You really gave me such impression until your reply above. thanks for clearing that out.

But I also quite disagree for low quality as Proton Savvy are undergone a TUV certification process and AFAIK that covers part supplier/vendor....

May I know where can I get the source for things like warranty claim or major repair statistics for Proton Savvy?

I would also like to know the design flaw for the Campro engine as I'm also a Gen.2 owner for now and frankly speaks, it never gave me any fault, FC nor performance issue so far except there's a time that the Lambda sensor contaminated. Thanks.

Campro problem

there was a thread on Gen2 campro S4PH breaking down.

so far our Savvy D4f still going strong
FYI, only the 1st batch Savvy gone through TUV certification.

This post has been edited by gary_cheah85: Oct 9 2008, 08:28 PM

I'm suspecting the brake switch related problem as this happened to my car as well. If this is true the car might also experience sporadic jerk at 20km/h on 2nd gear.......

The solution for my car is to change the brake pedal.... No problem for now.

For proton cars, whenever the warning light is on or lit, the problem should properly registered to the ECU and can be retrieved by using Proton Diagnostic Tools.

Try also not to depress the brake when you turn the key to ON position (No problem when you start the engine).

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Added on October 9, 2008, 8:44 pm....This is not even a design flaw for me as if it is it'll certainly hit major of Campro owners....this is more like a manufacturing problem on batches...Like Proton Wira's bonnet problem....

If to mention as a defect than something like this should happened:-

http://www.petitiononline.com/TMC2003/petition.html

AFAIK TUV certification did not work this way.....

My company's TUV certification is valid until major component vendor are changed....

I dunno IF proton did that for the beloved Savvy.....

thanks for sharing the story BTW. Learned a new campro issue.

This post has been edited by navigator: Oct 9 2008, 08:44 PM

I am not sure why but you always seem to misunderstand me. Maybe my English is not up to standards.

What I meant was Proton cannot be held accountable for "design flaw" for something they did not design.
They did not design the AMT system, so they cannot be faulted for "design flaw" in the AMT system.
Proton designed the Campro engine, so they can be held accountable for any engine-related problem
that affects a large number of users. I am using the Campro engine as a candidate for a "design flaw"
possibility because that is the only vital automotive component that is designed by Proton.

...or maybe I have problem to understand english.... perhaps?

Proton should be accountable for the design flaw once they use the component in their product. This is very clear of that and also mentioned by proton R&D techies....

After read the broken campro story, I also wondered if I'm the nex victim as my car are now 90k km & I'm also a very spirited driver....before the petrol rise to RM2.70.....

Well....Just went through the google & found that broken crankshaft happens on other cars as well...

This post has been edited by navigator: Oct 9 2008, 09:24 PM

Don't worry, this particular Campro engine problem has not reached a critical level that affects many users yet.
But it is good to monitor the situation and see where it is heading.

haha. me too did try to recreate the scene when auto light turn on, but failed.

most likely when u inform sc, they will only resetting ur ecu/tcu. but for me just inform them for a record. who knows in future, if anything happened especially after warranty, those record can b some kind of proof that the probs occur b4 warranty expired.

i heard only 1st batch of savvy got tuv certified.

in savoc, those with tuv certified got tuv logo stick on their car. mine doesnt hv any.

d4f rocks erh. hehe.

how do you guys look at AMT in 5 years from now? forgotten?

forgotten?

i believe other cars manufacturer will throw away wet clutch aka normal auto and use amt/dual clutch in the future instead.

bro navi, forgot to ask, what do u mean change brake pedal?

Even if the hv record, they won't claim for you once warranty over...u know la...standard practice to make money.

。。。。。。if that's the case, I would really like to know what kind of TUV certification they're using

our company's case is that we're allowed to have revision upgrade but source of part must be certified.....but IMO TUV means nothing actually, TUV certified thing still prone to be defective...

ah, all proton engine rocks.

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Added on October 10, 2008, 5:41 amthey're not wet clutch....they're torque converters & do not called a clutch as there's no physical contact involved when transferring power to gearbox.

I think torque converter will still be around for normal sedan as they do have their specific advantage over clutch system.

But of course, performance model will eventually mode to Dual sequential gearbox.... so called DSG like what used in Nissan GT-R R35 & golf....which some of them require frequent firmware upgrade.

I changed my brake pedal assembly to solve my brake switch problem which caused AMT jerk as mentioned on my car.... The jerk is still there IF I turn the key to ON while fully depressing the brake.....

This post has been edited by navigator: Oct 10 2008, 05:44 AM

yo! i finally can announce i got my car already!
immediately taken car then drive 350km to penang. damn syok. had a very nice drive all the way peaking at 150km/h
but eat petrol 4 bars will pump full tank later to see whats the actual usage.

problems arised:
1brake lamp always on
- found a loose brake sensor button
- cause amt to work crazy esp in parking mode
- reconnect then ok
2. foggy rear lamps

3. fallen front plate

merdeka promotion still got meh until now? and the savvy is a 2008 model..

wondering..hmmm

promo until until 31 oct

i donno but from some of my reading, some of it referring torque converter as wet clutch. though i understand it works differently with normal clutch. i guess its just a name? or actually wet clutch and torque converter are 2 diff things?

In technical terms that I know, anything transfer power by utilizing friction is called a clutch. But Torque converter is transfer power by utilizing hydraulic...

Wet clutch usually refer to ....Honda Cub punya clutch system lo, rendam dlm minyak itam punya.

From the 6th bar, how much km u run?

then 5th bar, how many km?

i remember 1 bar gone at arn 100km. dint relly remmeber

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Added on October 10, 2008, 11:25 pmreally had a hard time getting used to the gearbox

today at a junction i put neutral. when green light i could not go into drive. damn malu kena hon. then i remember got to press brek first then can masuk gear. then it worked.

want to ask u guys.. when u drive in D mode, how to determine when to release accelerator to avoid jerking? esp when gear 1 to 2 to 3?

This post has been edited by lj0000: Oct 10 2008, 11:25 PM

familiar?

should be savvy right ?

.. Happen to me also when first time drive the car. i thought the AMT already kaput. i didn't even know u must press brake paddle to shift to D. luckily maybe i press the brake accidentally when shifting thus make the car move.

hypermount >> it's savvy alright... yeah.. melayu boleh..

This post has been edited by zurggie: Oct 11 2008, 07:13 AM