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Ho Sun Sun
post Feb 7 2014, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Feb 6 2014, 09:23 PM)
need advice..

wanted to get panasonic FL washing machine, but SA didn't give a good review about it, he said Electrolux better.

is it true? price almost the same.
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The amazon reviews for panasonic r pretty good : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-NA-140VZ...e/dp/B00COOOY34

vs.

Review for electrolux : http://www.productreview.com.au/p/electrolux-ewn14991w.html

so, depends on which model. icon_rolleyes.gif

Quote from productreview.com

"On average Electrolux Front Loading Washing Machines have 2.2 stars from 859 reviews on 22 products."

"On average Panasonic Front Loading Washing Machines have 3.7 stars from 46 reviews on 3 products."

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post Feb 7 2014, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(bakso_cedap @ Dec 26 2013, 01:17 PM)
At last.. After read this thread i decided to buy LG direct drive 7 kg.  The price is without free gift.. rm1444..
I bought it at bhb jelutong...
The washing process so smooth and silent...
I'm really satisfied..
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Hi,

Mind sharing your experience in using the LG washing machine? How long it takes for regular wash? and is the inverter technology does really help saving on the electricity consumption?

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post Feb 7 2014, 11:58 AM

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Go for the mid range one as their components are have more quality to last longer....

For washing machine, i will choose electrolux....
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post Feb 7 2014, 04:04 PM

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WM : Samsung WA10VP
capacity : 8.5KG
service time : 2 years 4 month.


My washing machine just went kaput. At first it was not able to spin and i've check if something wrong with the belt. But everything was okay.

Later autopsy the WM and found out the drum were stuck and cause damage to the body which causes the drum not able to move. The drum also outbalance.

I've fix the drum and tried to balance the machine and hopefully the problem wont come again.

After a few wash due to unbalance drum it got stuck again without I noticing it. Now a bigger problem appear. The motor got overheated due machine try to spin and it was stuck and cause the motor to burn ( burning smell from the machine)

Now considering buying a new one perhaps front loader.


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post Feb 7 2014, 04:12 PM

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Front loader? Not bad. If you stay in European countries.
Tropical countries better use top loader. My JVC WM already clocked 8 years and still standing strong. My old Panasonic last for 12 years.
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post Feb 7 2014, 04:23 PM

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Hi all sifu,

Need some advise, I am planning to get one LG WF-HX140GV type of WM. That how the sales person advise me to take this.

It this WM ok? Any other shop can recommend in Puchong/PJ, they charged me around RM2449.00. rclxub.gif


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post Feb 7 2014, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(jienfung @ Feb 7 2014, 04:23 PM)
Hi all sifu,

Need some advise, I am planning to get one LG WF-HX140GV type of WM. That how the sales person advise me to take this.

It this WM ok? Any other shop can recommend in Puchong/PJ, they charged me around RM2449.00.  rclxub.gif
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Do you really need 14kg?
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post Feb 7 2014, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(jienfung @ Feb 7 2014, 04:23 PM)
Hi all sifu,

Need some advise, I am planning to get one LG WF-HX140GV type of WM. That how the sales person advise me to take this.

It this WM ok? Any other shop can recommend in Puchong/PJ, they charged me around RM2449.00.  rclxub.gif
Thanks
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I Not sifu, but bought the 12kg version, arrives trow. will write more later, 14kg is rm3xx more than 12kg,
Rm 1700 for 12kg.
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post Feb 7 2014, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 04:27 PM)
Do you really need 14kg?
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I do not know there are 12kg available to choose for, this is what they recommend to me. I told them I do not need 14kg for my family.

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post Feb 7 2014, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Feb 7 2014, 04:33 PM)
I Not sifu,  but bought the 12kg version, arrives trow.  will write more later, 14kg is rm3xx more than 12kg,
Rm 1700 for 12kg.
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Please update us about the performance later, where did you bough it, mind to share with us!! I find it kinda price competitive as compare to me.

Thanks H2D
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QUOTE(jienfung @ Feb 7 2014, 04:46 PM)
I do not know there are 12kg available to choose for, this is what they recommend to me. I told them I do not need 14kg for my family.

Thanks  notworthy.gif
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BTW, just some guide for you,
if you are a family for 4, even a 10KG will be enough. 1 matress can fit in to 10KG WM and some small items. But just a stupid question : how often you wash matress? 2 weeks or 1 month once only.
Getting bigger do have some advantages some times, but not all the time you will be using full load(this can kill the WM faster).
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post Feb 7 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 04:50 PM)
BTW, just some guide for you,
if you are a family for 4, even a 10KG will be enough. 1 matress can fit in to 10KG WM and some small items. But just a stupid question : how often you wash matress? 2 weeks or 1 month once only.
Getting bigger do have some advantages some times, but not all the time you will be using full load(this can kill the WM faster).
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I assume you are referring to comforter, which is usually the largest single piece item that people wash at home. I think 12-14 KG range gives sufficient margin so you don't overstress the WM. One of the advantages of a larger washing machine is you can wash more clothes at the same time, reducing the number of washes. That saves you water in the long run, and therefore is more environmentally friendly.
Besides, sometimes the difference between 2 capacities for the same sized WM is just the drum size, so might as well buy the bigger WM... more bang for buck.
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post Feb 7 2014, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 04:50 PM)
BTW, just some guide for you,
if you are a family for 4, even a 10KG will be enough. 1 matress can fit in to 10KG WM and some small items. But just a stupid question : how often you wash matress? 2 weeks or 1 month once only.
Getting bigger do have some advantages some times, but not all the time you will be using full load(this can kill the WM faster).
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I chose not to believe a mattress can fit into it. LOL doh.gif rclxub.gif

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post Feb 7 2014, 06:13 PM

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The line today blurs when it comes to choice. But there's a guiding principle that helps reduce the headache. Prioritize the following:

Budget - helps narrow choice but real decider should be Daily Load. TL cheaper than FL load for load but TL uses more water.

Daily load - how many person's load are expected 80% of the time for the next 10 years. Below is a guide only and should not be considered hard & fast rule:
5-7kg Single and renting; Married couple but have children leaving or have left the roost for good.
8-10kg for household of up to 4 adults or 2 adults and up to 2 growing children under 10 years old
>10kg for household greater than 4 adults. Here TL have greater load capability/$ than FL but losing out on economy of water usage per wash

Hot wash - FL accommodates this easier than TL although some TL has them (up to 50 degrees)

Economical water consumption- FL beats TL

Economical electricity consumption - TL beats FL

Washing features - specific needs like rapid wash 15/30mins or bedding & towels. TL can add load during wash vs FL except hybrid loader (top load access but front load rotating style drum as seen commonly in HK. In the US, Staber is one such company that sells this but is commonly followed by others)

Reliability - traditional view hints European > Japanese > Korean but my reasoning is that water quality determines how long WM lasts. But nowadays parts are from China and FL WM build in Thailand (Bosch Siemens Hitachi aka BSH joint venture) or Turkey. True reliability indicator is whether water filter or conditioning (in countries where there's lots of lime/calcium carbonate) is used. Hence their usage influences WM and Dishwasher breakdown as a whole descending order: Filtered at POU > Filtered at POE > Unfiltered (greater chance of harming washing machine). My old condo when I moved in was not filtered. Clothes came out yellowish. Install membrane and clothes did not discolor. Also prevents harmful particles and sediments from affecting the pump etc.

Maintenance. Needs regular self inspection of 1. inlet - inspect sediment screen 2. sump (port at bottom right corner) for any coins or anything that may block the pump,etc. One lesson I learn from dishwashers is that they last longer because of hot wash temperatures at 70degree. So following a forumer's advice on FL - regularly clean drum at 90degree once every 2 months or after x number of washes. This helps reduce mould build up that may clog pump. TL even if it does not have hot wash option may have less pump issue due to gravity assistance (but discharge no higher than 10cm4") but may encounter black specks settling on clothes due to mould build up on outer drum layer (not seen) loosening them during spin. Hitachi has auto self-clean feature for drum in both TL and FL which reduces this occurrence.

Warranty - motor 5-10 years; general 1-2 years; do the manufacturer honour within duration of warranty period or one time only after which the defective part is payable on the second claim?

Service and spare parts turnaround- depends on where you live and how near is the service center. Depends also on who is the appointed repair outfit. Most importantly if the service center stock up spares or order on demand. My old Europa Washwell (Italian designed - locally marketed) spares was well stocked but sadly it was discontinued when I last repaired it. Turnaround time was next business day and it was located in Shah Alam not far from where I live.

Build quality - the lines are blurred here. Depends who shouts the loudest I suppose. Generally hints towards European (Bosch, Electrolux) > Japanese & Korean but each one's mileage may vary

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post Feb 7 2014, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 7 2014, 05:11 PM)
I assume you are referring to comforter, which is usually the largest single piece item that people wash at home. I think 12-14 KG range gives sufficient margin so you don't overstress the WM. One of the advantages of a larger washing machine is you can wash more clothes at the same time, reducing the number of washes. That saves you water in the long run, and therefore is more environmentally friendly.
Besides, sometimes the difference between 2 capacities for the same sized WM is just the drum size, so might as well buy the bigger WM... more bang for buck.
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You think only. Why you like to simply do assumptions. I have a matress(or comforter) which after I put it in, I still can put others. Now I only wash it individually because others tends to stuck the washing operation. If you spend some extra time on reading their manual, they suggest that big item shall be washed individually.
I know you try to deny every 1 of my statements, but then do think the logic behind first before trying to make your self stupid.

QUOTE(mihonkenji @ Feb 7 2014, 05:32 PM)
I chose not to believe a mattress can fit into it.  LOL  doh.gif  rclxub.gif
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Well, you can choose not to believe in me, after all, is your money. I only giving my experience on saving money.
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post Feb 7 2014, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 07:21 PM)
You think only. Why you like to simply do assumptions. I have a matress(or comforter) which after I put it in, I still can put others. Now I only wash it individually because others tends to stuck the washing operation. If you spend some extra time on reading their manual, they suggest that big item shall be washed individually.
I know you try to deny every 1 of my statements, but then do think the logic behind first before trying to make your self stupid.
Well, you can choose not to believe in me, after all, is your money. I only giving my experience on saving money.
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I'm not sure why you think that way. As far as I can tell I don't think I have said anything particularly disagreeable. I do not wash mattresses because I vacuum them, seeing how it would be impossible fitting 6 by 6 latex/coconut fiber Getha into a washing machine smile.gif Comforters on the other hand, should I need to wash them, only go in individually. I think that's common knowledge seeing how the volume alone would fill the entire chamber. The 12-14 kg reference is really more for every day clothes and definitely you will save more if you wash less often. Why do you think hotels these days encourage us to help them reduce the washing frequency? The fact is, washing laundry really wastes a lot of water. If we can wash more clothes at one go we help save water compared to doing multiple loads
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 7 2014, 07:56 PM)
I'm not sure why you think that way. As far as I can tell I don't think I have said anything particularly disagreeable. I do not wash mattresses because I vacuum them, seeing how it would be impossible fitting 6 by 6 latex/coconut fiber Getha into a washing machine  smile.gif Comforters on the other hand, should I need to wash them, only go in individually. I think that's common knowledge seeing how the volume alone would fill the entire chamber. The 12-14 kg reference is really more for every day clothes and definitely you will save more if you wash less often. Why do you think hotels these days encourage us to help them reduce the washing frequency? The fact is, washing laundry really wastes a lot of water. If we can wash more clothes at one go we help save water compared to doing multiple loads
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Then in the first place you shall not using any washing machine. Case close, you use washing machine, sure waste water.
Hotel ask us to reduce is because their CEO need salary increase, that's it. I'm paying a premium for it, so I should be changing the towels everyday, for hygienic reason.By reusing towel for 2-3 days, chances of getting bacteria is higher.
BTW, since you keep on boasting bigger capacity washing machine is better and inverter air cond save a lot, how much your utilities bill cost you? Mine for the family of 3 only paying rm5 and electric bill rm70-80 a month.
And to burst your myth, using bigger washing machine do waste more water because out of 100 people, >90% of people like to see the cloths being submerged fully.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 08:19 PM)
Then in the first place you shall not using any washing machine. Case close, you use washing machine, sure waste water.
Hotel ask us to reduce is because their CEO need salary increase, that's it. I'm paying a premium for it, so I should be changing the towels everyday, for hygienic reason.By reusing towel for 2-3 days, chances of getting bacteria is higher.
BTW, since you keep on boasting bigger capacity washing machine is better and inverter air cond save a lot, how much your utilities bill cost you? Mine for the family of 3 only paying rm5 and electric bill rm70-80 a month.
And to burst your myth, using bigger washing machine do waste more water because out of 100 people, >90% of people like to see the cloths being submerged fully.
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I'd like to see where your 90% comes from. I use a front loader btw, and once I set it to the desired cycle, I don't stick around to see whether it submerges fully as long as my clothes come out clean. Besides, washing machines these days have sensors to detect the load size to determine the necessary amount of water required. My water bill is also around RM5, sometimes a bit less, so it's no big deal.

For some reason I cannot fathom why, I seem to have an unintentional talent for infuriating you sweat.gif Please don't take offense since there is none being given. I'm just sharing my own experience for the benefit of others as you are sharing yours.

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Feb 7 2014, 08:44 PM)
I'd like to see where your 90% comes from.  I use a front loader btw, and once I set it to the desired cycle, I don't stick around to see whether it submerges fully as long as my clothes come out clean. Besides, washing machines these days have sensors to detect the load size to determine the necessary amount of water required. My water bill is also around RM5, sometimes a bit less, so it's no big deal.

For some reason I cannot fathom why, I seem to have an unintentional talent for infuriating you  sweat.gif Please don't take offense since there is none being given. I'm just sharing my own experience for the benefit of others as you are sharing yours.
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TL and FL are total different story. Don't generalize them as same. And for FL type, the sensor are detect based on weight.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 09:08 PM)
TL and FL are total different story. Don't generalize them as same. And for FL type, the sensor are detect based on weight.
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Like I said, I'm just sharing my own experience.

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