So... Essentially you're unhappy he posted and decided to go post something about it in the wrong forum, it then got closed so you figured you'd open a new thread everytime the one before it got closed?

1) It's called a joke.
2) If you have an issue bring it up with the mod in question, here or directly with an admin. Posting a thread in the wrong forum will get it closed, whether or not it was a "cover up(rofl, cover up, what is this, csi?)" is irrelevant. Spamming new threads in the wrong forum because your last one got closed is the wrong way to do it, and quite frankly it pisses us off. Try to be a lil smarter about things next time.

Gee, that's alot to reply to. Let's see, where to start...

I hate him now? How's that? Because I've never met or talked to him before, I magically hate him all of a sudden?

And you're saying that based on what knowledge? None? Right, figures.
FYI, I don't personally know any of the other mods, staff or admins, I've never talked with any of them face to face and have never phoned/sms'd any of them. I don't talk with ianho outside of moderation issues, I don't know his msn or email. So no, not all mods are friends, they're acquaintances. Since your comment was based solely on the false assumption that I was his friend, your argument is fail. I'm not helping him when he's getting bombarded, I'm simply pointing out the flaws in Stringfellow's approach to the situation and how he could have handled the situation better and that if you post in the wrong forum, your thread is going to get closed.

Lol, if you demand justice, I demand you post in a more intelligent manner.
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And why did you think it'd be okay to post your complaint against him in the WRONG FORUM? Post it here, where it's supposed to be posted. That way, your thread doesn't get killed and you don't have to be annoying to all the mods by spamming threads in the WRONG FORUM.

The issue at hand isn't why he deleted your posts, he did it because that's his job on this forum. The removal of threads which are out of sync with the regulations of the forum they are posted in. Common sense people, if you post in the wrong forum, your thread is going to get removed.
If you bring up the same issue that you did in your closed thread in another thread in the WRONG FORUM, it'll be removed.
This isn't rocket science, you post in the wrong forum, your post go byebye.

Your point is invalid because you're basing it on his removal of your posts/threads which were posted in the WRONG FORUM. Whether I like you or not is irrelevant, I'm all for the removal of bad eggs from our nest, but if you can't bring your case forward in the right way, then OBVIOUSLY, you're not going to see the results you want.

In the same way, convicted child rapists are usually looked at first when a child is raped, we look at people who cause problems more often first. I personally carry forward past experiences with people I interact with to future events. Common trait in all humans I think.

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Yeah, so it's a joke and you get angry fine. But that doesn't give you the right to break forum rules as and when you think you're justified. It's still a joke, this is still the internet where people are expected to have skin thicker than that of a 6 year old school girl. If the guy who was on the recieving end of the joke was unhappy, he could have pm'd ianho and ianho would most likely have apologized both privately in pm and in the thread. But to my knowledge he didn't.

Really? My understanding of local law is that there's no freedom of speech in Malaysia. That's an American thing. This forum is privately owned, so you don't really have freedom of speech here either.

In that case, can I ask you to leave this discussion aswell? You've added virtually nothing which aids in the resolution of the case and all your posts have been biased against the moderating team. Worse yet is that your bias is based on baseless assumptions, you're not helping.

At the same time, I'm going to ask everyone who's just posting "MOD UNFAIR!" or "Mods all biased" or that kind of thing to stop posting here, if you want to post, be constructive. This isn't the kopitiam, it's the feedback forum, we're trying to resolve specific issues with specific individuals, not let you take out your political(or personal) frustrations on the moderating team.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 22 2008, 10:24 PM

I'm not a friend of ianho's, I don't talk to him. I'm a moderator, but that doesn't affect my judgement? You assumed that we're all friends, we're not. I don't talk with most of the mods at all. I can in the same way say that you're biased against us because you're a fellow Malaysian.

I don't know if that actually constitutes flamebaiting? I've had alot of similar posts in the health forum which were posted as jokes and taken as jokes. Again, if the one on the recieving end of the joke didn't approve, he could very easily ask for an apology or report ianho via the report button. Anyone of you could have, and if you felt it necessary, should have.
Just fyi, most of us who have experience with American forums will agree that it was a joke. Maybe a little badly timed, but a joke nonetheless.

The problem arises when an individual magically thinks he's above the forum's rules and decides to post whatever he wants wherever he wants. Had he brought the issue up here first instead of in the iphone forum(is it called that? w/e you know what I mean), his threads wouldn't have been removed. Whether or not ianho removed his threads is irrelevant aswell as any mod with the capacity to remove threads in that forum would have done so as they were posted in the wrong forum.

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And this applies to everyone: In the same way you members expect us to respond to your problems and issues with the forum(whether it be with the staff, mods, w/e), we expect you to go through the right channels when seeking resolutions to problems.

I have no problems watching a mod get the boot if he deserves it, like I said, we chat on the forums, that's about as far is it goes for me interms of relationships. Some are closer then others, that's normal, but I'll just as happily take actions against them as I would you should I have to. In the same way, if I get the boot for going too far over the line, I'll have no qualms about it.

I guess it's all about our morals.

BTW: I'm going to ask again that people who aren't posting constructive posts toward this specific issue to refrain from posting in this thread. If you have a different issue, open your own thread, that will allow both you and the OP of this thread to gain equal attention from us. It will also allow us to respond in a more timely manner, cause I probably missed like half the posts between my first post in this thread to this post.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 22 2008, 10:46 PM

His thread wasn't deleted? It was closed, his posts in the other threads may have been deleted, but that'd be because he was off topic.
His threads were closed because they were in the wrong forum(well, whether or not that is the reason is irrelevant anyway, the threads were in the wrong forum and would have been closed by any other mod passing by).

If the reason is unaccepted, well what can I say... If you go to the Firedepartment to file a murder report, they're not going to entertain you are they?

There's no apology necessary to the TS of this thread, the only one who should recieve an apology would be the one on the recieving end of the joke, assuming he didn't see it as a joke and wants an apology.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 22 2008, 11:03 PM

That's no longer the same case as the one brought up at the start of this thread? You said, "Moderator ianho, is now actively denying my posts from being posted. He is deleting every post that had his actions exposing his childish acts of belittling Terapox during his attempts at reviving his iPhone."

Your threads were closed, yeah, and ianho did it. Fine. If he didn't do it, someone else would have, they were in the wrong forum. If your deleted posts were of the same nature featuring the same points, they would have been removed aswell, again, wrong forum.

As to your deleted post and issues outside of those pointed out in your first post, I wouldn't know, I don't check the deleted posts. But, for future reference, if you post in the wrong forum and have your post/thread removed, don't cry conspiracy, it's going to happen.



Name of mods, time and date, and name of thread, file a report or pm an admin. Any posts deleted can be viewed by admins. If you can't provide the information, your claims are invalid.

You know our motives? You don't know squat. I didn't become a mod to have my way, I was asked and accepted. Most if not all of the current mod team were asked to be mods, we didn't ask for the job, it was offered to us.

We are trying to be politicians? ROFL, that's rich.

We don't champion free speech. I personally have been trying to tell you people that you don't have free speech in Malaysia and that this is a private forum where you signed away your free speech.

You know what, troll elsewhere, we're not here to entertain trolls.

Again, based on the first post of this thread, the claims were that his threads were closed as a personal act against him by ianho. This cannot be validated because he posted his threads in the WRONG FORUM. If you post in the wrong forum, you get your post removed.

The one deserving an apology is the guy on the recieving end of Ianho's joke, he has (as far as I know) yet to file a report or request for Ianho's apology.

[/QUOTE][quote=stringfellow,Aug 22 2008, 11:24 PM]
I have been battling his constant deletion of my post in the iPhone Club Version 7 thread, and my attempts at making a new thread calling out his actions have been deleted and suppressed. THAT is why you see multiple posts made by me, in the iPhone club Version 7 thread, and THAT is why there are multiple threads calling him out. I have even posted it and tried moderate it close (since thread starter can do that), but he kept on opening it back, trying to make it look like I am spamming.

I have then managed, after he had gone tired of trying to suppress my posts, to clean up and close the multiple threads HE THEN LET RESURFACED, and also the posts in iPhone Club Version 7 Thread. Not a single attempt by him to explain his actions, nor remorse and a cleanup thereafter. I did the cleanup the best I could, as much as a normal forum member could.

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Sigh, let's clear this up...
All your deleted posts and closed threads essentially contained: [QUOTE]Moderator ianho, is now actively denying my posts from being posted. He is deleting every post that had his actions exposing his childish acts of belittling Terapox during his attempts at reviving his iPhone. This is the post I'm trying to post, which he constantly deletes to stop people from knowing his wrongdoings.

[quote]Eh Mr, Moderator, that was just a free advice, nothing to blow your lid off lah. It was there since 1.1.1 , since the days od iPhone EDge , ONE year ago.

I did not say I know everything, but perhaps those NOOBS go to you because they know if they post it in here, they get the usual "learn up or shut up" treatment. Just because you are not here often, let me tell you how it is, since you are not always around here. If it is once or twice that these NOOBS come in here for help, it is understandable, but questions that can simply be answered by looking at Apple's own iPhone page (you're buying an iPhone, you're using an iPhone, where else should you refer to buy the Apple iPhone webpage? ), or simple Search in this very own thread YOU are moderating. Are you not advocating the usage of YOUR OWN forum and using the SEARCH feature YOUR FORUM have implemented that YOU, as a MODERATOR should encourage those NOOBS to use?

What's even more APPALING here is your treatment to this guy who had asked for help in this thread:-

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/772437

The guy was asking for help to revive his dead iPhone and all you have to say is this:-

[quote=ianho,Aug 21 2008, 09:40 PM]All ur iPhone is belong to us. Since it's dead oredi, sell for rm500 we take immediately, cash payment.

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[quote=gpsp,Aug 21 2008, 09:43 PM]I offer RM600!

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which resulted in people joining in the fun YOU INSTIGATED, while happily watching the guy suffer in his failures of fixing his iPhone.

[quote=nokia2003,Aug 21 2008, 09:58 PM]guys, please don't add posts such as purchasing his phone etc.
he is already stressful enough and will not appreciate jokes like that.
just give him some space will ya?

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Added on August 21, 2008, 10:00 pmbe a little bit more sympathetic especially from the very senior members. stuffs like that are meant to be joked or flamed.

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Not until Nokia had come in and put YOU, A MODERATOR, in your place, by teaching you not to pick on the poor guy, that you had stopped your chidings.

NOW, who the hell should have the right to remain silent here and not to abuse people YOU DEEMED AS EASY PICKINGS?

Idiot.[/quote]

Great example we have as a moderator here.[QUOTE]

Is that an accurate assumption? If so, then all your posts and threads were removed rightly(irrelevant of ianho's intent) as they were in the wrong forum. If you have a problem with someone(mod or otherwise), report it or bring it up HERE in the FEEDBACK FORUM. That's why we have the report button and feedback forum. You can't expect to go posting complaints and claims against a mod saying he's abusing powers in the wrong forum and not have your threads closed. It's simply the wrong place to do it.

And yes, it's really that simple. You can't say he's covering it up because it's his job to remove posts and threads which are no longer in topic. If you had posted here and he deleted the posts/threads, then yes, by all means cry conspiracy, call him out, or w/e.

Another thing, the forum rules are not set by you. You may have unofficial standards and rules, but the bottom line is you don't control the forum. You may say "this is how we do things" but if that doesn't agree with how we do things, who trumps who here?

[quote=kai5183,Aug 22 2008, 11:29 PM]
malaysiapotato,

i dont think we agree with what you say regarding TS offt topic and wrong forum...

please let your friend ianho come out and defend himself ok? then you judge...

remark: if you misjudge, we will also pull you down at all cost...

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I don't actually care if you disagree with my opinion of whether his threads were in the wrong forum. They were as I read it a complaint against a mod, that means it's not supposed to be in the IPHONE FORUM.

Let me break this down for you.
Feedback = Where you bring your issues(with mods, other members, whatever) up, so we can seek a resolution.
IPHONE forum = where you discuss your iphones.

Which of the two should a complaint/claim against a mod go to?

And btw, if that last bit was supposed to be a threat, lol. You sure you want to take it there? We don't take kindly to trolls.


Edit: Damnit, quotes didn't come out right. Bah, you guys should be able to read it.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 22 2008, 11:55 PM

No, if he says it's the same issue, fine. I don't really care either way.

For crying out loud.

Here, plain a simple.

Feedback forum = you wanna call out a mod on his actions, you wanna complain about one of us, you wanna bring up issues, ALL HERE IN THE FEEDBACK FORUM.

IPHONE FORUM = IPHONE TALK.

Your threads were in the wrong forum, period.

So, go pass the whole thread hilang, post hilang issue and get to the main issue. Which according to your first post was that he offended you with his joke and that he got pissed off and lost his temper with you after you told him whatever.

He disappears? Cough, we have lives too. If I weren't on sick leave, I'd have kicked this issue to my next week crap-to-do-list and done other stuff.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 23 2008, 12:04 AM

Well, honestly look at how long it's taking you people to understand the simple freaking functions of seperate forums. I mean, how else can it be classified?

It's been easily over 2 hours and people are still saying that it was the right forum to post a complaint/call out/whatever you want to call it against a mod. Well, gee whiz, if it takes that long for people to understand that you post relevant topics in the appropriate forum, what the heck else can you call it other than crap without being profane?

This has been so far a complete waste of time.

Now, get past the whoooooooooooole threads closed, complaints deleted stuff as that's all irrelevant and start again. What is your complaint against Ianho?

eta: Oh yay, goldy's here. Baton pass!

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 23 2008, 12:20 AM

Moral of the story: Post in the right forum and post your actual complaint instead of calling conspiracy without proof or understanding of how things work. That way you don't spend hours going round in circles and you have a heck of a lot less trolls wasting everyone's time popping in.

It's really simple.

Generally posts or threads posted in the wrong forum will be closed, deleted(invis'd) or moved. I personally just close. 9/10 times, the poster figures out why his thread was removed or closed as it's really common sense. Posting a complaint in the Iphone forum, kinda obvious.

No idea, doesn't really matter? Who ever was there at the time.

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More at 11? Nanda?

I'd say it should have been brought up via pm or here. Your post would have been flamebait, regardless of original intent. If you've noticed, we have a large number of trolls on this forum, many of them have posted in this thread. There are alot of people out there who are anti-administration(fight the power and all that) because of current political issues or otherwise who choose to vent on us because of the limitations of the abilities to do so against the political parties they want to. They all feed on any opportunity they can get to "fight the power" and atleast by limiting it to pm's or bringing it here, the collateral would be minimized.

It wasn't necessary to bring it out in the open and IMO should have been sent via pm, IMO.

Eta: I think you mean impartial?

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Aug 23 2008, 01:14 AM