*facepalms*

Because some stupid spoiler reader read china animator spoilers and posted it big big....i now know the truth about Trinity, Allejandro etc. ARGHHH!!! DAMN YOU @*(&!*(@&(!@!.

*sigh*

I wasn't too far off the mark either.

I dont mind multiple chara story from various point of view.. but my problem is how its done..

Honestly they are some plot and chara that can be make do without them..

Like whom?

You want less characters and more focused on the emo Setsuna u mean?

i would rather focus on marina more, or want liu mei, or..

lol better Tieria go request his beloved VEDA to change him into a she!

Maybe their chara all got messed up and hardly tell u much about them!

saji reminds me of the guy fuyuki from keroro

graham maybe going to die like guld from macross plus, G-Force crush him to death..

nah that guy is not going to appear again! The GN drive failed to implement into Flag and Graham did not want to be a MS pilot anymore and change to have a desk work in the military end of story!

GN Drive seems to defy gravity, so no prob.

yeah...dunno why CB choose Setsuna as Meister. Besides, he is emotionally unstable...

graham step on a spanner which billy accidentally left at the floor, fell of a flight of stairs and broke his back, forcing him to retire early...

The storyline is still stagnant. What was the initial aim of the CB? Stop all wars with gundam intervention. 25 episodes is reaching its end and there's still no indication that their plan is working. Yes, the 3 factions might have attempted to unite themselves to fight CB, but at the end of the day they are still fighting , i.e. having war. This means that the CB's aim is nowhere near accomplished. Well there are still another 25 episodes to go in season 2 so they have plenty of time to rectify it, yet at the way things are developing, their mission seems lightyears away.

If anything, the 3 factions were evenly strong before this and hence balance each other. There was relatively "peace" amidst the power struggles. CB is supposed to "unite" the 3 factions by forcing them to work together, but at the moment all they did was to create never-ending wars. The appearance of the trinity trio was dumbfounding, are they on Setsuna and co's side? Or are they an enemy? And now two of them are dead which means they'll be pretty much useless (like Heine).

Again, some might not like the comparison of 00 to previous Gundam series be it AU or UC, but I have to use GW as a comparison here since their concepts are pretty similar. By episode 22 of GW we already know a lot about OZ's and Romfeller's political stand as well as the Colonies status amongst the entire chaos. We also saw how the entire world situation changes as OZ went up to space and gained the upper hand by turning the colonies against the gundams. Classic move, Lady Une.

I'll leave UC out of this just in case anyone shouts UC-fanboyism without even thinking.

Like what redeye said, there are a lot of redundancy in the plot and can be left behind. Most importantly, the concept is not well utilised

I won't say too much about character development here since it's not exactly the selling point of 00... I'll compromise for that. The truth is, almost everybody apart from Setsuna has near-zero background info and they are quite one-dimensional. And despite having a prominent background Setsuna's development has been relatively static.

"blindly involved in action" = OMFG EXIA PWNS !!! EXIA IS TEH WIN!!

"Criticising to no end" however is a harsh term. If something deserves criticism, there's absolutely every reason to do so. If you think I'm one who criticises 00 blindly then you are wrong. I love to review gundam series, and if you have followed the old threads you would have seen my reviews for the ones I've watched - Zeta movies, 0080, 0083, 08th MST, CCA, GW, GX, and even the novels. I criticise parts which I think it could be improved on, as well as hail the areas that are well developed. What's wrong with that?

OK, fair enough, there is a storyline but as mentioned above it's not well elaborated. We still don't know the REAL motive of CB (which I don't think it's as simple as stopping wars), and most importantly what's the role of the Trinity dudes (except selling models)?

00 could use more character development like the way you put it, and I would also like to know more about Graham and Patrick. At the moment they are merely soldiers who are obsessed with beating gundams... again, one dimensional, not unlike Jerid.

As for GS, the whole concept of Naturals vs Coordinators is interesting... If you can look away from the blatant similarities to 0079 in the early 1/3 of GS, it's actually quite well done. It only spiralled downhill when Kira became god after obtaining Freedom; and started to think that he is God and capable of stopping all wars without killing.

Again, I must reiterate (so that fanboys doesn't swamp me with replies) I'm not b*tching 00 for the sake of b*tching, I'm merely pointing out areas that fall short of expectations and should be addressed in season 2. Most importantly this serves as a reminder that our beloved gundam animes can easily turn from potential greatness into utter crap like how GSD did. We wouldn't want that to happen to 00, would we?



This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Mar 12 2008, 03:58 PM

I dunno if you been watching bad subs, or no subs, or if u understand the story....or maybe u never watched episode 22 yet which reveals almost everything bout CB.

CB's goal is to eliminate war through conflict. In ep 22, it is revealed that CB's plan has been this all the while. Aeolia and Veda's plan has been the same all this time. No "JUST AS PLANNED" as we theorised in the beginning, quite thankfully. Even the meisters were confused if their destruction was part of the plan. When their GN-drives were unlocked , they realised they were Aeolia's backup plan so their destruction wasn't part of the plan.

From ep 22, we know:

1.) Aeolia earnestly and sincerely wanted world peace and created CB and Gundams for this purpose.
2.) Allejandro and his whole family has manipulated CB for their own needs. They want to rule the unified world and use the CB technology for their own means. I accidentally read some spoilers that will be revealed later more about the Corner family and their involvement in CB.
3.) Trinity, GN-X, Lagna Harvey and Allejandro basically are rogue elements not existing in Veda's plan, thus spoiled Aeolia's plans for peace. In ep 20, you could see that if CB continued interventions without these outside interferences, they would've gained peace by now. But then there will be no more story to tell if this was the case right? So comes in Allejandro and his treachery. Story continues.

Thus i disagree the story is stagnant. The story is moving. You somehow aren't realising it?

Its a cold war. Cold war does not equal peace. If anybody started a small fight, the world will suffer. CB wanted to defuse the delicate bomb before it explodes into full scale global war, by 1st being the common enemy of the 3 nations, and also to deter them from starting any conflicts by marshalling them like a guardian angel. Thus CB acts as a judge, jury and executioner to "scare" ppl to be at peace.

Trinity was made by Allejandro and his faction and isn't part of Veda's plan but team trinity themselves don't know this. They are made more as a distraction and deterrent to the original CB team. You realised that CB couldn't carry out any interventions during Team Trinity's interventions....and also their interventions spoiled Sumeragi and Veda's plans.


Real motive of CB, i mentioned above. It has never changed. At 1s ppl was confused if there was an ulterior motive but there isn't. Trinity, also explained above. As a distraction for CB.

And about 1 dimensional characters...i guess this is one show where its plot driven. Not character driven. The characters are all just small pawns to portray an epic story. I know that lately the trend is to make character driven anime where god-like characters are very developed where the whole plot and story revolves around 1 or few characters, but it seems with 00 its going back to anime's roots and making a more plot-driven story where each character is just one cog in a giant machine.

I guess u can call it 1 dimensional characters but to me it is just a different narrative form.

I personally felt the Naturals vs Coordinator bits COULD have been interesting but got bored with the theme because you don't feel the troubles of the world due to this issue. Coordinators are just minority gifted people who are being bullied by a bigger (jealous) race. Think Nazi vs Jews. If they made it this way like show how the coordinators are being oppressed, how they want peace, and how the naturals are not stupidly "KILL ALL COORDINATORS" i think the story would be way better. But too bad its just a "LOL I HATE YOUR RACE SO I MUST KILL U" and the coordinators "YOU ATTACK US SO I ATTACKU U BACK!" kinda story. They could even show on Orb how Coordinators and Naturals live a very peaceful life and how they get along with each other but this was all downplayed cuz why?Cuz the plot revolves around Kira F*****g Yamato and Shin F*****g Asuka.

wow long comment! I always like wat u describe about those gundam! The story already hint tat the old geek Aeola Isenberg did not want to end war, he show other ambition! Tat professor tat got fried by throne seems to found out something about this organization and GN drive before he died!

And when the episode 22 came out and the old geek said i will now let all gundam pilot out there to decide wat they want to do on their own no more instruction! So he make the situation more worse, 3 faction already unite as one to fight common enemy, basically CB need to do is surrender or just disappear. Then they will be peace no more war!

Now by letting the decision on to CB which contain a EMO and religious boy (Setsuna) which was upset of his god and now want to be a god himself! With his emo Trans-AM power he will tried to force the world to follow his style, we may get to see another Death Note Yagami! This is wat i see from his characteristic!

And Wolfx i really doubt the part where someone stand out to the world and tell everyone we are the guardian of peace, u carry weapon i will kick ur A** so hard u will want to surrender it to me! This is like using a big gun pointing at ppl forcing ppl to follow ur will! aeola is just another old geek tat cannot accept the rule of the society!

This post has been edited by 300078: Mar 12 2008, 04:57 PM

to be honest gundam 00 main plot of "stopping the war" isnt too different from other gundam series. the major difference i would see is other gundams having gundams itself as the "main faction" while in double 00 or like in wing series, they are a "sticked in faction" and looked more like a bystander being busy body sorta deal.

now that we got that clear, lets be honest, ending a war is a pretty damn far fetched goal logically (RL or in anime world), and now that we're talking about anime world, if you put in from the viewer's perspective, war ended = no fighting = no show. lolwut?!
claiming the story is stagnant a little over the line, if anything, i would say its just progressing slowly, instead of being completely stagnant. and as you said it, theres season2 coming in 6-7ish months time.

and in regards to gundam W comparison, the "progression" was somewhat faster in W because theres only ONE main antagonist, and even him doesnt have much of a counter against FOUR gundams until the very end with him obtaining epyonn. i mean, tallgeese is quite a joke, repeated slashes on the cockpit and still nothing, then in the end hospitalized from gforce somemore, lol...

needless to say, things are a whole LOT smoother for the gundam W side compared to 00. 00 not only you get ace(s) from not one but THREE factions, they also have a lot more common sense/fighting abilities be it the aces or the grunts. in W, the grunts are just FREE FRAGS, shown over REPEATED copy pasta scenes.


it could also mean: "OMG PILOTS ALL NO SKILL RELY ON SPECS" or "GARHAM IS GAR" and so forth.
which is a common talk around this thread as far as i can see.

i dont believe critisizing is a bad thing, in fact i do agree with what you posted in regards to . What i was mainly referring to was more of a point of view thing, and/or comparisons with previous gundam series. ESPECIALLY the whole comparison part, as ive pointed a lot of times, its really a better way to just watch the series for what it is, and judge/critisize it for what it is. Comparing with other series oftenly leads to biased arguments/debates, and it will always be subjective to a person's preference. i mean lets take gundam 00 comparing to gundam wing. lets say wing storyline is better, but a gundam 00 fan could always bite back by claiming gundam 00 graphics is much MUCH better and or, due to his preference, claiming 00 chracters/storyline/plot are more in depth (well truth be told, wing pretty much just resolves around the 4 main gundam pilots and the main antagonist or OZ), see the point? its really pointless.



well, if you can even come up with this, i believe the storyline/plot is rich enough to keep people on their guessworks
i mean, before professor eifman's death, he knew whats goin on, and he was promptly silenced. from there we know something is up, either if its from members of CB goin rogue and differing from aeolia's goals, or its what aeolia actually plotting all along, we dont know, and that will be up for future episodes to be told. In regards to trinity, i totally believe almost the same as you do, until ep22. needless to say with the loss of her bros, neena would be joining the original meisters, and of course, the beans will be spilled, and we can all look forward to that.



Gs for me, spiralled downhill (well maybe not spiralled, more of just slowly slipping) way before that. i mean, episodes and episodes of kira in ship with soap drama and fighting the random gundams back and forth is pretty damn boring. and to be honest, i cant see a lot of storyline/development going on either aside from kira's own emo soap opera. again, as ive mentioned, it could ALL be personal preference.

but to be honest, minus the whole kira jesus yamato crap, GS is actually pretty decent and has a LOT of potential seeing as the antagonists have MORE gundams than well, lol kira. that and its in a more futuristic setting, and in a world of gundam, the more futuristic it is, the easier it is to develop the "techs", storyline, plot etc etc.

that could also be why working around gundam00 is hard, considering its based off a lot of similiarities on whats going on IRL (in real life) and a lot of political references and so forth. i mean, RL is boring, gundam 00 is working on RL, and to achieve what gundam 00 is today, im pretty impressed myself. true, theres a LOT of room for improvements, but at the same with so much room for it to fail, i can be satisfied with what we are getting at the moment, and lets not forget, season2.

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Added on March 12, 2008, 5:12 pm

bah due to work load etc etc, wolfx already made a better post compared to mine
we pretty much posted almost the same thing

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Mar 12 2008, 05:12 PM

He found out about Allejandro and the Corner faction ....so he ordered Throne to kill him...under guise of "intervention".

That's cause Allejandro wanted to rule the world himself with CB as the scapegoats. Aeolia hoped that the current meisters that Veda specifically chosen (so that they won't betray Aeolia's ideals) will fight on for eradication of war thus unlocking the Trans-Am system.

You're right, maybe there will be peace if the meisters just "disappear" but that bad guy Allejandro is gonna rule the world!! If there is peace, its only temporary before he becomes more power hungry and wanna start more wars to gain profit!! Maybe selling GN drives to the highest bidder or something. Aeolia doesn't want that thus gives the meisters the power.

That's what U.S is doing now isn't it?
And u say u dun believe it, but fact is it works. A necessary evil.
You think Iraq will be better if US didn't "intervene"? At least now it has no Saddam and democracy is being placed but unfortunately US has its own agenda under guise of peace, (just like Allejandro Corner)

Sometimes i wonder if i'm the only one watching the show PROPERLY.....

GARHAM IS GAR

Nah i think each of us here got our own point lah! Dun jump to the point tat U r wrong I am wrong or maybe someone else is wrong! I accept certain point u said and some Stargazzer said! No wrong as long as we all have comment on the show, we will still continue to watch it!

Regarding the last part u answer me is like do you think Death Note main character did the right thing? He used force to make all ppl to be afraid of him killing them with a heart atk! This question cant really have a good answer! Certain ppl will go yeah the world is better like tat, some would said it is in human to do so taking away ppl life without checking if the person is really innocent or not!

if you read what wolfx said, aeolia didnt really went: LOL I GIVE YOU TRANS-AM NOW, SO DO WHAT YOU WILL, EVNE IF UR GONNA NUKE THE DAMN WORLD. its more like "fight for peace, dont fight it for the sake of CB, fight it with your own free will (seen the patriot? british fighting like pawns vs the americans fighting for freedom, thats the kinda thing aeolia wants the original meisters to do)"

i personally have a different view to this though, i still believe aeolia have something
even when the rogue elements like alejandro and co. are all shown full circle (maybe not, maybe theres more to it? who knows)

thats solely based on professor eifman's pre-death discovery XD

as for setsuna, while i believe he can be a nutter at times, goin emo and/or religious or rather, zealous, imo he still hold true to this one sole goal: achieving world peace by using gundam. and so zealous he wants to be a manifestation of gundam itself
but if you can look past that, he is just pretty much "doing his job"

because He is Gundam