Sleepwalker, I think he was just following instructions. I have clayed before using either a spray mix of car wash detergent water or quick detailers. Here I also see Meguiars selling clay kit with the Quik Detailer as lubricant. That should not hurt it.

I bet it's more what you said about the wax. Either bad wax or not following curing/drying time and buffing.

i use the meguiars carnauba wax ... the 3 - 1 that come with paint cleaner, polish and carnauba wax.

yes, last time i read from on9 forum, for clay, some people use water, some use car shampoo and some use QD as medium which is the most espensive among the 3 options

btw, sealant first or wax first ?

sealant not suppose to lock the wax ? hence it should be after wax ...

Most carnuba waxes lasted about 2-3 weeks the most...IMHO....protection is protection & PREPS is the key to succeed yr detailing....

wax is just 10% of the total detailing & washing maybe another 10%

the rest of it...still fall back to your prep work......if u are building a house....roof is the last thing u put on to protect


your foundation is the most important...structure.....beams.....wall & ceiling... PREPARATIONS


the 5 steps.....only when u have properly prepare yr paint ...now u protect.....hand polish cant remove swirls, neither waxes removes stain....


check out my black.....after rain meguiars USA


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wax is just wax

Sealant is sealant...

polish is polish

clay is clay

compound is compound

QD is QD

if u do not flow with it ......it will not bring out the best of it



WAX doesnt need much time to cure...maybe 30minutes

sealant does at least 8 hours.


UQD at least overnite

so there is no point to apply 100 layers of wax.sealant & QDs..when it is not prep properly.....it is like putting makeup without washing & neglecting the rest of the days & weeks


extreme detailing HERE !!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by KC's: Mar 25 2010, 02:21 PM

I said finishing layer, not foundation. Finishing as in the last thing you do.

sorry buddy

i miss out the
3 in 1 ....is good....but certainly it will not last as long as just pure waxes.......

the cleaner have the cleaning power, polish is polish & both don't have protection power

now when u add yr wax inside these two ....it became a very handy product...use any time i want for quick detail...but durability is my next question.....


to my observations......I use alot of all in one products...some of which already blown the American detailer......& i usually protect it with wax or sealant

& top up with UQD...(i am using the body shop version M135)


see what they say about megs PRC (aio aka 3in 1)
here

just an update on a task that i did on my dad's car.
His car was sent for a respray (galaxy black) and came back. The paint had swirls and fine white scrathes. I suspect that they were using bad polishing compound. Couldnt stand the shoddy finishing work. I took out my tools.

1. Washed the car with Turtle Wax F21 car wash
2. clayed the paint of any over-spray
3. Used mothers california gold sealer and glaze.
4. Finished off with another coat of Turtle wax platinum ultra gloss paste

I know its not proper, but i dont have any polish with me. and since the Mothers has a lil bit of abrasive compound i should think that worked.

However, the final results were still not quite satisfying but way better than it first came back. Finish was deeper glossier. the deeper marks left by the painter were still there. I was thinking of getting Meguires Swirl X next time.

BTW anyone interested in getting Meguire's Step 1 pre-cleaner wax? I hardly use mine and want to get rid of it. still have 80% left.

A rare jewel.........BMW E46 convertables M3 thats come with the BMW phone

a full interior detail

I have also chk with my Friend who is a tech adv, he has not seen any of this convertables that comes with BMW hand phone... truly rare indeed

with a gratitude to the onwer & his generousity.... PRESENTing to you ladies & gentleman......
1st steam spas & detailing for this UDM.....






for rest write up pls read here
http://thedetailers.blogspot.com/2010/03/p...er-m3-just.html

This post has been edited by KC's: Mar 28 2010, 06:03 PM

Just did some maintenance on the family car



just like mirror



*did not use polish as its just a 6moths old new car and only has minor swirl
Material used :
Polyglaze car wash
2layer Soft99 Hard paste wax(Blue tin)
Turtle wax PS ultra gloss detailer




Is this consider orange peel effect ?

This post has been edited by wilsonjack228: Mar 29 2010, 06:00 PM

yes...but come on yr black rock.....keep it by washing it carefully...& it is not what u applied but how u maintain....once a year of once a week maitainance of once a month'.....i have an exotic car owner weekly spend 6 hours & ended up swriling the car like crap ///////// crab//////// fill in the blanks....over o & with the wrong product...he used rubbing compound on the paint...ultimately the paint died

I think the whole car paint also got this effect . So KC , what should i do with the orange peel effect ? . leave it alone ? for me ,from far not much a difference but
just only when u notice it up front .
As this is our first dark color car , when I got the car I wash it only with microfiber and i wash it every 1 week or 2

The orange peel effect has nothing to do with your cleaning. It is just poor polishing/finishing by the factory before they delivered the car to you. The orange peel is not caused by the paint but rather the clear coat. All you need now is a good professional polish to bring the showroom shine back out. You can check on page 42 for the pics of my car to know that orange peel does not come from your washing.

Can recommend a polish to reduce orange peel? All I have now is Meg's Medallion Paint Cleaner. Or do we have to go to a shop for wet-sanding or something?

This post has been edited by SweetPuff: Mar 30 2010, 07:00 PM

KC would most probably tell you to go professional. So would I. To remove orange peel would require some professional work as they have to cut pretty deep without damaging your clearcoat. I would not recommend doing it by hand as the difference in pressure would leave you with different levels of clearcoat. Some would be deeper and some shallow. You'd cry when you see the 'big' patches of orange peel.

It's impossible to remove orange peel by hand. You can remove it by either wet sanding or compounding it. Either way, you need a pro and a lot of time.

While waiting for my buddy KC to reply, allow me to elaborate.

Orange peel is common on modern cars due to the solvents that are used in the paints or more specifically the clear coats. In the past when the environment was not such an issue the solvents used allowed the paint to cure with less of the orange peel effect. My understanding now is that the modern clears do not contain as much or contains less volatile solvents and this is what causes orange peel. Its also not about the cost of the paint as you can see higher end cars with lots of orange peel as well.

Orange peel is essentially unevenness in the clear coat so compounding and polishing 'might' improve the situation a little but because compounding will also remove the 'top' and 'bottom' of the imperfection, relatively speaking there will not be that much improvement. What you need to do is wetsand the car as the sanding will remove the 'top' of the imperfections to level it out with the surroundings.

Wetsanding is a whole different thing altogether as the clear coats are very thin and excessive removal through wetsanding/compounding could lead to premature clear coat failure. The show cars you see on TV etc. are usually sprayed with a thicker clear coat before being wetsanded to achieve that perfect mirror finish. However, wetsanding and the compounding/polishing required to remove the sanding marks is very time consuming and generally not recommended for daily driven cars.

An example of wetsanding on a car I did a couple of months ago. Notice the very severe paint defects.


Sanding with a sanding block.


Sanding marks.


After compounding and polish.


Documented the very extensive detail on my blog if you want to take a look:
http://prodetailing.blogspot.com/2009/09/p...ni-special.html

We can't put the blame on the solvents. All clear coats that come straight out of the factory feels so rough that you think the car was sandblasted instead of being painted. They are they polished to showroom finish before delivering to their customers. Why do you think that BMW and Merc do not have this problem? They are given a good polish before it is delivered to their customers. I know of this as the carwash I go to is also where Auto Bavaria in Glenmarie sends their brand new cars to be polished before delivery to their customers. Comes out without any orange peel effect.

So where do you think our local car makers would send it for polishing before delivery?

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: Apr 1 2010, 12:04 PM

Yes I also know where Auto Bavaria sends their cars. What I was explaining is that polishing on its own will do nothing for orange peel. If polishing is all they do then it would be good to see what the paint looks like before and after polishing. BMW and Merc have recently come up with harder clear coats like ceramic clears which as you rightfully pointed out have no or minimal orange peel effect BUT if you are looking to remove orange peel then wetsanding is the way to go.

Have attached a link regarding how environmentally friendly solvents contribute to the orange peel.
http://truthindetailing.com/Forum/showpost...761&postcount=7

Yes, environmentally friendly solvents contribute to orange peel but that is not the main cause of it. It is not something that cannot be removed. Most importantly is that it should be done before the car gets to the customer, so that the customer does not have to go through the anguish of removing it. Our local car dealers have made this orange peel effect so common that people think it is paint damage. It is not paint damage. It is Public Relations damage for the car dealer.

I can accept the fact that freshly REPAINTED cars have the orange peel effect as the clear coat cannot be polished so quickly since the car wasn't oven baked at temperatures as high as those fresh from the factory. Those we will have to wait a couple of months before doing a good sanding job.

As far as I can remember, practically from day that our local car manufacturers offered metallic paint, I have seen the orange peel effect on brand new cars.

True, true....

YES the answer lies in the solvent issue....VOC compliance .... if u have done enough detailing or hang enough n international sites long enough....BMW has the worst orange peel....dont take my words..... The germans is taking this issue strongly, so resulting OP OP OP & all over the world BMW onwer facing this issue


check this ut

here also

here pls



new car free orange peel


it looks like the dimples of an orange peel. BMW's are getting worse with each generation

BMW EACH GENERATION GETTING WORST OP


Each year, automotive manufacturers spend the equivalent of millions of Euro dollars on measuring the paint surface defect known as `orange peel'. This paper uncovers the near invisibility of orange peel to customers and questions the need for this expenditure on on-line orange peel measurement. Face-to-face survey techniques were used to establish that customers either did not perceive the paint feature known as orange peel as detrimental to a surface or could not differentiate between surfaces with differing amounts of orange peel. This leads to the suggestion that assumptions made about the need to measure orange peel could be examined, and, if measurement is found to be unnecessary, costs in the automotive industry could be reduced.

BUT who cares?????...only obssesive complussive disorder Detailer....see that imperfection...to a day to day consumer...drivers...who cares what is swirls ...hologram....but to us..this is paint defects


As for my beloved IXORA owner. MY strong recomendation is this..if u are thinking of show casing yr car in a museum or show room...i wld suggest to do a complete sand down ...if it is a DD....& u can leave with it..otherwise u need thousand of ringgit $$$$$$??? to repaint it..just continue to care for it...& detail it

IF ppl suggest u to sand down yr car & removed ...just dont be nuts....very soon u will see the bones......CC premature failures

IF others says they can compund & polish off.....I doubt his skill & judgement....

Last 8 months i have done a series over a hundred cars...from light to heavy correction...& we have been posting all over the world forum to complete with others international detail

check out what the UK says about my wet sand thread PLS chk out the authenticity
Acidised Civic - Corroded Clear coat challenge (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page)
. kc's over 5,610 viewer


and same goes with merc...honda...toyota....lexus.....perodua....& almost of...but the champion is BMW


also one of our Malaysia sifu started off just like Enthusiast , got his work featured in US Meguiars New letter...I believe the 1st Malaysian Achieved it....so like what adidas says....IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING" & good old nike ...will remind u of JUST DO IT.....

lets continue to strive to detail of ride better

tackling orange peel problem

This post has been edited by KC's: Apr 2 2010, 09:18 AM