P4 - you can go to Daniel Ho (FTMS) or Andrew Pang (KSA)

P6 - Kwai Fatt is a best lecturer, but he didn't run any normal class next sitting. So you have no better choice, only Chow Chee Yan (Mc Orange). But the tuition fees for Chow Chee Yan more expansive than Kwai Fatt and study material less than Kwai Fatt!

P1 - If u want to take, I prefer Philip Woo. But u need to go fast to avoid full house. Cos last sitting full house oh!

Mc Orange is MAKAN ORANG COLLEGE!

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 13 2007, 05:26 PM

I agree with u they provided quality and good lecturer, but the fees oso can't be so high. It is not acceptable in KL area.

For eg, Chow Chee Yan vs Kwai Fatt. Study material from Kwai Fatt is more than Chow Chee Yan 3 times, exam technique is Kwai Fatt better than Chow Chee Yan, and beside 3.2 Kwai Fatt oso help student to pass other subject. In the class, Kwai Fatt oso teach us some technique in the commercial practice. The only thing Chow Chee Yan good was his teaching method, cos some of the student feel that Chow Chee Yan can give more better understanding in teaching tis subject.

Compare 2 person. quality - Kwai Fatt was better. How can Chow Chee Yan tuition fees (RM990) expansive than Kwai Fatt (RM920)?

Those time in SEGi, Haneef class only RM780, but after he go to Mc Orange, the tuition fee increase to RM1055. It is unacceptable in KL area.

Even as u said Mc Orange provided quality and good lecturer, but KSA oso provided quality and good lecturer mah! How come KSA so cheap. Mc Orange so expansive?

Unless no good choice, otherwise I won't attend any class in Mc Orange!

I don't think Mc Orange give more hour than KSA, since I read their table. For eg, last sitting P3 class, due to the syllabus too wide, Parmindar give a lot of extra class. I don't any extra class given by Mc Orange for this paper.

I attend Philip Woo last sitting P1.

Don't worry, P1 syllabus is not too wide, Philip Woo can finish on time. Beside that, he also said, next sitting all the 4 exam already include in the time table, he will give 2 extra class to discluss the question in this 4 exam. So u no need to scale for attend his class tis round. And oso I think he is a best P1 lecturer in KL.

Last sitting, Parmindar oredi mentioned tis in the class. He said P3 syllabus is too wide, he can't finish it within 24 lecturer and give a lot of extra class last sitting. So he need to ask college increase the tuition fees for P3 and oso possible to split P3 into 2 part, ie P3 - Normal & P3 - IT/IS.

I think they will increase the fees around RM100 lah! And hope they can give some discount if we take more subject.

But no matter how much increase, I think their fees oso cheaper than Mc Orange (Ha Ha, better change name to MAKAN ORANG INSTITUTE)

Ha Ha , you attend Sheila F8, one thing u need to stand by, her notes will be very detail (the size can up to 1 BPP Manual) under u can't finish study.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 14 2007, 04:06 PM

It is good. Hope the fee won't charges too high. Kill MAKAN ORANG INSTITUTE!

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Added on December 15, 2007, 1:01 amSo clever you

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 15 2007, 01:01 AM

I agree with u, Mc Orange fees too high, can't acceptable in KL area.

For SEGI, if CKF teaching P6, the RM920 still can acceptable cos he work very hard to help student pass tis paper. Compare to Mc Orange P6 Chow Chee Yan, CKF is more cheaper.

Somebody said Chow Chee Yan class including IRC mah, so fees higher than CKF loh! But they even dun know actually in normal class CKF oredi give Revision, so we no need paid extra to attend IRC.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 16 2007, 12:42 PM

Very difficult to give u advise, cos tis paper change examiner and exam format also change. The best Audit lecturer in KL is Sheila and Philip Woo, but both also stop teaching tis paper.

Ha Ha, you should lo, I dun like Mc Orange except some paper no choice.

P1 - Philip Woo (I think he is one of the best P1 lecturer in KL, better go to register fast to avoid no place, last sitting full house)

P2 - Joe Fang or Keith Farmer (But I will go to Keith Farmer, cos know that his exam technique very good)

P3 - Parmindar (He is very good in IT/IS topic and can teach u how to apply IT/IS in Value Chain, Portal
5 forces. For Mgmt part, he is good oso. He do his own answer for all the PYQ to make student more easy to read and understand, cos examiner answer was very confuse to read)

P4 - Daniel Ho (never attend b4, but a lot ppl said he is very good)

P6 - Chow Chee Yan (experience lecturer but very expensive. If CKF teach IRC, then better go cos CKF exam technique very good)

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 17 2007, 04:56 PM

For P1, I think Sheila is good oso, but her notes too detail until we can't finish study. If compare Sheila with Philip Woo, I personally prefer Philip Woo cos he make student more understanding. But since u said the seem x suit ur learning, then may be u go for Sheila lah!

For P2, I think no problem if u change to Keith Farmer cos the exam style in P2 will be difference from F5.

For P5, my friend attend Alan Yeo class b4. Compare with CKF and Chow Chee Yan, Alan is not so good.

So riskly to attend his P6 class ah! Means that even normal class, he also didn't teach the whole syllabus?

Then, study tis paper for what? Just go for exam? Paid more fees, but didn't cover whole syllabus. Mc Orange betul-betul MAKAN ORANG oh!

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 17 2007, 10:33 PM

I attend P1 with Philip Woo and old 2.6 with Sheila. If u ask me, I will recommend Philip Woo. His teaching style will be more on story to make student understand and interesting in the CG. And don't worry, Philip Woo class won't be boring, he will tell u a lot of commercial funny funny story.

Sheila where I attend her 2.6 class few sitting ago. I'm not say she was not good, but sometime she is too fast until I can't catch up what she try to teach us. And also her notes too detail (size=1 BPP manual) until I can't finish reading. Some of the thing not relavant to 2.6, but she include it in the notes also. Even can finish read her notes, I also feel very blur oredi cos too much thing to read.

So depend on the people, some people like Sheila style but some like Philip Woo style. What I can said was Sheila style will come out some method to help student memorise the Key Word, but Philip Woo will make student understand first and follow by memorise Key Word.

Talk about fees, I always said Mc Orange tuition fees can't acceptable in KL area.

For P2, I'm not sure whether Keith Farmer or Joe Fang is better. But according to some people, they said Keith Farmer exam technique and notes was very good. So I think I'll go for Keith Farmer also lah!

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 18 2007, 12:32 AM

Actually the purpose to take 3.2/P6 not just for exam, but also is a time to get something more adding value, for eg. Tax Planning. This paper is very good and very challenging.

But looking what u try to tell me was Chow Chee Yan only focus on important topic for exam. Means that he is not like Kwai Fatt where beside cover whole syllabus and focus on exam, Kwai Fatt also show us a lot of technique where he done in the actual practice.

Ha Ha Ha, lucky I already pass 3.2, cos now Kwai Fatt won't run this paper for normal class every sitting.

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Added on December 18, 2007, 9:53 amI only take Sheila 2.6 in Mc Orange b4 and that time their fees still can acceptable, cos Normal class + IRC only RM700+ to RM800+. I can't comment why their fees so high. May be they thing their lecturer quality is good, so charge so high fees is fair for student.

One more thing I don't like was Mc Orange was a first college in KL where compulsory want the student sign up their Revision Class for every paper in full term course. Due to this, Kasturi now also follow like that and make us paid more fees.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 18 2007, 10:03 AM

Ya, but only for same module paper u can jump. For eg, P1 - P3, you can take any order for tis 3 paper. If u want to take options, then u need to take also together with P1, P2 & P3.

Dec 07 is a transition period, that's why some people can take option b4 core!

Yes.

And one more thing I need to remind u. Don't think option paper is easy than core paper. B'cos under new syllabus, the easier old paper 3.4 oredi joint with P3 and 3.7 also move to option. So, option paper no longer easier than core paper.

The problem is this paper change format, change examiner and the most famous audit lecturer in KL ie Philip Woo and Sheila also stop teaching. I dun think got any other lecturer better than them to teach tis paper.

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Added on December 18, 2007, 2:57 pmP1 - I strongly prefer Philip Woo. For Parmindar, I think ok ok but problem was he don't have audit background, I don't know what method he will use to teach internal control. But please don't go for Jackson Chan, cos my friend working in KSA, she told me some student complaint about Jackson Chan's teaching method for P1.

P2 - Is up to u. My friend say Joe Fang very good in consol also, but IFRS part ok ok only.

P3 - This paper actually is combination of old 3.4 and 3.5. IT/IS play very important in tis paper, b'cos the examiner for P3 was ex-2.1 examiner.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Dec 18 2007, 03:02 PM

Don't do in Sunway. I know one lecturer where she is very good mentor in OBU and her price was cheaper than Sunway. If u want, then just PM me, I can give her handphone number to you.

mc orange - sheila or ksa - philip woo

Ha Ha Ha, both 3 KSA P1 lecturer, if u want to know who is good, who is just ok ok and who is not so good, u see their volume of student in last sitting, then u will know the answer.

Philip Woo, off course most of the student will choose him.

Parmindar, his student was less than Philip, but more than Jackson/Vikness. If I'm not mistake, Parmindar also got more than 100 student last sitting. But Parmindar don't have audit background, I don't know wat method he try to use in teaching some topic like Internal Control.

Jackson Chan only got few student, less than 30. And some student complaint above his teaching method in P1.