unlocked multiplier by amd still make oc easy. thats amd plus point.
amd motherboard and combo are still cheaper than intel. quad crossfire and cf at cheap price.
intel are still quite steep dont you think?

hmm, the current situition are:
amd come out with cheap dualcore, ppl will think intel is expensive coz they r comparing with C2D, not pentium dualcore
amd come out with BE, to cover their weakness on hard tweak on normal htt overclocking
intel selling C2D with 2x, 3x,4x of x2 price, because no ppl can beat their C2D
intel board are expensive, because manufacturer focus on highend board for intel, not amd
amd combo look cheaper, but in fact, they both are around the same range, with similar performance

Today, AMD are focusing on marketing to survive, this is only thing they can do for now.
Intel is using AMD weak processor performance now, to gain more $$.

this is what i could see, for now

i do agreed wit it......i no think AMD is weak processor.
All the thing is depend on how much money poket u hv ...budget ..budget

with RM2K rig u think AMD is better or intel ??

This post has been edited by digswell: Aug 15 2008, 02:15 AM

amd knocked the door to failure, with the phenoms to be honest. They had superb control on the dualcore market. I think even a DUal Core e2140 like mine, would be able to upstage an AMD easily.

For comparison, can someone here give a beating to a 20m 01s on 3.2Ghz of E2140? This is done on a 1:1 divider. Architecture is just far more superior thats all

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Added on August 15, 2008, 2:17 ami would say an e2140 would give a good run with rm2000

This post has been edited by a1098113: Aug 15 2008, 02:17 AM

no with 32 bit bandmark software ..yes i do agreed intel is much better the amd in SPI.....HOW long time hv to take if u converting photo image raw files from canon camera to image jpeg files or PSD files very big resolution ??

the photo JPEG files properties is like this


This post has been edited by digswell: Aug 15 2008, 02:42 AM

Do bump up ur HT link and NB 1 more level. So u can do some maths... plus the oc' keep your HTlink and NB around 1800 range. Not sure about 790FX.. but i think ur board also would handle HT/NB at 2000mhz no issue.

edit: saw ur screenshot again. ur rams are running 1000mhz. whats the volts u giving them? any sifu here
know if his rams can run that high? For now maybe u should change ram divider to lower the speed.

This post has been edited by cyloh: Aug 15 2008, 08:07 AM

The RAM now running at 2.1v. Tried 2.2v but still hang when stressing. Will try to bump the HT and NB 1 more level and change RAM divider. Thanks cyloh

Nice rig you have there yamakashi.
Only times decides it.Even if AMD cannot beat it via Mhz,let it beat via architechture.Like before Athlon XP 1.4 Beat 1.8?
Well..i said again,only times decides it.

Who beat who and by how.. Intel and AMD still win. Cause our money goes into their pockets.
Not trying to start fire here, but my ol' darkside proc at stock still win(or on par) with an overclocked
deneb ES superpi 1m.

I just want deneb to be ok-ok and once selling is rm8xx or below. That will be good enough for me to
jump back.

u can't compare d capability of a chip just on d aspect of sp. sp itself doesn't totally reflect how gud a chip is. no doubt intel's e2xxx series is d best bang for bucks chips, but for those who are into other kinda figure fever like 3dmarks (where no. of core gives better scores), e2xxx series are no longer live up to d expectation.

totally agree w u bro. it's pointless to argue who'll be better than who in d future as what important is d present, & that belongs to intel. period.



This post has been edited by ah_khoo: Aug 15 2008, 09:42 AM

e21 can live up with flying rams and good graphics card.. common guys we all know why amd gives better startups of programs. Thats due to the internal memory controller that AMD employs, which doesnt require latencies to occur due to the data being transfered to the North Bridge then to the ram. This reduces time for things like conversion or perhaps gaming. Simple. But when it comes to softwares which require heavy bandwidth of data transfer, intel definitely has an upper hand.

Oh well, if you guys did have the time check this 3dmark2006 comparison. Top in line, phenom x4 9850 on 3.3ghz and single card 3870

http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=736282

and the good old "crappy" e2140 on 2.4Ghz and single card 3870

http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=749657

Now to compare on lets say SisoftSandra which is from my noob info, a memory benchmark

An e2140 on high clocks.
http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=656772

An Amd 9850 x4 on high clocks
http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=730133

On this benchmark, phenom does have a high big edge over the DualCore due to its architecture, but remember, this is on quad core

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Added on August 15, 2008, 9:48 amAnyways, no hard feelings here, but im just learning about how AMD performs on benchmarks.

This post has been edited by a1098113: Aug 15 2008, 09:48 AM

well, i'm not pro enuf in doing detailed comparisons, but logically in 3dmark06, a litely clocked toliman will score better than superclocked e2xxx due to 1 extra core (i'm comparin cpu score here).

in fairness, each intel & amd have their own pros & cons, just that at this moment intel is d clear winner. but still, not everyone buyin "intel is d best (be it performance wise or price), so we must buy it" thingy, else, there won't be any healthy competition in cpu market, & obviously there won't be such thread.

i think we should stop this off opic discussion at once, pls respect d thread.

cheers, no offence to the thread just some info thats all. Now back to my noobness to AMD

bro ah_khoo.... 3ghz benchies coming soon?
biostar 790gx .... can make u bomb ur 9550 to new heights.

waiting is so hard. news on the streets is... deneb is still on track for a Q4 release.
wuuu so near yet so far

what is the highest vcore that is safe for 24/7 operating ?
this is the result i get that is prime stable...


This post has been edited by lloyd1030: Aug 15 2008, 10:44 AM

come to amd thread talking intel?

i did some of my personal comparison.

e2180 + i45 + = rm695 . oc>3.5ghz with 1.55v.
f3 4600+ ta790x = rm485. oc > 3.4ghz with 1.4v.
5000be + ta790x = rm550. oc. 3.2ghz with stock.

q6600 + i790x = rm1100 . oc > 3.5ghz with 1.55v?
phenom 9950be + 790x = rm 1060. oc 3.5ghz with 1.5v.

reason i taken i45 instead of ta790x because of comparing around same specification. ep35 is only using pcie 1.0.
both 790x and i45 has crossfire 16x/8x.

Owh no... sister imsmiko is furious now.

q6600 + i790x? i am confused abit.
psst..... 790gx cheaper o.... if buy biostar low end 790gx

nope bro, i'm sick lately (sore throat + blocked nose ), not much time to play w/ d quaddy but i can guarantee u 3.0GHz is not possible on ax78. u gotta wait for 790gx board for that.

1.4v still consider healthy enuf for 24/7, but i never really run my chip @ vcore > 1.35v on daily basis.

This post has been edited by ah_khoo: Aug 15 2008, 11:07 AM

hi there i'm new to overclockin and i jz got my new pc... i looking forward to overclocking it... and i heard here is the best place to learn...

here is my spec...

processor - AMD Phenom X4 9850 2.5Ghz Black Edition
motherboard - MSI K9A2 Platinum 790fx
graphic card - MSI 4870
ram - 4gb KHX 1066


plz teach me overclock those stuff... i using a termaltake liquid cooling for my cpu! and 650 real power coolermaster power supply... i try on my own but i didnt know how to use the ClockGen software and all...

Hmm..u got nice rig there.Just the mobo,how i wish u using 790GX Motherboard.
Anyway,have u learn about Basic of Overclocking for AMD?