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post Jan 11 2012, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 10:36 AM)
let say i invested 100k, after 14years, maybe get about 170k.
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May be?
it may be after 14 years you left with 70k,
it may be 270k
it may be 1 million
it may be 50k left

Nobody knows, and no clue or whatever it may happen or not.

Past performance doesn't indicate nor guarantee how future will be.

Fund manager doesn't guarantee nor say may be how much they will make, they never said in the prospectus.

The only thing is assure is they will charge 1.5% management fee every year, and entry service charge of 5% on equities (generally most charge, some can be different, at this rate until being revised or whatever reason)

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 11 2012, 10:42 AM)
May be?
it may be after 14 years you left with 70k,
it may be 270k
it may be 1 million
it may be 50k left

Nobody knows, and no clue or whatever it may happen or not.

Past performance doesn't indicate nor guarantee how future will be.

Fund manager doesn't guarantee nor say may be how much they will make, they never said in the prospectus.

The only thing is assure is they will charge 1.5% management fee every year, and entry service charge of 5% on equities (generally most charge, some can be different, at this rate until being revised or whatever reason)
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My so-call friend told me, if u put Rm500 every month, guarantee you will still earn money if the fund goes down, because in UT, if u deposit money every month, the units will go up and up, the management will help you buy more if the fund is good to buy, so if the price go down after 10years, you still will earn since you have many units already. This is what he told me.
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post Jan 11 2012, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 10:48 AM)
My so-call friend told me, if u put Rm500 every month, guarantee you will still earn money if the fund goes down, because in UT, if u deposit money every month, the units will go up and up, the management will help you buy more if the fund is good to buy, so if the price go down after 10years, you still will earn since you have many units already. This is what he told me.
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Biggest joke of the year... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Either that or, your friend tried to con you on the workings of UT and returns.. brows.gif

Having many units is not equal to earning... biggrin.gif The only guarantee is that you 'friend' will get portion of the 5% of your RM 500 every month... brows.gif

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post Jan 11 2012, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 10:48 AM)
My so-call friend told me, if u put Rm500 every month, guarantee you will still earn money if the fund goes down, because in UT, if u deposit money every month, the units will go up and up, the management will help you buy more if the fund is good to buy, so if the price go down after 10years, you still will earn since you have many units already. This is what he told me.
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JeffryYap - if i may suggest, pls do some reading/learning of the underlying assets of mutual funds / unit trusts. Else, U are as good as gambling or investing via hope.

Another thing, try to understand how these "advisers" / consultants make their living and U'll be able to smell most BS a mile away

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Jan 11 2012, 10:55 AM
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post Jan 11 2012, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 9 2012, 02:54 PM)
My personal view,
Balanced fund is rip off in term of service charge.

Balanced fund normal consist of 50:50, or 60:40 between bond and equities.
While balanced fund has service charge of 5% as same as equities fund. While bond fund service charge is range from 1%-1.5%.

If you invested 10k in balanced fund, Rm500 gone.
If you split it yourself  and invested 5K in equities and 5K bond fund respectively, RM 250 + RM50 = RM300 gone.
While you can have the same effect of the balanced fund portfolio, of 50:50 bond:equities.

Generally, balanced fund is not going to perform better than equities generally due to bond portion that drag the performance, if market doing good time, why pay more or same with equities fund for a balanced fund.
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That extra cost is a trade-off for *supposedly* lower beta, lower volatility.

The whole point isn't better returns, just more peace of mind.

Well that's the theory la laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 11 2012, 10:51 AM)
Biggest joke of the year...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Having many units is not equal to earning...  biggrin.gif
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So what do u think about PCSF after 8years?


Added on January 11, 2012, 11:02 am
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 11 2012, 10:53 AM)
JeffryYap - if i may suggest, pls do some reading/learning of the underlying assets of mutual funds / unit trusts. Else, U are as good as gambling or investing via hope.

Another thing, try to understand how these "advisers" / consultants make their living and U'll be able to smell most BS a mile away
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Where can i read underlying assets of mutual funds / unit trusts?

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post Jan 11 2012, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 10:36 AM)
let say i invested 100k, after 14years, maybe get about 170k. i'm so sorry for my noobness
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why dont u sit with the agent, do some comparison with PCSF and some other local/foreign funds. ask him/her Q's until u happy with him/her amswers. the more Q u sask the more knowlege u will get abt UT.

is 70% is expectation? or sure can get one? and how the agent can be sure?

Im not saying ur agent correct or wrong. u just need make sure u MUST undestand wat u r buying.

dont folow wahtever ur frens say, its ur money and u must know wat u r buying.

my suggetion only.
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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 11:00 AM)
So what do u think about PCSF after 8years?
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I don't have crystal ball.. can't tell you the future yet. tongue.gif

But what I can tell you is the PAST 5 performance of PCSF.....*drumroll* it has LOST -38% of the money invested. laugh.gif Take a look at the picture below...

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jan 11 2012, 11:03 AM)
why dont u sit with the agent, do some comparison with PCSF and some other local/foreign funds. ask him/her Q's until u happy with him/her amswers. the more Q u sask the more knowlege u will get abt UT.

is 70% is expectation? or sure can get one? and how the agent can be sure?

Im not saying ur agent correct or wrong. u just need make sure u MUST undestand wat u r buying.

dont folow wahtever ur frens say, its ur money and u must know wat u r buying.

my suggetion only.
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I cannot ask much as my knowledge for investment is limited, he showed me a past figure, so ya(although past figure doesnt mean the future will good), perhaps i will learn some basic first.
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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 11:00 AM)


Added on January 11, 2012, 11:02 am
Where can i read underlying assets of mutual funds / unit trusts?
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Dude, google & wiki are your best friends
spoonfed 1st result from google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_fund

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post Jan 11 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 10:48 AM)
My so-call friend told me, if u put Rm500 every month, guarantee you will still earn money if the fund goes down, because in UT, if u deposit money every month, the units will go up and up, the management will help you buy more if the fund is good to buy, so if the price go down after 10years, you still will earn since you have many units already. This is what he told me.
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Another bullshi*t.
How can you make money, when the fund price is RM1 now, and become Rm0.50 10 years later.

More unit at low price can earn? laugh.gif
Every unit you bought come from your hard earned money, not the unit give birth more unit.

The only guarantee part from what you did aka RM500 every month, is your friend get a portion of 5% x Rm500. whistling.gif

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guys, can advise me on this? thx notworthy.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2185518
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post Jan 11 2012, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 11:06 AM)
I cannot ask much as my knowledge for investment is limited, he showed me a past figure, so ya(although past figure doesnt mean the future will good), perhaps i will learn some basic first.
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tis is the great mistakes done by investors, never ask Q's and shy.... why like tis?

if ur knowledge limited, expand it by asking Q's. its for ur own benefit.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 11 2012, 11:16 AM)
Another bullshi*t.
How can you make money, when the fund price is RM1 now, and become Rm0.50 10 years later.

More unit at low price can earn?  laugh.gif
Every unit you bought come from your hard earned money, not the unit give birth more unit.

The only guarantee part from what you did aka RM500 every month, is your friend get a portion of 5% x Rm500.   whistling.gif
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Hmm you are right, so the price must higher than rm1 after 10 years. There is no 'expire" date right, if 10 years it become 0.50, then i wait another 4 years maybe will raise until 1.10? if i have the time, err i can wait right?

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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 11:22 AM)
Hmm you are right, so the price must higher than rm1 after 10 years. There is no 'expire" date right, if 10 years it become 0.50, then i wait another 4 years maybe will raise until 1.10? if i have the time, i can wait right?


Added on January 11, 2012, 11:24 am
You stay near PJ? can you be my UT adviser? I sign your product lol.
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ya, but 1 correction, lesser unit price is not mean the fund not doing well also. if u buy unit for rm1.00 and the price is less than rm1 after 10yrs, its not mean u r lossing too. u may gain already.

the unit price may adjusted after the dstributions or unit split. but if the price less due to the funds REALLY not perform, u will lost.


ya, t........ PJ no issue for me to mit u,

maybe next weekend or after Chinese new year, we can mit up. PM ME PERSONALYY.

TKHS.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jan 11 2012, 11:42 AM)
ya, but 1 correction, lesser unit price is not mean the fund not doing well also.  if u buy unit for rm1.00 and the price is less than rm1 after 10yrs, its not mean u r lossing too. u may gain already.

the unit price may adjusted after the dstributions or unit split. but if the price less due to the funds REALLY not perform, u will lost.
ya, t........ PJ no issue for me to mit u,

maybe next weekend or after Chinese new year, we can mit up. PM ME PERSONALYY.

TKHS.
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Ok thank, i try meet my friend one more time tonight, and see how, if i still feel doubt, i will meet you, thank kparam. notworthy.gif
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anyone knows if it is possible to have 2 unit trust of the same one (say OSK-UOB Kid Save) but buy from different distributor (say 1 from UOB Bank and another from FSM)?

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 11 2012, 01:08 PM)
anyone knows if it is possible to have 2 unit trust of the same one (say OSK-UOB Kid Save) but buy from different distributor (say 1 from UOB Bank and another from FSM)?
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Yes, there is no limit on it.
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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ Jan 11 2012, 11:22 AM)
Hmm you are right, so the price must higher than rm1 after 10 years. There is no 'expire" date right, if 10 years it become 0.50, then i wait another 4 years maybe will raise until 1.10? if i have the time, err i can wait right?
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There is no guarantee or certain, the longer you wait, the price will become higher.
You can wait another 10 years, the price can still Rm0.50 or less than RM1.00.
On other hand, it can become Rm2.00 as well.

Longer time /= price must go up.

Even after you 14 years, the price become Rm1.10 from RM1.00, you are actually making a "loss", due to loss of opportunity aka if you put Rm1.00 in FD at 3%, or even 2%, you RM1.00 already become more than RM1.30.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 11 2012, 01:27 PM)
There is no guarantee or certain, the longer you wait, the price will become higher.
You can wait another 10 years, the price can still Rm0.50 or less than RM1.00.
On other hand, it can become Rm2.00 as well.

Longer time /= price must go up.

Even after you 14 years, the price become Rm1.10 from RM1.00, you are actually making a "loss", due to loss of opportunity aka if you put Rm1.00 in FD at 3%, or even 2%, you RM1.00 already become more than RM1.30.
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Thank! Hmm, invest Rm2k per month won't too much? 40% of my salary. I just 22 year old, and 100% to aggressive(PCSF). Every month 2k till 5 years and wait for capital grow for maybe 5years. 5+5= 10 years

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