something in wonder, I still sees the ppl around here complaining abt 3RROD but isn't that Falcon system virtually eliminated the problem?

I've run my XB360 for 3 full months now and so far yet to get any problem.....

In fact some shops warned me abt potential problem on PS3 BD raeder problem and recommend me XB as initially i do wanna buy PS3.

I've brought one XB due to response given to console repairer. so why bragging about 3RROD if the problem is history?

I tot M$ admitted their design & manufacturing flaw on previous system and promised a 3 yrs warranty. I think only bashers don't accept that as answer.

And AFAIK every consoles have their so called revision cycle. The falcon is a part of it for 360. So, I dont even think intro of Falcon is a way ONLY to solve 3RROD problem....? I know that falcon is also cheaper to manufacture. that's all I know

yeah, XB360 got a lot of japanese exclusive title.

dude, from batch to batch, nowadays BD lens failure rate is higher than Falcon XB360 hit by 3RRoD.

I'm pointing the fact.....

the BD lens failure due to manufacture or you can say as supplier problem, Usually the failure are not caused by user abuse.

Think about it, Will sony ever launch a weak product "intentionally"? I don't think so.

IMO when ppl talking about "heavy-usage" that caused failure is a uber bull-dung fact. This kinda problem should not happened in modern product.

If an design would permit a motherboard "that cannot be bent" to bent on normal usage, that product itself is a failed design. be it mordern or not. You get that?

Remember that a failed lens and 360's 3RRoD's problem is not as simple as "bending a board":x

Here? users over here represent how many percent of total users? users over here might be lucky enough to have small percentage, or unlucky enough to get a large percentage of failed lens. You may in turn seek advice from repairer or retailer for the lens problem. They sure will give you definate answer.

Finally, I do not wanna offend you but is my fact skewed or some fanatic mindset make you felt so?

I'm still a PS3 fans, I brought 360 just to play game, not to become M$ or Sony PR officer. I'm pretty sure I get my fact right from the retailer and user opinion as a source.

cmon. just admit you dislike xbox360. it's not so hard. it's not hard to find out from your quote that everything you attacked is just to xbox and not PS3 and from that it's also not hard for you to be crown a "PS3 fanatic" title. read what you've written on lour last post, last line. Please give also the cost, the waiting time for a similar repair on both consoles since you're full of facts in your mind. or you can also say u just wanna wash me out.

yeah i do not know cause of the 3RRoD. Please educate me. I'm all bluffing on previous post.

And yes, I do not research my facts on THIS FORUM ONLY. So why bother ask only Djinn & Bernard (P.S. Sorry big bosses, I'm not insulting or defaming both of you)

I'm not asking you the number, I wanna point out how'd you sure that all the statistic given from here represents the whole.

Thanks for pointing me out, I don't even know that FACT COMES WITH PROOF. There's proof out there. You didn't pay me to dig it out for you. that's another FACT that no need evidence and since hate someone use the word FACT without showing EVIDENCE, I'll now have to ask you what's the alternative word to use just to please your clogging mind?? Howabout "Bluffing"?

From both sides of failure rate from start, it is xbox360 that having high failure rate. No one deny that, it's just you that refused to accept the fact that PS3 is also far from perfect.

Since you can go so harsh just to defend your god machine on a peaceful forum, there's no point for me to debate with you anymore, oh no, should say quarrel.

Remember, Public Forum is for you to use at your privilage, not for your convenience. Respect the others. You can always point out the mistake but not in such impolite manner. read before you post.

Don't think so???? Let your mom read what you've written

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 5 2008, 08:49 PM

Wait? I'll let you wait longer. since you're jobless and I'm a busy man.

Yeah, you debate like politician in taiwanese parliament.

At last, you admit there's a lens problem for PS3. this changed my mind a bit.

The fact i wanna point is simple, both consoles are far from perfect. If this is not a fact, what is?

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 6 2008, 07:53 AM

I have nothing on you, but the way you said that i'm giving out pointless fact is indeed insulting me.

The man who thrown the chair win in most cases. So do you? Frankly I do not even want to start a fanboy debate.

I don't even have reading skill, yes, yet another insult. why don't you consider your expression problem? Did you mentioned the overheat problem and elaborate the lens problem properly.

You wait for that? I also wait yours. or you can just contact the authority & let us know. I'm not committed to YOU to get those info.

Well, I'm lucky enough, my 1st console IS the falcon and it's on since the 1st day I brought it to download demos & game vids. It's off only when I went outstation. It never crash except the dashboard stop responding for a while due to stupid maxis internet connection get cut-off.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 6 2008, 11:09 AM

yeah. that's the reason you got banned twice. to prove yourself strong and harsh. You'll be shameful of your act one day. Live in your clan and don step outside, the world does not welcome a ppl that like to push others around.

You have a very good command in english. You know everything I wrote? Please elaborate if you really understand.

What's the result for your SPM, STPM or MUET engrish again?

Why whould I prove anything to a bad tempered like you? it make no sense to me.

Please, Copy the quote you mentioned that I have all the statistics for failed machine and it's come from my quote. The quote must be percise enough to say that I DO HAVE TO SHOW YOU THE STATS. Keep your mouth shut if you can't show it. And go check your Dict for the word Facts or in Malay, "Fakta". They do not come with any proof presented to you. used up your cash to buy PS3 and too poor for a dictionary?? Go check at Wikipedia for fast reference.

That's all for here, i hope i do not encounter a person like you in the future.

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Added on June 6, 2008, 12:51 pmOne more to add, a willingness to follow the tide.

One might be a fanboy of certain product and drown with it.

Sega megadrive, 3DO, Sega Saturn, N64, Dreamcast & so-on....... Theyr'e all RIP in a premature timeframe.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 6 2008, 12:58 PM

You're a nerd, the thing you quote, in on top of this page. that's my so called stats.

You made more assumption than I do. So spare your blind bullet

Your another pointless attack, paying CPF so what? How much you earn per month is more important.

3RRoD? I knew it happened, Just not on me. I've used it by your POV, Abuse. and still standing.

You can't stand the tech wannabe, but you're acting like one now. Please, info on wiki? I've read it more than a hundred times before i really brought the machine.

My gaming age start from the time the G&W from nintendo is launch. Cartridge? How bout famicom and not the Super Famicom? You're sleeping if you blindly assume that my 1st console is the xbox360.

I just buy it for gaming, your rage on the xbox do not concern me.

I told you to read the wiki properly but you didn't, you definately not for here to learn. A fact is debateable. same goes to theory & assumption. Without theory & assumption, you're still using an axe to hunt nowadays.

Losing or not is not a point here. The reason I replied to you is just simple, Your expression is like xbox360 is soo bad that it will not be able to cure the 3RRoD curse forever and PS3 is purrfect and the lens & overheat problem is not even an issue, because it's SONY and M$ is like a company who spit junk. say me anything on this. Your statement to agree the PS3 is far from perfect does not reflect on your insulting words.

You're the one showing the flame, not me. Who's making personal attack here in the 1st place? Why should I do so in the 1st place?

Argue more and you might need to open a new account for this forum.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 6 2008, 05:05 PM

Sorry boss, I admit I'm a little outrageous on this. I'll make sure this would not happened in the future....

1) Just for your info, early batch of PS3 do suffer from overheating problem. You may look at the similar report on google. I'm not sure they're still there thou as they only happened on very 1st batch.

2) Lens problem occur worldwide, not only in a full-of-pirate-DVD country.....I mentioned it before SniperSnake come into scene.

But yet, the total occurance is kept below 10%.....much better than record holding xbox360.

Ah....after me and the snake, now there's others come in to action...

AS I said, in terms of quality, both are far from perfect. IMO the console with best quality & reliability is the Wii.

Please all, PS3 also suffer from overheating problem. Until now the overheating prototype & 1st batch machine still seacrheable in google.

xb360 scratch disc is also famous till there's TV show documentng it.

But both machine's occurance rate is much much lower to the previous generation.

Guys, be rationale. I've learned my lesson with the SniperSnake.

Can mods just close this flaming thread?

Sorry dude, u know me from another forum,

Other's recommendation do not convince me.

What convince me is that the company did improved a defective design & IT WORKS!

So, PS3's lens didn't work well from batch to batchbut occurance rate is low; The Falcon & latest DVD drive's failure rate is quite consistant from global leading gaming site's feedback, but added up from previous generation, the feilure rate is quite high.

However, even with all the research, there's no guarantee that they'll work for you, or me

So, which to choose? For me, the best bang of the buck is the game that make me happy.

Dude, just try to be rationale when posting in a Public forum. I've tried my best to be so.

Buying a gaming system is like choosing a wife, like it or not, even with defect.

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 9 2008, 05:10 PM

Do not immediately drop the charge....

Early generation of Elites are not using Falcon motherboard but instead a generation older Zephyr motherboard.. elites with those boards are merely old xbox bundled with HDMI & 120Gb HDD

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 9 2008, 05:37 PM

You're showing "the one & only" Djinn's warranty unit?

Where's the 3RRoD? I see green ppower only la! & if the failure rate is high on Falcon, where's others?

Aiyo.....nak perbesarkan kes pergilah Protest the oil price!

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 9 2008, 05:43 PM

What i wanan tell you is everyone knows falcon is not completely immune to 3RRoD, but they're less likely to occur nowadays on falcon.

Paham tak?

Afterall, gaming is more important, not the console.

Will you "change" yur wife just because she's not perfect?

Now I should tell you what typical fanboy's act, the said person will defend his beloved system in whatsoever means including denying all shortcoming on the defended systems are naturay occured & keep on stressing on very age old shortcoming on the rival systems.

Just like: denying PS3 1st batch overheating problem and up-to-now lens problem by blaming "it's the user problem". cmon, ppl won't simply use PS3 to play ahem DVD as china DVD player cost less than RM90 and even if they really did, it just shows that the PS3 lens is more fragile than cheap DVD player. think about it -- PS3 & Bluray got no ahem copied.

XBOX360 still have 3RRoD problem. but the occurance rate is lower compared to pre-falcon xbox unit. Ask Djinn as he's reputable for xbox problem.


This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 9 2008, 06:58 PM

if thats so...what should I say.... Thanks for sharing?
Am I right if what your mention is "once it's bad, it's bad forever"?

i don hv wife....yet.....

my point is, don't critisize others, it'll make ppl angry. You can say I'm a fanboy for xb360..... but I'm still going for PS3 for MSG4.

You don like the rival? fine, just tell your friend. not here.

Pois kata jangan aper?

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Added on June 9, 2008, 10:06 pmthat's their problem. as long as they do not "pollute" potential new gamers.

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Added on June 9, 2008, 10:08 pmrendam air tak rosak tapi guli hilang lerrr! semua hanyut

This post has been edited by navigator: Jun 9 2008, 10:08 PM

.......ghost vote or not...the sales of games tells it all... (since someone suggest that xbox system sales is high due to high failure rate...so games sales make better figure)

anyone to have such info? but I sure both system bowed down to Wii.

from forum to forum the popularity to the system is different,