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Photography Panasonic LX-3 King of the King of digicam Updated, LEICAF2.0,1/1.63 sensor,24mm,HD,hotshoe

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post Jan 2 2009, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 2 2009, 10:26 PM)
erm, same condition means at the same place/time/etc. Everything same.

Anyway, if 8MP, probably your lens and Nikon lens resolution is same.
But since Nikon 8MP and Panasonic 10MP, so:
Sharpness at 100% = lens resolution/CCD resolution
If lens resolution is equal, with increase CCD resolution, sharpness at 100%
will be bad for Panasonic.  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_idea.gif
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Mr gogo2..wat do u meant by lens resolution??i never heard any term like "lens resolution"..
don try to confuse ppl here.. blush.gif blush.gif

da megapixel will only make differences when da photos is being enlarge or zoom..
tat's y some professional photographer need a higher mp camera in order to get higher printing resolution..
but if normal usage like us..10mp is more than enough..juz like PCHo say..da sharpness of da photo is mainly
due to lens,aperture,shutter speed,and handshaking will cause ur photo become blur as well...
tat's y we nid a tripod when shoot in slow shutter speed..higher shutter speed will contribute a sharper image..

anyway..i sold my lovely LX-3 today..and now i m "camera-less"... cry.gif cry.gif


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post Jan 2 2009, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(zeeker87 @ Jan 2 2009, 11:50 PM)
Mr gogo2..wat do u meant by lens resolution??i never heard any term like "lens resolution"..
don try to confuse ppl here.. blush.gif  blush.gif

da megapixel will only make differences when da photos is being enlarge or zoom..
tat's y some professional photographer need a higher mp camera in order to get higher printing resolution..
but if normal usage like us..10mp is more than enough..juz like PCHo say..da sharpness of da photo is mainly
due to lens,aperture,shutter speed,and handshaking will cause ur photo become blur as well...
tat's y we nid a tripod when shoot in slow shutter speed..higher shutter speed will contribute a sharper image..

anyway..i sold my lovely LX-3 today..and now i m "camera-less"... cry.gif  cry.gif
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doh.gif if you don't know anything about photography, you can shut up my friend.
Lens have sharpness too. doh.gif
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post Jan 2 2009, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 2 2009, 10:59 PM)
actually picture sharpness also depends on your lens. So when Panasonic
lens and Nikon lens same sharpness, when you see at 100%, your Panasonic
photo will be larger. Sure its less sharp right?

Or look at this way. You have 1 same photo. One is enlarge 80%. One is enlarge
100%. Which one is more sharp?

The thing is, even your lens have different sharpness at difference zoom and
aperture. So its very hard to compare. tongue.gif
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oh ... laugh.gif thanks for the heads up !!

So to increase the sharpness you have to use smaller MP ??

This post has been edited by SeeD: Jan 2 2009, 11:55 PM
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post Jan 2 2009, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 2 2009, 11:54 PM)
oh ... laugh.gif thanks for the heads up !!

So to increase the sharpness you have to use smaller MP ??
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You can resize your photo to 8MP and see whether its the same sharpness or not lor.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 2 2009, 11:52 PM)
doh.gif if you don't know anything about photography, you can shut up my friend.
Lens have sharpness too.  doh.gif
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wow..yea..i m noob in photographic..so continue ur superb theory teaching thn..lol.. whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Jan 3 2009, 12:05 AM

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No flaming here please lol
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post Jan 3 2009, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 2 2009, 11:56 PM)
You can resize your photo to 8MP and see whether its the same sharpness or not lor.
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SOmehow this does not make sense shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 3 2009, 12:20 AM)
SOmehow this does not make sense  shakehead.gif
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Why not? Small pic is always sharper than bigger pic if the information
is the same. Let's say you have 2MP picture. You resize to 4MP. Then
you view both 2MP and 4MP picture at 100%. See which one is more sharp
at 100%.

If not understand, pls ask. Not shake head. Its very rude of you.
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 3 2009, 12:20 AM)
SOmehow this does not make sense  shakehead.gif
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it makes sense ... i always resize my pic smaller to look pretty lol
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post Jan 3 2009, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 3 2009, 12:22 AM)
If not understand, pls ask. Not shake head. Its very rude of you.
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wow..nice..lol..respect urself and don talk crap here~ shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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post Jan 3 2009, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 3 2009, 12:24 AM)
it makes sense ... i always resize my pic smaller to look pretty lol
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Anyway, I also think my Fuji F40fd looks blur at 100%. Can you share
100% pic of Nikon and Panasonic crop....? That's if you're free to do so..thanks..
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 3 2009, 12:22 AM)
Why not? Small pic is always sharper than bigger pic if the information
is the same. Let's say you have 2MP picture. You resize to 4MP. Then
you view both 2MP and 4MP picture at 100%. See which one is more sharp
at 100%.

If not understand, pls ask. Not shake head. Its very rude of you.
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It works when you say it this way. It doesnt work the other way around.
If what you're saying is true, then you'll have a paradox where the picture will get sharper and sharper each time you resize it.
What you said in the first place was to resize a 10MP picture to 8MP to make it sharper. That already doesnt make sense as you're already throwing away information. You could be referring to another thing, but resizing a picture that way just isn't right. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 3 2009, 12:40 AM)
It works when you say it this way. It doesnt work the other way around.
If what you're saying is true, then you'll have a paradox where the picture will get sharper and sharper each time you resize it.
What you said in the first place was to resize a 10MP picture to 8MP to make it sharper. That already doesnt make sense as you're already throwing away information. You could be referring to another thing, but resizing a picture that way just isn't right.  whistling.gif
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if you care to read my earlier post, then you'll understand my paradox. But its just my
gut feeling that eventhough Panasonic is 10MP, but in reality, its just 8MP information
due to cannibalize post processing especially night scene. Get over with it bro. No point
arguing if you keep on thinking you must win.

This post has been edited by gogo2: Jan 3 2009, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 3 2009, 12:43 AM)
if you care to read my earlier post, then you'll understand my paradox. But its just my
gut feeling that eventhough Panasonic is 10MP, but in reality, its just 8MP information
due to cannibalize post processing especially night scene. Get over with it bro. No point
arguing if you keep on thinking you must win.
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Now you're using your gut feeling to explain things.
You could say that Panasonic's 10MP picture is in reality only 8MP due to cannibalising, but then the exact same thing will happen to any other cameras. The Nikon's 8MP will become 6MP due to cannibalising.
The point isn't me trying to win here, bro.
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 3 2009, 12:50 AM)
Now you're using your gut feeling to explain things.
You could say that Panasonic's 10MP picture is in reality only 8MP due to cannibalising, but then the exact same thing will happen to any other cameras. The Nikon's 8MP will become 6MP due to cannibalising.
The point isn't me trying to win here, bro.
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Yeah....still using my gut feeling coz we don't have all the information here. So we need SeeD to give
us more info... laugh.gif
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haiyo... why argue...
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Well unfortunately I can't find any picture that's identical to be compared laugh.gif
All got different settings ...

Do you guys still want the cropped 100% ? LOL ~
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QUOTE(ifer @ Jan 3 2009, 12:54 AM)
haiyo... why argue...
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LoL.....i replied SeeD's post.....go watch a movie......come back got debate d.
hahahaha.....

Guys, chill~!
We r doing info sharing here.
Do provide links to useful info to backup your explanations if u have any.
No use saying who win, who lose.
Everyone is free to have their own opinions.
icon_rolleyes.gif *PEACE* icon_rolleyes.gif

gogo2, I read through ur posts......maybe ur level really a bit too pro for most users here.
Even I don't understand some of ur points (e.g. cannibalising & lens resolution).
Do have some patience explaning to noobs like me ya~!
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Added on January 3, 2009, 1:08 am
QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 3 2009, 01:04 AM)
Well unfortunately I can't find any picture that's identical to be compared laugh.gif
All got different settings ...

Do you guys still want the cropped 100% ? LOL ~
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I think it would help us greatly to understand ur claims on sharpness comparison between the LX3 and ur fren's Nikon.
Remember the EXIF ya~!
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Added on January 3, 2009, 1:10 am
QUOTE(zeeker87 @ Jan 2 2009, 11:50 PM)
anyway..i sold my lovely LX-3 today..and now i m "camera-less"... cry.gif  cry.gif
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Hey zeeker87, congrats on ur sale.
What are u planning to get now huh?
450D? 1000D? D90? E-520? G1?
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post Jan 3 2009, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 3 2009, 01:04 AM)
Well unfortunately I can't find any picture that's identical to be compared laugh.gif
All got different settings ...

Do you guys still want the cropped 100% ? LOL ~
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ooo..then its hard to compare liao...probably his auto pilot mode is better than
Panny since Panny have a lot of function...

QUOTE(PCHo @ Jan 3 2009, 01:07 AM)
gogo2, I read through ur posts......maybe ur level really a bit too pro for most users here.
Even I don't understand some of ur points (e.g. cannibalising & lens resolution).
Do have some patience explaning to noobs like me ya~!
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Sorry for messing up the thread.... notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 3 2009, 01:15 AM)
Sorry for messing up the thread.... notworthy.gif
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Dun worry.
Just share share info.
The rest also just trying to help.

Anyway, found an interesting read from wikipedia.

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A common problem among non-technicians is the use of the number of pixels on the detector to describe the resolution. If all sensors were the same size, this would be acceptable. Since they are not, the use of the number of pixels can be misleading. For example, a 2 megapixel camera of 20 micrometre square pixels will have worse resolution than a 1 megapixel camera with 8 micrometre pixels, all else being equal.
Lets wait for SeeD to post his photos.
Then we can better understand what this is all about.
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Good nite guys~!
And Happy New Year~!
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