lol i wonder about that as well when people say GS > gundam 00 XD

again, *PROBABLY* preference lmao

Yeah....CB is doing what Raito did basically. Whether wrong or not is up to you to choose la. But what i'm saying is it works! You can't deny that it works. Just thought i'd say that.

And about other comments i just correction some mistakes or points missed while u guys watched 00 cuz seems u guys have some gaps in the story and blame it on story of 00 when they have already explained it.


Well now he is APPARENTLY dead....cuz we only see crack glass...never see his head explode into blood in the casket, according to Gundam rule of death.

So if he is truly dead, we won't know if he had an agenda or not. But like i posted above, Eifman's death was most probably due to Allejandro, not CB.

But actually due to the *!@&!*(@ spoiler , i know just a little bit more about the relation between Allejandro and CB but i'll keep quiet for everyone's enjoyment here....since my enjoyment of theory-creation is gone now.


yeah...some of his actions is really emo and stupid....but at least he sincerely wanna stop war based on his personal experiences as a child soldier. Guess this is Veda's selection criteria.

.. sigh super super long replies..

I am not going to indulge in comparison since people doesnt like it...

This are the several plot that the show could eitier just simplify or just do without it..

Allelujah and Peirilis. Since they isnt any really old time issue with these 2 then Allelujah so i dont see the point in having any development at all.

Saji.. This totally plays no role in the plot at all.. only providing a Civ Pov of the war. He can be simply replace with cannon chara... Also Kinue investigation since she got killed before revealing anything to us.. so should be remove..

Moralia.. This is WTF... What the deal introducing us PMC while they get pwnzord in 2 epsiode.. and forgotten.. They can simply introduce Ali as a mere mercenary.. and thats it

HRL gundam capture.. A well eleborate plan attack gone astray.. If its not gonna change much of the flow of plot.. better off reveal Nadleeh at CB vs Throne and Allejah twins at Joint Military Exercise..

Alright yes Wolfx, If the story central more on just Setsuna alone we can get alot more than what we having now..

if aeolia really did foresees how things would ended up and etc etc....
then the things that he in takes in for the calculation must've included the 4 meister,
maybe aeolia choses these 4 for he can foresee what outcome will it be if he should tell the meister to decide their own path?
hence it could be he acting all good and all but deep down he already knnow that the meister will continue the fight= the war continues....

i personally think there's more than what it seems about CB...

mhhmmmnnn this part hard to tell leh! Tat guy was 170 years ago how did he foresee that Setsuna and fren are the 4 meister?

I am really happy to see tat this thread has became so active! Good job to all contributor, since i dun want to argue anymore on each of our own perspectives.... since all of us are just blind guessing onli make no sense to carry on! Just hope the show wont end up like another GSD! Cheers for all Gundam Fan


Now i will just bring up some thing i notice in the show that may seem to be important to the future storyline:
From the episode where the three faction united become one against the CB, Sumeragi and other companion did mention it was according to VEDA plan! So for wat we know VEDA initial plan was show to CB up to 3 faction unite! But after that CB did not take any other action, one of the fact was no further instruction were give to them........till the part they get atk on episode 21, they just fought back without any other instruction of VEDA.......and till episode 22 VEDA being hacked and old geek got shot in the face, it initial the system to sent out instruction to tell the all gundam pilot to fight for peace.


So in the end no one knew the original plan of old geek, all they know was unite 3 faction......If 3 faction were to united for the original plan wat is the carry on one beside being interrupt by the Thrones and that guy behind?
Hope it would be told in further episode of the story so we can all stop guessing wat the dead old geek was up to!!!

Hmmm...so in short , you just want a 13 episode anime compared to 26 ?

Allelujah...uhh who is this paralysis again?

Saji: Why not civ pov important? Of course its important. Saji represents us, the people. The people who suffer due to war. Not people who fight just cuz they are soldiers. And having him lose his sister and Louisse's arm, it definately hints on later developments that he will further his sister's work just like his sister who followed their dad. If they replaced Saji with a nameless faceless cannon fodder character, viewers won't feel the attachment and just treat this person as.....a cannon fodder.

Moralia: Shows that even with EU banded together with the help of mercenaries, they are no match for Gundams. Every attempt to capture Gundam after that conflict was met with a stronger and stronger resistance finally leading to that joint operation that almost ended with CB's defeat. Also shows that PMC isn't making money in a world lacking of conflict due to CB and that PMCs were proxies of countries that were waging "undeclared wars". CB's work is definately starting to show effect.

HRL GUndam Capture: So you rather Nadleeh didn't strip and they all get captured right away and show ends at that episode? Tiera had to strip to escape.

If you wanna blame filler episodes, you'd best blame Seed and Seed Destiny. Some episodes just had them running from the enemy ship without any development of plot.

just want to see, ali get slaughter by setsuna..
possible to see marina and neena fighting over setsuna?..

Yes Short and Sweet is better than Long and pointless....



Kyrios gundam meister...



He might be a good bonus but at the way iam seeing it.. I think its waste of cel image and sieyuu and better time spend on other things aka Sumeragi role in Union..



Who give a damm of AEU.. Code Geass has EU but nobody give a shit.. maybe season 2 although... AEU only chara is Patrick and that lady officer.. and they rarely did anything to the plot.. so Who gives a shit.. Just leave them for manga and fanfic to play with..



They shouldnt even made HRL capture Gundam if they are doom to failed anyway... at the first place..

Move Kyrious Hallejujah to Joint Operation..



I already been ranting about that to da bitter end already...

This is some plot that could be done to make Gundam 00 better..

-Explain why each of Chara become Gundam Meister.
-What in the past made Graham Aker such a hateable captain
-What is Sumeragi role in Union, Its said some incident turn her to an alchololic binge.
-What is really Tiera
-What happend between Haro and Felt, cost from the look She seems to know Haro before
- More Marina X Setsuna

This is just a handful..

This post has been edited by redeye84: Mar 12 2008, 08:00 PM

First of all, kudos for bothering to discuss along. And I must say it is an eyeopener and it's about time someone gave a good insight of 00 from a different perspective.

Thanks for the explanation of the storyline of CB, maybe I was a bit harsh in saying that the storyline was stagnant... but my opinion still stands that there are still quite a lot of uncertainties which should have been better elaborated. I don't agree with CB policing the world to attain peace, especially by having only a few gundams. Few vs the world... no way. There must be some agenda behind CB, or at least that's what I hope to see. And from my perspective, CB only managed to shift the focus of conflict towards themselves instead of truly attaining peace which is the original idea.

What I wish is a smooth flowing storyline for future 00 episodes, instead of shifting the focus too much or dragging too long on a particular issue. At the moment this flaw still exists.

That is what happened to Gundam X in the middle of the show where random factions just popped up and messed around. The main plot only surfaced after Garrod went up to space and the establishment of Earth Federation, but it was too late to round up the story. What I wouldn't want to see is that they keep on focusing too much on the battles that eventually there just ain't enough time to wrap up the story.

Character development wise, let's just leave it there... Maybe my wish will come true in season 2 when more is revealed.
All I can say is that stories without a main character which is fully developed is not a true story, it's more of a documentary.

As for GS's racial cleansing, I think it does reflect our society in certain ways. Nazi vs Jews is one example that you brought up, the others would include Serbs vs Bosnians, Russians vs Chechnya, Israelis vs Palestines etc. Since we agree on the part where Kira's godlike powers hogged all the focus and hence losing the original concept, our debate regarding CE ends here.

First of all, Tallgeese is not a joke. It's the only unit that can stand vs the Gundams. Something like Graham's Flag when he pwned the Throne, but Graham still got pwned by the Gundams early on. The Antarctic Duel as I've always criticised, is thanks to Heero's plot armour.

W's grunts are free frags, unless the story line requires them to beat the gundams. Same with 00. Same with CE. Same with some UC series.
The only worthy point here is that W's grunts were shown exploding in more ridiculous ways, but all grunts are equally free frags in any series unless circumstances arise.

By "one antagonist" you I assume you mean Zechs. Leave aside the fact that he is a direct Char clone, he is more dynamic and complex than any of the 00 antagonist right now. Hence in my earlier post I did express my wish to see Graham or Patrick to have more development, or even personal agendas of their own.

I disagree that W developed faster and smoother because it only had one opposing faction. Yes, initially it only had OZ, but later on the colonies turned against them, plus Romfeller plus White Fang together with the remnants of Trieze's defunct OZ. What determines smooth storytelling is the writers' capabilities, not solely on the number of factions. Wing does not revolved around the main gundams and OZ... it revolves around politics. And in politics, there are no permanent friends or foes. Side-switching happens all the time.

Kira's soap drama... I actually liked a Kira who can cry. He cried because he had emotions. He cried because he was fighting his friends and his own kind. He cried because he realised that lives were being lost without purpose. He cried because he is human. Stagnant characters are those in GSD, where no one matured/changed/developed.

Fighting random gundams back and forth... isn't that what happened in 00 as well? In GW as well? In GX as well? In UC as well? As long as the battles made the characters grow, I don't mind. Kira grew as he fought, the most important step in his development was him "killing" Andy, and also his battle with Athrun. OK... things went downhill after Lacus corrupted his mind with pink dust and godly powers. I blame the writers here.

About comparison with other Gundam series, sorry... no can do, since it's gundam after all, and there's bound to be comparisons as it carries the legacy of the Gundam name. If 00 was not included in Gundam then maybe I won't compare. But comparisons serve to highlight 00's pros and cons, which is something that we truly need in forums such as these, not "GRAHAM IS GARRRRR" type of posts.

Good discussion for today.
What's the next topic? Anyone wants to start?

Here's hoping for better Gundams ahead.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Mar 12 2008, 08:22 PM

Well i think i'm quite sure they will have an episode that shows everyone's motivation to join CB later.

LOL....TV broadcasters will hate you as a writer.

I'm sure all will be revealed in due time. We have 4 + 26 episodes more to go after all. I rather the development happened across the 2 seasons rather than super development in season 1 with nothing else, and rush towards a non-epic battle by s1 end. Then start throwing shit against the fan in season 2.

Even in Code Geass not everything is revealed yet like Marianne's death, the Emperor, V.V/C.C's objective, etc etc but I don't see you complaining?

err I did remember??...

I see the preview, Lockon using his sniper like a machine gun

gundam 00

once the old man of CB said
"i sense the evil u come n detroy
meaning there's no hope for human being,
still the same like wars
i hav to giv all power to all gn-driver users!!!"

meaning if he cannot stop war wif gundam
then let gundam destry everything!!!!

everything o nothing!!!

err..u translate urself or the subs really that bad?

Stagnant? I don't think so. At least its moving bit by bit.

Let me tell you guys what is stagnant.

/* cut-out from Seed Destiny */

I attack you, you attack me, I run from you, you run from me, I beam spam all you losers to oblivion, END OF STORY.

That, my friend, totally is no plot.

Aeolia Schenberg in some weird way reminds me of Yuri from C&C:Red Alert 2. XD

no piloting skills so they get more powerful gundams... yay

Since people are piss for comparing so Iam judging this Series by its ownself..



.. yeah and more money on selling models

This post has been edited by redeye84: Mar 13 2008, 12:41 AM

its already been said that there wont be romance, but who knows if sunrise would change that from heavy fan demands

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Added on March 13, 2008, 1:18 ampersonally, active is one thing, having meaningful discussion instead of fanbashing etc or oneliners/random junk is another

needless to say the thread's heading towards a positive direction thus far

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Mar 13 2008, 01:18 AM

good info... if got more detail then is better...