Lets continue our discussion here

I noticed that the previous thread has been closed due to spam and flame among some forumers. I hope the flame do not bring over here ...
Even if it does, mod please do the appropriate by warn them instead of closing the whole thread


Lets continue with our gambling discussion here ... sharing is caring

Care to share more pantang larang and feng shui that really work ?

Anyone has win real lots consistantly ?

Any advice from pro gambler (obviously there are some but keep low profile)


I wonder is gambling depends more toward luck/fengshui/pantang larang thingy or more toward maths


Lets together discuss and share your thoughts here ... all gamble, be is real gambler or those gambling for fun

isnt okay to discuss the gambling topic at here?

anyway if you only seldom gambling, you r depend on luck. But those people who gambling for whole time, they are using technique.

People say wear red undies to "pik cheh". And dont knock someone at their shoulders...

Also go find a table which handle by bad luck dealer.

you can never change the hand you get, but you can change the way you play it. luck is something you rely on if you're there to lose money.

Can u stop gambling or not ??

ah, the only game that i played in casino is baccarat.. only player and banker, winning probality 50%
sometimes i see some pro uncle suddenly buy 'pair' or 'equal sum' then i also follow

Yeah baccarat

fastest and highest chances to win ....

But if want big return should move on to roulette .....

never goes to genting la.. sure lose money
just lost a couple of hundreds there

kaki gambler
cant help

some master/sifuu/addictors/old man said, if u wan to go gamble and win big, make sure u bring enough money to play as well..
if u have no 2k, dont itchy hand and go up
i think the reason being that if u meet ur luck, u will be able to win back.. if u meet ur luck and no money to play on, there u go walking out the gate with

Just went recently and played 3 card poker. Not a bad game.

Any tips on playing this game?

my bacarrat betting stratergies:

1)Look for table that has random result, eg PBPBPBPB....this means their shuffling with the 8 decks is random and average.
2)Wait for 3 times occurence of a result, eg PPP or BBB happen, then you bet opposite. eg, open PPP, now you should bet B.
3)If you lost bet on B again, if lost again, bet B again. In random table, it is very hard to get a so called dragon, eg 7 times in a roll open P or B.
4)If you have large bankroll, you can choose martingale system, if you are passive player like me, bet using the sequence of 1-1-3. Means you bet 1 unit, if lost bet one unit again, if lost, bet 3 unit, if lost again...means open 6 time in a role. You lost alot, but the apek and auntie beside you will win and smile at you, they strike 6 times....
5)I use this betting stratergy everytime I go genting.....everytime also win at least 5 unit and above.

GOOD LUCK

Thanks bulkbiz !!

How much is your capital average ?

I heard as for taisai, people would go for dragon table ... like 7times in a row

3 card poker? may i know what is that? 3 face up cards? i play hold'em and 7 stud but 7 stud i really don't get how to play
anyway anyone here into card counting?

I have to support this thread. Fuel price increased so if go genting also quite expensive in the long run. For myself the best game = baccarat. Don't bet over your limit is the key to win.

If really wanna win, then camp there and look for those table with clear statistics. Don't bet every turn

This post has been edited by oRoXoRo: Jun 26 2008, 04:00 PM

oro .. dun tipu la .. u said quit liaw ...

I am very happy to see this thread after the other one was closed.

Bashing out each other ( instead of Genting ) will only get this thread
closed again. So .......

Please, if you have nothing to contribute, do not criticise. We are
all adults here and we can judge for forselves.

Thank you to the contributors of the original thread. I just finished
reading all the 59 pages

All the best to the adventure seekers ( nice term for gamblers ha ha )

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Added on June 26, 2008, 6:52 pmWah - Genting very clever leh. I received complimentary return ticket for bus
departing from One Utama. I guess they noticed I never go up since the fuel
price increase.

Looks like I will have a chance to try some of the strategies mentioned in
the original thread. Very sensible to take one of the 16 combinations for
a four bet sequence using 1, 2, 4 and 8 units. I would conclude it as a Martingale
and using randomness to fight randomness ha ha. Chance of loosing is one out
of 16 so if lose, very sweh lor - go home lor.

For those who are wondering what I am talking about, read the original thread.

I will come back and post only after I have results.

This post has been edited by 8carimakan8: Jun 26 2008, 06:52 PM

Card counting ... You need to have good maths.

I know to count the value of each card, but I not sure how to implement in BJ in order to win. Just counting without the knowledge is nothing ..

Finally that day go up win rm150+ ... after minus petrol+tol = rm100


Feel like going again this weekend ...

I remember that skill comes by a real pro gambler...

He give tips to use random to beat randomness ... something up with 13 progression and use pascal triangle

shit...bocor rahsia.... tips like random to beat randomness can be very subjective. Depends on how you think about it. Genting aldy hired those expert to calculate the chances that they will lose so they will make changes but AFAIK casino's rules = perfecto.

the odds to banker is wayyy higher than the player..
very disadvantageous game for player i tink ..

reasons.. go figure out urself.

you actually read 59 pages? lol

then i think you dun understand the reason of counting

may i know what is 3 card poker?

3 card poker....
poker played with 3 card .

where pair plus depends on ur 3 cards
such as .. 1 pair = x 2
a set = x 3
straight x 4

and the list goes on

it requireds a big capital to win big in 3 card poker... totally depends on LUCK....

same goes to THREE PICTURE.... LUCK....

how do you differentiate between betting randomly and betting blindly

now we cant use card counting cz now de casino r using machine,once de cards r out,they ll put back into de shuffler n let de cards shuffle again...even in backjack 2...

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Added on June 29, 2008, 10:48 ami know a lot of method of card counting system ,de only way u can apply tad methods is playing in onlline casino with live dealer...bet365.com is de most reliable casino,n i think u guy can count card there..

This post has been edited by zhiming: Jun 29 2008, 10:48 AM

no the card will only be replace once it reaches a threshold....i doubt you can use it on online casinos although i have done that before....dunno if it's the basic strategy that worked out for me or is the cards

damn !! i lose another rm200 yesterday at casino

better play caribbean stud poker
at least they have the jackpot bonus

3card poker - stupid
3 picture - poor people play

Anyone know how to bet on 22:22:22:22 on 2nd column of Tai Sai ?

which box is that ? Anyone ?

Any double I guess. Example 1-1-3, 2-2-1 and so on.

Hmm

How it related to 22:22:22:22 ?
sometimes it goes 2:22:22:22

its 4 octec and 2nd column, pay 1 on 7

tomolo go change tyre cost me RM1.5K

so tomolo nite must go genting win back RM3K

hahahaha .. u siao bo ...

got gathering to genting mou

gathering to win $$$ or gathering to lose $$$? lol

Nobody know ?

Yesterday went up win some small amount pocket money

gathering to win some dough la...

genting?now scared ad..very strange..they say u will have beginner's luck..u will keep on winning and up to the point then u will lose everything back to the house..why?my bf won at least RM5000 there but then lost RM7000 back to them cos keep on playing and did not want to leave after winning..damn it!!!

do u guys believe a not? Normally i took out RM100 and end of the whole blardy 3hours session.. i'm still with RM100 or the most is RM125.

LoL.. i;m not a hardcore gambler though. just for fun

i love to play roulette...

whocares. Just share your tips.

i dunno how to give tips... when i play i just simply place my bets.. each round i place RM30 bets and on three different region

usually roulette how much u can win ?

i love to play roulette too ..
i normally bet on the quarters ..
eg. bet on 2nd and 3rd quarter ..
might require more capital but your winning chances are more than 50% ..
had my good and bad days on the table ..

that day went up won 200++

So, you are betting 2 columns , means coverage 24 out of 37 numbers.

I got a better technique to share.
Bet on 3 units on (1-18) AND 2 units on (25-36) . Means coverage 30 numbers out of 37.
Either win still 1 unit , because column is 1 pay 2.
In addition, you can cover 3-4 numbers with smaller bet (example RM5-10). Overall cover 34 numbers out of 37. Only 3 losing numbers out of 37 each game.

Anyone got better improvement?

I just lost rm500 yesterday night

***..............

U say u go on AUg 8

Haiz... u no more cure already

thinking to go tonite
good ah? crowded?

most success gambler will lost a lot, one day they will win big

nothing come easy )))

where is edwardng9949? is he doing ok? i need some feedback from the user which had use his system..

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Added on August 4, 2008, 2:15 pmwhen people say bet on tai sai at genting, they say bet on 'liam'... what is LIAM means? and what is "TING TONG" means..?


sorry for my noobness...

This post has been edited by jong52yuara: Aug 4 2008, 02:15 PM

i dunno wat 'liam' means.....

BUT "TING TONG" means alternate outcome... for an example if u play banker player > BPBPBPBPBPBP.... for tai sai will be BSBSBSBSBSBSBSBS.....

i love to play Caribbean stud poker...excited!!!

God of Gambler is here ~~~~~~

Listen! When you losing that time, stop it! No bet for the day.

When few times winning, Go go go! once 3 time consecutively lost stop for the day.

This is the ultimately golden rule in the gambling art~

for me i'll change table
don't ever stick to a table for long time, your luck won't last long

watch 21 watch 21 !!!!
hahahahaha....counting cards ?

Rule Number #2~

They would change the "He Guan"（和官？！） to neutralised your luck once they noticed you keep winning.

Therefore, you need to change table once the "He Guan" is changed, if and only if you luck is gone~

i hate those "He Guan" with sour face, like u kill his whole family or owe him few hundred millions

Basket!!! same experience here...

Some male "He Guan" quite LCLY ones

haha...

This post has been edited by edifgrto: Aug 5 2008, 03:23 PM

got quite a lot lenglui recently also
went up last sunday, woahhhh can cuci mata also

come 080808 ..we do gath lyn to genting hahah

eh friday n weekend good to go or not
damn not nice if its too crowded

tangan gatal on casino war alredi

genting will not change dealer.... each dealer got his/her resting period ....

4 table with 5 dealers, 1 will go rest for 20 mins and other will continue work,
the sequence is like that, for example..

00:00 - "A,B,C,D,E" 5 dealers start work. E will take over A, and A will go rest.
00:20 - Dealer-A came back and take over Dealer-B.
00:40 - Dealer-B came back and take over Dealer-C.
01:00 - Dealer-C came back and take over Dealer-D.
01:20 - Dealer-D came back and take over Dealer-E.
01:40 - Dealer-E came back and take over Dealer-A.
... the cycle goes on...


there is no such thing as when u win genting will change dealer....


im a ex-roulette dealer

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Added on August 6, 2008, 4:40 amcant blame them, working in casino very stress, calculation is doing in mind all the time, watching out for customer for post betting, avoid making mistake...........

although we are told by management to smile to customer, but the stress really cant make u smile.... concentrate in work to avoid being shoot by supervisor...

This post has been edited by shinobikit: Aug 6 2008, 04:41 AM

can someone tell me what is the BOLD words means? my questions is in italic

Is it each dealer only manage one game ? eg roulette only ?
I heard if you work in casino and resign, cannot go up in 2 years right ? How would they recognise you ?

I also heard that lots roulette croupier will pakat with player to win big big

yes they will pakat to get more commission
my friend worked before in Genting, as roulette croupier
1st they pakat with those uncle, they remember their phone number, they cannot copy down or take away anything from the table because their uniform don't have any pocket
they will split like 50:50, or 60:40, CCTV can record your action but cannot record your voice

I did, last weekend.. Lost 1k T_T

i bet 1 unit = 100. Following his method, i lost on my first try.....

edwardng is physco conman, his double up while you lose system is an instant failure,
no such thing as holy grail, but there are ways .....


roulete is my game,
the more you play the more you'll win, here's a net of RM$20,400 in a 8hour session!
no blinks from casino manager, no sweat with casino, and no such thing as getting banned from casino for winning continuously ...



This post has been edited by Joehans: Aug 15 2008, 05:33 AM

I received genting WorldCard Blue Colour via mail yesterday.
is this the card we use in casino ? Or different one ?

I did not sign up anything, but they send the card to me .. kinda surprise

blue is the 1st card after u apply, then green card, gold and platinum

roulette, pontoon (21pts), baccarat, these 3 are the main game, and either 1 of 3 that new dealer would be assigned to learn.

then we also got to learn some fun games like french boule, tai sai, etc etc....

those higher game like poker will be senior/experience dealer.

pakat, yes, some dealer did that secretly...

Pai Gow damn hard to understand, until now also don't understand

Can intro some croupier that can pakat with me

I resigned in January, but the last time I went back to visit my friends, they say now they see the scams very seriously, many people get caught lately.

And one advice on scamming/pakat-ing, if you want to attract the croupier's attention to pakat, you've gotta get big bankroll, most dealers don't bother with small fish, since with big fish, their customer can normally get close to 10k in 1 -2 hours, and normal split is 7:3. I heard they place microphones in Hollywood Roulette tables, but i cannot confirm this. All I could say it, do so at your own risk, if you end up in lock-up, tough luck then.

As to the sour face, it's not really that the dealers could help it, sometimes when I felt happy, I would smile and try to get the numbers in Roulette with the highest bets, but most of the time, seeing those uncle and auntie talk shit all the time, you'd felt like slapping them and getting them to shut up.
As with the dealers dealing the card games, how would u feel if the customers decide to blow their cigarette smoke your way?

Another ex-casino staff lol.

I dont play big normally ... budget usually around rm200~400 per trip. But if the croupier could help, its easy to shot up to rm10k easily ..

Just curious how they pakat using roulette ? any other table game to pakat ?

RM200 can win until 10k?
i'm sure the management will drag u into their "VIP" room

where you bugger croupiers can predict the outcome?
this is just nonsense illusion created by the croupiers so can get more tips or respect whatever.

too many donkey croupiers tried to monkey around with the games again and again only to be caught by the eagle eyed lens
thats the reason why the donkeys get banned from entering casino for 2 years, not that casino are afraid of you milking casinos money away,
but the system is there to save your young backside from landing in Bentong jail

Croupiers cannot predict the future. And there is no 100% success rate in getting the number on the wheel. Heck, most RL dealers who scam are aiming for a range of numbers, normally, 15 numbers, to be exact, 7 numbers to the left and right of zero seems to be the popular range since most auntie and uncles bet there. Getting numbers in that range will surely attract a lot of attention and a lot of bets, probably to distract the surveillance since they are so many people there, can't know who exactly is the one that is pakating. The fact that some newbies could probably get the same result when he is not pakat-ing, you can't say that the dealer is scamming unless you have solid proof.

Anyways, no one can predict the future, the only thing the dealer does is either adjust the wheel speed to spin a little bit faster or spin the ball slower. There is a standard of 25 Rev per minute, but nobody follows it.

Most dealers know that RL could be manipulated, RL dealers or not. That's the reason why when there's heavy action and the table is losing money, the assistant managers would come and observe the wheel and ball spin. When it goes out of hand, the order is normally to do " Fast Wheel, Fast Spin", the would make the ball drop randomly because most people buy the same range, it would make people lose. Another inside news is that most new dealers are trained in RL, since most of them have no prior knowledge that results could be manipulated to some degree. And it is very rare for senior croupiers to crosstrain to RL.

If you don't believe me, there's nothing much I could do could I?The 2 year ban, I have no idea.

Normally the ones who get caught are they stupid ones. They either allow fresh bets, i.e, betting after the ball has dropped, or they delibrately give more cash chips. As to the recent monitoring, I don't really have a clue since most of the knowledge is based on hearsay.

By the way, contrary to other casinos, NO TIPPING IS ALLOWED in Genting. Whether the table is losing money or making money, genting pays you the same. Get more respect? I don't know, but all I know is that the dealers used the techniques learnt to avoid working. Since when people start losing money, they leave, hence, less work, less calculation. When the ball drops into the numbers where there's less betting, less work to be done. Lucky for the gamblers, nobody could get it right 100% of the time, on some days maybe, but not all the time and sometimes when you try each and every way, the ball still drops into the areas with the most bets, Get some, lose some...


As to your graph, pardon me for saying this, but 384 spins in 8 hours? That's 48 spin per hour. On days when games are fast, I average about 25-28 games per 1hour 20 minute cycle, and for weekends with heavy actions, about 15-20 game per 1hour 20 minutes, 48 games is way too much.
Even the electronics roulette, i.e. Touch Bet Roulette in Hollywood, the most I did was about 30 - 40 games, rarely touching 48 games, but if you graph is based on real data, then do try to prove me wrong.

This post has been edited by kaiserreich: Aug 16 2008, 05:40 PM

hi guys...nice to see the genting thread continues here

we have discussed this croupier a.k.a dealer signature spins in the previous thread, anyway here are some of it extracted from
previous thread



even if you think you somehow have the magically capabilities to control the wheel right under the nose of Genting casino security surveilance,
hmm... I would like to add that all roulette wheels in Genting are 99% random, monitored and analysed automatically, in real-time by wheel-bias analyzing software purchased from tcsjohnhuxley, the software will alert the casino security far in advance when it detects 'phenomenal movements' of the roulette ball and seeing
it not landing in the number pockets randomly as its supposed to (standard and normal expected ball/wheel deviation are exempted),

I am attaching sample of the security software just in case if you never been to the genting gaming security room and curious to see
what software they use to stop the occurance of non standard random movements of the ball on the wheel!

So, if let's say I let the ball land in 35, 28, 12, 29, 7, 32, 25, 32, 0, 5, 17, 1, series wouldn't be random would it? Out of the 12 numbers, only 3 numbers are not in the 'zero-area'. I'm actually curious as to how the software works.

So based on your knowledge, if there's is a 'phenomenal movement, what will the security team do? Because I've never seen anyone get caught or something, let alone get warned by the security to make the spins more random.

Anyway, I did not post this in the last thread and this might be news to you.

The thing about phenomenal movement is, or 'magical' capability is that one dealer only deals the same table for 1h 20 minutes and it averages 15 - 20 games if there's 'phenomenal movements' since it'll attract a lot of attention and games would be slow, how are you going to fault the dealer for having this 'magical' capability, since, well, it's only 15 - 20 spins and that alone is enough for the wheel analyzer to work or something? Since the dealer changes every 1h 20minutes, would the software add up all the spins by the different dealer and conclude that it's 99% random, or is the statement based on analysis for each 1h 20 minute cycle? Every dealer has different style in their 'magical' capability and I think the analyzer might deem this as, well.....random. Because as I said before, 1hour 20 minutes is sufficient for dealers to make money by pakat-ing with the customers.

I see most people are sceptical of this 'magical' capability. Unless you have went in and deal a game yourself, I can't really blame you. Let me explain more about this style thing. Btw, spin means the speed of the ball.

A new dealer - Normally they don't know how to manipulate the results. They keep the wheel revs the same, and spin the ball as hard as they could since there were told to do so in training. So, results 'might' be random

A dealer who has 'magical capability' - There are 2 types, in general from what I saw. 1 goes for fast wheel fast spin, another is slow wheel, slow spin. I'd bet the security could see this for themselves. For each type of wheel, there are different 'techniques'. And the number of 'obstacles' - those shiny metal parts that makes the ball jump once they slow down matters as well. The style for the 'spoon' type and 'square bracket' type differs. The size of the ball matters as well. You couldn't really tell the size of the ball from....the top or as a customer, unless u really compare it, or you have touched it before.

There are 3 types of wheel of wheel for the 'spoon' type wheel differrentiable from the colour. Normally the yellow one makes the ball jump a lot, and is harder to manipulate, hence, random results. And the ones in IR, VIP etc are black and is much fancier but has the same 'scoop' as the yellow wheel.

For square brackets, the there are also 2 types, one has a deeper bracket, another is shallower.

The condition of the wheel, the small groove on the wheel that lets the ball travel matters, some are well, dirty and makes a loud noise, and makes the ball go slower as well, some are smooth, like the one for the electronics and makes the ball goes around 30 - 40 rounds before slowing down and drop when you spin it as hard as you can.

As to the 'obstacles' that I mentioned, there are certain spots on the wheel that when you start spining, at a particular spin speed, the ball would avoid the 'obstacle' and drop directly onto the wheel.

I almost forgot about the one with triangle brackets. Try to avoid it if the results are not 'random' enough.

There are so many factors in play that I can't really call it 'magical' anymore. It all depends on touch and it takes 2-3 spins for a dealer to get a 'touch' for the wheel. As I said before, on some wheel, no matter what you do, you can't get the 'touch', and the numbers go random. On times when you get the 'touch' and is lazy to work, the ball drops into places where there's less bet. Since this 'touch' thing is so subjective, from what I saw, there's no 100% success rate in getting it right.

I have no idea what tcsJohnHuxley did in producing the analyzer, but since the 'magical' way in manipulating result is so subjective, and sometimes lasts for 1 wheel, that is 1h 20 minutes, and the next dealer for that particular wheel has different style, how does the analyzer say what is random and what isn't random?

Would you care to explain more as to how the analyzer works?

This post has been edited by kaiserreich: Aug 17 2008, 12:52 PM

ya...i'm totally agreed with u...i was an ex-staff there 2...and i tried only 4 game in 1 hour 20 minutes...the person tad claims 384 games in 8 hours is playing online casino....somemore, roulette can be predicted , a fren of mine he pakat with customers and earn about 10k a month , and a supervisor/pitboss told me that she pakat with customer in vip last time when she was a vip dealer , she got 100k jz in one night bcz the customer won bout 800k++...well , i tried tad and sometime i got about 1k in a month for the pakat commission but now i ady quit..believe it, otherwise, try 2 work in casino and you will know when u got the experience..
you can't break the system but the only way 2 secure your winning streaks is 2 pakat with the dealer..

This post has been edited by zhiming: Aug 17 2008, 12:36 PM

but how to pakat with dealer ?

pls pm me the contact if have any

the management didn't suspect anything?
100k is a lot man, if Casino management found it, that person may end up in jail

genting casino managements and surveillance team must be
damn not doing their work for allowing you and your friends to control the outcome of the roulette

Anyone get caught before for doing pakat ?

no lah, where got caught one, all croupiers have a sleuth hands and can never be caught,
genting casino security teams are just a bunch of morons sitting there
and watching how croupiers rigging the wheel under their nose ..

This post has been edited by Joehans: Aug 17 2008, 08:24 PM

vip man....plus if the management noe that suddenly a vast amount of money flow into ur account , they can't do anything cz they doesn hv proof 2 take u 2 jail cz as u guys said tad de science claimed tad no one can predicte de outcome...plus, she ask her customer 2 bank in 3 different bank account , 30k++ in each account....de onli thing they can do is 2 fire u, cant charge u.....n 100k of commission in vip or elite or maxims room is a small matter...

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Added on August 17, 2008, 10:57 pmare u one of de casino management? try 2 get ur dealer in de casiono...find the expert 1....n bring more money and act like a big ka...they dowan a small fish..

This post has been edited by zhiming: Aug 17 2008, 10:59 PM

wow...a major scam in genting casino and nothing the casino management can do,
wow...wow...and more now with money laundering to different accounts....

..you're the man......this will definately make a nice story and potentially a movie script

if u really dont blif , go 2 genting , interview for de croupier....den 1 month of training and get into de casino and work for 1 or 2 years , then onli u ll noe wat i'm talking bout......seriously......

The term you are looking for is embezzlement.

"The largest uncaught and prolonged crimed in Malaysia" perhaps.