you want to call it against a mod. Well, gee whiz, if it takes that long for people to understand that you post relevant topics in the appropriate forum, what the heck else can you call it other than crap without being profane?

This has been so far a complete waste of time.

Now, get past the whoooooooooooole threads closed, complaints deleted stuff as that's all irrelevant and start again. What is your complaint against Ianho?

eta: Oh yay, goldy's here. Baton pass!

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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Aug 22 2008, 11:35 PM)
That's no longer the same case as the one brought up at the start of this thread? You said, "Moderator ianho, is now actively denying my posts from being posted. He is deleting every post that had his actions exposing his childish acts of belittling Terapox during his attempts at reviving his iPhone."

Your threads were closed, yeah, and ianho did it. Fine. If he didn't do it, someone else would have, they were in the wrong forum. If your deleted posts were of the same nature featuring the same points, they would have been removed aswell, again, wrong forum.

As to your deleted post and issues outside of those pointed out in your first post, I wouldn't know, I don't check the deleted posts. But, for future reference, if you post in the wrong forum and have your post/thread removed, don't cry conspiracy, it's going to happen.
Name of mods, time and date, and name of thread, file a report or pm an admin. Any posts deleted can be viewed by admins. If you can't provide the information, your claims are invalid.

You know our motives? You don't know squat. I didn't become a mod to have my way, I was asked and accepted. Most if not all of the current mod team were asked to be mods, we didn't ask for the job, it was offered to us.

We are trying to be politicians? ROFL, that's rich.

We don't champion free speech. I personally have been trying to tell you people that you don't have free speech in Malaysia and that this is a private forum where you signed away your free speech.

rolleyes.gif  You know what, troll elsewhere, we're not here to entertain trolls.
Again, based on the first post of this thread, the claims were that his threads were closed as a personal act against him by ianho. This cannot be validated because he posted his threads in the WRONG FORUM. If you post in the wrong forum, you get your post removed.

The one deserving an apology is the guy on the recieving end of Ianho's joke, he has (as far as I know) yet to file a report or request for Ianho's apology.
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Your reaction is wrong , over the top and totally out of context.

And if you ask me to explain why , I direct to re-read properly again.


Added on August 23, 2008, 12:25 am
QUOTE(Squidward @ Aug 23 2008, 12:07 AM)
i agree. nevertheless, the admins will see this thread very soon. i hope the right action will be taken.


Added on August 23, 2008, 12:08 am

quoted just in case mod modifies his post
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Yep , look at his reaction to my post and it wasn't even direct at him .


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eh... wait..gogo2

how does a photographer making things worst doh.gif

Any logic sense?

2nd, I didn't side to ianho at all.

3rd, I didn't side to TS

4th, I didn't side to anyone.

I explained about LIFE
I explained that hearing one sided comment/complaint is not fair.

Does this makes things worst?

I'm patiently waiting ianho to come in. If he's wrong, yes, he's wrong. If he's right, then he's right.

Just as simple as that.

Don't make things complicated already.
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post Aug 23 2008, 12:27 AM

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Well look at the content of the post, I dont see anyone getting the brunt end of the post other than him?

As for proof, we all as a common member are all deprived of any proof done by the moderators here. There are no transparencies, and all acts are done "to whatever discretion" that person in power holds, and what's more, WE DONT KNOW who did it because there arent any breadcrumbs to follow. There is no post like "I am deleting this because......" from the deleting person of power, the pleasantries works both way. Also, if I am out of my way on this, shouldnt someone of higher wisdom and patience like the esteemed moderating team here point it out? Instead of moderating and disappear? That person TOO could have just come out and explain what he or she is doing so that all things can be sorted out. The procedures you moderators go through are not made known here (obviously for good reasons), but when things are bound to get ugly like this, a simple PM could have saved the day. And it would not have been degrading if the moderating person to PM a common folk like me, in fact I'd welcome it rather than proceed to make things uglier. Agreed?

True, no proof WHO did it, and I suspect nobody will come forward and admit that he did it. The "lack of proof" mantra has been the cornerstone of the "invincibility cloak" many have used throughout the ages to disprove their misdeeds and kept their grip on power. Nothing new here.

As I have expected, the resolution is this. I am, still apparently in the wrong. Do as you wish, I believe I have been civil and appropriate until I was pushed into the corner with this debacle. If I have not, then I have my reasons.

I too believe that the people here have spoken too. Whatever the resolution is, they all know what had happened, and what could have happened when you cross another moderator and his power. This may be a first post for me here in this section, but "there wouldnt be smoke if there are not traces of fire".
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Very disappointing after reading all the MODs reply, please face the problem.
TS already clearly stating the complaint against ianho in the first post.
Looking forward to the admins respond. smile.gif

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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Aug 23 2008, 12:20 AM)
eta: Oh yay, goldy's here. Baton pass!


aiyah no need baton pass.

actually i'm aware of this like 6 hrs back, just that the things look so crazy (and stupid) I just decide to let it ride for a while.

from what i see, (as i mentioned earlier)

i see at least 3 counts of offense from stringfellow, and 1 count of accusation with no proof or at least I've yet to see any proof that is concrete enough to point that ianho was the one involved and that the person (whoever he / she was) was abusing power.

count of offense from whoever that moderator? ehhh i see a moderator doing his / her job invisibling a post that's not supposed to be there. stringfellow probably not clever enough or too caught up with his agenda to realize that it's at the wrong section and there's already a dedicated section for complaints. laugh.gif

why did all the threads appear again? looks to me like stringfellow is so persistent, the moderator decide to let it be and give stringfellow what he wanted............
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It doesnt matter to me already, because I can see where all this is going already. So you can just be done with this thread, slap me a bad guy( or a BADDER GUY ) tag, and we move on with our lives. I'm happy to know that some of the incredulity and ridiculousness of the moderating examples we have in this forum is brought to light for everyone to see, and that they take heed that it would not happen to them.

Moral of the story: Never cross a moderator, instead, just agree with him. It will save you a lot of your troubles, even if you know it was not fair to begin with. I dont have to point out that there are others who share the same sentiment with me.

Have a good night, sleep tight with that conscience under your pillow.
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post Aug 23 2008, 12:35 AM

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You mods or staff or whatever u call yourself are incredible..really..amazing. I'm so totally amazed how you guys handle things..

Impressive...most IMPRESSIVE.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:32 AM)
It doesnt matter to me already, because I can see where all this is going already. So you can just be done with this thread, slap me a bad guy( or a BADDER GUY ) tag, and we move on with our lives. I'm happy to know that some of the incredulity and ridiculousness of the moderating examples we have in this forum is brought to light for everyone to see, and that they take heed that it would not happen to them.

Moral of the story: Never cross a moderator, instead, just agree with him. It will save you a lot of your troubles, even if you know it was not fair to begin with. I dont have to point out that there are others who share the same sentiment with me.

Have a good night, sleep tight with that conscience under your pillow.
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well mate you just have to know not all mod are bad, and not all mod are good, you just have to live with it =)

else the brainwashing games begin, you'll never win =P
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:27 AM)
As for proof, we all as a common member are all deprived of any proof done by the moderators here. There are no transparencies, and all acts are done "to whatever discretion" that person in power holds, and what's more, WE DONT KNOW who did it because there arent any breadcrumbs to follow. There is no post like "I am deleting this because......" from the deleting person of power, the pleasantries works both way.


QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:27 AM)
True, no proof WHO did it, and I suspect nobody will come forward and admit that he did it. The "lack of proof" mantra has been the cornerstone of the "invincibility cloak" many have used throughout the ages to disprove their misdeeds and kept their grip on power. Nothing new here.


this is good enough to say that you spent the past 6 hours falsely accusing ianho, or at least accusing him without sufficient evidence...... and all this for your own wrong-doing.


QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:27 AM)
Also, if I am out of my way on this, shouldnt someone of higher wisdom and patience like the esteemed moderating team here point it out? Instead of moderating and disappear? That person TOO could have just come out and explain what he or she is doing so that all things can be sorted out. The procedures you moderators go through are not made known here (obviously for good reasons), but when things are bound to get ugly like this, a simple PM could have saved the day.


you're in the forum long enough to know that threads opened at inapproriate places can be deleted / moved. whichever the moderator deem fit.

you could've approach any of the moderator to seek clarification but you didn't.


QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:27 AM)
a simple PM could have saved the day.


it's funny that you're the one saying this, a simple PM from YOU could've spared yourself from looking silly right now.


QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:27 AM)
And it would not have been degrading if the moderating person to PM a common folk like me, in fact I'd welcome it rather than proceed to make things uglier. Agreed?


they can but they're not required to do so.

you're in the forum long enough to know that threads opened at inapproriate places can be deleted / moved. whichever the moderator deem fit.

are you expecting King's treatment?

as if the thread went missing wasn't a good enough indicator?


QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:27 AM)
As I have expected, the resolution is this. I am, still apparently in the wrong. Do as you wish, I believe I have been civil and appropriate until I was pushed into the corner with this debacle. If I have not, then I have my reasons.


actually you could've safeguard yourself if you had the common sense to lodge a complaint while following forum R&R.

you just choose not to.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:32 AM)
It doesnt matter to me already, because I can see where all this is going already. So you can just be done with this thread, slap me a bad guy( or a BADDER GUY ) tag, and we move on with our lives. I'm happy to know that some of the incredulity and ridiculousness of the moderating examples we have in this forum is brought to light for everyone to see, and that they take heed that it would not happen to them.

Moral of the story: Never cross a moderator, instead, just agree with him. It will save you a lot of your troubles, even if you know it was not fair to begin with. I dont have to point out that there are others who share the same sentiment with me.

Have a good night, sleep tight with that conscience under your pillow.
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Moral of the story: Post in the right forum and post your actual complaint instead of calling conspiracy without proof or understanding of how things work. That way you don't spend hours going round in circles and you have a heck of a lot less trolls wasting everyone's time popping in.
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1. If ianho disappear, everyone in the public wouldn't be reading what you've wrote in the iphone subforum. Isn't transparency is what you are seeking of and ianho is here to comply with your demand since you've brought up the dispute in the correct channel - helpdesk. Nobody delete your post in the first place. With your post invisible, admin/mods can look into it in the future if any dispute arise which is what happening now. So far what ianho did is by the book...
QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 22 2008, 05:21 PM)
EDIT: Closed threads are re-activated back again, to again give the impression that I am spamming. Please be advised.
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...not this.
Again, you did in fact spam just to get the mod's attention which is consider a troll behaviour when you should have done it in the helpdesk. Do you realize that or you chose to ignore it?

2. Now the only way to resolve this issue is wait till the Admins come into play. ianho coming out now wouldn't help much since both of you've made enough "accusation" on each other in the iphone subforum. There will only be more of "your word" vs "his word". I am sure the Admins would do their best and not mistreat anyone, given that there is any valid reason.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 22 2008, 05:41 PM)
And I'm having to re-close the threads I've opened to expose him, that he had deleted repeatedly, and now reactivating them. And people wonder why I lost faith in the mods here?
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*reason why I am posting here.
3. We definitely have a set of rules & guideline that need follow when it comes to moderating, how well a moderator execute it is different story.
You've made your point that nobody is paying you to help the community so don't expect any smile out of you (...and be rude?) but I do hope you would do the same and stop generalizing while treating us like real politician. Nobody is paying us either and the moderating team is fairly large, we do not think alike and we certainly are not all friends.


QUOTE(sheahann @ Aug 22 2008, 09:09 PM)
most of the mod the same ...
malaysian potato .. KNNBACCB-KNNBACCB =0 smile.gif ....
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Post like this is exactly what will not only delay the investigation but worsen the case. Imagine pages of kopitiam material Admins have to go through before finding out the real deal. Those who is not involved, please keep out of this thread unless you have anything constructive to add. This is not kopitiam.
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How do things work actually?

Who did moderate those threads?

Who did deleted my posts?

More at 11. Or not.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:32 AM)
Moral of the story: Never cross a moderator, instead, just agree with him. It will save you a lot of your troubles, even if you know it was not fair to begin with. I dont have to point out that there are others who share the same sentiment with me.


you're making it look as if you're in this predicament because you crossed a mod.

seriously, look at the # of offenses you made.

action was taken because you done something inappropriate, that's all. you're making it look as if we've amputated your leg without informing you.

QUOTE(davidgary73 @ Aug 23 2008, 12:35 AM)
You mods or staff or whatever u call yourself are incredible..really..amazing. I'm so totally amazed how you guys handle things..

Impressive...most IMPRESSIVE.


if you can't post something better or constructive, please refrain from doing so.

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How are we supposed to provide date and time ? when the post is already deleted ? and how do we know which Mod is the culprit if there is more than 1 on the section ?

If we start to point fingers then we will again be accused of " attacking the wrong person " .

1 note : I for 1 don't believe for 1 second that all the mods were " asked " , i can just see from the way some behave and the way they angle their posts , that they were aiming for the mods spot all the way from day 1.

People who like to abuse power normally plan a long long way out cause end of the day very few people respect them.
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Aug 23 2008, 12:38 AM)
So far what ianho did is by the book...

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I'm not siding with anyone here but you're saying Ian Ho is the one who did it?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 23 2008, 12:39 AM)
How do things work actually?

Who did moderate those threads?

Who did deleted my posts?

More at 11. Or not.
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It's really simple.

Generally posts or threads posted in the wrong forum will be closed, deleted(invis'd) or moved. I personally just close. 9/10 times, the poster figures out why his thread was removed or closed as it's really common sense. Posting a complaint in the Iphone forum, kinda obvious.

No idea, doesn't really matter? Who ever was there at the time.

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More at 11? Nanda?
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Simple question.

Who moderated the threads and deleted my posts?

I can understand WHY the threads are moderated, but why the posts were constantly deleted?

This post:-

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Eh Mr, Moderator, that was just a free advice, nothing to blow your lid off lah. It was there since 1.1.1 , since the days od iPhone EDge , ONE year ago.

I did not say I know everything, but perhaps those NOOBS go to you because they know if they post it in here, they get the usual "learn up or shut up" treatment. Just because you are not here often, let me tell you how it is, since you are not always around here. If it is once or twice that these NOOBS come in here for help, it is understandable, but questions that can simply be answered by looking at Apple's own iPhone page (you're buying an iPhone, you're using an iPhone, where else should you refer to buy the Apple iPhone webpage? doh.gif), or simple Search in this very own thread YOU are moderating. Are you not advocating the usage of YOUR OWN forum and using the SEARCH feature YOUR FORUM have implemented that YOU, as a MODERATOR should encourage those NOOBS to use? shakehead.gif

What's even more APPALING here is your treatment to this guy who had asked for help in this thread:-

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/772437

The guy was asking for help to revive his dead iPhone and all you have to say is this:-

QUOTE(ianho @ Aug 21 2008, 09:40 PM)
All ur iPhone is belong to us. laugh.gif  Since it's dead oredi, sell for rm500 we take immediately, cash payment.
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QUOTE(gpsp @ Aug 21 2008, 09:43 PM)
I offer RM600!  tongue.gif
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which resulted in people joining in the fun YOU INSTIGATED, while happily watching the guy suffer in his failures of fixing his iPhone.

QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Aug 21 2008, 09:58 PM)
guys, please don't add posts such as purchasing his phone etc.
he is already stressful enough and will not appreciate jokes like that.
just give him some space will ya?


Added on August 21, 2008, 10:00 pmbe a little bit more sympathetic especially from the very senior members. stuffs like that are meant to be joked or flamed.
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Not until Nokia had come in and put YOU, A MODERATOR, in your place, by teaching you not to pick on the poor guy, that you had stopped your chidings.

NOW, who the hell should have the right to remain silent here and not to abuse people YOU DEEMED AS EASY PICKINGS?

Idiot.


That post was supposed to be posted after Ianho posted his on this thread after Post #1784. Why delete this post?

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Aug 23 2008, 12:41 AM)
I'm not siding with anyone here but you're saying Ian Ho is the one who did it?
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I am not sure, but isn't Ianho the moderator you guys are after now? I am only a moderator taking care of xbox subforum.
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Aug 23 2008, 12:44 AM)
I am not sure, but isn't Ianho the moderator you guys are after now? I am only a moderator taking care of xbox subforum.
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Then why did you say he did it by the book if you don't know he's the one?

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