hmm okay okay...so do i change when i enter utar durin the intake or earlier beforehand??...thx btw

This post has been edited by Dai Dee: Apr 30 2008, 04:59 PM

Like i said, changing now will prevent the need for you to explain to your lecturers that you changed course and ur name isnt on the name list.

Also, changing earlier is safer coz you can never be 100% sure that the course you want to change to will still be available.

if u finished stpm ,you should be around 19++ and by the time your result out you should be 20++
u finished your stpm at the age 17++ wow i though that was spm.

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Added on April 30, 2008, 7:38 pmu think uec standard can compare to stpm ? i think you should get the fact instead

This post has been edited by kajikin: Apr 30 2008, 07:49 PM

Then you must be very wrong. I personally had seen very good UEC student. Dont talk about exam standard, its down right to the student itself. You can get 4.0 in STPM, but if you end up lazy in Uni, I dont think you will do well too.

And, plz. Forget Malaysian mentality. 20+ doesnt mean that they will do better in university. In countries lik UK, Aus, as long as you are good enuff, they will accept you even you are 16. STPM is hard, and indeed its a good exam. But you can never compared two different exam system. STPM focus on a lot "not so useful" syllabus, while A Levels and UEC focus on things that are more related to university level.

This post has been edited by Akane: Apr 30 2008, 07:53 PM

can any1 tell me does utar kampar hav hostel??...coz i entering utar kampar in middle of may..if rent a hse at nearest housing area,it's take a long distance to go utar

comparing malaysia with other country , we are not up to that standard yet, stpm syllabus are not related to university syllabus ? isnt it Alevel and UEC taking physics , chemistry and maths also ... just that in stpm you learn more, which the maths and some basic physics/ chemistry will helps your understanding in your future subjects.

the dilemma in class now is the age different and educational background, the diploma students have a better understanding in the course/subject and stpm and a-level are still newbie, some UEC is doing well but not all cause the requirement to enter UTAR engineering is just u pass all the subject

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Added on April 30, 2008, 8:22 pmyes there is, i saw it on the notice board, the hostel is like house type double storey and there is bus service provided

This post has been edited by kajikin: Apr 30 2008, 08:22 PM

Sorry to interrupt, but is there anyway to apply for course transfer before the course commences?
Because from the guide that comes together with the offer letter, it states that course transfer can only be applied within first two weeks after the course commences.
I really scare it will be a mess for course transfer.

lolz lolz lolz.i dun wan to say much anymore.all that i can say is in my class.a few of them are from uec.and their result is quite good.and their maths?lolz.u cant even compare.
lolz lolz lolz. did u guys hear about how the stpm standard drop over the years?ever seen the marking scheme in the recent stpm paper?lolz. did u know that now even if u draw the double strand arrangement of DNA wrongly, u will still get full marks?lolz
lolz lolz lolz. did u guys hear about how NUS of recent years limit the number of stpm students from going in compared to increase in HK students? this is cuz of the drop in stpm standard.

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Added on April 30, 2008, 9:29 pmi did have some frens who finish stpm early. remember there was this exam last time tat enable u to jump from standard 3 to standard 5? plus..there's also other tests that enable u to jump the secondary level.lolz

This post has been edited by devilousangel85: Apr 30 2008, 09:29 PM

Why we are not up to that standard ? Because of mind like yours, we are lagging behind. To catch up, you must be on par with others. Not to say " oh, well we are not up to that standard yet". I do believe in Malaysia there lots of genius. Sun_Rae is one good example. She finish her STPM at the age of 18. Its Malaysia education system that are slowing down the student progress, you dont see student entering University at the age of 2x+ in most developed countries. And mind you, the goverment itself had recognized this problem and they are looking into ways in cutting down the years of primary and secondary education. So that means, entering university early does have its benefit to the country and society.

I did not mention STPM syllabus is not related to university syllabus. Its just that STPM syallabus is too wide. Anyone who studied STPM before knew this. Thats why I put there "not so useful" stuff. Yes, you do learn more. But learning more and applying it is two different things. Learning more doesnt mean that you will be applying it. But, still it will benefit STPM students because generally they will have an easier time during their year one.

As I mention before, age is not a problem. In my course, the top scorer is not STPM student, but some younger students from A-Levels and Foundation.

Of course Diploma student will have much better understanding in things related to the course since they had undertaken 2 years of diploma course that is directly related to the stuff. But how many students are willing to take diploma these days ? And how can you compare diploma student with pre-U students. Diploma holders directly enter into the Year 2 of degree program, while STPM/Alevels/UEC will only enter Year 1. Basically Year 1 is for them to learn all the trades before proceeding into year 2.

In other word, STPM is a "pre-uni" programme, what label it as syllabus ?

I finish SPM at 16+, STPM at 18+ and joined degree before 19. i should know how old i am, dont you think?

And yes, i do think UEC can be compared with STPM, at least from my coursemates. They might not be outstanding, but comparable to STPM and foundation. Personally, in my course, the top3 students are from Foundation, UEC and STPM, one each. So even if the pre-U courses are not equal, the results during degree years depends more on your hard work, not the pre-U course you took.

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Added on April 30, 2008, 11:03 pmsorry bout this, not very sure, during my time they allow you to change the course by filling up the form even before the course commences.
perhaps you can try calling to check? would have checked for you, but its exam season now, dont go to uni.

it is seriously easier if you manage to change courses before it commence, but if their system doesnt allow it.. no choice lo.

This post has been edited by SuN_RaE198: Apr 30 2008, 11:03 PM

lolz lolz lolz..and to say the UEC is not be compared to stpm...y is that uec is recognised in so many countries as well.just now m'sia.
entering the uni is 1 matter...but like we all alwiz stressed out..coming out from the uni is another matter.i have frens who have mediocre result in either their stpm result who are much better in their cgpa in uni.

either is UEC , stpm or A level are taking the same subject just that stpm subject is very wide and the possibility for all the context in book to come out in the exam is super low. diploma students does have the advantage, for my engineering course, they have learn some of the year 2 subjects, and some basic year 3 subjects, i think there is only one 4.00 cpga diploma student till now in my course, i do agree stpm/alevel/ foundation doesnt mean u can do well in university, i had a fren who who score 2.0 in stpm, ends up dean list every semester, cause he is very hardworking

erm if you're in foundation, around sem 3 that time, you can apply for course transfer also, but nid to pay rm100 or 200 i think, non-refunable. they have certain time which you can do course transfer, during foundation years, i think its about 2-3 times, and degree 1st sem can still change course, if im nt mistaken.. but its better 4 u to manage it earlier, coz its wasting money..

I have experience in course transfer. Do it before your course commence. Would be much better. At least you can get into the new course and make new friends. If you join in late, there is chances that you will be isolated out. By the way, I am transfered from Biotech to Biochemistry. And remember, the better your grades, the better your chances in securing a place in another course of your choice.

The processing fee is RM20 and another RM200 if the transfer is approved, according to UTAR official website.
I wish I can apply earlier but I don't know how.


I wonder how to do it before the course commences, do I need to walk in UTAR to apply for it? I wish I can do it via mail or call, because I am in Melaka and UTAR is located at Kampar.

Yes. Most probably you have to walk into UTAR to do that. Try to mail them and enquire about it. Its still early, considering the new course commence around mid May. And you are trying to change into what course ?

Oh... thats a bad news...
I am far far far away from UTAR...
I plan to change to Electronic Engineering, from Computer Engineering...
I am thinking of giving up on course transfer already... with all the mess...

hmm okie okie.....thx 4 d advice

yo .. akane i dun think you get the point ?? how u can compare malaysia with other country ? smart so how? do you think our education is base on your grade or age ?? lol malaysia is using the race percentage to enter university, so dont compare our educational with other country when we change the policy, then only try to compare la

This post has been edited by kajikin: May 1 2008, 11:12 PM