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post Feb 14 2008, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Feb 14 2008, 10:12 AM)
My suggestion is better don't self study for the professional level paper.

Remember ACCA exam is not easy, you must know the exam technique and know wat the examiner require for the exam. Basically, I can said if u just study hard from text book, it is very hard to pass any paper in professional level.

Without lecturer guide, you won't be know wat the examiner want. ACCA is difference from degree course cos beside learn the theory by hard. you also must know how to apply it to the case/senario. All the question in professional paper are very practical.

I got some friend self study ACCA also, but when come to professional level paper, they also go to attend class.

But since you are not in KL, I think is hard to you to attend class also lah! May be u take one paper each sitting lo. But no matter how you better arrange some time to attend class lo. For eg, P1 - Philip Woo class will conduct on Sunday, but not every sunday, so may be you can arrange some time to attend his class.

I understand you as a full time worker, it is hard to manage time to attend. Myself also full time worker, but sometime no choice cos professional level paper not easy to pass.
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will his class be too hectic? i meanlike 10am to about 6.30? will a student be able to absorb everything?
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post Feb 14 2008, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(crazyguuy @ Feb 14 2008, 07:21 PM)
Thanks guys for all the ADVICE !!  notworthy.gif

Yesterday, I have spend a few hours went through Paper P3 (Foulklynch) ....
wow, the syllabus so wide blink.gif , got IT, Human resource, Strategic decision, Ethics etc. Its like 4 paper in ONE !!

I know ACCA is tough ! sad.gif  However, I wish to complete ACCA in the shortest time (I got my own reason)

What I felt that is even the lecturers are just guessing what the examiner wan. They may or may not actually know the KEY TOPIC.
Unless the class is conduct by the examiner  , ONLY the examiner know what will came out !:P

So, anyone can do an anaysis of current P1 , P2, P3 examiners ?
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P1
100% theory,only got pilot paper and one past year question. the requirement of examiner not so clear yet.

P2
>60 % theory

Current Issue is the most difficult part, and also is the most easy parts
Environment and professional ethic issue also very important.

The consolidate is one of the compulsory question

IAS39 is not so easy to understand

P3

New examiner , new style.
IT, quality ,project management is important.


ALL 3 papers have professional marks.


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post Feb 14 2008, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(VpIc @ Feb 14 2008, 02:19 PM)
will his class be too hectic? i meanlike 10am to about 6.30? will a student be able to absorb everything?
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Ya, his class will be very long hours, from 10am to 6pm and not every student can absorb everything.

But no choice cos he is a S'pore lecturer and he only come back to KL one time in 2 week to teach F8 and P1. Sometimes we must understand his situation also lah!

So what he can do was give a break after 2 hrs lo. But he is not too back lah, cos in the class he tell us a lot of funny story also. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Feb 15 2008, 12:09 AM

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My comments on the paper:

P1 is a critical paper that required for all the other papers.
Suggest to get the reading requirements other then the Kaplan and BPP text. The examiner has recently offered an article which should be worth the read. The papers risk management part is quite similar to the old 3.1 paper, which gives you some additional past year papers to focus on. The stakeholder concept in the paper is the same in all the other papers - Mendelow grid is now a staple diet for those at the Professional stage.

P2 well it is much wider now with the addition of ethical issues in reporting as well as other reporting requirements. The paper is called corporate reporting which covers more areas than financial reporting

P3 the paper is about the same as the old paper when it comes to the case study part, therefore past year papers will be helpful
On the other hand the paper is under the old 2.1 examiner, who may have a liking towards the E-Business areas and related 2.1 materials.
So far only P3 has had a significant influx of the old 2.1 materials in the exam, ACCA stated that they will spread it equally, but this is not yet occuring.


Added on February 15, 2008, 12:22 amIn my opinion all the papers in the new syllabus have be re-set to equal level of difficulty - in the past, some papers had a higher pass rate and some had lower pass rate, now ACCA wants to re-set all about 30% average.

They already have the largest student number in the world, its time they started to trim down the inflow by increasing the quality.

The professional levels will become much harder.

P2 compared to P1 and P3, I suppose all are the same in terms of effort.
In terms of spotting P2 and P3 is easier
In terms of those with computational interest, P2 should be easier

As far as I remember, the lecturers will only say the paper is hard so as to increase your effort in that paper.

I suggest that each person should conduct your own SWOT before allocating resources (time) for the papers.

Those that are weak in theory, slow down and take your time cause the whole professional level is full of theory



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post Feb 15 2008, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(crazyguuy @ Feb 14 2008, 07:21 PM)
Thanks guys for all the ADVICE !!  notworthy.gif

Yesterday, I have spend a few hours went through Paper P3 (Foulklynch) ....
wow, the syllabus so wide blink.gif , got IT, Human resource, Strategic decision, Ethics etc. Its like 4 paper in ONE !!

I know ACCA is tough ! sad.gif  However, I wish to complete ACCA in the shortest time (I got my own reason)

What I felt that is even the lecturers are just guessing what the examiner wan. They may or may not actually know the KEY TOPIC.
Unless the class is conduct by the examiner  , ONLY the examiner know what will came out !:P

So, anyone can do an anaysis of current P1 , P2, P3 examiners ?
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Ha Ha Ha, examiner cannot conduct any class for his paper but only can give Seminar. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

Ya, I agree with u, lecturers only are just guessing what the examiner want. So sometimes the examiner will come out one or two not hot topic in the exam.

But based on their experience, they can tell u the technique to earn each marks from the exam. A good experience and responsibity lecturer will teach u step by step to answer exam question. They will tell u how to answer when see difference type of question.

Based on their experience and seminar from examiner, they will know the favourite topic from examiner. And beside make u understand for each topic, they also will tell u what is the important KEY WORD in answer question.

Nowaday also, the lecturer do a lot work for student. A lot of lecturer do their own study notes for student. With the good study notes, u no need to study text book by hard. Some of the lecturer even develop their own answer for the past year question for student.

So even the lecturer can't help u 100% for the exam, but with all this thing, he/she already help u a lot. And you must remember, a lot of student fail exam not because of lecturer not good, but is because of themself not done so good during the exam.

ACCA is difference from Degree course. If u want to complete it within a short period, my advise is u better go to attend the class. Even with the lecturer, there was no gurantee pass, but without lecturer, you will feel that more difficult to pass.

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post Feb 15 2008, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(mracca @ Feb 15 2008, 12:09 AM)
My comments on the paper:
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The professional levels will become much harder.

P2 compared to P1 and P3, I suppose all are the same in terms of effort.
In terms of spotting P2 and P3 is easier
In terms of those with computational interest, P2 should be easier

As far as I remember, the lecturers will only say the paper is hard so as to increase your effort in that paper.

I suggest that each person should conduct your own SWOT before allocating resources (time) for the papers.

Those that are weak in theory, slow down and take your time cause the whole professional level is full of theory
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Actually, we can't said the prof paper is more difficult or more easy. Just for new syllabus, ACCA put more theory into practical. They want the student know more on application than study theory by hard.

I can give u a example also, my friend go to do P6 last sitting. B4 he actually enter for exam, he feel that problem is not much to handle this paper cos he get 48 marks in June 07. And also his lecturer Chow Chee Yan told student P6 cut down a lot of specialise industries, so sholud be easier than old 3.2. That day after he go for exam, he was very disappointed cos the question very practical until he don't know how to advise. But look like the question so hard, I really don't understand how can Chow Chee Yan go to tell student P6 should be easier than old 3.2?

As you can see from the Pilot paper and Dec 07 PYQ, the question was very practical as compare to old syllabus. Even you are very strong in theory, not means that you can do very well in P1 and P3, cos study theory and answer question is difference story. And also for those strong in calculation, not means that they can done well in P2, cos consol part for P2 can be very confuse until they do a lot of mistake in the qusetion.

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post Feb 15 2008, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Feb 15 2008, 10:05 AM)
Actually, we can't said the prof paper is more difficult or more easy. Just for new syllabus, ACCA put more theory into practical. They want the student know more on application than study theory by hard.

I can give u a example also, my friend go to do P6 last sitting. B4 he actually enter for exam, he feel that problem is not much to handle this paper cos he get 48 marks in June 07. And also his lecturer Chow Chee Yan told student P6 cut down a lot of specialise industries, so sholud be easier than old 3.2. That day after he go for exam, he was very disappointed cos the question very practical until he don't know how to advise. But look like the question so hard, I really don't understand how can Chow Chee Yan go to tell student P6 should be easier than old 3.2?

As you can see from the Pilot paper and Dec 07 PYQ, the question was very practical as compare to old syllabus. Even you are very strong in theory, not means that you can do very well in P1 and P3, cos study theory and answer question is difference story. And also for those strong in calculation, not means that they can done well in P2, cos consol part for P2 can be very confuse until they do a lot of mistake in the qusetion.
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I also have friends that get 49% in audit paper.
After that study very hard and did a lot of revision
Next time she able to score 49% again cry.gif

After that ,she went to attend the full time class again and studied advance audit.
In that sitting,the question is easy for her,
after the result out , she get 44%

And she took this audit paper at last sitting, and she said is very difficult.
We will know the result at 18tfeb.
I think she will pass at this sitting ,because she said it is difficult.
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post Feb 15 2008, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(kelvinlee1983 @ Feb 15 2008, 10:49 AM)
I also have friends that get 49% in audit paper.
After that study very hard and did a lot of revision
Next time she able to score 49% again  cry.gif

After that ,she went to attend the full time class again and studied advance audit.
In that sitting,the question is easy for her,
after the result out , she get 44%

And she took this audit paper at last sitting, and she said is very difficult.
We will know the result at 18tfeb.
I think she will pass at this sitting ,because she said it is difficult.
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Which paper? 2.6/F8 or 3.1/P7?

But as I told u b4, 2.6/F8 passing rate very low. A lot of student feel that done well during the exam, but when result out fail! cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

Hope you can pass in 1 sitting lah!
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post Feb 15 2008, 11:37 AM

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examiners giving seminars will benefit us all. but had you ever seen an examiner giving a seminar in malaysia?
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post Feb 15 2008, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Feb 15 2008, 11:27 AM)
Which paper? 2.6/F8 or 3.1/P7?

But as I told u b4, 2.6/F8 passing rate very low. A lot of student feel that done well during the exam, but when result out fail! cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif

Hope you can pass in 1 sitting lah!
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She took paper 2.6.(3 times with 49,49,44)
last sitting re-sit again and take F8

I also afraid i will fail , cause u told me before , the ppl that feel confident, normally will fail.
The person who didnt do well in the exam, but always pass .
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QUOTE(VpIc @ Feb 15 2008, 11:37 AM)
examiners giving seminars will benefit us all. but had you ever seen an examiner giving a seminar in malaysia?
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If FOC, then go lah! But if charge u, better done waste your money.

I went to 3.2 examiner seminar b4, what he try to tell u was how to answer the exam question and some exam technique. But all this thing, Kwai Fatt already told us during his normal class.

The examiner won't tell u the KEY TOPIC cos he need u to study the whole syllabus. mad.gif mad.gif
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anyone ACCA student here is from Sunway? I wonder whether Sunway got part time ACCA courses for Part 2 and 3? smile.gif
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sunway has part time courses, conducted on weekends and also weekday nights. check wif sunway for details, ty.
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post Feb 15 2008, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(crazyguuy @ Feb 15 2008, 01:44 PM)
Those that Worried the most always PASS & managed to Score ! tongue.gif

I got one friend, age of 20 only, sat the last 3 core papers & win overall prize.
The night b4 the result is out, she sms me, said she worried that she will failed Paper 3.6, but her marks for this paper is 70+.  rclxub.gif

THANKS guys for giving FEEDBACK to P1 to P3 papers  rclxms.gif
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Maybe for her standard , fail is below 70.
SO that she afraid cant get more than 70,
so that she worried rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

3days left, how about your (all acca students)feeling now?
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post Feb 15 2008, 04:34 PM

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Wonder whether got problem receive the result late or not by using Hotmail for tis time as las sitting, hv to log in to ACCA web to c result 1st as very late using Hotmail
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QUOTE(schuen @ Feb 15 2008, 04:34 PM)
Wonder whether got problem receive the result late or not by using Hotmail for tis time as las sitting, hv to log in to ACCA web to c result 1st as very late using Hotmail
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I received my result at the after 2 days.(that means is the 3rd day)

I wait until midnight 12am.

After that , i log in to ACCA website ,but busy server.

wait until 1 am , then i can log in and view my result
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QUOTE(ggoo @ Jan 10 2008, 08:09 PM)
hey.. where can i find pass years CAT papers???
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I have all CAT past year paper, contact me at tan19860201@yahoo.com, i send to u.

Let me know which paper u wan.


Added on February 15, 2008, 5:11 pm
QUOTE(roy_pck @ Jan 25 2008, 11:52 PM)
to those who are taking F6, F7, F8, P1, P2 and P3 Michael's IRC at Mc Orange, please take note that they had came out with new policies regarding seats allocation. ask clearly when you register with them. change seat also need to charge RM20 admin fees WTF?!!! mc orange is really becoming blood sucker nowadays!!  mad.gif  mad.gif
luckily my P4 and P5 IRC not affected cause small classes  tongue.gif
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No. You should read properly, (Rule No. 8), 2nd change only charge. 1st time change FOC!


IRC SEAT ALLOCATION NOTICE for the following subjects:
F6 by Ms Wong Paik Wan
F7 (Group 1 & 2); P2 (Group 1 & 2) by Mr Haneef
F8 (Group 1 & 2); P1 (Group 1 & 2) by Ms Sheila John
P3 Special Group by Mr Michael Mainwaring

Please be advised that the intensive revision courses (IRC) for the above subjects are following
seat allocation. It is therefore important for you to know the term of reference pertaining to our
seat allocation arrangement.

Term of Reference:

1. Seat allocation will be open for booking from 18 February 2008 9am.
2. Mc Orange Institute's full term students (who have signed up both Term 1 & Term 2 by 17 February) will be granted the priority to book their seat from 18 February to 24 February 2008 (McO Student Week).
3. During the McO Student Week, full term students will be allow to book your seat (personally at the ACCA counter by presenting your Official Receipts, phone booking will not be entertained, no booking for friends) and transfer of groups (eg, Gp 1 to Gp 2 or vice versa).
4. For students who only signed up for Term 1, if returning during McO Student Week to sign up for Term 2, will be enjoying the same benefit as full term students as described in Note 3 above.
5. Students who signed up for February 2008 intake and IRC only, seat allocation will be starting from 25 February 2008. Seat booking need to be done personally by presenting your official receipts, no phone booking, and no booking for friends.
6. If you are full term student but did not come forward to book your seat during the McO Student Week, you will be allocated with the balance of seats which we have reserved for you.
7. If you are Term 1 student but only sign up Term 2 after 24 February, you will be booking your seats together with students described in Note 5 above.
8. We only accept ONE application for transferring of group with no charge. Administrative Charges of RM20 will be applied to any subsequent transfer and transfer is subject to seat availability.
9. Please present your Identity card on first day of IRC to collect your IRC notes.
10. Please always check to the latest timetable for the IRC dates from the ACCA Counter. Please refer to the ACCA counter should you need further clarification.


Added on February 15, 2008, 5:24 pm
QUOTE(kelvinlee1983 @ Feb 13 2008, 10:29 PM)
If u work for full time , then u dont need to take all 3 papers
u can choose to take one paper only.
Then u see and evaluate whether u can handle well or not if u take one paper
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P3 Michael Mainwaring (MCO) is very good, he will come for Revision Course. Tham (MCO) teaching the normal course, he is good also...

I heard that this class is seat allocated. 1st come 1st serve.


Added on February 15, 2008, 5:32 pm
QUOTE(vin_ann @ Feb 11 2008, 04:51 PM)
im wondering whether my notes and text book year 2004 will be useful for the current exam?

i got 3.2 advanced taxation and the 3 core papers.
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out date already!
3.2/3.6 (replaced by P6/P2) follow the change of the current issue and change of account standards.
3.5 (replaced by P3) P3 is combination of 3.4 & 3.5, update/change of syllabus
3.7 (replaced by P1) no longer in ACCA syllabus, P1 is a new subject!

This post has been edited by Tan19860201: Feb 15 2008, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(Tan19860201 @ Feb 15 2008, 05:04 PM)
I have all CAT past year paper, contact me at tan19860201@yahoo.com, i send to u.

Let me know which paper u wan.


Added on February 15, 2008, 5:11 pm
No. You should read properly, (Rule No. 8), 2nd change only charge. 1st time change FOC!
IRC SEAT ALLOCATION NOTICE for the following subjects:
F6 by Ms Wong Paik Wan
F7 (Group 1 & 2); P2 (Group 1 & 2) by Mr Haneef
F8 (Group 1 & 2); P1 (Group 1 & 2) by Ms Sheila John
P3 Special Group by Mr Michael Mainwaring

Please be advised that the intensive revision courses (IRC) for the above subjects are following
seat allocation. It is therefore important for you to know the term of reference pertaining to our
seat allocation arrangement.

Term of Reference:

1.    Seat allocation will be open for booking from 18 February 2008 9am.
2.    Mc Orange Institute's full term students (who have signed up both Term 1 & Term 2 by 17 February) will be granted the priority to book                their seat from 18 February to 24 February 2008 (McO Student Week).
3.    During the McO Student Week, full term students will be allow to book your seat (personally at the ACCA counter by presenting your Official  Receipts, phone booking will not be entertained, no booking for friends) and transfer of groups (eg, Gp 1 to Gp 2 or vice versa).
4.    For students who only signed up for Term 1, if returning during McO Student Week to sign up for Term 2, will be enjoying the same benefit as full term students as described in Note 3 above.
5.    Students who signed up for February 2008 intake and IRC only, seat allocation will be starting from 25 February 2008. Seat booking need to be done personally by presenting your official receipts, no phone booking, and no booking for friends.
6.    If you are full term student but did not come forward to book your seat during the McO Student Week, you will be allocated with the balance of seats which we have reserved for you.
7.    If you are Term 1 student but only sign up Term 2 after 24 February, you will be booking your seats together with students described in Note 5  above.
8.    We only accept ONE application for transferring of group with no charge. Administrative Charges of RM20 will be applied to any subsequent transfer and transfer is subject to seat availability.
9.    Please present your Identity card on first day of IRC to collect your IRC notes.
10.  Please always check to the latest timetable for the IRC dates from the ACCA Counter. Please refer to the ACCA counter should you        need further clarification.


Added on February 15, 2008, 5:24 pm
P3 Michael Mainwaring (MCO) is very good, he will come for Revision Course. Tham (MCO) teaching the normal course, he is good also...

I heard that this class is seat allocated. 1st come 1st serve.


Added on February 15, 2008, 5:32 pm
out date already!
3.2/3.6 (replaced by P6/P2) follow the change of the current issue and change of account standards.
3.5 (replaced by P3) P3 is combination of 3.4 & 3.5, update/change of syllabus
3.7 (replaced by P1) no longer in ACCA syllabus, P1 is a new subject!
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3.7 (replaced by P1) no longer in ACCA syllabus, P1 is a new subject!

ur opinion is not 100% correct.

give you 1 day to find the mistake and correct it notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(kelvinlee1983 @ Feb 15 2008, 05:35 PM)
3.7 (replaced by P1) no longer in ACCA syllabus, P1 is a new subject!

ur opinion is not 100% correct.

give you 1 day to find the mistake and correct it notworthy.gif
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3.7 no more in essential module as core paper, replaced by P4.
But the subject replacing 3.7 as core paper is P1 - a new subject.
OK?


Added on February 15, 2008, 6:10 pm
QUOTE(carlosandy @ Jan 5 2008, 11:53 PM)
I think u better choose other lecturer since got KSA student complaint about his teaching method in P1 (P7 don't know).

Actually it is very high risk to take P7 since the KL 2 best audit lecturer Philip Woo and Sheila also stop teaching this paper. I also don't think Jackson Chan will be better than Philip Woo and Sheila in teaching audit paper.

You try some lecturer got better experience, may Fung Chee Kang (FTMS) lah!
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I heard Sheila (MCO) going to open a class for P7 Revision in May 2008.

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[quote=Tan19860201,Feb 15 2008, 05:04 PM]
I have all CAT past year paper, contact me at tan19860201@yahoo.com, i send to u.

Let me know which paper u wan.


Added on February 15, 2008, 5:11 pm
No. You should read properly, (Rule No. 8), 2nd change only charge. 1st time change FOC!
IRC SEAT ALLOCATION NOTICE for the following subjects:
F6 by Ms Wong Paik Wan
F7 (Group 1 & 2); P2 (Group 1 & 2) by Mr Haneef
F8 (Group 1 & 2); P1 (Group 1 & 2) by Ms Sheila John
P3 Special Group by Mr Michael Mainwaring

Please be advised that the intensive revision courses (IRC) for the above subjects are following
seat allocation. It is therefore important for you to know the term of reference pertaining to our
seat allocation arrangement.

Term of Reference:

1. Seat allocation will be open for booking from 18 February 2008 9am.
2. Mc Orange Institute's full term students (who have signed up both Term 1 & Term 2 by 17 February) will be granted the priority to book their seat from 18 February to 24 February 2008 (McO Student Week).
3. During the McO Student Week, full term students will be allow to book your seat (personally at the ACCA counter by presenting your Official Receipts, phone booking will not be entertained, no booking for friends) and transfer of groups (eg, Gp 1 to Gp 2 or vice versa).
4. For students who only signed up for Term 1, if returning during McO Student Week to sign up for Term 2, will be enjoying the same benefit as full term students as described in Note 3 above.
5. Students who signed up for February 2008 intake and IRC only, seat allocation will be starting from 25 February 2008. Seat booking need to be done personally by presenting your official receipts, no phone booking, and no booking for friends.
6. If you are full term student but did not come forward to book your seat during the McO Student Week, you will be allocated with the balance of seats which we have reserved for you.
7. If you are Term 1 student but only sign up Term 2 after 24 February, you will be booking your seats together with students described in Note 5 above.
8. We only accept ONE application for transferring of group with no charge. Administrative Charges of RM20 will be applied to any subsequent transfer and transfer is subject to seat availability.
9. Please present your Identity card on first day of IRC to collect your IRC notes.
10. Please always check to the latest timetable for the IRC dates from the ACCA Counter. Please refer to the ACCA counter should you need further clarification.


Added on February 15, 2008, 5:24 pm
P3 Michael Mainwaring (MCO) is very good, he will come for Revision Course. Tham (MCO) teaching the normal course, he is good also...

I heard that this class is seat allocated. 1st come 1st serve.



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Mc orange punya orang .................... haha drool.gif drool.gif


good luck, everyone................ rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

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