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Photography Panasonic LX-3 King of the King of digicam Updated, LEICAF2.0,1/1.63 sensor,24mm,HD,hotshoe

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post Jan 3 2009, 08:08 PM

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Great piece from Aurora.. This is one of the reason i bought my lx-3
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post Jan 4 2009, 07:24 AM

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Just get my lx3 today, test it in side my room. still not really know how to use it since i lazy to read the manual, i think my gf love it, since she plan to order crystal to stick on it, and find a beg for it. However she quite mad about the ricol thing and insist she will never buy it, swt. So guys, any alternative? it is really annoying to take out the lens cap everytime i need to take photo.
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Why is she mad about the Ricoh thing since she haven't even touched it yet? It's either you get the Ricoh thing, you DIY one yourself, or don't put lens cap at all laugh.gif
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post Jan 4 2009, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(zeeker87 @ Jan 2 2009, 11:50 PM)
Mr gogo2..wat do u meant by lens resolution??i never heard any term like "lens resolution"..
don try to confuse ppl here.. blush.gif  blush.gif \
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Lens resolution is the ability of a lens to.. resolve smile.gif Google for "MTF chart" and you'll see how it's measured.


Added on January 4, 2009, 4:16 pm
QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 3 2009, 12:22 AM)
Why not? Small pic is always sharper than bigger pic if the information
is the same. Let's say you have 2MP picture. You resize to 4MP. Then
you view both 2MP and 4MP picture at 100%. See which one is more sharp
at 100%.
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The 4MP picture should look as sharp or sharper, with the condition that you stand further from the display so that the relative size of the 4MP picture matches that of the 2MP picture.

joyy is almost right when she says that downscaling throws away information (there are special cases where it won't e.g. a photo with only one color). You can always derive a 2MP picture from a 4MP picture, but in practice hardly the other way round.
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 4 2009, 04:12 PM)


joyy is almost right when she says that downscaling throws away information (there are special cases where it won't e.g. a photo with only one color). You can always derive a 2MP picture from a 4MP picture, but in practice hardly the other way round.
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Even with a unicoloured photo, there's still the dynamic range of the pixels. So when you downscale the photo, you'll still lose information smile.gif
Unless you downscale the photo by physically reducing the size of the individual pixels, which in practice is nonsensical.
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Hi all. Remember i said that my lx3 falled on South Korea? At first i tot only the Lenscap was broken and there should be not much problem . . But then I noticed a serious problem:


Shutter already goes giler. . . Sometimes automatically switch off and on (i can see it flipping), even if I did not press anything.



I think I will be sending it back topanasonic service center. If the repairs more than rm600. . I have decided not to repair it anymore...


By then i give up lx3, (may be sent to people to play or what, after all, it is now "half malfuntion".. super heart broken ah!!! RM1600 plus extra ori battery and also 8gb sdhc ...)

If my financial is not so tight, i think will go for DSLR oledi...

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QUOTE(Ppsprov @ Jan 4 2009, 04:40 PM)
Hi all. Remember i said that my lx3 falled on South Korea? At first i tot only the Lenscap was broken and there should be not much problem  . . But then I noticed a serious problem:
Shutter already goes giler. . . Sometimes automatically switch off and on (i can see it flipping), even if I did not press anything.
I think I will be sending it back topanasonic service center. If the repairs more than rm600. . I have decided not to repair it anymore...
By then i  give up lx3, (may be sent to people to play or what, after all, it is now "half malfuntion".. super heart broken ah!!! RM1600 plus extra ori battery and also 8gb sdhc ...)

If my financial is not so tight, i think will go for DSLR oledi...

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You did not spoil the shutter yourself right? Then it should be manufacturing fault and you should be covered.

EDIT: Oh no, you dropped it. All the best to you mate smile.gif

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 4 2009, 06:06 PM)
You did not spoil the shutter yourself right? Then it should be manufacturing fault and you should be covered.

EDIT: Oh no, you dropped it. All the best to you mate smile.gif
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Ouch. sweat.gif That really look bad. Cannot imagine how much it will cost if to change the whole lens (Leica somemore).
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QUOTE(Ppsprov @ Jan 4 2009, 04:40 PM)
Hi all. Remember i said that my lx3 falled on South Korea? At first i tot only the Lenscap was broken and there should be not much problem  . . But then I noticed a serious problem:
Shutter already goes giler. . . Sometimes automatically switch off and on (i can see it flipping), even if I did not press anything.
I think I will be sending it back topanasonic service center. If the repairs more than rm600. . I have decided not to repair it anymore...
By then i  give up lx3, (may be sent to people to play or what, after all, it is now "half malfuntion".. super heart broken ah!!! RM1600 plus extra ori battery and also 8gb sdhc ...)

If my financial is not so tight, i think will go for DSLR oledi...

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What do you mean when you say "shutter"?
Cause in technical terms the LX3 doesnt have a physical shutter. sad.gif
So it could be an electronic problem, something with the circuitry blink.gif
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 4 2009, 04:21 PM)
Even with a unicoloured photo, there's still the dynamic range of the pixels. So when you downscale the photo, you'll still lose information smile.gif
Unless you downscale the photo by physically reducing the size of the individual pixels, which in practice is nonsensical.
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I meant single color as in single color in a single shade.. like this:

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.. in which case downsizing will not lose information. It's a very special case and won't matter much for practical discussion, but I come from a math background so.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 4 2009, 04:12 PM)
Lens resolution is the ability of a lens to.. resolve smile.gif Google for "MTF chart" and you'll see how it's measured.


Added on January 4, 2009, 4:16 pmThe 4MP picture should look as sharp or sharper, with the condition that you stand further from the display so that the relative size of the 4MP picture matches that of the 2MP picture.

joyy is almost right when she says that downscaling throws away information (there are special cases where it won't e.g. a photo with only one color). You can always derive a 2MP picture from a 4MP picture, but in practice hardly the other way round.
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Bro....if you read back all my statement, you'll understand that I try to say that at 100%,
if the information of 10MP is cannibalized to become 8MP due to noise reduction, you'll
see that it is sharper at 100% cropped. Notice that I said 100% cropped.
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 4 2009, 07:57 PM)
I meant single color as in single color in a single shade.. like this:

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.. in which case downsizing will not lose information. It's a very special case and won't matter much for practical discussion, but I come from a math background so.. smile.gif
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Actually, that picture carries only one piece of information. The only information it contains is the color, and all the pixels are identical. The only thing needed to construct that picture is the color, the dimensions being determined by the user. >__<
So yeah, scaling the picture in any way doesnt affect the only piece of information in it. Even if the user sets 0x0 as the dimensions, I think, as the only thing the user changes is the scale factor blink.gif
Physics background here notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 4 2009, 11:33 PM)
Bro....if you read back all my statement, you'll understand that I try to say that at 100%,
if the information of 10MP is cannibalized to become 8MP due to noise reduction, you'll
see that it is sharper at 100% cropped. Notice that I said 100% cropped.
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(note: I'm questioning your logic where you spoke about resizing a 10MP picture to 8MP, not about 10MP vs 8MP sensors)

If you put a 100% crop of the two pictures next to each other on the same monitor, I agree that the lower MP version of the picture can look sharper.

But if you were to compare it fairly, which means that you maintain the visual size of the pictures when comparing them, I can't see how the lower MP version of the picture can look sharper. Maintaining the visual size could mean making a high-resolution print of them, or varying the distance from the display to you.

And if you were to say that "10MP is cannibalized to become 8MP due to noise reduction", then what you're saying is that 2MP of 10MP is worthless. Now think - does the resizing technique you use remove those 2MP of worthless pixels; in other words does it know which 2MP are useless? Or does it simply mix the worthless pixels with the good ones indiscriminately?
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 5 2009, 11:31 AM)
(note: I'm questioning your logic where you spoke about resizing a 10MP picture to 8MP, not about 10MP vs 8MP sensors)

If you put a 100% crop of the two pictures next to each other on the same monitor, I agree that the lower MP version of the picture can look sharper.

But if you were to compare it fairly, which means that you maintain the visual size of the pictures when comparing them, I can't see how the lower MP version of the picture can look sharper. Maintaining the visual size could mean making a high-resolution print of them, or varying the distance from the display to you.

And if you were to say that "10MP is cannibalized to become 8MP due to noise reduction", then what you're saying is that 2MP of 10MP is worthless. Now think - does the resizing technique you use remove those 2MP of worthless pixels; in other words does it know which 2MP are useless? Or does it simply mix the worthless pixels with the good ones indiscriminately?
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bro, I only want to stress the sentence in bold above.

Asides from that, of course I did not said 8MP sharper than 10MP by making
high resolution print of them. To say that is asking everyone to shoot me. shakehead.gif

That's why I need to stress that I only talk about 100% crop and nothing else. This is
because FeeD talk about his 100% crop. Not high resolution printing. So please read all
the post first or else, we argue also no point.
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Hi guys. Anyone here try shooting fire? I can't seem to get any good picture of fire. Always overexpose. If I use a faster shuttle speed, there won't be enough light coming in. Any idea?
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QUOTE(Aurora @ Jan 5 2009, 01:25 PM)
Hi guys. Anyone here try shooting fire? I can't seem to get any good picture of fire. Always overexpose. If I use a faster shuttle speed, there won't be enough light coming in. Any idea?
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Go to manual, and do trial and error. If the shutter speed is too fast, then make it slower, play around with the settings until you get results which you are satisfied with.
Anyways, if you're focusing towards the fire, the camera should give a good exposure, I'm suspecting the reason why your pictures are overexposed to be that you're focusing not at the fire, but somewhere near it which is darker, therefore the camera overexposes. blink.gif
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I have tried manual. I notice there is some kind of glowing effect by the edge of flare, like the line between flare and background is not clear and diffuse together. Will try post some photos later.
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hi, just bought a black lx3 at tarita at sg wang for RM1550. i grab the only unit yesterday.
got casing, mini tripod & panasonic sdhc 4gb.
i check the firmware already v1.1

the owner said new stock will come this week or next week.

but,

the shop supervisor try to con me to buy unnecessary things
uv lens protector + lcd protector for RM400
and add 3 more years warranty for RM200 because he said panasonic only give warranty for 1 year only.


gila.

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QUOTE(blackorange @ Jan 5 2009, 03:02 PM)
hi, just bought a black lx3 at tarita at sg wang for RM1550. i grab the only unit yesterday.
got casing, mini tripod & panasonic sdhc 4gb.
i check the firmware already v1.1

the owner said new stock will come this week or next week.

but,

the shop supervisor try to con me to buy unnecessary things
uv lens protector + lcd protector for RM400
and add 3 more years warranty for RM200 because he said panasonic only give warranty for 1 year only.
gila.
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congratulation. The uptake of this camera is at neck breaking speed....

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