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JeffreyYap
post Jan 3 2012, 06:49 PM

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Hi, my friend just suggested me to join UT, i want to ask like, example if i invest RM500 every month, safer investment, let say 2%, so every month i will get 2% of RM500(compare to fix deposit pay annually 3%)? I'm very noob in investment, first time.
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 3 2012, 07:22 PM)
No your RM 500 will be accumulated and your gains will be measured annually. However your gains are compounded daily. If safer investment it is not likely to get 2% per month or 24% per year, but depending on the type of UT some are higher risk while some are lower. Bond funds are most likely to return 6%-8% p.a. but it is more risky than FD. Returns are never guaranteed so be practical and don't be greedy over high returns.


Added on January 3, 2012, 7:25 pm

To choose fund please read the following.

1. Morningstar rating/ranking
2. Lipper rating/ranking
3. Annual financial reports
4. Fund Monthly Fact Sheet
4. Prospectus

For item 1&2 read from Personal Money or Edge, Item 3-5 download from their website.

If you have read all the above and do not understand, either you learn more about it or get someone to guide you like a trust able consultant. Good UT consultants are rare, they really care for your investment, explain everything in detail to you and not just ask you to buy! buy! buy!.  laugh.gif
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The risk is, maybe i cannot even get back my RM500? Very low risk is about 6-8% p.a right, for me, more than enough already lol. So i think i will join UT, if i put RM500 per month, is that too much for newbie? But i will choose the safest.
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post Jan 4 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jan 3 2012, 11:31 PM)
for time being.. BOND fundS still safer............  equity for DDI... medium to long term. not advisible for lump  sump in equity funds as KLCI still 1500+.

my suggestion only.
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wah, your blogs very detail. You are a pro.
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post Jan 7 2012, 12:24 AM

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Ok, just met my friend, he explained. But he said better put 50 50% portfolio which is 50% to saving plan, 50% to high risk? Can i request to put all to high risk? I thought UT doesn't have saving plan? Hmm

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post Jan 11 2012, 12:05 AM

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Hi, i just told my agent to invest RM500 every month in Public China Selective Fund(PCSF), which is high risk, they say it will earn at least 70% for sure within 14years?

Issit like if i choose high risk, it must be long term? If i aim for short term, then choose moderate right?

My friend is going to submit the form tomorrow to public bank, any high risk fund is better than PCSF within 10years+? Im looking for long term+ high risk. Thank

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post Jan 11 2012, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 11 2012, 12:09 AM)
PCSF 70% in 14 years? simple maths 5% per annum. What a good friend  you have there LOL  rclxms.gif
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Then pls verify
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post Jan 11 2012, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 11 2012, 09:36 AM)
go verify with your friend since he the one who told you. btw 5 x 14 = 70. LOL
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i mean the 70% is let say i invested 100k, i can get roughly 170k in 14years. And my friend is not so close, so i don't know he is telling lie or not, thats why i ask u to verify. tq

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jan 11 2012, 10:00 AM)
did u read the fund prospectus and fund review and the fund financial report?
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No, i not even know these lol, i was told by my friend to join UT, they said they r investing in PCSF too, so i follow blush.gif
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post Jan 11 2012, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 11 2012, 10:05 AM)
Neither you or your friend have crystal ball, so you cannot predict what will happen in 14 years.  rolleyes.gif If lets say hypothetically, China went back to Communist ways and kick out all the capitalist, then what happen? 14 years is a long time.

BTW, most Malaysian funds (PM included) have very bad performance in China related investments, almost all of them cannot beat the benchmark.  wink.gif
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Please suggest one that is good to invest? If i'm not mistaken, India fund? Thank so much
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post Jan 11 2012, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 11 2012, 10:12 AM)
Basically most of International Funds managed by Malaysian Fund houses all under performing badly vs. benchmark. This is what you get when you don't allow foreign fund houses to set up in Malaysia.  brows.gif

I am invested in DWS China Equity Fund and First State Regional China Fund.  rclxms.gif

For India.. First State Regional India is a good performer...
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Er... under UT management?
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post Jan 11 2012, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 11 2012, 10:18 AM)
Yes..these are UT.. google them.. if you want to know more.  tongue.gif
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Thank bro. Anyone know what funds are under "promotion" now?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 11 2012, 10:33 AM)
This is bullsh*t already, no offense.

Nobody has the crystal ball to know whether the fund can make profit or loss even after 14 years, let alone to say 70% or what %.
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let say i invested 100k, after 14years, maybe get about 170k. i'm so sorry for my noobness

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 11 2012, 10:42 AM)
May be?
it may be after 14 years you left with 70k,
it may be 270k
it may be 1 million
it may be 50k left

Nobody knows, and no clue or whatever it may happen or not.

Past performance doesn't indicate nor guarantee how future will be.

Fund manager doesn't guarantee nor say may be how much they will make, they never said in the prospectus.

The only thing is assure is they will charge 1.5% management fee every year, and entry service charge of 5% on equities (generally most charge, some can be different, at this rate until being revised or whatever reason)
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My so-call friend told me, if u put Rm500 every month, guarantee you will still earn money if the fund goes down, because in UT, if u deposit money every month, the units will go up and up, the management will help you buy more if the fund is good to buy, so if the price go down after 10years, you still will earn since you have many units already. This is what he told me.
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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 11 2012, 10:51 AM)
Biggest joke of the year...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Having many units is not equal to earning...  biggrin.gif
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So what do u think about PCSF after 8years?


Added on January 11, 2012, 11:02 am
QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 11 2012, 10:53 AM)
JeffryYap - if i may suggest, pls do some reading/learning of the underlying assets of mutual funds / unit trusts. Else, U are as good as gambling or investing via hope.

Another thing, try to understand how these "advisers" / consultants make their living and U'll be able to smell most BS a mile away
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Where can i read underlying assets of mutual funds / unit trusts?

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jan 11 2012, 11:03 AM)
why dont u sit with the agent, do some comparison with PCSF and some other local/foreign funds. ask him/her Q's until u happy with him/her amswers. the more Q u sask the more knowlege u will get abt UT.

is 70% is expectation? or sure can get one? and how the agent can be sure?

Im not saying ur agent correct or wrong. u just need make sure u MUST undestand wat u r buying.

dont folow wahtever ur frens say, its ur money and u must know wat u r buying.

my suggetion only.
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I cannot ask much as my knowledge for investment is limited, he showed me a past figure, so ya(although past figure doesnt mean the future will good), perhaps i will learn some basic first.
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post Jan 11 2012, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 11 2012, 11:16 AM)
Another bullshi*t.
How can you make money, when the fund price is RM1 now, and become Rm0.50 10 years later.

More unit at low price can earn?  laugh.gif
Every unit you bought come from your hard earned money, not the unit give birth more unit.

The only guarantee part from what you did aka RM500 every month, is your friend get a portion of 5% x Rm500.   whistling.gif
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Hmm you are right, so the price must higher than rm1 after 10 years. There is no 'expire" date right, if 10 years it become 0.50, then i wait another 4 years maybe will raise until 1.10? if i have the time, err i can wait right?

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jan 11 2012, 11:42 AM)
ya, but 1 correction, lesser unit price is not mean the fund not doing well also.  if u buy unit for rm1.00 and the price is less than rm1 after 10yrs, its not mean u r lossing too. u may gain already.

the unit price may adjusted after the dstributions or unit split. but if the price less due to the funds REALLY not perform, u will lost.
ya, t........ PJ no issue for me to mit u,

maybe next weekend or after Chinese new year, we can mit up. PM ME PERSONALYY.

TKHS.
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Ok thank, i try meet my friend one more time tonight, and see how, if i still feel doubt, i will meet you, thank kparam. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 11 2012, 01:27 PM)
There is no guarantee or certain, the longer you wait, the price will become higher.
You can wait another 10 years, the price can still Rm0.50 or less than RM1.00.
On other hand, it can become Rm2.00 as well.

Longer time /= price must go up.

Even after you 14 years, the price become Rm1.10 from RM1.00, you are actually making a "loss", due to loss of opportunity aka if you put Rm1.00 in FD at 3%, or even 2%, you RM1.00 already become more than RM1.30.
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Thank! Hmm, invest Rm2k per month won't too much? 40% of my salary. I just 22 year old, and 100% to aggressive(PCSF). Every month 2k till 5 years and wait for capital grow for maybe 5years. 5+5= 10 years

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post Jan 12 2012, 12:11 AM

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I must do more researches. Luckily i find this thread in lowyat.

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jan 11 2012, 10:20 PM)
22 yrs old, can save rm2k for investment. good move jeffrey.

since u r very new to UT. and if u cannot wait.
why not u just start with rm1k and DDI rm100 only  just for PCSF. at the same time educate urself abt UT too. subscribe to the edge personal money willl useful for u.

the rest of the money, just park in FD first until u really understand wht is UT abt.

putting 40% from ur salary in 1 fund is not a right move/ wise idea for u. eventhough ur risk factor is very high aggressive.

do hv any insurance? if not buy insurance first. medical card  enough with full coverage. investment link policy is not fit for u because u r very aggressive for high return.

just my 2 cents.
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Issit DDi is like professional will help you to manage, but you must pay service charge to them?

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