most importantly ask ur self what game do u want to play 1st then decide on the console. about the bluray player , dont sweat about it. just think about the games 1st. about the dell i think its good enough. i think ur leaning more towards xbox360 from ur post. so i suggest go get the xb360. its a great machine to hv even with the ROD problem honestly.

thanks for the help esca_flo, much appreciated

both are nice console

buy both and live happily

but IMO ps3 has more untapped potential

im sure in the future its gonna be one awesome console

I own Xbox360. Been let down because kena 3ROD 3 times less than 2 months
3ROD could be solve by approximate RM100+ each time (God knows how frequent this could happen)
-Better game library for shot'em up games you prefer.


PS3 is a good buy with current price tag.
Lens problem could be solve by approximate RM300 each times (usage of few month to a year).

Ur statement here very misleading, ps3 lens problem is very rare, and u r saying each lens has a lifeline for few mths to a year. Currently i have 10++ friends owing ps3 and none of them having this lens issue. And i dun think even u change the lens, it will go broken in few mths to a year time.

as i overseas and back, region lock is important for me, so ps3 gets my vote

dude, from batch to batch, nowadays BD lens failure rate is higher than Falcon XB360 hit by 3RRoD.

BD lens failure rate mostly exist on 80gb console. The newest 40gb are perfectly fine.

BD Lens durability depends very much on individual usage apart from luck. I know few person BD lens knock out after 3-4 months. Well, speculate due to heavy M'sia made DVD movies usage apart from gaming .

PS3 do not have high percentage of hardware failure apart from numbers of BD lens failure issue.

Xbox360 do not have high percentage of lens failure apart from 3ROD (chipset failure).

whenever i read this kind of thread i bring along my popcorn,
wan to see budak kipas have to say bout their beloved console
Pls ignore me ...and thread like this make me laugh

I do agree, i just sit back and relax while i scroll down and laugh away

I'm pointing the fact.....

the BD lens failure due to manufacture or you can say as supplier problem, Usually the failure are not caused by user abuse.

Think about it, Will sony ever launch a weak product "intentionally"? I don't think so.

IMO when ppl talking about "heavy-usage" that caused failure is a uber bull-dung fact. This kinda problem should not happened in modern product.

this 'uber product' you said, does it include the ability to bend motherboards?
anybody here bought a new PS3 because the lens failed?

Lens is a wear and tear part, something like a tire. The more usage, the faster it wears out. I have a PS1, dies lense after 4 years of fun, replaced my ps2 leans a year ago. But, the mobo never bends, or nothing melted on it.

Granted, Sony has issues with lens, that is a fact. And how is the ratio of PS3s failing because of this?

But a bending mother board does not reflect a 'modern product status.

At least get your facts straight buddy. It makes the argument more interesting.

This post has been edited by snipersnake: Jun 4 2008, 04:28 PM

The PS3 got Darth Vader on Soul Calibur 4, so the PS3 wins.

This post has been edited by GabanKing: Jun 4 2008, 05:59 PM

Ps3 wins hands down!

If an design would permit a motherboard "that cannot be bent" to bent on normal usage, that product itself is a failed design. be it mordern or not. You get that?

Remember that a failed lens and 360's 3RRoD's problem is not as simple as "bending a board":x

Here? users over here represent how many percent of total users? users over here might be lucky enough to have small percentage, or unlucky enough to get a large percentage of failed lens. You may in turn seek advice from repairer or retailer for the lens problem. They sure will give you definate answer.

Finally, I do not wanna offend you but is my fact skewed or some fanatic mindset make you felt so?

I'm still a PS3 fans, I brought 360 just to play game, not to become M$ or Sony PR officer. I'm pretty sure I get my fact right from the retailer and user opinion as a source.

well I tried googling around and I can't find a lot of news article that reports a high blu ray drive error rate, as opposed to 360 failure rates. At worst case, we just need to replace the BD drive, as opposed to the motherboard itself for a 360? True or false?

This post has been edited by slickz: Jun 5 2008, 10:13 AM

and what do you think happened to 3 ROD machines? why remove the xclamps. Reseach your facts first.


You really need to know what actually happens to 3RODs machines.


Why are you asking me the numbers? It was you who presented the so called facts. Luck had a small take on the issue, but still technology design prevails. I dont need to seek advise from kampung retailers or repairer, I have a friend that can do both , xclamps and PS3 lens replacements. And we can read the facts from the net, even here in 360' section you can see the thread, top thread too, in V2.



you have not presented any FACTs. Do you know what is the meaning of the word FACT? you need to show EVIDENCE first. Oklah, simple. Since you are so fixated with other people's view, You go and ask Djinn or Bernard, which console they repair most?

i am not a PS3 fan, I am a Metal Gear Solid fan. You need to browse through the forum AT LEAST to give us the facts' on those 'unlucky' users. If you get your facts from Sg Wang Ah peks or some random Joe in the forum , sorry, those are not reliable resources. Those are dumb promotional shite, in other word, they were giving you the marketing drive. Cherio.

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Added on June 5, 2008, 10:56 amFor BD, you only need to replace the lens.
From my reading, if a 360 laser fails, you need to replace the whole drive.

This post has been edited by snipersnake: Jun 5 2008, 10:58 AM

cmon. just admit you dislike xbox360. it's not so hard. it's not hard to find out from your quote that everything you attacked is just to xbox and not PS3 and from that it's also not hard for you to be crown a "PS3 fanatic" title. read what you've written on lour last post, last line. Please give also the cost, the waiting time for a similar repair on both consoles since you're full of facts in your mind. or you can also say u just wanna wash me out.

yeah i do not know cause of the 3RRoD. Please educate me. I'm all bluffing on previous post.

And yes, I do not research my facts on THIS FORUM ONLY. So why bother ask only Djinn & Bernard (P.S. Sorry big bosses, I'm not insulting or defaming both of you)

I'm not asking you the number, I wanna point out how'd you sure that all the statistic given from here represents the whole.

Thanks for pointing me out, I don't even know that FACT COMES WITH PROOF. There's proof out there. You didn't pay me to dig it out for you. that's another FACT that no need evidence and since hate someone use the word FACT without showing EVIDENCE, I'll now have to ask you what's the alternative word to use just to please your clogging mind?? Howabout "Bluffing"?

From both sides of failure rate from start, it is xbox360 that having high failure rate. No one deny that, it's just you that refused to accept the fact that PS3 is also far from perfect.

Since you can go so harsh just to defend your god machine on a peaceful forum, there's no point for me to debate with you anymore, oh no, should say quarrel.

Remember, Public Forum is for you to use at your privilage, not for your convenience. Respect the others. You can always point out the mistake but not in such impolite manner. read before you post.

Don't think so???? Let your mom read what you've written

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 5 2008, 08:49 PM

what took you so long? I was waiting for you.

Good. I see you are a man (I presume too) that like to assume. I am a fan of games. Please, do read properly. and we are not talking about cost. Nothing is free in this world. Nobody is washing anybody. I am here to straight out the facts.


Why should I educate you? First of all, you are talking about cause. I was talking about effects. Different things. Try to differentiate.


Because you like to hear other people's opinion. Thats why. Since those two retailers are famous here, I kinda figured their comment would satisfy you.


what statistics?


Thats means you got nothing. Just some wild assumptions. Poeple challenge you to provide proof, so as a man with integrity, you should provide some. I guess your integrity can be bought.


sorry, the word I have for you now is "POYO"


I guess you are really in dire need of reading lesson:

I posted above, you even quote it.


1. Harsh? Where did I hurt your little feeling?
2. Quarrel? You dont even know how to differentiate a quarrel and a debate.


Sorry bub, respect is earned, not given.

This is why I dont debate kids. They always run crying to their mommy.