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DIY T-Amp user/diyer come here :), TA2024 complete build board diy

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jazzy939
post Oct 27 2008, 09:08 AM

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top of the morning to you! biggrin.gif

Can't help there.. I do not have bookshelves speakers BUT I can definitely bring speaker cables! wink.gif

Good question there! hmm.gif

QUOTE(junchoon @ Oct 27 2008, 09:04 AM)
hi guys,

would be great if u have bookshelves lah.  please bring some speaker cables.

is gabanyayaya, Lai and/or YC coming? 

cheers,
wps
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post Oct 27 2008, 09:40 AM

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morning march..

that's better than nothing! BTW, how's the passive 100k pot pre-amp performing?

QUOTE(March05 @ Oct 27 2008, 09:23 AM)
Morning guys, I should be able to join but unfortunately only for a hour or so. Too many weekend home chores left uncompleted lah.
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post Oct 27 2008, 10:31 AM

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bro March,
Nice to know that! Yes.. there's always 'colorations' added by anything in the signal path, its a matter of it being balanced or not.. wink.gif
Looks like the CA640P definitely needs a preamp. Is this 'tube based preamp' a commercial unit? Or you got one stashed somewhere collecting dust.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(March05 @ Oct 27 2008, 10:26 AM)
Jazzy bro, I no can give technical support, so at least must contribute moral support lah.

The volume pot is an eye opener....finally I'm hearing my T-amps without colouration from the Yulong DAH1! Only drawback is the output from the CA640P is too low....so it looks like I have to add in an active preamp somehow. Maybe time to invest a tube based preamp.....

junchoon, okay got your directions already. see you later!
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post Oct 27 2008, 10:48 AM

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Let's hope bsl will be reading this and make an offer to you! tongue.gif
He's busy this week yes?

QUOTE(March05 @ Oct 27 2008, 10:45 AM)
Me don't have lah, but we know bsl555 will have one stashed somewhere, somehow.  hmm.gif
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post Oct 27 2008, 11:31 AM

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Great! Your mood is back! thumbup.gif
the coming TT is this afternoon!

My 'passive preamp' is a 100K pot which works extremely fine.. since you have a 50K ALPS, give it a go. It might worked! tongue.gif

QUOTE(xtorm @ Oct 27 2008, 11:26 AM)
sorry guys, wasnt really in mood for posting in the last few days sad.gif

seems like a great tt, will try to finish my smd replacement on the 2.2uf mcap unit smile.gif for the coming tt.

but i dont have volume knob on them, 100k is a good choice? i think there is some 50k blue alps at home.
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post Oct 27 2008, 08:47 PM

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Okay,
First some pics! Enjoy... wink.gif

One of the sessions was in junchoon's 'lil audio room..
Equipments:
EPOS M16
Pioneer CDP
wui's T-Amp
My T-Amp
junchoon's friend DIY amp
bsl's tube pre-amp

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Final session in the hall,
Equipments:
Pioneer DVD player as CDP
bsl's tube preamp
My T-Amp
wui's T-Amp
Zhaolu D2 DAC
Yamaha AV amp
Yamaha floorstanders

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Closeup of the Zhaolu's DAc in action:

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Closeup of the equipments in the 'lil audio room..

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post Oct 27 2008, 10:02 PM

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wui,
thanks for the effort! yes.. long one, eh? wink.gif
We did try heavy rock with the soundstage tube pre-amp and my T-Amp.. it just doesn't have the right 'attack'... could be personal preferences or some limitations with the Yamaha floorstanders..
But, when partnered with the EPOS.. sweeeeet! rclxms.gif especially the vocals..

The 2N5458 should be suitable.. not much diff. from 2N5457 I guess laugh.gif

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post Oct 27 2008, 11:33 PM

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Welcome to the club, cyl1000!
The general concensus is that the stock input caps should be replaced.
If you're into vocals, a Vishay/ERO 2.2uF poly would be excellent! What set of speakers would you be using btw? Get a good bookshelve speakers for this. We've seen this being demonstrated by March's HB2.
Replacement of the SMDs are also recommended.. see/download pdf guide at beginning of this thread.

I was initially running the T-Amp with a linear PSU. My review/findings at earlier pages.. In a nutshell, with linear PSU, the low end definition is excellent. But the SMPS really matches the T-Amp for overall performance in terms of control and dynamics.. more biased towards midranges and an increase in the operating voltage from 12VDC to 13.6VDC which I am running, improves the bass quite a bit, in terms of refined definition, very subtle but definitive. Again this is more to personal preferences, either way, the T-Amp is still a great performer!

Anyone else wanna add? wink.gif


QUOTE(cyl1000 @ Oct 27 2008, 11:18 PM)
Hi..its interesting to hear so much about t-amp here. I've a brief introduction by YC with his 2nd t-amp, Sansui CDP and Q-Acoustic speaker. It was superb considering the size and the cost of this lil amp. Anyway, I have order my t-amp from xtorm and would appreciate if you guys could help give some suggestion(s) to mod this lil fella. For me, vocals is much important and therefore after the tt session, anyone can let me know which is the best component/part to mod to achieve the best vocal sounding t-amp? since this thread is too long for me to check, has anyone tried using linear PSU instead of SMPS?
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post Oct 28 2008, 06:38 AM

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wui,
good work! thumbup.gif
how does it sounds? pics? tongue.gif
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post Oct 28 2008, 02:40 PM

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wui,
Do like what I did when I did not have the relay board. Remove the speaker cables before powering off laugh.gif
BTW, before switching off the buffer, switch off the T-Amp first! Followed by the buffer.

Thump noise can be from the inrush currents/voltages, DC offset also probably.

Yes.. there are few soft start circuits.. just search for it and see whats suitable.. I did but found the relay solution would be more practical in my case.

I can take a look at it.. or ask the sifu. He's closer to your side. wink.gif

BUT important question; How's the sounds like? hmm.gif

QUOTE(wui223 @ Oct 28 2008, 12:21 PM)
When i switch off the B1 buffer, i heard thump noise from speakers. Any idea to solve this? i am lazy to build speaker relay circuit  tongue.gif


Added on October 28, 2008, 12:59 pmI flip through some pages on diyAudio regarding the B1 buffer. Some builders report problem of DC offset at output, i guess thats the cause for the thump noise.

Jazzy, u might need to look into it. Maybe some soft of delay on/off circuit needed like ur speaker relay circuit.
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post Oct 28 2008, 05:50 PM

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As you said it, it also depends on your setup to realize the difference if there are any at all. wink.gif
YourT-Amp as it is,is quite well balanced, according to junchoon that is, and I am quite agreeable! Little improvements ay not be apparent at first, give it a few hours and a good intense listening should reveal any improvements or otherwise... remember the Zhaolu DAC D2? doh.gif

Did you solved or temporarily solved the 'thumping' sound?

Wui, sounds like good idea! How soon can you make this? Errr too much free time before your finals, huh?tongue.gif

QUOTE(wui223 @ Oct 28 2008, 05:29 PM)
Well, i would say the sound is transparent, no additional colour. No big difference compared to using volume pot alone. Maybe there is difference, but using my current setup and my current ears, it is subtle.

I have a wild idea: Integrate the B1 buffer after a 12AX7 gain stage, make it as a preamp.
I have a guitar preamp circuit which i built long time ago. That is a mono channel preamp, with 2 gain stages.
I think i might remove the 2nd stage and put in the B1 buffer, then clone another channel make it a stereo preamp.
Any thought?
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post Oct 28 2008, 08:41 PM

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Y.C,
Why the trouble of sending it back, just ask, 'How much'? wink.gif laugh.gif
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post Oct 29 2008, 01:02 AM

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Wahhh... 'Till death do us part' eh? wink.gif

March,
If I were you, I'd do the same too... biggrin.gif

They don't make speakers like they used to now.. eh?

Will look forward, hearing it again, probably performing with the T-Amp big brother, TA2022 with CA640p and a TT.. thumbup.gif


QUOTE(Y.C. @ Oct 28 2008, 08:48 PM)
Jazzy, March already told me on Saturday that he's not parting with his HB2s.
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post Oct 30 2008, 04:03 PM

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wui223,
any progress on your tubed preamp/buffer?
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post Oct 30 2008, 05:47 PM

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You still have problems with 'thump'ing sound when switching off?
Yes.. wish I had the time to build it first.. tongue.gif

QUOTE(wui223 @ Oct 30 2008, 05:43 PM)
The tube circuit give some problem, need time to debug  hmm.gif I will leave it aside first, but the B1 buffer u shud try it out  doh.gif
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post Nov 1 2008, 07:09 PM

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We are in 3rd page! shakehead.gif

Ok. Was in JP this afternoon got this for RM4.50 a pair! laugh.gif
The pair was preinstalled on a plastic frame to be mounted on the speaker. Minor disassembly(two small screws) required.. biggrin.gif
Earlier gabanyayaya was looking for a similar one that Y.C. paid RM5.50 each..? hmm.gif


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Y.C.,
yes knowing JP there are variations in quality and prices.. but on many occasions it's the same item! laugh.gif
I think mine is a different one, as yours, the threaded shank is 'extra long' which requires extra 'screwing'... brows.gif
Anyway the moral of the story: shop around! tongue.gif

Here an example: I saw a unit that closely resembles what mysghooi was using as his T-Amp casing. One shop was selling it for RM99. Its a complete (portable)amplifier for the car. Operated by 12V. Saw another shop selling the same very unit for RM79! Now thats RM20 difference! doh.gif

I also saw several units (small amplifiers) with minor modifications will make a very good looking T-Amp casing/assembly! wink.gif

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Was that ekool? Ooops! doh.gif

Good news there Y.C. What value resistor that you used as the current limiter?

Are we in the mood for another TT Session? tongue.gif

This is the casing that I saw. pix from ekool's posting. exactly the same! wink.gif

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Ah.. the 10K resistor! wink.gif

Yes. I think next week onwards would be excellent.
Will give me time to complete my buffer pre-amp too! Bought a few casings from JP this afternoon. One for Junior's T-Amp which was completed within half hour! He's now enjoying the T-Amp, will ask him for his review/findings. He's currently using the stock input caps. Will change the input caps shortly... wink.gif He said the sound is a 'lil bit sharp for his taste...

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wui,
how's your finals this afternoon? wishing all the best! thumbup.gif

hey, how about a pix of your buffer? Your preview of the buffer you built is kinda 'too brief!' tongue.gif
damn!, that reminds me that I owe you a circuit for the JFET to get them matched.. ok will do that soon. Now busy replacing Junior's T-Amp input caps. We're using the ever famous F-ELNA! laugh.gif

Well, if anyone is interested, why not. With PCB, all etched, matched, ready to go! wink.gif

QUOTE(wui223 @ Nov 1 2008, 09:13 PM)
Jazzy: The speaker binding post look decent, i might buy2 pairs. Everyone is waiting for ur buffer review smile.gif Maybe we can make a kit version for that buffer smile.gif

Anticipating next TT session.
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