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oe_kintaro
post Aug 8 2013, 05:15 PM

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I used a very old Electrolux combo washer dryer when I was living in a condo. The thing was built like a tank. It was 8 years old when I took possession and still working when I moved out 5 years later, except for a slightly funky timer.
Not sure about washing machines these days, but older ones tended to last longer because they didn't have alot of electronic parts...
Personally I'm partial to front-loaders. They are gentler on the clothes and use less water. Right now I'm using a Samsung. Let's see if it will last as long....
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post Aug 8 2013, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Dage @ Aug 8 2013, 05:32 PM)
How long have you been using and which model?
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Previously I used a super oldfag Electrolux model...EWD1214. That model is easily ten to twelve years old. Still working when I moved out.
Now I'm using LG WD CD 1412. (Sorry got confused with Samsung..my fridge is Samsung)
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post Aug 9 2013, 08:15 AM

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Yes my Samsung fridge has a digital inverter. Bought it mostly for the colour...only one that is white. tongue.gif feature wise OK la ..
Has a large freezer section. Realized too late the front part was plastic so I cant stick fridge magnets on it...
A typical modern design. The front part has a mini opening so I can grab small content without opening the whole door. Quite convenient and saves power. As for the LG washing machine, well, it has a lot of features and is much larger than my Electrolux so I can wash more clothes. However, not as gentle on my clothes as the Electrolux was. In my old machine, once in a while I would forget to take out pieces of tissue paper and it wouldn't mess up my clothes. In the new one, it goes all over the place and typically I would need to wash a 2nd round
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post Feb 7 2014, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 04:50 PM)
BTW, just some guide for you,
if you are a family for 4, even a 10KG will be enough. 1 matress can fit in to 10KG WM and some small items. But just a stupid question : how often you wash matress? 2 weeks or 1 month once only.
Getting bigger do have some advantages some times, but not all the time you will be using full load(this can kill the WM faster).
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I assume you are referring to comforter, which is usually the largest single piece item that people wash at home. I think 12-14 KG range gives sufficient margin so you don't overstress the WM. One of the advantages of a larger washing machine is you can wash more clothes at the same time, reducing the number of washes. That saves you water in the long run, and therefore is more environmentally friendly.
Besides, sometimes the difference between 2 capacities for the same sized WM is just the drum size, so might as well buy the bigger WM... more bang for buck.
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post Feb 7 2014, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 07:21 PM)
You think only. Why you like to simply do assumptions. I have a matress(or comforter) which after I put it in, I still can put others. Now I only wash it individually because others tends to stuck the washing operation. If you spend some extra time on reading their manual, they suggest that big item shall be washed individually.
I know you try to deny every 1 of my statements, but then do think the logic behind first before trying to make your self stupid.
Well, you can choose not to believe in me, after all, is your money. I only giving my experience on saving money.
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I'm not sure why you think that way. As far as I can tell I don't think I have said anything particularly disagreeable. I do not wash mattresses because I vacuum them, seeing how it would be impossible fitting 6 by 6 latex/coconut fiber Getha into a washing machine smile.gif Comforters on the other hand, should I need to wash them, only go in individually. I think that's common knowledge seeing how the volume alone would fill the entire chamber. The 12-14 kg reference is really more for every day clothes and definitely you will save more if you wash less often. Why do you think hotels these days encourage us to help them reduce the washing frequency? The fact is, washing laundry really wastes a lot of water. If we can wash more clothes at one go we help save water compared to doing multiple loads
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post Feb 7 2014, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 08:19 PM)
Then in the first place you shall not using any washing machine. Case close, you use washing machine, sure waste water.
Hotel ask us to reduce is because their CEO need salary increase, that's it. I'm paying a premium for it, so I should be changing the towels everyday, for hygienic reason.By reusing towel for 2-3 days, chances of getting bacteria is higher.
BTW, since you keep on boasting bigger capacity washing machine is better and inverter air cond save a lot, how much your utilities bill cost you? Mine for the family of 3 only paying rm5 and electric bill rm70-80 a month.
And to burst your myth, using bigger washing machine do waste more water because out of 100 people, >90% of people like to see the cloths being submerged fully.
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I'd like to see where your 90% comes from. I use a front loader btw, and once I set it to the desired cycle, I don't stick around to see whether it submerges fully as long as my clothes come out clean. Besides, washing machines these days have sensors to detect the load size to determine the necessary amount of water required. My water bill is also around RM5, sometimes a bit less, so it's no big deal.

For some reason I cannot fathom why, I seem to have an unintentional talent for infuriating you sweat.gif Please don't take offense since there is none being given. I'm just sharing my own experience for the benefit of others as you are sharing yours.

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post Feb 7 2014, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 09:08 PM)
TL and FL are total different story. Don't generalize them as same. And for FL type, the sensor are detect based on weight.
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Like I said, I'm just sharing my own experience.
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post Feb 7 2014, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 7 2014, 09:13 PM)
But you only state you are using different after being busted. Fell down already still want to pick some dirt up? Lame.
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Please lah you are the one assuming things. If you are in this sub forum long enough, you would know I've mentioned before I use a front loader
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post Feb 8 2014, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Feb 8 2014, 03:24 AM)
wf-hx120gv rrp = rm1999

quote from some shops...

HLK - 1699
TBC - 1720
TBM - 1750
Senheng - if member minus duno ? %
ESH - forgot, just call them
Onking - ?
Harvey - LG fler i met there said can get 1799.
these are my own assumption and opinion aft spending some time deciding/researching between fl tl...which brand...  rclxub.gif

don't trust any advice frm sa, they will come out with any cock n bull when they want to dispose certain model....
today this good, trow that good... doh.gif

washers today the quality is not the same like 10-20 years ago...

any brand/model will have the tendency to break down... luck is important...  laugh.gif
(maybe those expensive ones will have lesser chance)

For malaysia -
Samsung, LG - won't sell spare parts to consumers and dealers. ( called their cs to confirmed )
want to repair need to call them directly.

Pana, toshi, sharp, hitachi, electrolux - u can go there and buy parts on ur own.

LG is one of the world's largest washer manufacturer, top selling in US for several years,
their washer is sold in alot of countries.

Japanese brand mostly in SEA... can't even get/DL their user manual to study.

tbc....
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When it comes to big ticket items, TV, fridge and washing machines, probably the more likely to fail these days would be TV and washing machines. TV due to the amount of electronics, washing machines due to the mechanical stress from usage. To compound it, the newer WM models these days tend to fail earlier, also because of the additional electronics. All the shops I went to tell me the same story that PCBs tend to fry. sweat.gif
The first WM I used was a FL Electrolux Washer Dryer (probably bought around 1997) and it was still going strong when I moved out in 2013. A complete lack of fancy electronics was the probably reason tongue.gif
These days I'm not too sure yet but I bought an extra warranty package on those items just in case...

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post Feb 13 2014, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 13 2014, 03:27 PM)
Well, mine also never change till now even it is quite noisy.
DD models just come out in the recent few years, so it take some time to prove it self. But some of the uncles I know that bought it, about 5-6 years they need to change.
DD is nothing special, is just a move by manufacturer to cut cost.
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QUOTE(H2D @ Feb 13 2014, 03:37 PM)
i don't think DD is recent years...

the few uncles doesn't represent thousands of washers out there...

of cos there are differences btwn DD n belt...

but if pay the same price for belt n DD, i will go for DD>....
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DD is mechanically simpler. Yes it saves manufacturers cost, but mechanically simpler also means longer lasting as you don't have to worry about belts snapping or loss of energy. As long as the manufacturers have their engineering worked out. DD will definitely outlast belt driven systems. Plus, they are less noisy. From an engineering standpoint. DD mechanisms has been in use in many demanding applications over the years: HDDs, trains etc. If/When Electric Vehicles become the norm, you'll likely see more vehicles with DD as it is the most efficient mechanism to transfer energy to the wheel.

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post Feb 13 2014, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 13 2014, 07:45 PM)
Sure or not? Old school type got 3 parts, so always the weakest part will fail first, which is the belt.
While DD just only all-in-1.
Subject both of them on close to full load and see which 1 fail first.
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Put it this way... probability for a system to fail is the product of the components.
If as you say, belt driven is a 3 component system, then you have 3 potential points of failure. Mind you, these are not independent redundant systems, but 3 interlinked ones. So you have 3 chances to fail.

In a DD there's only 1. (this is oversimplifying, but I hope you get the idea of what I am talking about)

Put it in another way, we would be playing a game of Russian roulette where one person pulls the trigger 3 times vs person who pulls it once.

As an engineering concept DDs have their own engineering problems to solve, but all being equal, there's less chance to fail because of the mechanical simplicity.
It's a general rule that the higher the mechanical complexity, the more chance for failure.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 13 2014, 09:00 PM)
Sorry, your concept are wrong totally. In heavy industry equipment, just take power plant for example, their generator is driven by steam turbine(Tuanku Jaafar power plant at PD).
And it is using 3 parts also, generator, turbine and coupling.
Or take another more simple example, a pump, again, it is divided to 3 main parts, a motor, coupling and pump.
If follow your logic, why the engineers never design the pump and generator under 1 single package for simplicity sake?
Just before you can't answer and say I off topic, for washing machine, it is the same. For margin wise, changing a new set will be way better than doing repair work. DD when the tube failed, we have to change the whole set, unlike the split type, as every equipment are split, so the tube won't fail but the belt or motor will fail.
Do you see old school WM being send back to service center? How about DD type?
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I wouldn't classify a consumer product like washing machine as high-availability requirement heavy equipment , where replacement of a consumable part is far far cheaper than the cost of removing and repairing and where the service life is like 30-50 years. You can't simply throw out a steam turbine, but replacing a motor on consumer product a far simpler matter. The economics are simply very different.
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post Feb 13 2014, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 13 2014, 09:52 PM)
Economics are different? Yeah, end users like us are easier to be cheated. This is what you are trying to say?
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going by your logic, we would still be using cheap rotary dial phones because they're easier to repair and don't break instead of shelling out 2K for a smartphone that breaks in 2 years. Likewise, everyone would be using desktops that you can just change a card or desolder something when it breaks instead using an everything inside sleek tablet that you can't even replace the battery.
But unfortunately it doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. I may sound cynical, but the world is very unfair, and people like nice things and keep finding and demanding new ways of doing things. Sometimes it is better sometimes, it is not: We don't actually need smartphones, but now we can't live without them because they're so convenient and we keep finding new uses for them!

That's just a fact we have to live with. Sometimes in the factory you have yield detractors causing 0.5 to 1 percent loss in manufacturing and you spend countless hours trying to solve it, until you realize that it's cheaper and faster throw away that problem and absorb the cost rather that spend the engineering time and resource to fix it.
Where DD is concerned, the manufacturer typically warranties it for 10-12 years. From a consumer point of view, that's good enough for me, since I wouldn't want to waste my time taking it apart myself. I would only be paying for labor costs at most should it break down.

 

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