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jazzy939
post Oct 24 2008, 02:23 AM

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hi Y.C.,
When you said your LED went dead, dead as in fused/burn out?
1K should more than sufficient(based on calculation)
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post Oct 24 2008, 11:22 AM

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Bro March,
Will you be bringing your 'goodies'? wink.gif

I think plan wise is that the start time is at 3pm.. dunno about the agenda.. will take it as it goes..

QUOTE(March05 @ Oct 24 2008, 09:10 AM)
How's the plan for tomorrow's TT session?

I'm good to go.
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post Oct 24 2008, 02:02 PM

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You're always welcome JC. With or without the boomtubes wink.gif


QUOTE(junchoon @ Oct 24 2008, 01:54 PM)
i have Boomtube EX, which have two TA2024 chips with 2x40w power.  can join or not leh?  thanks.

cheers,
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post Oct 24 2008, 02:11 PM

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Y.C.,
I have a feeling that 1K is too low, so I took a look at my LED, a clear blue which should be having the same current requirements with WHITE LED (I have tested).
I am using a 10K resistor, 1/4W (brown,black,orange) as the current limiter. It's a balance between dim and too bright as I do not want it to be a glaring distraction at night laugh.gif
I believe it should work in your set up too, plus minus a few K if you wish to adjust the brightness... Hope this helps in time for tomorrow's session! wink.gif
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post Oct 24 2008, 03:46 PM

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Y.C.,
Not at all. I have a few spares LEDs(blue, white, orange too) and several values of current limiting resistors. If you need any, just give me a 'holler' tongue.gif

Yes those blue LEDs are kinda expensive.. the cheapest I got was RM1.30
Why 10K? Good question! I blew 2 LEDs before I got it right.. tongue.gif Learning the hard way..

I am definitely coming..

QUOTE(Y.C. @ Oct 24 2008, 03:03 PM)
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Jazzy, thank you so much for sharing your configuration on the LED bulb with me.  notworthy.gif
I had originally wanted to install a faint blue bulb to my T-amp but some shops in JP ran out of stock so I bought a faint green for a mere 30 sen instead. Subsequently when new stocks arrived, I was told that blue coloured bulb is more expensive at RM1.50 each so I held back.
I did not know the amperage of the bulb and was told the smallest size is of 3V and I shall need 1K ohm resistor so I duly picked one up for 10 sen. I wired up the LED bulb parallel to my T-amp board without use of any fuse to it. Out of curiosity, if the amperage of bulb is 20mA and from the online calculator provided by bsl last night, the answer obtained is 450 ohm and when rounded  to its nearest value of 470 ohm or for that matter 1K ohm is already sufficient, so why 10K ohm? Unless my LED bulb is actually of 100mA/200mA.  rclxub.gif 
But I will buy a 10K ohm resistor and new faint blue (I also do not want it to be too bright) LED bulb to try out.

......

Guys, kindly do response by indicating whether you are coming or otherwise so could plan accordingly.
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post Oct 24 2008, 05:04 PM

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Once or twice I do suffer too with regards to 'quality' issues.. that's why I sometimes buy stuffs from JP more than one in quantity eventhough I need only one.. just incase wink.gif JP= Jamban Products.. tongue.gif


QUOTE(March05 @ Oct 24 2008, 04:27 PM)
I think it's just the usual reject(?) quality stuff from JP. I bought a pair of white LEDs for car 12 volt operation. One blew after a a few weeks....the other one's still working fine after months of use - same power supply, a 12 volt SLA.
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post Oct 24 2008, 05:52 PM

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Y.C.,
You're most welcome. Get extra for 'spares' just in case.. wink.gif
Yes.. Will bring my 100K passive. It's a 10K actually but a quick swap with a 100K pot is no big deal.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Y.C. @ Oct 24 2008, 05:27 PM)
Jazzy,
TQVM the offer but I will pick up the LED bulbs from JP as I also need the 10K ohm resistor.

You are bringing along your 100K ohm passive pre-amp to our session?

So far, the confirmed attendees are Jazzy, March, Junchoon, Y.C., Y.C.'s colleague, Xtorm (he has some family matter to attend to but will try to come). As for the rests, no feedback yet.
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post Oct 24 2008, 11:07 PM

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Friday night.. too quiet lah! tongue.gif

Calculation wise, there's nothing wrong with it.. putting it to work.. well we know the story wink.gif Sorry Y.C. If only I knew the answers...
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post Oct 25 2008, 01:17 AM

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Y.C.,
Yes I know. I actually measured the voltage across the LED, which reads 2.8VDC! Which means that the current limiting/voltage drop resistor is CORRECT! tongue.gif
Why doesn't the formula reflect this? hmm.gif
In my setup, using the formula; with 13.4VDC supply voltage and 2.8V LED forward voltage, the LED forward current is 1mA! shocking.gif Maybe 20 or 30mA LED current is not the correct figure? rclxub.gif

I think we may have missed something.. I have been doing some reading, found something but not conclusive.. needs further 'digging'..
Anyway, just completed re-assembling a 100K 'passive' preamp.. finished testing and it sounded 'not bad' I'd say! wink.gif
14 hours to go!


QUOTE(Y.C. @ Oct 25 2008, 12:13 AM)
Jazzy,
I'm curious and hence opened the subject for comments by those who might know. There could have been something that I have missed out hence practical could not equal to theory here. I already got the practical solution from you, ie. use a 10KΩ resistor. This is merely for academic purposes.
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post Oct 25 2008, 07:56 AM

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I guess this is the price you pay for 'cheap' things... although they are really not that cheap! mad.gif

I use my variable voltage PSU and a bunch of resistors to get the required/correct current limiting resistors.. wink.gif

Again, a 1mA forward current for my blue LED? doh.gif Heck, as long as it works.. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 25 2008, 12:38 PM

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That would be the only logical answer to your(our) LEDs issues.
1K would be more than suffice.. 470 Ohm being the 'normal' series resistor.
Having that in mind, what about other semiconductors that we bought from JP? Transistors, ICs what nots..? hmm.gif

Great! few hours to go.. I'll be bringing in my Junior.. wink.gif

Catch you guys later. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(Y.C. @ Oct 25 2008, 12:00 PM)
At this juncture, it appears that the quality issue of JP LEDs is the most probable reason for calculation to be out. A 1K resistor should have been a correct value for use with 1 single LED.

We need to observe correct polarity during connection - the resistor must be connected to the anode (+ve side) and not the cathode (-ve side) of the LED.

Okay folks, our T-amp t/t session is ON from 15.00 - 18.00 hours TODAY.  flex.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Easy for you to say! laugh.gif
Yes. I have more than once bought a few 'look like the real thing'.. for obvious reasons they don't last that long.. or circuits don't actually work like they're supposed to.. laugh.gif
If it's way too 'cheap' then, it's a sign... wink.gif

Would it be safe then, to get 'everything' from Farnell or RS? hmm.gif

Have a great weekend bsl.. yes we know, you're gonna be busy... rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(bsl555 @ Oct 25 2008, 12:48 PM)
They exist alright. Just you have a keen eye to spot them out. Have nice day folks!.  smile.gif
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post Oct 26 2008, 12:38 PM

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Good report Bro March.
Thanks for the usage of your superb HB2 and the stands..
Too bad you missed one of the best 'mee goreng mamak' in SJ tongue.gif
Yes. Many thanks to Y.C for the venue, drinks n 'makan' and hospitality.. rclxms.gif
Good news is, 'someone' already agreeable to use his place for the next T-Amp TT-Session! rclxm9.gif

Waiting for Y.C to say something.. wink.gif

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post Oct 26 2008, 01:36 PM

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Never had such a problem. Are you sure it is not originated from your source?

QUOTE(wui223 @ Oct 26 2008, 01:32 PM)
Been listening to T-amp alot these days. one day i notice is: when play music, the volume at left speakers seem to be louder. Esp the vocal, is like on the left side. guys have any idea ?
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post Oct 26 2008, 11:29 PM

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Hi folks! biggrin.gif
I was out still celebrating raya.. just got back though.. tongue.gif
Yes I did took a photo (one) and here it is, the set-up of the equipments.. Should have taken more but.. we were so engrossed with the music and all, 3 hours (like bro March was saying)seems like minutes.. too short eh folks? tongue.gif

wui,
No progress yet on my pre-amp.. waiting for 'something' wink.gif
We all know that the stock T-Amp is a little bit bass shy.. by changing the input caps and a voltage increase from the usual 12VDC should improve, however it is quite speaker dependant also! The best bass ever I got was from the EPCOS's 10uF input caps.. mysghooi however is currently holding the record of 22.2uF! laugh.gif

junchoon,
I could make your 'RCA jack' converter in no time laugh.gif As a token of appreciation for offering another TT Session at your place tomorrow! biggrin.gif Say, how many of us is taking up the offer? My schedule is clear for tomorrow.. only I have NOT done the LP transfers.. tongue.gif (no phono pre-amp for T-Amp, have to get my Technics wired up.. )
The built in sub on your boombox can be disabled as required with some 'minor' mod. bro March's idea is also very 'interesting' and viable too.. I have to peek inside your 'Virgin's boomtube' ler.. laugh.gif

As from me.. our first T-Amp TT Session was a great success! thumbup.gif
We can now see how a 'tiny' little amp can be tuned and drive speakers like HB2 with great ease and how musical it was.. even with tunes that we are not familiar with, we were soon flowing with the beat.. someone mentioned Krell? tongue.gif

Lai's T-Amp with the ERO's input caps and the Pana power caps.. I would totally agree! The female voices was really seductive wink.gif Quite a well balanced set-up and like Y.C. was saying, it would be a challenge for any current commercial setup to beat such a great combination!
Syrupy eh Y.C? I can imagine how Ms. Krall voice would be! wink.gif Would be mesmerizing! I might reconsider putting back and re-evaluate the EROs again wink.gif

Not forgetting the great lil' Q-Acoustics which was (to me) excellent with the mids and highs.. if partnered/complimented with a proper sub, a full range speaker system would already in place!

Well.. are we ON or OFF for tomorrow's session? Too soon, no? sweat.gif

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post Oct 27 2008, 12:29 AM

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wui,
Here it is.. quite simple the circuit is..

The components are:

R1: 270R
R2: Carbon preset potentiometer
C1: 100nF
C2: 1uF tantalum
LM317T Voltage regulator
Heatsink
PCB board




QUOTE(wui223 @ Oct 27 2008, 12:21 AM)
Not long ago, someone mention 13.8V for power supply. i might mod mine to experiment by LM317. Hope i can finish it before tmr meeting.

bro Jazzy: got any simple LM317 adjustable power supply circuit to share? right now i am using LM7812 with 2 caps.
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ongbs,
This was intentionally done to make you salivate.. laugh.gif

Handsome faces? I do not want to risk corrupting my memory card! tongue.gif

Honestly I should have taken the 'group' photo.. like I said, we were fully occupied.. next time maybe.. biggrin.gif

Sorry to disappoint you...

QUOTE(ongbs @ Oct 27 2008, 12:43 AM)
wow...congrat to all you lucky guys that able to meet up tongue.gif

Me only drolling here and reading this thread for the review and progress of your TT  drool.gif  cry.gif
Jazzy, beside equipments you miss out those handsome faces huh?  doh.gif
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post Oct 27 2008, 01:06 AM

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Hey! I am no 'geek'! tongue.gif

QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Oct 27 2008, 12:57 AM)
The Tamp geek likes to be unknown....
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post Oct 27 2008, 01:22 AM

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bro xtorm can't come due to personal/family commitments.
sorry la ongbs, did not take any.. sad.gif

QUOTE(ongbs @ Oct 27 2008, 01:18 AM)
hehe, then show me the "face" (not money) tongue.gif

btw, xtorm didn't turn up huh?
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post Oct 27 2008, 02:20 AM

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wui,
There's always more than one variations to a basic circuit.
The second link, is using a 22000uF cap.. good luck in getting those.. laugh.gif but you can actually settle for less value caps... hehe

Good work in getting the 13.44 volts! It is more than sufficient to juice up the output especially the bass...!

CDP? I think junchoon have a decent CDP.. wink.gif more like a multi-disc CDP!
Just bring whatever things that you want to.. surely junchoon have enough 'rooms' to accommodate.. tongue.gif

QUOTE(wui223 @ Oct 27 2008, 01:55 AM)
Thanks bro jazzy. in fact i 'tak sempat' wait for ur reply and i found these:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/B...wden/page12.htm
http://www.cpemma.co.uk/317calc.html

I use 100R and 1k for R1 and R2. I measure 13.44V, i guess it's fine. Now singing, hope it wont die prematurely.


Added on October 27, 2008, 2:15 amBtw, who will bring CDP and speakers for the meeting? i think i will bring my t-amp and a few CDs. as low profile as possible, else my mom will question alot. sad.gif
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