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post May 26 2025, 05:35 PM, updated 7 months ago

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After 12 days of investigation at a BYD service centre, representatives from BYD Sime Motors visited the owner in Melaka to provide an explanation on the issue. While initial assessments pointed to the 12V battery as the culprit, the final diagnosis revealed a different root cause: a faulty sensor located at the driver’s door.

According to the explanation given, the damaged sensor mistakenly triggered the vehicle’s safety shutdown sequence.

This caused the Atto 3 to initiate rapid emergency braking, which activated the hazard lights and bringing the car to a complete stop in under seven seconds. This was followed by a full system power-off.

The car reportedly became unresponsive with the gear in neutral, and the wheels locked, preventing it from being pushed to safety. As a result, it had to be towed with the help of wheel dollies.

The owner has also published dashcam footage, confirming that the car began braking at 00:21 while travelling at 106km/h, coming to a full stop by 00:27. He emphasised that no warnings or indicators appeared before the vehicle took “drastic” action.

While the experience was unsettling, the matter was resolved when BYD Sime Motors agreed to repurchase the vehicle via full settlement with the bank. The owner noted some financial loss from several months of instalment payments but said the decision was made in the interest of family safety. As shared in the previous post, his EV was 10 months old and have clocked over 20,000km.







Similar case overseas (brasil)



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good for him because can buy another atto3 at discount right?
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post May 26 2025, 05:37 PM

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Didn't know car will emergency brake if door is opened

Salahkan pintu pulak


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post May 26 2025, 05:37 PM

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faulty sensor at the door also brake? LOL
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I believe the main issue is not about the buy back, but how many cars are still there on the road with faulty sensor. So it’s gonna be a recall? Or there is no way to detect it?

Human lives can gone anytime with this kind of sudden braking at high speed.
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Gila punye safety function

Illogical to power off and lock wheels
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post May 26 2025, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM)
good for him because can buy another atto3 at discount right?
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Not scare meh?

Switch to reliable car better
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recall inkambing or isolated case? lol
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post May 26 2025, 05:40 PM

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: a faulty sensor located at the driver’s door.

What the fuck? Why so many sensors are directly connected to the car's ability to be used?
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post May 26 2025, 05:41 PM

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so this faulty sensor shit is a disaster waiting to happen.. imagine these modern so called high tech cars now packed with sensors in every corner, one of the sensor go crazy u will risk losing life stopping suddenly in the middle of high speed freeway
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post May 26 2025, 05:43 PM

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Yup that's some regenerative braking going on at 106km/hr to 0 km/hr in just 6 seconds.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 26 2025, 05:40 PM)
: a faulty sensor located at the driver’s door.

What the fuck? Why so many sensors are directly connected to the car's ability to be used?
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this is really stupid and unnecessary move.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM)
good for him because can buy another atto3 at discount right?
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walauweh, phobia lor, i don't think i still able to drive back the same model or even the same brand ler

my life is not that cheap thou
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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM)
good for him because can buy another atto3 at discount right?
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big loss to him bro. no way he will buy another atto. lol. manufacturer for sure follow that 25% depreciation rules when repurchase his car. he lose big wo in term of monetary

this is lesson to him. dont simply become rat and buy early adopter ev from china

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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM)
good for him because can buy another atto3 at discount right?
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if he wants to try dying again, then yes
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ May 26 2025, 05:38 PM)
I believe the main issue is not about the buy back, but how many cars are still there on the road with faulty sensor. So it’s gonna be a recall? Or there is no way to detect it?

Human lives can gone anytime with this kind of sudden braking at high speed.
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Not only the driver's life but other road users as well

now i should be alert of this beiyandiu
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Isolated case ni
Please don't generalise all Atto3

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I think he also glad to be able to sell back to them,safety more important
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QUOTE(DS51 @ May 26 2025, 05:45 PM)
big loss to him bro. no way he will buy another atto. lol. manufacturer for sure follow that 25% depreciation rules when repurchase his car. he lose big wo in term of monetary

this is lesson to him. dont simply become rat and buy early adopter ev from china
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so become rat lab for Testla or Beemer/Meseli EV is okay la?

inb4 tesla > all
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Ev companies need to be seriously get audited by safety board. Need to check their electrical scchmatics. Im curious how many sensors when go into error start deactivating the car for no reason what so ever.

My ice car if crank shaft sensor rosak to o2 sensor rosak it won't deactivate the car midway driving
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post May 26 2025, 05:55 PM

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I smell bullshit.

Either BYD Malaysia just wanna keep something more sinister under wraps or BYD system architecture has a serious flaw where a non safety critical fault can trigger system shutdown. Even so, no reason to have car totally unresponsive.

We can only hope our authorities can intervene before something worse happens.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 26 2025, 05:51 PM)
Ev companies need to be seriously get audited by safety board. Need to check their electrical scchmatics. Im curious how many sensors when go into error start deactivating the car for no reason what so ever.

My ice car if crank shaft sensor rosak to o2 sensor rosak it won't deactivate the car midway driving
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During development, all car manufacturers and suppliers must conform to ISO 26262 with regards to electronic components. BYD is not a new manufacturer. So either something is wrong with their architecture or something worse is the culprit. Can’t be a door sensor.
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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ May 26 2025, 05:59 PM)
During development, all car manufacturers and suppliers must conform to ISO 26262 with regards to electronic components. BYD is not a new manufacturer. So either something is wrong with their architecture or something worse is the culprit. Can’t be a door sensor.
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Is this ISO requirement applicable in China?
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If it was a faulty door sensor how come this was not picked up by the owner and mentioned earlier in the initial report ?
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looks like those who bought is the lab rats now
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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ May 26 2025, 05:59 PM)
During development, all car manufacturers and suppliers must conform to ISO 26262 with regards to electronic components. BYD is not a new manufacturer. So either something is wrong with their architecture or something worse is the culprit. Can’t be a door sensor.
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wait for Atto 4 Ultra Pro Max edition, will have bug fix
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ May 26 2025, 06:38 PM)
I believe the main issue is not about the buy back, but how many cars are still there on the road with faulty sensor. So it’s gonna be a recall? Or there is no way to detect it?

Human lives can gone anytime with this kind of sudden braking at high speed.
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Kenot just OTA update kaaa

All are software driven
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Serious software bug rclxub.gif

Cannot simply slam the brake and shutdown the car just because of a sensor fault. Must have better algorithm to manage data from faulty sensors. sweat.gif
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Already say. Avoid china brand cars. No RnD. Just copy paste. But copy also can fail.
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Lol retarded so called high tech junk.

My father BMWajunk electrical faulty as shit, doors will auto unlock randomly and lock back when step brake. But luckily didn't randomly kill the car like this CCP junk
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buy more cars that's full of electronics and sensors inside

all it takes is 1 sensor
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Ah Boy are you still using this same car or already sold?
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Nanti Sime Darby selling BYD pre own with low millage.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 06:04 PM)
If it was a faulty door sensor how come this was not picked up by the owner and mentioned earlier in the initial report ?
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The car's computer did not give any visible clues to a door sensor fault but simply shut down the vehicle.

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QUOTE(voscar @ May 26 2025, 06:16 PM)
Ah Boy are you still using this same car or already sold?
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Same car la ayam happy with this car why sell hmm.gif
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 26 2025, 06:14 PM)
Kenot just OTA update kaaa

All are software driven
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Like someone mentioned, maybe there are more serious issue hence the decision to buy back it.

Ayam not a car manufacturer, but very hard for ayam to believe a company want to buy back a whole car all just due to 1 faulty sensor
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If faulty sensor at door , just tell or give warning to driver got faulty sensor at door

Pusing pusing until cow also can fly

Inb4 LOD coming
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ May 26 2025, 07:22 PM)
Like someone mentioned, maybe there are more serious issue hence the decision to buy back it.

Ayam not a car manufacturer, but very hard for ayam to believe a company want to buy back a whole car all just due to 1 faulty sensor
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BYD thanking the beta testers ler for real life test and improving the vehicle
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 26 2025, 06:26 PM)
BYD thanking the beta testers ler for real life test and improving the vehicle
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Later all the Ev fanboy beta testers in /k here come wallop anneh only u know
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ May 26 2025, 06:22 PM)
Like someone mentioned, maybe there are more serious issue hence the decision to buy back it.

Ayam not a car manufacturer, but very hard for ayam to believe a company want to buy back a whole car all just due to 1 faulty sensor
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QUOTE(RGRaj @ May 26 2025, 06:21 PM)
The car's computer did not give any visible clues to a door sensor fault but simply shut down the vehicle.
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So it is not the door sensor is faulty right ? How can a faulty door sensor shut down the entire vehicle that is in operation ?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 06:00 PM)
Is this ISO requirement applicable in China?
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Atto 3 prices going to drop more and I think many people going to dump off their Burn Your Dick Atto 3 car…

The one in this case was just 10 months old, and so fast sensor kaput already…
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QUOTE(DS51 @ May 26 2025, 05:45 PM)
big loss to him bro. no way he will buy another atto. lol. manufacturer for sure follow that 25% depreciation rules when repurchase his car. he lose big wo in term of monetary

this is lesson to him. dont simply become rat and buy early adopter ev from china
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Did u read the article? SD agree to buy back the car on the remaining hire purchase amount with bank..
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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ May 26 2025, 06:24 PM)
If faulty sensor at door , just tell or give warning to driver got faulty sensor at door

Pusing pusing until cow also can fly

Inb4 LOD coming
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I don't think you can detect any sensor fault of any kind, unless you have multiple units of the same sensor with one not reporting the same condition with the other.

For example you have a temperature sensor reporting very high temperature but actually it is faulty, how would the system knows that it is faulty? It is impossible to know that. Unless you have another sensor's reading. If both sensors reporting high temperature, then only the system really knows that you have high temperature. If one is very different from the other, then you have a sensor fault.


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Good for them. All byd cars should offer buy back as an assurance.
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buy back sounds good on paper but dude lost 10 months of installements and ended up with a life scar and no car
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ May 26 2025, 06:22 PM)
Like someone mentioned, maybe there are more serious issue hence the decision to buy back it.

Ayam not a car manufacturer, but very hard for ayam to believe a company want to buy back a whole car all just due to 1 faulty sensor
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Worldwide recall?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 06:32 PM)
So it is not the door sensor is faulty right ? How can a faulty door sensor shut down the entire vehicle that is in operation ?
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The manufacture can program the vehicle to shut down in any manner if any sensor is faulty. Whether that's a logical step is another issue.

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Not bad, atleast byd buys back
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jgn jgn, other ev also do this same stunt lol
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QUOTE(RGRaj @ May 26 2025, 06:42 PM)
The manufacture can program the vehicle to shut down in any manner if any sensor is faulty. Whether that's a logical step is another issue.
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Detection of a faulty sensor is impossible if there is only one sensor.

If a door is truly suddenly opened when driving then shutting down is a legitimate way to save the passenger. I think they should have 2 door sensors for each door instead of one.


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But why buy back if can replace the faulty sensor?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 06:00 PM)
Is this ISO requirement applicable in China?
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Even if not applicable, if they want to sell internationally, they have to conform.
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ May 26 2025, 06:43 PM)
Not bad, atleast byd buys back
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Cukur. Now we know that the distributor will offer buy back immediately got door sensor problem.
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QUOTE(Selectt @ May 26 2025, 06:46 PM)
jgn jgn, other ev also do this same stunt lol
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Gila la wei. Conti even engine meletop pon you can replace the engine only.

No need to scrap the whole car lol.
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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 26 2025, 06:48 PM)
But why buy back if can replace the faulty sensor?
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It is so dangerous that replacing the faulty sensor does not cut it but must buy back for safety reasons.
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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 26 2025, 06:48 PM)
But why buy back if can replace the faulty sensor?
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because it is not just faulty sensor? Suck Dick wants to bb coz wants to hide further error by Bei Yan Diu?
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 26 2025, 06:48 PM)
Detection of a faulty sensor is impossible if there is only one sensor.

If a door is truly suddenly opened when driving then shutting down is a legitimate way to save the passenger. I think they should have 2 door sensors for each door instead of one.
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No need 2 sensors. Vehicle controller should be able to determine faulty sensor signal through CANBUS.

The issue here is the way the vehicle determined a faulty door sensor as a safety critical issue, which if following the norm, door sensor should just be Automotive Safety Integrity Level A.

ASIL-A components shouldn't cause vehicle to totally shutdown.

So, if it's true that it's due to door sensor, means BYD architecture on handling faulty sensor is flawed.

If it's not due to door sensor but something worse, BYD is covering up.

Not sure how our authorities will handle.

But if this happens more frequently, especially in EU or US, than the authorities will investigate and BYD might need to issue a fix and recall.
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QUOTE(Selectt @ May 26 2025, 06:52 PM)
because it is not just faulty sensor? Suck Dick wants to bb coz wants to hide further error by Bei Yan Diu?
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Kesian sd. Have to cover up for BYD’s poor engineering.
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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 26 2025, 06:48 PM)
But why buy back if can replace the faulty sensor?
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Maybe manufacturer wants to recreate the same situation for testing.
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good for him because can buy another atto3 at discount right?
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Noway they will buy byd already la even 50k also wont buy.

As i said many times, china cars have such poor engineering that a sensor in the door can cause catastrophic malfunction of the whole car.

Which stupid engineer designed that sensor?
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Byd shud recall n reprogram the sensors systems so tht won't have engine shutdown when faulty or errors
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QUOTE(DS51 @ May 26 2025, 05:43 PM)
this is really stupid and unnecessary move.
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If you have the time, calculate 60Kwh to explosion in joule then find what kind of explosive that matches that energy release. Then realize, that you do not want that kind of energy between your crotch. No i'm serious. Searches like this flags you as terrorist.

Then you will probably think "haiyaa... can one la...".

Then after 1 day of sleep, you realize, thats why they put so many safe guards into an EV. Have you ever thought that they armored the battery is not for puncture but rather energy containment? No? whistling.gif

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good lah..at least a closure for owner..no more worry and of this problem

and byd can fix this issue do something about it
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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ May 26 2025, 06:55 PM)
No need 2 sensors. Vehicle controller should be able to determine faulty sensor signal through CANBUS.

The issue here is the way the vehicle determined a faulty door sensor as a safety critical issue, which if following the norm, door sensor should just be Automotive Safety Integrity Level A.

ASIL-A components shouldn't cause vehicle to totally shutdown.

So, if it's true that it's due to door sensor, means BYD architecture on handling faulty sensor is flawed.

If it's not due to door sensor but something worse, BYD is covering up.

Not sure how our authorities will handle.

But if this happens more frequently, especially in EU or US, than the authorities will investigate and BYD might need to issue a fix and recall.
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If there is a connection issue to the sensor then you can say you can detect no communication with the sensor. If there is no communication problem with the sensor but the sensor gives you wrong data, that couldn't be detected unless you get data from another sensor to confirm.


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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 26 2025, 06:48 PM)
But why buy back if can replace the faulty sensor?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 06:52 PM)
It is so dangerous that replacing the faulty sensor does not cut it but must buy back for safety reasons.
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because this isn't a sensor issue, this is a programming issue
u change the sensor now...it should be fine but the programming part isn't updated

so if anytime in the future the sensor fail again, the same thing is gonna happen again
and maybe worse thing is gonna happen
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QUOTE(DM3 @ May 26 2025, 06:58 PM)
Byd shud recall n reprogram the sensors systems so tht won't have engine shutdown when faulty or errors
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That wouldn't require any recall, just a software update would do.


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QUOTE(trusol @ May 26 2025, 07:08 PM)
If there is a connection issue to the sensor then you can say you can detect no communication with the sensor. If there is no communication problem with the sensor but the sensor gives you wrong data, that couldn't be detected unless you get data from another sensor to confirm.
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True also. But the way the car behaves after a faulty data is the issue here. Door sensor shouldn't trigger abrupt full vehicle shutdown.
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First time I hear the car come to full stop with a faulty sensor

This is just insane there are so many sensors in a car and instead of faulty it should go into limp mode ( drivable so u can coast to the side ) and stop safely
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QUOTE(ry8128 @ May 26 2025, 05:38 PM)
I believe the main issue is not about the buy back, but how many cars are still there on the road with faulty sensor. So it’s gonna be a recall? Or there is no way to detect it?

Human lives can gone anytime with this kind of sudden braking at high speed.
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ May 26 2025, 05:39 PM)
Gila punye safety function

Illogical to power off and lock wheels
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i dont think its just a faulty door sensor..... thats a very very low level mistake that 1 sensor faulty will cause the entire system to shutdown

Buying back the car at remaining bank value is an insult to the car owner, his life at risk, caused trauma and inconvenience, lost of use and also few months of installment lost

Come on, i think they can do better than this
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 26 2025, 07:11 PM)
That wouldn't require any recall, just a software update would do.
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If can wrk via update good, Maybe need plug in,some hardware replacement etc
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QUOTE(azbro @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM)
Didn't know car will emergency brake if door is opened

Salahkan pintu pulak
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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ May 26 2025, 07:12 PM)
True also.  But the way the car behaves after a faulty data is the issue here. Door sensor shouldn't trigger abrupt full vehicle shutdown.
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Probably too aggressive safety precaution in their programming. I wonder if that's a requirement in their ANCAP certification? Maybe should give user the option to choose whether to just give warning only or shutdown or do nothing.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 26 2025, 06:48 PM)
Detection of a faulty sensor is impossible if there is only one sensor.

If a door is truly suddenly opened when driving then shutting down is a legitimate way to save the passenger. I think they should have 2 door sensors for each door instead of one.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 06:50 PM)
Cukur. Now we know that the distributor will offer buy back immediately got door sensor problem.
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If can wrk via update good, Maybe need plug in,some hardware replacement etc
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Hardware recalls may be warranted if more of such devices were found to be faulty, like what happened last year with their power steering fire hazard problem with some of their models.
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Ah Boy are you still using this same car or already sold?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 06:21 PM)
Same car la ayam happy with this car why sell hmm.gif
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From this statement already know you are no automotive and safety engineer here.
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QUOTE(Selectt @ May 26 2025, 06:46 PM)
jgn jgn, other ev also do this same stunt lol 
QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 06:51 PM)
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I don't think the Tesla on FSD woso this same stunt.
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This is /k lah. Not a automotive safety forum. You can berambus to there if you are one such expert.
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Why should i berambus when i can call you out for tokok here?

Kecian u kantoi again tokok acting like automotive expert.

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https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/756680
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When this Atto3 failed on the fast lane, what was the HV Battery readinga ? I don't remember reading anything about this.
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but still wanna beli jugak...

like my friends fader say.... one leg oredi step on shietz..

you're complaining about shit smell and yet one leg still circling and stepping on the shiet going around...

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Why should i berambus when i can call you out for tokok here?

Kecian u kantoi again tokok acting like automotive expert.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 26 2025, 07:08 PM)
because this isn't a sensor issue, this is a programming issue
u change the sensor now...it should be fine but the programming part isn't updated

so if anytime in the future the sensor fail again, the same thing is gonna happen again
and maybe worse thing is gonna happen
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If it's a programming issue, then very likely other Atto3 will also stop abruptly, right ?
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If programming issue then all the same model car need to be inspected la.


Also, if really the case then why don't BYD just re-program back the program/software etc.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 26 2025, 07:38 PM)
This is tokok place so why are you so serious until questioning if one is a pro or not.
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If its tokok only why ask me to berambus?
Why you every EV thread must plotek with your failed logic?

Im not questioning you here, im saying you are not.
Know the difference.....

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BYD thanking the beta testers ler for real life test and improving the vehicle
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All this tester are highly paid, like banking pen test engineer
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QUOTE(saiga @ May 26 2025, 07:43 PM)
If programming issue then all the same model car need to be inspected la.
Also, if really the case then why don't BYD just re-program back the program/software etc.
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If programming issue then totally no need to inspect anything, just reprogram and update. But it is a combination of sensor fault and programming problem and I suspect the door sensor fault is probably very, very rare. Or else you should hear events like this dozens of times per day in Malaysia alone.

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QUOTE(trusol @ May 26 2025, 07:47 PM)
If programming issue then totally no need to inspect anything, just reprogram and update. But it is a combination of sensor fault and programming problem and I suspect the door sensor fault is probably very, very rare. Or else you should hear events like this dozens of times per day in Malaysia alone.
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If these two combination also can do what.

1. Replace sensor
2. Re-program

Definitely BYD is hiding something.
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Maybe because of this incident, they OTA update all their vehicles, if sensor sense that door is open, the car will not drive? Then who know faulty sensor will cause car to brick.
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If these two combination also can do what.

1. Replace sensor
2. Re-program

Definitely BYD is hiding something.
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Nowadays it is silly to hide whatever. Look at the many damages to the reputations of so many car manufacturers after they were found to hide so many issues. If there is a need for recalls, they would do it. Last year BYD recalled nearly 100k cars due to fire risk with their faulty power steering controller.
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If door sensor faulty trigger some sort of emergency sequence not just slow down then double signal and prompt driver with error?

Why will whole thing shut down

Doesn’t sound right lol
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 07:39 PM)
If it's a programming issue, then very likely other Atto3 will also stop abruptly, right ?
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yup, catastrophe waiting to happen if that "code" is in other cars/model as well

that's why they buy back the car to try and replicate it and find out which part of the code is bug

if one sensor can trigger it, the other door's sensor should be able to trigger it as well

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After 12 days of investigation at a BYD service centre, representatives from BYD Sime Motors visited the owner in Melaka to provide an explanation on the issue. While initial assessments pointed to the 12V battery as the culprit, the final diagnosis revealed a different root cause: a faulty sensor located at the driver’s door.

According to the explanation given, the damaged sensor mistakenly triggered the vehicle’s safety shutdown sequence.

This caused the Atto 3 to initiate rapid emergency braking, which activated the hazard lights and bringing the car to a complete stop in under seven seconds. This was followed by a full system power-off.

The car reportedly became unresponsive with the gear in neutral, and the wheels locked, preventing it from being pushed to safety. As a result, it had to be towed with the help of wheel dollies.

The owner has also published dashcam footage, confirming that the car began braking at 00:21 while travelling at 106km/h, coming to a full stop by 00:27. He emphasised that no warnings or indicators appeared before the vehicle took “drastic” action.

While the experience was unsettling, the matter was resolved when BYD Sime Motors agreed to repurchase the vehicle via full settlement with the bank. The owner noted some financial loss from several months of instalment payments but said the decision was made in the interest of family safety. As shared in the previous post, his EV was 10 months old and have clocked over 20,000km.
Similar case overseas (brasil)


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What dumbass manufacturer develops a car that will stop totally in the middle of a road just because of a simple fault? And have zero sense on safety.... oh wait.... China.

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QUOTE(DogeGamingPRO @ May 26 2025, 08:04 PM)
If door sensor faulty trigger some sort of emergency sequence not just slow down then double signal and prompt driver with error?

Why will whole thing shut down

Doesn’t sound right lol
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you're thinking from ICE prespective where things are much simpler

but EV the programming is maybe different or programmed not complete enough, u know lah how china doing their things
maybe the program is if 1 sensor faulty > all system shutdown

instead of programming it more complicated and complete like the conti cars do
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QUOTE(DS51 @ May 26 2025, 05:45 PM)
big loss to him bro. no way he will buy another atto. lol. manufacturer for sure follow that 25% depreciation rules when repurchase his car. he lose big wo in term of monetary

this is lesson to him. dont simply become rat and buy early adopter ev from china
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 06:21 PM)
Same car la ayam happy with this car why sell hmm.gif
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What is the current mileage of your Atto3 boss ?
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QUOTE(mushigen @ May 26 2025, 08:10 PM)
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 08:13 PM)
What is the current mileage of your Atto3 boss ?
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36k. But many of frens driving one already reach 100k
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You can't change perception of any china made products = junk.

See mobile phone as example. they released so many products on a short time. Same goes with other things
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Kesian sd. Have to cover up for BYD’s poor engineering.
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You can't change perception of any china made products = junk.

See mobile phone as example. they released so many products on a short time. Same goes with other things
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 26 2025, 06:37 PM)
I don't think you can detect any sensor fault of any kind, unless you have multiple units of the same sensor with one not reporting the same condition with the other.

For example you have a temperature sensor reporting very high temperature but actually it is faulty, how would the system knows that it is faulty? It is impossible to know that. Unless you have another sensor's reading. If both sensors reporting high temperature, then only the system really knows that you have high temperature. If one is very different from the other, then you have a sensor fault.
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so instead of give warning light , BYD choose to do emergency shutdown in the middle of the highway doing >100km/hr when detect faulty sensor?

if the car initiate emergency shut means it can detect fauty sensor, no?

else car just drive like normal with faulty sensor
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 08:17 PM)
Tak kisah , already bekam tikus makmal for first batch pijot, ford, vw also lel
36k. But many of frens driving one already reach 100k
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Ok and I presume that the factory battery had been changed or are you still using the original factory battery ?
If you had changed the battery already, what were the weak battery readings ?

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 08:49 PM)
Ok and I presume that the factory battery had been changed or are you still using the original factory battery ?
If you had changed the battery already, what were the weak battery readings ?
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Mine is still on the factory battery

SC did the battery test during service and this is the printout

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Damn.. if ayam owner,  no more CCP cars for the rest of ayam life
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Why owner and not owner different? Things still happens right?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 08:52 PM)
Mine is still on the factory battery

SC did the battery test during service and this is the printout

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 08:54 PM)
How long have you had the Atto3 boss ?
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 26 2025, 06:37 PM)
I don't think you can detect any sensor fault of any kind, unless you have multiple units of the same sensor with one not reporting the same condition with the other.

For example you have a temperature sensor reporting very high temperature but actually it is faulty, how would the system knows that it is faulty? It is impossible to know that. Unless you have another sensor's reading. If both sensors reporting high temperature, then only the system really knows that you have high temperature. If one is very different from the other, then you have a sensor fault.
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But for the CCP cars/EV case, I'm more inclined to say they are still behind in safety design. Whether it's in the hardware, mechanical or software/firmware, they are just still lacking. It's easy to write software for fancy stuff but it's much harder to write code for black boxes.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 08:56 PM)
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How is it that your battery is still kicking long after the warranty mileage of 20,000 kms whereas our friend battery had failed at 10 months or just above the warrantied mileage. It would be good if I have access to that battery in question so that test can be done to determine was it really the 12V battery or is it something else.

If your friends whose Atto3 already clocking 100,000 kms and they are still with the factory battery, this case lagi doesn't make any sense.

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QUOTE(mac_mac21 @ May 26 2025, 08:30 PM)
so instead of give warning light , BYD choose to do emergency shutdown in the middle of the highway doing >100km/hr when detect faulty sensor?

if the car initiate emergency shut means it can detect fauty sensor, no?

else car just drive like normal with faulty sensor
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People somehow ignoring this. Usually if check engine or sensor failure will go into limp mode, at least you can still drive but just low speed and cannot rev past 3000rpm. This is poor engineering, this is not "isolated case". BYD is a no buy.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 26 2025, 08:08 PM)
you're thinking from ICE prespective where things are much simpler

but EV the programming is maybe different or programmed not complete enough, u know lah how china doing their things
maybe the program is if 1 sensor faulty > all system shutdown

instead of programming it more complicated and complete like the conti cars do
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Jilake I thought conti car already so many sensor, mana tau today even China car also same/or more.

Lucky when my car soft close door unit fail only soft close function disabled. Not automatic brake the car
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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ May 26 2025, 09:16 PM)
Wow 10 months 20k km. One of my car 5 years only 42k and another 7 years 83k km
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QUOTE(saiga @ May 26 2025, 09:20 PM)
Jilake I thought conti car already so many sensor, mana tau today even China car also same/or more.

Lucky when my car soft close door unit fail only soft close function disabled. Not automatic brake the car
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all cars today have tons of sensors and computers inside

EV in particular is you're basically driving a giant computer...there is almost no mechanical parts

the only difference is how complete the programming is

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Those in FMCG line can easily clock 50,000 kms per year.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 26 2025, 06:37 PM)
I don't think you can detect any sensor fault of any kind, unless you have multiple units of the same sensor with one not reporting the same condition with the other.

For example you have a temperature sensor reporting very high temperature but actually it is faulty, how would the system knows that it is faulty? It is impossible to know that. Unless you have another sensor's reading. If both sensors reporting high temperature, then only the system really knows that you have high temperature. If one is very different from the other, then you have a sensor fault.
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A car that takes control away from the driver is a major risk, and not a safety feature.

Imagine you are halfway overtaking on a 2-way lane but the car decides to reduce your throttle speed because it thinks you are driving "too fast" or "too recklessly" due to "lane departure" sensor ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 09:01 PM)
How is it that your battery is still kicking long after the warranty mileage of 20,000 kms whereas our friend battery had failed at 10 months or just above the warrantied mileage. It would be good if I have access to that battery in question so that test can be done to determine was it really the 12V battery or is it something else.

If your friends whose Atto3 already clocking 100,000 kms and they are still with the factory battery, this case lagi doesn't make any sense.
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Oh the friends with 100k mileage have had their 12v replaced at around 60k-65k. But i dont have the readings/report when it failed
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QUOTE(Hattori @ May 26 2025, 09:31 PM)
A car that takes control away from the driver is a major risk, and not a safety feature.

Imagine you are halfway overtaking on a 2-way lane but the car decides to reduce your throttle speed because it thinks you are driving "too fast" or "too recklessly" due to "lane departure" sensor ?
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Imagine u driving in kampung road and overtaking a car. While overtaking on the opposite lane, your car suddenly stop and there is an incoming big truck towards u. Head on crash.

And no one gonna survive the ordeal to story it is due to faulty sensor instead of driver issue, kek
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Told you it wasn't the 12V battery. While the whole /k talk about 12V the battery, I was the one who mentioned it cannnot be the 12v battery.

Where is that guy who managed a fleet of cars and claim how he know best and wanted to put me in my place when I said it wasn't due to the 12V battery. Need to dig back the post.

Common sense will tell you that 12V battery is expected to fail and the software algorithm will not be so stupid to allow such a simple battery malfunction to cause emergency brake.

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 09:32 PM)
Oh the friends with 100k mileage have had their 12v replaced at around 60k-65k. But i dont have the readings/report when it failed
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I presume your friends didn't use until the battery died correct but when their battery was tested and showed it was weak, they replaced them accordingly.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 10:23 PM)
I presume your friends didn't use until the battery died correct but when their battery was tested and showed it was weak, they replaced them accordingly.
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No, they use until cant start the car. Then just called bateriku come replace

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 10:28 PM)
No, they use until cant start the car
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So their batteries failed when their vehicles were not in operation. Ok

What I would like to see is battery was still able to start the vehicle but because it wasn't healthy anymore, it died while the car was being driven.

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QUOTE(Drian @ May 26 2025, 10:21 PM)
Told you it wasn't the 12V battery. While the whole /k talk about 12V the battery, I was the one who mentioned it cannnot be the 12v battery.

Where is that guy who managed a fleet of cars and claim how he know best and wanted to put me in my place when I said it wasn't due to the 12V battery. Need to dig back the post.

Common sense will tell you that 12V battery is expected to fail and the software algorithm will not be so stupid the allow such a simple battery malfunction to cause emergency brake.
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Fyi, .......

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5521715 - CCP EV emergency brake on highway, almost accident, Guess the brand - 5 May 2025
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It's all the driver fault for not not changing the battery. If the driver have change the battery despite no warning , this would not have happen.
                           There's nothing wrong with BYD emergency braking when battery is low and it is acceptable. The fault lies on the driver for not changing the battery.
                           I know more because I manage a fleet of cars. Yes managing a fleet of cars , tells me that BYD emergency braking is not a safety issue and it is a driver issue.  
QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 6 2025, 09:59 AM)
What diverting idiot ? The fucking 12V lead acid battery has a limited life span. No point writing further to you obviously you don't understand how the whole fucking electrical system works and you say it's irrelevant. I am already managing fleet of vehicles and I will drop smart asses like you in an instant.

Best answer would be that owner to post an update how is his BYD now after his 12V Low Battery was replaced.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 6 2025, 09:37 AM)
This is an EV, we are talking about.

For ICE, my clients are supposed to listen to me when I tell them to replace their batteries. Those who don't listen and when face problems, it's my fault ?
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So now how? Claim to know electrical system so well , but at the end turned out to be wrong.
Blamed the driver, and then now turns out not to be a 12V issue which I predicted.


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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 10:30 PM)

What I would like to see is battery was still able to start the vehicle but because it wasn't healthy anymore, it died while the car was being driven.
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So far none. Not even in the big whatsapp owners only group. All just cannot start car

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 26 2025, 10:31 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5521715 - CCP EV emergency brake on highway, almost accident, Guess the brand - 5 May 2025
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Don't have to reply to that idiot.

The ps is very clear its the battery
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QUOTE(DS51 @ May 26 2025, 05:45 PM)
big loss to him bro. no way he will buy another atto. lol. manufacturer for sure follow that 25% depreciation rules when repurchase his car. he lose big wo in term of monetary

this is lesson to him. dont simply become rat and buy early adopter ev from china
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so owner loss is ~10mths+downpayment
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 26 2025, 10:34 PM)
So now how? Claim to know electrical system so well , but at the end turned out to be wrong.
Blamed the driver,  and then now turns out not to be a 12V issue which I predicted.
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Don't understand why issue happen so many plotektor, when we should be pointing finger at the manufacturer
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 10:35 PM)
Don't have to reply to that idiot.

The ps is very clear its the battery
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While initial assessments pointed to the 12V battery as the culprit, the final diagnosis revealed a different root cause: a faulty sensor located at the driver’s door.

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 10:34 PM)
So far none. Not even in the big whatsapp owners only group. All just cannot start car
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ICE that manages to start under such conditions, will usually end up with a busted charging system at the end. Since EV charging system is different once the low voltage battery finishes it's the end.

How can the root cause a faulty sensor at the door drain the battery while it's in operation, makes no sense at all.
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Damn scary wei. Always keep 2 car distance away from prc car to be safe. If they behind you just let them pass.

This one is 996 programming issue affect all models. Tight deadline and bad mgmt likely push dev team to just cincai duct tape the end add catch all condition to hard break, lock tayars and shut down no matter what when got error. Damn scary.
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QUOTE(Gargamel_gibson @ May 26 2025, 10:38 PM)
Don't understand why issue happen so many plotektor, when we should be pointing finger at the manufacturer
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Don't know why , maybe they have that car and try to plotek, or working in BYD.

Some claims to know electrical system , but don't even realise a DC/DC converter can power the whole car without battery.

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QUOTE(poooky @ May 26 2025, 10:46 PM)
Damn scary wei. Always keep 2 car distance away from prc car to be safe. If they behind you just let them pass.

This one is 996 programming issue affect all models. Tight deadline and bad mgmt likely push dev team to just cincai duct tape the end add catch all condition to hard break, lock tayars and shut down no matter what when got error. Damn scary.
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Provided you can see them. When such EV blacks out on a dark highway how ? Just saw a video, the carcam travelling on center lane and suddenly it passed a silhouette of a stranded vehicle on the fast lane sudah kena accident without any lights at all. If the carcam on the fast lane, mana tak langgar.

Imagine a stranded EV without any power on the highway and an iCE smashes into it, which weighs more than the iCE. Mampus.

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ May 26 2025, 05:55 PM)
I smell bullshit.

Either BYD Malaysia just wanna keep something more sinister under wraps or BYD system architecture has a serious flaw where a non safety critical fault can trigger system shutdown. Even so, no reason to have car totally unresponsive.

We can only hope our authorities can intervene before something worse happens.
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It's very simple to prove true or not, disable the door sensor while driving and see whether it causes emergency brake.
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QUOTE(azbro @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM)
Didn't know car will emergency brake if door is opened

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the car put itself in Electronic Parking Brake when I open the door, while it is in Drive.

Safety feature to prevent run a way car. Driver cannot simply just wedge a stick and jump out from driver door.
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QUOTE(skywardsword @ May 26 2025, 11:04 PM)
the car put itself in Electronic Parking Brake when I open the door, while it is in Drive.

Safety feature to prevent run a way car. Driver cannot simply just wedge a stick and jump out from driver door.
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Why are we talking about driver opening the door ? Didn't the driver said that after his vehicle loss all power, he couldnt even open the door ? So funny la, got some even insinuated that the car stoped because the driver opened the door. Yeah right I am speeding on the fast lane with my family in the car and I just want to open the door.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 10:38 PM)
ICE that manages to start under such conditions, will usually end up with a busted charging system at the end. Since EV charging system is different once the low voltage battery finishes it's the end.

How can the root cause a faulty sensor at the door drain the battery while it's in operation, makes no sense at all.
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Faulty sensor, is link to the "Infotainment" system and "Driving" system, ... the so called "smart" car, even ask me when I use voice command to open the windows while crusing at 80km/hr... " Are you sure you want to open the window when the car is traveling at 80km/hr.


it is just an anecdote on how much the "smart" car is connected to the driving system. The so called safety system, will also put the car in Parking brakes(in this case electronic parking brake) when you suddenly open the door of the car without putting on the parking brake. So the car does not roll off while you get out of the car, without putting on the electronic parking brake.


All part of the system.it also have auto-hill hold, so at traffic lights, when we come to a stop, the brake is held down for us, after the car is stopped for 1-3seconds. and all that monitoring, is done by sensors. If you safety belt is not clipped, the auto-hill hold does not activate. Certainly, when the auto-hill hold brake is active, if you open the door... also the system switch to Electronic parking brake.


Hence, yes, those door open sensors are working full time and if you do not lock the doors, perhaps the sensor is constantly monitoring the door.


And yes, while the car is off, if the door is opened, it will also warn the passenger or driver that there is vehicle approaching from the back....


All that takes a lot of sensor and battery to keep running. Perhaps that is why it is getting so out of control with the 12 V battery getting used up. That is my 3 sen worth of knowledge after driving the car for 10k km. (M6 driver here)
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QUOTE(skywardsword @ May 26 2025, 11:16 PM)
Faulty sensor, is link to the "Infotainment" system and "Driving" system, ... the so called "smart" car, even ask me when I use voice command to open the windows while crusing at 80km/hr... " Are you sure you want to open the window when the car is traveling at 80km/hr.
it is just an anecdote on how much the "smart" car is connected to the driving system. The so called safety system, will also put the car in Parking brakes(in this case electronic parking brake) when you suddenly open the door of the car without putting on the parking brake. So the car does not roll off while you get out of the car, without putting on the electronic parking brake.
All part of the system.it also have auto-hill hold, so at traffic lights, when we come to a stop, the brake is held down for us, after the car is stopped for 1-3seconds. and all that monitoring, is done by sensors. If you safety belt is not clipped, the auto-hill hold does not activate. Certainly, when the auto-hill hold brake is active, if you open the door... also the system switch to Electronic parking brake.
Hence, yes, those door open sensors are working full time and if you do not lock the doors, perhaps the sensor is constantly monitoring the door.
And yes, while the car is off, if the door is opened, it will also warn the passenger or driver that there is vehicle approaching from the back....
All that takes a lot of sensor and battery to keep running. Perhaps that is why it is getting so out of control with the 12 V battery getting used up. That is my 3 sen worth of knowledge after driving the car for 10k km. (M6 driver here)
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Then why the Singapore Atto3 proceeded to move while the driver's door was open ? Where is the safety system ?

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Then why the Singapore Atto3 proceeded to move while the driver's door was open ? Where is the safety system ?
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really? there is a few setting for auto-door locks, maybe he disable it as well? and or auto-power on when door is unlock. I keep those unchecked. but do not know if others keep it running. Open door and the car is ready and prime to move.



and honestly, I do not always try to drive the car with the door open, and the seat belt un-buckled. in the case, where I unbuckle and open the door while car is in "D" mode, directly it auto- engage EPB.


Did the person or the driver seat belt /seat sensor detected the driver is still in the car? *** alot of possiblity for malfunction. or edge cases one.

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At least for ICE, when the battery is disconnected for whatever reason, the vehicle will still have another source of power ie the altenator albeit temporarily in case of an emergency. In EV once battery disconnected, terus black out. So when then Chinese guy decided to public with the limitation of the 12 volt battery, no wonder they silenced him quickly.

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QUOTE(skywardsword @ May 26 2025, 11:28 PM)
really? there is a few setting for auto-door locks, maybe he disable it as well? and or auto-power on when door is unlock. I keep those unchecked. but do not know if others keep it running. Open door and the car is ready and prime to move.
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With all the maybes perhaps etc etc so much safety huh.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 26 2025, 05:40 PM)
: a faulty sensor located at the driver’s door.

What the fuck? Why so many sensors are directly connected to the car's ability to be used?
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As soya lanjiao and EV plotekkers would say this is modern tech for modern drivers not for analogue oku.
As alsways they add “ if you no buy EV, you stupid”

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 11:31 PM)
With all the maybes perhaps etc etc so much safety huh.
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Yes, Uncle also prefer a car with Zero safety system, purely use our own innate safety logic in the brain. therefore, I can only tell you as a user of the car, it does do certain things. But you do not need to question me. Go drive the car yourself and do a video on youtube to show the world it is not safe.
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QUOTE(dickybird @ May 26 2025, 11:32 PM)
As soya lanjiao and EV plotekkers would say this is modern tech for modern drivers not for analogue oku.
As alsways they add “ if you no buy EV, you stupid”
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Think about it, this case was lucky that it happened during the day and those behind managed to avoid him by the skin of their teeth. If at night, he and his family might be dead and we wouldn't know any better.
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QUOTE(skywardsword @ May 26 2025, 11:28 PM)
in the case, where I unbuckle and open the door while car is in "D" mode, directly it auto- engage EPB.
Did the person or the driver seat belt /seat sensor detected the driver is still in the car? *** alot of possiblity for malfunction. or edge cases one.
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This one I have tested on my own Atto last week.

Unbuckle and open door > straight engage EPB and park mode

However

With door still open, from P, press brake and push gear into D, the car starts rolling forward again, with the door still opened.

Will try to test again on another car with EPB to see if the algorithm logic is the same or not

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 11:36 PM)
Think about it, this case was lucky that it happened during the day and those behind managed to avoid him by the skin of their teeth. If at night, he and his family might be dead and we wouldn't know any better.
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I agree.
But soya lanjiao and EV fanboys would still die die defend their battery cars as the future.
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QUOTE(skywardsword @ May 26 2025, 11:33 PM)
Yes, Uncle also prefer a car with Zero safety system, purely use our own innate safety logic in the brain. therefore, I can only tell you as a user of the car, it does do certain things. But you do not need to question me. Go drive the car yourself and do a video on youtube to show the world it is not safe.
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What I wouldn't do or let my clients do is drive with a weak battery. But there will always be those who wants to push the envelope by going against me and when things go awry, I just say didn't I tell you so. But I am also grateful to these explorers la, if not for them, I also wouldn't learn from their mistakes.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 11:38 PM)
This one I have tested on my own Atto last week.

Unbuckle and open door > straight engage EPB and park mode

However

With door still open, from P, press brake and push gear into D, the car starts rolling forward again, with the door still opened.

Will try to test again on another car with EPB to see if the algorithm logic is the same or not
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aye aye, yes, the car can move, when the driver or any other passenger door is not properly closed. (the auto lock also will not complete its job of locking after the car travel up to speed) sometimes I use the locked led on the side panel to find out yes, one door is slightly ajar.

The thing is after it is properly closed and locked, and in Drive, and we open the door or unbuckle.... the system is monitoring and doing the EPB activation.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 11:38 PM)
This one I have tested on my own Atto last week.

Unbuckle and open door > straight engage EPB and park mode

However

With door still open, from P, press brake and push gear into D, the car starts rolling forward again, with the door still opened.

Will try to test again on another car with EPB to see if the algorithm logic is the same or not
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Walao you guys really do such testing huh to see which algorithm is logical ? Shouldnt that be like a standard operational procedure like that the vehicle is safely parked before opening the door and exiting the driver seat ?

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QUOTE(dickybird @ May 26 2025, 11:40 PM)
I agree.
But soya lanjiao and EV fanboys would still die die defend their battery cars as the future.
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Now it's the future la but when the number of EV fires begin to rise and the ridiculous damages sustained, I am sure they will change their tune one.
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QUOTE(Hattori @ May 26 2025, 09:31 PM)
A car that takes control away from the driver is a major risk, and not a safety feature.

Imagine you are halfway overtaking on a 2-way lane but the car decides to reduce your throttle speed because it thinks you are driving "too fast" or "too recklessly" due to "lane departure" sensor ?
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Not what EV fanboys think
They praise the day they get full self driving.
They say you are the OKU being unable to adapt to modern driving tech.
It is not the car that is the problem but you the driver is the problem.
Smh
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 11:50 PM)
Now it's the future la but when the number of EV fires begin to rise and the ridiculous damages sustained, I am sure they will change their tune one.
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They will just wash hands and say it is user problem.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 11:45 PM)
Walao you guys really do such testing huh to see which algorithm is logical ? Shouldnt that be like a standard operational procedure like that the vehicle is safely parked before opening the door and exiting the driver seat ?
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Rollaway protection. Its a feature advertised with the car, ofcourse will need to test it to see how it works since different cars with same function, acts differently






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QUOTE(Hattori @ May 26 2025, 09:31 PM)
A car that takes control away from the driver is a major risk, and not a safety feature.

Imagine you are halfway overtaking on a 2-way lane but the car decides to reduce your throttle speed because it thinks you are driving "too fast" or "too recklessly" due to "lane departure" sensor ?
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Active cruise control is probably as much tech i want in my car.
Lane keep assist is just annoying.
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QUOTE(dickybird @ May 26 2025, 11:51 PM)
Not what EV fanboys think
They praise the day they get full self driving.
They say you are the OKU being unable to adapt to modern driving tech.
It is not the car that is the problem but you the driver is the problem.
Smh
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Here is the funny part, these are YouTube videos online showing Chinese drivers doing all things inside their EV except driving like it was some kind of fad la but dunno why the CCP government has ban such antics now. First the promote self driving etc now ban self driving. Apa CCCP mau ?
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QUOTE(dickybird @ May 26 2025, 11:54 PM)
Active cruise control is probably as much tech i want in my car.
Lane keep assist is just annoying.
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Lane keep assist annoying ? Which car bro ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 10:54 PM)
Here is the funny part, these are YouTube videos online showing Chinese drivers doing all things inside their EV except driving like it was some kind of fad la but dunno why the CCP government has ban such antics now. First the promote self driving etc now ban self driving. Apa CCCP mau ?
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NO Ban. Hangzhou still full of Self driving DIDI Lexus. Govt only want those car manufacturer update the self driving system. Make it more safety. Both hand & eye cannot away from steering and dashboard. Driver must stay alert and full focus monitoring it.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 11:54 PM)
Here is the funny part, these are YouTube videos online showing Chinese drivers doing all things inside their EV except driving like it was some kind of fad la but dunno why the CCP government has ban such antics now. First the promote self driving etc now ban self driving. Apa CCCP mau ?
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Evolving technology. Some drivers can provide Beta test results, while others, just keep bashing only. I can pull a number out of my arse saying 20% of driver do not know how smart their cars are and how dumb it is ... but I digress.


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QUOTE(RegentCid @ May 27 2025, 12:03 AM)
NO Ban. Hangzhou still full of Self driving DIDI Lexus. Govt only want those car manufacturer update the self driving system. Make it more safety. Both hand & eye cannot away from steering and dashboard. Driver must full focus monitoring it.
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No fun la like that. Got videos of Chinese driver sleeping at the wheel with their legs up on the dashboard summore and more crazy antics. Sometimes I wonder what is going through their minds. The best one is the Sales Advisor reassuring the buyer that the car will automatically come to a stop but it didn't and crashed into the another car. Well their balls are definitely bigger than mine.
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Lane keep assist annoying ? Which car bro ?
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Ironically, BYD. Worse lane keep I've ever driven. Best one I've had was Ford's, but would never recommend anyone to buy that car. Ford's LKA and radar cruise is the best tho, very non intrusive. X70 and BYD Atto3 will slam brake suddenly when there is mild upward slope.
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Lane keep assist annoying ? Which car bro ?
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Those low end beep beep products from P2.
Not yet reach the level of Volvo top tier, vibrating steering wheel and car self steers to stay in lane. Now that would be scary.
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Those bought cant do much.

For the rest, dont tail gate BYDs and Cherry.
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faulty sensor at the door also brake? LOL
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i hate the trend of adding unnecessary sensor to a car.
1 of my friend, very early adopter of tesla, b4 official Tesla launch in m'sia.
he got unlucky of buying a tesla with faulty door sensor.
the car refuses to drive bcoz detect 1 of the door not closed when it's already closed properly.
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If you have the time, calculate 60Kwh to explosion in joule then find what kind of explosive that matches that energy release. Then realize, that you do not want that kind of energy between your crotch. No i'm serious. Searches like this flags you as terrorist.

Then you will probably think "haiyaa... can one la...".

Then after 1 day of sleep, you realize, thats why they put so many safe guards into an EV. Have you ever thought that they armored the battery is not for puncture but rather energy containment? No?  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(dickybird @ May 27 2025, 01:00 AM)
Those low end beep beep products from P2.
Not yet reach the level of Volvo top tier, vibrating steering wheel and car self steers to stay in lane. Now that would be scary.
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A very good LKA is a one that would keep a vehicle moving dead center along the road without bouncing of the left and right markers on the road like ping pong, otherwise other road users behind would think that ini driver mabuk ka.
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ May 27 2025, 03:31 AM)
i hate the trend of adding unnecessary sensor to a car.
1 of my friend, very early adopter of tesla, b4 official Tesla launch in m'sia.
he got unlucky of buying a tesla with faulty door sensor.
the car refuses to drive bcoz detect 1 of the door not closed when it's already closed properly.
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Your friend's case is the vehicle refuse to power up because of a faulty sensor and that is correct. But this case, vehicle already powered up and travelling on the fast lane and suddenly the drivers door sensor becomes faulty all by its ownself ?

Many years driving ICE, never suddenly encountered a faulty door sensor while travelling. Door light ajar is on, check which door is the problematic one until the light goes off before travelling. How on earth does such a sensor fail during a journey. Furthermore that led it to drain the battery completely until every system shuts down ?

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Those bought cant do much.

For the rest, dont tail gate BYDs and Cherry.
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A lot of times kene cucuk at hway. But as usual after 10km or so high speed drive (130-140) they will slow down back and stay in left/middle lane. Also got two times happened with Tesla.

Battery/fuel depleted much I think lol. Surprisingly I always encounter omoda 5 driver suka cucuk2, never see tiaggo driver cucuk2. Hmmm
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you mean Tesla engineering woso?
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You got read the article or not first before posting?
The Tesla problem is due to FSD not functioning correctly + user issue. Quoting from your article:

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Tesla clearly states that in the event of an accident, the driver is always responsible, even if the FSD system is enabled.


BYD is totally BYD engineering failure. It doesn’t say anywhere that a user should act as a backup to the door sensor nor does make any sense to do that.

Kesian sd. Have to buy back this piece of junk metal..

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 11:09 PM)
Why are we talking about driver opening the door ? Didn't the driver said that after his vehicle loss all power, he couldnt even open the door ? So funny la, got some even insinuated that the car stoped because the driver opened the door. Yeah right I am speeding on the fast lane with my family in the car and I just want to open the door.
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BYD found out door sensor problem
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need to be careful when following a BYD car now..or even other EVs that have similar sensors...scary that the car can just auto shutdown due to sensor malfunction. I understand its probably safety reasons in case car door open while driving but this is just bad because why not have redundancy (extra sensors to be 100% sure, and not due to faulty sensor)?

Hopefully BYD learnt their lesson and make changes to their vehicles.

I also saw a review on emas7 recently where if you use voice - you can open the tailgate while driving! but that should be fixable with a software update - i just cannot brain how can the software engineers that did that voice command didnt even bother to think of safety (make sure cannot open tailgate or doors while driving using voice, etc).
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QUOTE(CyberKewl @ May 27 2025, 07:17 AM)
need to be careful when following a BYD car now..or even other EVs that have similar sensors...scary that the car can just auto shutdown due to sensor malfunction. I understand its probably safety reasons in case car door open while driving but this is just bad because why not have redundancy (extra sensors to be 100% sure, and not due to faulty sensor)?

Hopefully BYD learnt their lesson and make changes to their vehicles.

I also saw a review on emas7 recently where if you use voice - you can open the tailgate while driving! but that should be fixable with a software update - i just cannot brain how can the software engineers that did that voice command didnt even bother to think of safety (make sure cannot open tailgate or doors while driving using voice, etc).
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I thought it's an feature like the sun roof for maximum ventilation. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The only lesson that I have learnt is keep my distance from such vehicles on the road.

How on earth such flaw wasn't detected with all the testings that's done before launch ? Macam tiada testing shit aje.

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BYD found out door sensor problem
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Now let's take it further, what exactly is wrong with the door sensor ? Mechanical or electrical fault ?

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The instrumented protective system logic design by bharat it engineer izit?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 27 2025, 07:59 AM)
Now let's take it further, what exactly is wrong with the door sensor ? Mechanical or electrical fault ?
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That one BYD need to send somewhere to analyse.
Sure end up send to the sensor supplier.
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in china a merc got stuck on high speed cruise control cannot disengage
end up opening door and it finally stopped.
i believe this is what happened to the byd. faulty door ajar sensor.
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QUOTE(Moderna @ May 27 2025, 07:03 AM)
You got read the article or not first before posting?
The Tesla problem is due to FSD not functioning correctly + user issue. Quoting from your article:
BYD is totally BYD engineering failure. It doesn’t say anywhere that a user should act as a backup to the door sensor nor does make any sense to do that.

Kesian sd. Have to buy back this piece of junk metal..
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Perodua also has door sensor but what it does is it gives a buzzer alert and icon on the dashboard. It doesn't turn off the engine. Ini CCP punya logic tak boleh pakai.
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First battery issue, then sensor
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modern cars become too smart now to help 'incompetent drivers'.
do you really need door sensor to stop your car? just beep enough la.
do you really need 360cam and autopark when you just drive sedan?
just cheap gimmicks created complexity and more points of failure.
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QUOTE(azbro @ May 27 2025, 08:21 AM)
That one BYD need to send somewhere to analyse.
Sure end up send to the sensor supplier.
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Hopefully they result will be publish by then, because I am interested to know whether it's a mechanical or electrical fault.

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Maybe they originally 'reverse engineer' some other product and copy it without ever really understand the big picture of the whole system. whistling.gif

Let see how this 'drama' ends. Corporate win or consumer win. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(saiga @ May 27 2025, 06:45 AM)
A lot of times kene cucuk at hway. But as usual after 10km or so high speed drive (130-140) they will slow down back and stay in left/middle lane. Also got two times happened with Tesla.

Battery/fuel depleted much I think lol. Surprisingly I always encounter omoda 5 driver suka cucuk2, never see tiaggo driver cucuk2. Hmmm
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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ May 27 2025, 03:31 AM)
i hate the trend of adding unnecessary sensor to a car.
1 of my friend, very early adopter of tesla, b4 official Tesla launch in m'sia.
he got unlucky of buying a tesla with faulty door sensor.
the car refuses to drive bcoz detect 1 of the door not closed when it's already closed properly.
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ya, the more sensor, the more problem :X
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Now let's take it further, what exactly is wrong with the door sensor ? Mechanical or electrical fault ?
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During the drive, the sensor suddenly stopped sending signals to the ECU or BCM and the car's computers assumed an accident and went into protection mode.

It is the same as Boeing 737 Max 8 and the AOA sensors. When the sensor fails, the MCAS system took over from the pilots and crash the plane.
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QUOTE(anakkk @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM)
faulty sensor at the door also brake? LOL
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thats why I try to avoid car with auto brake or auto lane change assist, etc...

even e parking brake also tak suka....
was eyeing tipuR but so expensive and park brake so at the end tak jadi also
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QUOTE(Moderna @ May 27 2025, 07:03 AM)
You got read the article or not first before posting?
The Tesla problem is due to FSD not functioning correctly + user issue. Quoting from your article:
BYD is totally BYD engineering failure. It doesn’t say anywhere that a user should act as a backup to the door sensor nor does make any sense to do that.

Kesian sd. Have to buy back this piece of junk metal..
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means Tesla FSD algorithm is still not matured and unreliable. need rat to test it out. in this Tesla case more dangerous.

for BYD case, yes the sensor problem, at least stops safely under 7 seconds. only other drivers need to be beware of these cars.
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Sudden stop without warning like this BYD Bring You Death.


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QUOTE(acbc @ May 27 2025, 09:17 AM)
During the drive, the sensor suddenly stopped sending signals to the ECU or BCM and the car's computers assumed an accident and went into protection mode.

It is the same as Boeing 737 Max 8 and the AOA sensors. When the sensor fails, the MCAS system took over from the pilots and crash the plane.
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Aiyoyo pilots must always be able to override any system just like driver must be able to take control of the vehicle in case of an emergency. If a vehicle is designed to make its own decisions without any input from the driver, then such vehicle should not be on the road.

It's plain stupid for such a sensor that was working before to fail suddenly and bring the vehicle to an immediate stop. The sale of such vehicle should be stop immediately and a thorough investigation conducted.



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I believe the main issue is not about the buy back, but how many cars are still there on the road with faulty sensor. So it’s gonna be a recall? Or there is no way to detect it?

Human lives can gone anytime with this kind of sudden braking at high speed.
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The main issue is the car programming how the car react and action when it receives the signal from the sensor. Faulty or not.

In this case, the programming is bad and not mature. The car wasn't fully tested in all situations.

All this Atto car need to be recalled to change the firmware. Otherwise, all this Atto is like time bomb on the road.

The buy back is because the owner has no confidence in the car. And this experience is a phobia for him. I guess he will sell if not buy back.
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QUOTE(Virlution @ May 27 2025, 09:20 AM)
thats why I try to avoid car with auto brake or auto lane change assist, etc...

even e parking brake also tak suka....
was eyeing tipuR but so expensive and park brake so at the end tak jadi also
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Sensors have been in cars since 10 years ago. Any ICE with an ECU is sure to have sensors. Just that nowadays cars have more sensors for everything.

Once i had a Proton just lose engine power on the road. Engine management just appear on dashboard and even lost power steering. Lucky was not driving fast and not many cars on the road....
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good for him because can buy another atto3 at discount right?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 27 2025, 09:29 AM)
Aiyoyo pilots must always be able to override any system just like driver must be able to take control of the vehicle in case of an emergency. If a vehicle is designed to make its own decisions without any input from the driver, then such vehicle should not be on the road.

It's plain stupid for such a sensor that was working before to fail suddenly and bring the vehicle to an immediate stop. The sale of such vehicle should be stop immediately and a thorough investigation conducted.
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Got but they have 10 seconds to do it previously. When the plane already nose diving, 10 seconds simply ain't enough to disable the system.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 10:49 PM)
Provided you can see them. When such EV blacks out on a dark highway how ? Just saw a video, the carcam travelling on center lane and suddenly it passed a silhouette of a stranded vehicle on the fast lane sudah kena accident without any lights at all. If the carcam on the fast lane, mana tak langgar.

Imagine a stranded EV without any power on the highway and an iCE smashes into it, which weighs more than the iCE. Mampus.
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QUOTE(lkyoong @ May 27 2025, 10:01 AM)
Sensors have been in cars since 10 years ago. Any ICE with an ECU is sure to have sensors. Just that nowadays cars have more sensors for everything.

Once i had a Proton just lose engine power on the road. Engine management just appear on dashboard and even lost power steering. Lucky was not driving fast and not many cars on the road....
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Previous sensors mostly for monitoring but passive.

Now more and more active sensors monitoring the car without the driver's decision making. It's like Skynet taking over your car and stopping as it pleases. Human drivers not allowed to do anything. One day, these cars may reverse the aircon motor polarity and suck all the air out from the cabin.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 27 2025, 09:29 AM)
Aiyoyo pilots must always be able to override any system just like driver must be able to take control of the vehicle in case of an emergency. If a vehicle is designed to make its own decisions without any input from the driver, then such vehicle should not be on the road.

It's plain stupid for such a sensor that was working before to fail suddenly and bring the vehicle to an immediate stop. The sale of such vehicle should be stop immediately and a thorough investigation conducted.
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 27 2025, 09:44 AM)
The main issue is the car programming how the car react and action when it receives the signal from the sensor. Faulty or not.

In this case, the programming is bad and not mature. The car wasn't fully tested in all situations.

All this Atto car need to be recalled to change the firmware. Otherwise, all this Atto is like time bomb on the road.

The buy back is because the owner has no confidence in the car. And this experience is a phobia for him. I guess he will sell if not buy back.
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Humans are not perfect.

So, even the machines they created are not perfect.

Can't imagine if AI begining self aware next time. Due to an imperfect programming, all decision made won't be perfect either.
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Moral of the story for Sime Darby , take incidents like this seriously and not try to push the blame to driver in an attempt of trying to escape responsibility.
You can tell they were trying so hard to run away from responsibilities, when they expect the customer to pay for the battery so that they can fix the car.. doh.gif

To /k that is trying so hard to plotek .. don't simply try to blame the driver without understanding what is going on.
Especially those that claim that they manage a large fleet of cars but actually have very little understanding on the electrical system.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 27 2025, 07:57 AM)
I thought it's an feature like the sun roof for maximum ventilation. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The only lesson that I have learnt is keep my distance from such vehicles on the road.

How on earth such flaw wasn't detected with all the testings that's done before launch ? Macam tiada testing shit aje.
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i suspect rush to market as usual plus software stuff that can OTA they are more confident or likely to rush since can update later. But what if something happens before the OTA update happens? that's the problem with these manufacturers...
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i suspect rush to market as usual plus software stuff that can OTA they are more confident or likely to rush since can update later. But what if something happens before the OTA update happens? that's the problem with these manufacturers...
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 26 2025, 10:21 PM)
Told you it wasn't the 12V battery. While the whole /k talk about 12V the battery, I was the one who mentioned it cannnot be the 12v battery.

Where is that guy who managed a fleet of cars and claim how he know best and wanted to put me in my place when I said it wasn't due to the 12V battery. Need to dig back the post.

Common sense will tell you that 12V battery is expected to fail and the software algorithm will not be so stupid to allow such a simple battery malfunction to cause emergency brake.
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Don't have to reply to that idiot.

The ps is very clear its the battery
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QUOTE(skywardsword @ May 26 2025, 11:04 PM)
the car put itself in Electronic Parking Brake when I open the door, while it is in Drive.

Safety feature to prevent run a way car. Driver cannot simply just wedge a stick and jump out from driver door.
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Fyi, .......

Gemini AI Overview

Yes, a weak 12V battery can potentially cause door sensors to fail or malfunction. Sensors rely on a consistent and adequate voltage supply to operate correctly. If the battery is weak or failing, it may not provide the necessary voltage for the door sensor to function properly.

Here's why a weak battery can affect door sensors:
- Insufficient Voltage:
Sensors require a specific voltage to operate. A weak battery may not provide enough power, leading to unreliable or inaccurate readings from the sensor.
- Intermittent Operation:
Even if the battery isn't completely dead, it might fluctuate in voltage, causing the sensor to operate intermittently or incorrectly.
- System Malfunction:
A weak battery can also affect other vehicle systems, including the car's computer, which might influence the operation of the door sensors.
- Other Factors:
While a weak battery is a common cause, other factors like wiring issues, sensor failures, or problems with the vehicle's computer can also contribute to sensor problems.

If you're experiencing issues with your car's door sensors, it's always a good idea to have your battery checked and ensure it's providing the necessary voltage.

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Meanwhile, Matsudah case macam mana?
Must be the seat sensor pulak
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Voltage too low causing sensor to malfunction? Owh shit
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means Tesla FSD algorithm is still not matured and unreliable. need rat to test it out. in this Tesla case more dangerous.

for BYD case, yes the sensor problem, at least stops safely under 7 seconds. only other drivers need to be beware of these cars.
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Again. You are making baseless conclusions. Tesla clearly says that it is a beta and you should use it with caution and full attention like normal driving. The problem was due to users not following instructions.

BYD’s problem is simply because of shit engineering and software integration.
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Gemini AI Overview

Yes, a weak 12V battery can potentially cause door sensors to fail or malfunction. Sensors rely on a consistent and adequate voltage supply to operate correctly. If the battery is weak or failing, it may not provide the necessary voltage for the door sensor to function properly.

Here's why a weak battery can affect door sensors:
- Insufficient Voltage:
Sensors require a specific voltage to operate. A weak battery may not provide enough power, leading to unreliable or inaccurate readings from the sensor.
- Intermittent Operation:
Even if the battery isn't completely dead, it might fluctuate in voltage, causing the sensor to operate intermittently or incorrectly.
- System Malfunction:
A weak battery can also affect other vehicle systems, including the car's computer, which might influence the operation of the door sensors.
- Other Factors:
While a weak battery is a common cause, other factors like wiring issues, sensor failures, or problems with the vehicle's computer can also contribute to sensor problems.

If you're experiencing issues with your car's door sensors, it's always a good idea to have your battery checked and ensure it's providing the necessary voltage. 

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QUOTE(Moderna @ May 27 2025, 04:13 PM)
Again. You are making baseless conclusions. Tesla clearly says that it is a beta and you should use it with caution and full attention like normal driving. The problem was due to users not following instructions.

BYD’s problem is simply because of shit engineering and software integration.
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basically one is a lab rat and take the risk associated.

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Later it will show up as Sime Auto Selection Cars on carlist. We at Sime Auto Selection Cars select the finest pre owned cars and have very stringent selection process. Big corporations never ever lose... only the consumer loses out.
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Problem with CCP cars are more than just design btw. They refresh their models like candies. Every 1-2 years got complete facelift like its a new model introduction. This may be exiting but it will always be a supply chain nightmare. They’re definitely not going to spend making parts for the outgoing face design and we as Malaysians basically GG.

Just look at X70 and X50. In China they have face-lifted, but lifted, restructured etc. these cars like 5-6 times while Proton only did it once. Almost impossible for them to fully and timely support part supply anymore if the parts come from China.

Can’t blame them on this though. In China car is pakai buang. We haven’t reached that level of mindset yet.
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basically one is a lab rat and take the risk associated.
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Again. Same mistake. One is asking you to keep your hands on the steering even with the feature on. All models do this including BYD and Proton/Geely for your info.

The other is shit Engineering.
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QUOTE(Moderna @ May 27 2025, 04:21 PM)
Can’t blame them on this though. In China car is pakai buang. We haven’t reached that level of mindset yet.
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Voltage too low causing sensor to malfunction? Owh shit
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This is true for cars with BCM (body control module) and a weak battery will make the unit go haywire.

For my Exora, a weak battery will cause all the lights on the dash to light up and gearbox durian symbol will appear.

For my forfour, the entire dashboard will light up and traction control plus electric power steering will stop working.

Old cars not affected. At most, the interior light will become dimmer and engine difficult to start.
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QUOTE(Moderna @ May 27 2025, 04:22 PM)
Again. Same mistake. One is asking you to keep your hands on the steering even with the feature on. All models do this including BYD and Proton/Geely for your info.

The other is shit Engineering.
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your argument is one sided and protective of the west.

i have no problem calling out both.

btw, mind to say why it is shit engineering according to you?

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i suspect rush to market as usual plus software stuff that can OTA they are more confident or likely to rush since can update later. But what if something happens before the OTA update happens? that's the problem with these manufacturers...
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The door sensor assume door opened and emergency brake? No warning also?

If kena rear ended then susah oh.
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The door sensor assume door opened and emergency brake? No warning also?

If kena rear ended then susah oh.
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Gemini AI Overview

Yes, a weak 12V battery can potentially cause door sensors to fail or malfunction. Sensors rely on a consistent and adequate voltage supply to operate correctly. If the battery is weak or failing, it may not provide the necessary voltage for the door sensor to function properly.

Here's why a weak battery can affect door sensors:
- Insufficient Voltage:
Sensors require a specific voltage to operate. A weak battery may not provide enough power, leading to unreliable or inaccurate readings from the sensor.
- Intermittent Operation:
Even if the battery isn't completely dead, it might fluctuate in voltage, causing the sensor to operate intermittently or incorrectly.
- System Malfunction:
A weak battery can also affect other vehicle systems, including the car's computer, which might influence the operation of the door sensors.
- Other Factors:
While a weak battery is a common cause, other factors like wiring issues, sensor failures, or problems with the vehicle's computer can also contribute to sensor problems.

If you're experiencing issues with your car's door sensors, it's always a good idea to have your battery checked and ensure it's providing the necessary voltage. 

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Do a door sensor need to be that sophisticated? What the door sensor use for?

1) door sensor can be just a contact switch. An On/Off signal to the ECU. No electronic require inside. Keep it simple, cheap and failsafe.

2) If there require some crazy electronic stuff inside the switch, the circuit can be design to take wide range of voltage. 10-14.4v is enough to operate and tackle the low/high voltage of the battery. Battery don't drop dead till 0v.


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Do a door sensor need to be that sophisticated? What the door sensor use for?

1) door sensor can be just a contact switch. An On/Off signal to the ECU. No electronic require inside. Keep it simple, cheap and failsafe.

2) If there require some crazy electronic stuff inside the switch, the circuit can be design to take wide range of voltage. 10-14.4v is enough to operate and tackle the low/high voltage of the battery. Battery don't drop dead till 0v.
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Some like Cybertruck has ECUs inside the doors.
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 27 2025, 05:48 PM)
Do a door sensor need to be that sophisticated? What the door sensor use for?

1) door sensor can be just a contact switch. An On/Off signal to the ECU. No electronic require inside. Keep it simple, cheap and failsafe.

2) If there require some crazy electronic stuff inside the switch, the circuit can be design to take wide range of voltage. 10-14.4v is enough to operate and tackle the low/high voltage of the battery. Battery don't drop dead till 0v.
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Gemini AI Overview

In an EV car, door sensors typically rely on a 12V battery system for their operation. The low voltage cut-off (LVC) for a 12V battery is usually around 10.5V, where the battery will stop running the load. However, some LVCs are set higher, like 11V, to improve battery life and avoid deep discharge. If the voltage dips below this threshold, it's likely the door sensors, which are part of the car's 12V system, will fail to function correctly. A continuous low charge can also damage the battery through sulfation.

A 12V car battery is generally considered to be failing if its voltage drops below 12V when the engine is running. When the car is not running, a voltage below 12.4V can indicate a partially discharged battery, and below 11.8V suggests it's completely discharged or dead.



https://hackmd.io/@insightinnovator/S1EAUde51e - The Impact of Vehicle Electrification on Automotive Door Lock Detection Sensors - 17 Feb 2025
... As EVs become more popular, automakers are responding by installing more advanced door lock detection sensors. These sensors need to integrate seamlessly with the vehicle’s electronic systems, ensuring that the locking and unlocking mechanisms function efficiently.

Moreover, the increasing adoption of connected car technology means that vehicle security systems are becoming more interconnected, with sensors feeding data to central control units for real-time monitoring. As a result, the need for highly responsive, accurate, and fail-safe door lock detection systems has become more pronounced. The electrification of vehicles, therefore, drives the demand for more sophisticated sensors that offer better performance and reliability. ...

.... One example of this integration is in keyless entry and ignition systems, which are becoming more common in EVs. Door lock sensors now need to work with wireless communication systems, allowing the vehicle to automatically detect when a key fob or smartphone is nearby and unlock the doors accordingly. This seamless interaction between the lock detection system and the vehicle’s electronics is key to the overall user experience of electric vehicles. ...

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your argument is one sided and protective of the west.

i have no problem calling out both.

btw, mind to say why it is shit engineering according to you?
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I am not protecting the west. I’m saying it like it is.
When there is a problem with a west product, I don’t have an issue calling it out.

But your argument on “Tesla is the same” in this context is not valid. The article that was shared says there was an accident because the driver chose to ignore fsd warnings.


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Follow Microsoft tactics. Ship first, fix later.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 27 2025, 03:41 PM)
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Yes, a weak 12V battery can potentially cause door sensors to fail or malfunction. Sensors rely on a consistent and adequate voltage supply to operate correctly. If the battery is weak or failing, it may not provide the necessary voltage for the door sensor to function properly.

Here's why a weak battery can affect door sensors:
- Insufficient Voltage:
Sensors require a specific voltage to operate. A weak battery may not provide enough power, leading to unreliable or inaccurate readings from the sensor.
- Intermittent Operation:
Even if the battery isn't completely dead, it might fluctuate in voltage, causing the sensor to operate intermittently or incorrectly.
- System Malfunction:
A weak battery can also affect other vehicle systems, including the car's computer, which might influence the operation of the door sensors.
- Other Factors:
While a weak battery is a common cause, other factors like wiring issues, sensor failures, or problems with the vehicle's computer can also contribute to sensor problems.

If you're experiencing issues with your car's door sensors, it's always a good idea to have your battery checked and ensure it's providing the necessary voltage. 

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Nope.

Sensors if they are electronics, usually 5V and 3.3V requires to be regulated. This regulation comes from buck converters.
When the EV is powered on the onboard DC/DC takes over , and the battery acts more like a capacitor rather than a battery.

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Even if the battery isn't completely dead, it might fluctuate in voltage, causing the sensor to operate intermittently or incorrectly.


Nope . Electronic sensors are regulated.

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A weak battery can also affect other vehicle systems, including the car's computer, which might influence the operation of the door sensors.


A car computer or ECU do not use direct 12V. It goes through buck conversion or down conversion.
The regulator will work all the way down to 6-7V assuming the output is 5V.
And all this design criterias like load dump, voltage fluctuations are all already taken care off by the ECU power supply unit.


Also it is CLEARLY stated in the article , that it is not caused by the 12V battery. So why are you trying so hard to try to link it back to the 12V battery again?
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  the final diagnosis revealed a different root cause: a faulty sensor located at the driver’s door.



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Do a door sensor need to be that sophisticated? What the door sensor use for?

1) door sensor can be just a contact switch. An On/Off signal to the ECU. No electronic require inside. Keep it simple, cheap and failsafe.

2) If there require some crazy electronic stuff inside the switch, the circuit can be design to take wide range of voltage. 10-14.4v is enough to operate and tackle the low/high voltage of the battery. Battery don't drop dead till 0v.
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ECU and all are regulated.. the buck regulator or power supply are all designed to expect fluctuations in the 12V.
That's why when I read the AI generated answers , I already know it is rambling on something that they don't know about.

https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/ss/technical/b13

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Do a door sensor need to be that sophisticated? What the door sensor use for?

1) door sensor can be just a contact switch. An On/Off signal to the ECU. No electronic require inside. Keep it simple, cheap and failsafe.

2) If there require some crazy electronic stuff inside the switch, the circuit can be design to take wide range of voltage. 10-14.4v is enough to operate and tackle the low/high voltage of the battery. Battery don't drop dead till 0v.
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Door sensor maybe 'not so complex ' part of the system.

However, if it is used in conjunction with, Anti-roll away car function. The feedback loop have one more un-relenting output, which is put on the Electronic Parking brake.

Further complexity in the loop, the car also detects the blind spot of the side of the door, being opened (if driver side, it will again give verbal warning) some others have intact, experience automatic braking because the car detected some object in blind spot, meaning the rear guard rail can also play a part in this particular situation.

Therefore if the sensor is giving bad data, and the car reacted to it by applying parking brake... It is an extraordinary situation where by, either, just let the car roll, which is what usually happens, our car with M6 as the car is rolling and door is not properly closed, the car does not pop the Parking brake, but add in another seat belt sensor, when it detects you remove the belt, it will pop the Parking brake.






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How can a weak battery in a car cause TPMS failure

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1. TPMS Control Module Malfunction
The TPMS relies on a control module (ECU) to receive and interpret signals from tire sensors.

A weak car battery may cause:

Voltage drops during engine cranking.

Intermittent power supply to the TPMS module.

Faulty initialization of the TPMS system on startup.

This can result in the system failing to recognize one or more tire sensors.

2. Sensor Signal Issues
Some TPMS systems (especially indirect types) depend on stable vehicle electrical systems.

If the battery voltage is low, radio frequency (RF) signals from the tire sensors might not be processed properly, leading to:

Missed sensor readings

False TPMS warnings

3. BCM (Body Control Module) Glitches
TPMS often interacts with the BCM or other vehicle computers.

A weak battery can cause these modules to:

Glitch or reset

Lose stored configurations

Trigger diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs)

These issues can mimic or cause TPMS failures.

4. Startup Sequence Disruption
When starting the car with a weak battery, voltage may dip below the required threshold for proper ECU function.

This can interrupt the initial communication handshake between the TPMS control unit and tire sensors.

5. Battery Disconnect History
If the weak battery has recently been disconnected or replaced:

Some TPMS systems need to be reinitialized or relearned.

If this process wasn’t completed, the system may continue to display faults or fail to recognize sensor IDs.


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How can a weak battery in a car cause me to have headaches


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. Incomplete Combustion and Poor Engine Operation
A weak battery can cause poor spark plug performance or weak ignition, especially during startup.

This leads to incomplete combustion, potentially causing:

Increased carbon monoxide (CO) emissions

Rough idling and engine misfires

If there's a leak in the exhaust system or poor ventilation (e.g., idling in a closed garage), carbon monoxide could enter the cabin.
➡️ Carbon monoxide exposure is a major cause of headaches and can be life-threatening.

🌬️ 2. HVAC and Ventilation System Malfunction
Some modern cars use electrical actuators for air recirculation and ventilation.

A weak battery may cause:

Blower fan issues

Stuck air recirculation flaps

Reduced fresh air flow

This can lead to stale air, higher CO₂ buildup, or inadequate cabin ventilation, which may trigger headaches, especially on longer drives.

⚠️ 3. Electronic Glitches and Stress
A weak battery can cause unpredictable electrical behavior:

Dash warnings

Radio or infotainment malfunctions

Flickering lights

This can increase driver stress or anxiety, which is a common headache trigger.

🚗 4. Cabin Air Quality Degradation
A weak battery may reduce the performance of systems that support:

Cabin air filters

Air ionizers or purifiers (in luxury vehicles)

This can let in more pollutants or allergens, which can cause sinus headaches or migraines in sensitive individuals.

🧠 Summary
A weak battery won’t directly cause headaches, but it can indirectly contribute by:

Leading to carbon monoxide exposure

Reducing ventilation quality

Causing vehicle stress or malfunctions
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I believe it is both the seat belt and door open sensor that contributed to this Parking brake issue.


Maybe also the blind spot sensors... A whole host of sensor that just went bonkers.

Telling the car and it just shitz bricks. And quit the job


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how can a weak battery in a car cause my eyesight to be bad

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1. Poor Cabin Lighting and Instrument Visibility
A weak battery can cause:

Dim dashboard lights

Flickering displays

Inconsistent interior lighting

This can strain your eyes, especially in low-light driving conditions or at night. Straining to see instruments or road signs can cause:

Blurry vision

Eye fatigue

Temporary visual discomfort

💨 2. Faulty HVAC and Ventilation (Dry Eyes)
Battery-related issues can affect the HVAC system:

Weak fan motors

Non-functioning defogger or heater

Poor humidity control

This can lead to:

Dry eyes from low humidity or stale air

Foggy windshield making you squint or strain more

Dry or irritated eyes can temporarily reduce visual clarity and comfort.

🧠 3. Headaches and Fatigue (Perceived Eye Problems)
As mentioned earlier, a weak battery can cause:

Cabin air quality issues

Increased CO or CO₂ exposure (from poor combustion or poor ventilation)

Stress from warning lights and malfunctions

These can lead to:

Headaches

Brain fog

Fatigue

All of which can feel like poor eyesight when it’s actually more about cognitive and visual processing fatigue.

🔌 4. Flickering or Unstable Screens
Infotainment systems and HUDs may flicker or reset with low voltage.

Eye strain can come from trying to read a flickering screen or adjusting constantly to unstable lighting.

❗ If You’re Concerned About Your Eyesight
If you're noticing visual symptoms while driving, don’t ignore it — especially if accompanied by:

Dizziness

Nausea

Lightheadedness

A feeling of pressure behind the eyes

Also rule out:

Carbon monoxide exposure (very serious)

Underlying vision issues that worsen in low light or high contrast


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AI can really blame low battery on anything ... LOL


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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 27 2025, 03:41 PM)
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Fyi, .......

Gemini AI Overview

Yes, a weak 12V battery can potentially cause door sensors to fail or malfunction. Sensors rely on a consistent and adequate voltage supply to operate correctly. If the battery is weak or failing, it may not provide the necessary voltage for the door sensor to function properly.

Here's why a weak battery can affect door sensors:
- Insufficient Voltage:
Sensors require a specific voltage to operate. A weak battery may not provide enough power, leading to unreliable or inaccurate readings from the sensor.
- Intermittent Operation:
Even if the battery isn't completely dead, it might fluctuate in voltage, causing the sensor to operate intermittently or incorrectly.
- System Malfunction:
A weak battery can also affect other vehicle systems, including the car's computer, which might influence the operation of the door sensors.
- Other Factors:
While a weak battery is a common cause, other factors like wiring issues, sensor failures, or problems with the vehicle's computer can also contribute to sensor problems.

If you're experiencing issues with your car's door sensors, it's always a good idea to have your battery checked and ensure it's providing the necessary voltage. 

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QUOTE(Drian @ May 27 2025, 07:10 PM)
Nope.

Sensors if they are electronics, usually 5V and 3.3V requires to be regulated. This regulation comes from buck converters. 
When the EV is powered on the onboard DC/DC takes over , and the battery acts more like a capacitor rather than a battery.

Nope . Electronic sensors are regulated.
A car computer or ECU do not use direct 12V. It goes through buck conversion or down conversion. 
The regulator will work all the way down to 6-7V assuming the output is 5V.
And all this design criterias like load dump, voltage fluctuations are all already taken care off by the ECU power supply unit.

Also it is CLEARLY stated in the article , that it is not caused by the 12V battery.  So why are you trying so hard to try to link it back to the 12V battery again?
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Are you saying an EV car's weak or failing 12V battery will not cause it's door sensors, "starter" function, comfort functions, control units and actuators to fail.? .......

https://www.varta-automotive.com/knowledge/...the-12v-battery - Electric vehicles and the 12V battery
Let's have a look at the many different xEVs on the market and the role of the 12V battery inside all of them.

.... And technically speaking, one could still call it a starter battery for "electric cars". When the vehicle is parked, the high-voltage battery is disconnected from the electrical system for safety reasons. If the journey is to be continued, the high-voltage battery must first be started - and it is precisely this starting process that is initiated by the 12V battery.

The vehicle's 12V network supplies comfort functions, control units, sensors and actuators. ...


Remember, in the original thread about this BYD incident, the initial diagnosis by the BYD SC was 12V battery fault. Today, Sime Darby says it's door sensor fault. The two could be very related, ie ...
12V battery fault ---> door sensor fault ---> the original BYD incident.
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I am not protecting the west. I’m saying it like it is.
When there is a problem with a west product, I don’t have an issue calling it out.

But your argument on “Tesla is the same” in this context is not valid. The article that was shared says there was an accident because the driver chose to ignore fsd warnings.
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Are you saying an EV car's weak or failing 12V battery will not cause it's door sensors,  "starter" function, comfort functions, control units and actuators to fail.? .......

https://www.varta-automotive.com/knowledge/...the-12v-battery - Electric vehicles and the 12V battery
Let's have a look at the many different xEVs on the market and the role of the 12V battery inside all of them.

.... And technically speaking, one could still call it a starter battery for "electric cars". When the vehicle is parked, the high-voltage battery is disconnected from the electrical system for safety reasons. If the journey is to be continued, the high-voltage battery must first be started - and it is precisely this starting process that is initiated by the 12V battery.

The vehicle's 12V network supplies comfort functions, control units, sensors and actuators. ...


Remember, in the original thread about this BYD incident, the initial diagnosis by the BYD SC was 12V battery fault. Today, Sime Darby says it's door sensor fault. The two could be very related, ie ...
12V battery fault ---> door sensor fault ---> the original BYD incident.
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Are you saying an EV car's weak or failing 12V battery will not cause it's door sensors,  "starter" function, comfort functions, control units and actuators to fail.? ......


In a already started car ...NO
. The DC/DC converter will take over the battery when it is started.
Guess what, the ATTO3 was moving at 100km/h an hour, it has started.


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https://www.varta-automotive.com/knowledge/...the-12v-battery - Electric vehicles and the 12V battery
Let's have a look at the many different xEVs on the market and the role of the 12V battery inside all of them.

[color=green] .... And technically speaking, one could still call it a starter battery for "electric cars". When the vehicle is parked, the high-voltage battery is disconnected from the electrical system for safety reasons. If the journey is to be continued, the high-voltage battery must first be started - and it is precisely this starting process that is initiated by the 12V battery.
This is a perfect example of not understanding the article.
You are taking a parked, standby vehicle scenario where the main battery is disconnected .
When the main battery is disconnected there is no DC/DC charging to the lead acid battery. This behavior is exactly the same as in an ICE car. If it is dead the car cannot start and a warning would be given.

When it has started and moving at 100km/h like the ACTUAL SCENARIO with the BYD ATTO3 , the battery behaves like a capacitor, whatever consumed will be replenished by the onboard DC/DC converter. You're talking as though the 12V is an AA battery where it never gets recharged and once it dies in the middle of the road it dies. First things first do you understand what a dc/dc converter does? It takes the main battery and charges the 12V lead acid while it's on the go. So if the whole system is powered by the on board DC/DC converter and charging the lead acid battery, why would the battery fail while it is moving?

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Remember, in the original thread about this BYD incident, the initial diagnosis by the BYD SC was 12V battery fault. Today, Sime Darby says it's door sensor fault. The two could be very related, ie ...
12V battery fault ---> door sensor fault ---> the original BYD incident.

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"The 2 could be very related". Yes and my headache could also be related to the 12V battery fault.LOL.
Official explanation already there and you still want to try to plotek.
Are you so afraid of BYD damaged reputation?







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QUOTE(Drian @ May 27 2025, 07:13 PM)
ECU and all are regulated.. the buck regulator or power supply are all designed to expect fluctuations in the 12V.
That's why when I read the AI generated answers , I already know it is rambling on something that they don't know about.

https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/ss/technical/b13
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Yes, those AI are BS.

ECU can run at very low voltage. Microprocessor can run at 3.3v. This is aslo a safety for a car where if battery drop to lowest 10.5v, the ECU still function and execute the safety necessary for the car. Even other component not function properly.


QUOTE(skywardsword @ May 27 2025, 07:26 PM)
Door sensor maybe 'not so complex ' part of the system.

However, if it is used in conjunction with, Anti-roll away car function. The feedback loop have one more un-relenting output, which is put on the Electronic Parking brake.

Further complexity in the loop, the car also detects the blind spot of the side of the door, being opened (if driver side, it will again give verbal warning) some others have intact, experience automatic braking because the car detected some object in blind spot, meaning the rear guard rail can also play a part in this particular situation.

Therefore if the sensor is giving bad data, and the car reacted to it by applying parking brake... It is an extraordinary situation where by, either, just let the car roll, which is what usually happens, our car with M6 as the car is rolling and door is not properly closed, the car does not pop the Parking brake, but add in another seat belt sensor, when it detects you remove the belt, it will pop the Parking brake.
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I want to know, what the door sensor signal is giving to the ECU?

A simple ON/OFF (Open/close door) signal. If in this, a simple door switch is enough. Even 10mv also can run the switch. Cause it doesn’t require power.

If the door require multi signal input, than sensor is required. So what multi input signal the door need to generate. beside just open/close?

The rest what you said, is the ECU process the signal from the door input.
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 27 2025, 10:28 PM)
Yes, those AI are BS.

ECU can run at very low voltage. Microprocessor can run at 3.3v. This is aslo a safety for a car where if battery drop to lowest 10.5v, the ECU still function and execute the safety necessary for the car. Even other component not function properly.

I want to know, what the door sensor signal is giving to the ECU?

A simple ON/OFF (Open/close door) signal. If in this, a simple door switch is enough. Even 10mv also can run the switch. Cause it doesn’t require power.

If the door require multi signal input, than sensor is required. So what multi input signal the door need to generate. beside just open/close?

The rest what you said, is the ECU process the signal from the door input.
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Door open signal + Seat belt unbuckle = Activate Electronic Parking brake.

After door open, pull gear selector to Drive, even if seat belt is unbuckled, car can still be driven.

The gist is, while in Drive mode, and a door that was previously properly closed, and the belt that was previously buckled in, both being undone = activate electronic parking brake.



Oh btw, if the normal brake pedal fails, there is even yet another button press that can activate this "electronic parking brake"






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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 5 2025, 08:46 PM)
I think so.. the emas system is the same lah.

But BYD if the big battery below 20% charge, it wont charge the small 12v battery, dunno if geely program it to be the same
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 27 2025, 09:53 PM)

In a already started car ...NO
. The DC/DC converter will take over the battery when it is started.
Guess what, the ATTO3 was moving at 100km/h an hour, it has started.
This is a perfect example of not understanding the article.
You are taking a parked, standby vehicle scenario where the main battery is disconnected .
When the main battery is disconnected there is no DC/DC charging to the lead acid battery. This behavior is exactly the same as in an ICE car. If it is dead the car cannot start and a warning would be given.

When it has started and moving at 100km/h like the ACTUAL SCENARIO with the BYD ATTO3 , the battery behaves like a capacitor, whatever consumed will be replenished by the onboard DC/DC converter. You're talking as though the 12V is an AA battery where it never gets recharged and once it dies in the middle of the road it dies. First things first do you understand what a dc/dc converter does? It takes the main battery and charges the 12V lead acid while it's on the go. So if the whole system is powered by the on board DC/DC converter and charging the lead acid battery, why would the battery fail while it is moving?
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"The 2 could be very related". Yes and my headache could also be related to the 12V battery fault.LOL.
Official explanation already there and you still want to try to plotek.
Are you so afraid of BYD damaged reputation?
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Above repost fyi, ie if the 10 month old/20,000km 12V battery is weak, it can fail while the BYD Atto 3 is being driven on the highway until the BIG battery has <20% charge , even though the car had been started earlier by the weak 12V battery.
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Meanwhile, Matsudah case macam mana?
Must be the seat sensor pulak
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 27 2025, 10:35 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=111589177
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Above repost fyi, ie if the 10 month old/20,000km 12V battery is weak, it  can fail while the BYD Atto 3 is being driven on the highway until  the BIG battery has <20% charge , even though the car had been started earlier by the weak 12V battery.
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Above repost fyi, ie if the 10 month old/20,000km 12V battery is weak, it  can fail while the BYD Atto 3 is being driven on the highway until  the BIG battery has <20% charge , even though the car had been started earlier by the weak 12V battery.




Another perfect example of not understanding the scenario.

BYD will not charge the 12V battery below 20% in a PARKED, STANDBY scenario. .
In a car parked standby scenario, the main battery will "periodically" charge the 12V battery once the 12V battery crosses a certain voltage threshold.
The 12V will still drain.. slowly because it needs to keep the main computer alive.
These periodic charging will drain the Main battery until 20% ( i think should be lower than this), and then stop "topping up" the 12V battery once it goes below a certain %.

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forum...&topicid=303207
You can read about it here.


This rule DOES NOT apply to a car turned on and running on the highway.

Why would they stop charging the battery at 20% and keep air-cond on ? They let you drive at 100km/h but stop charging the battery ? LOL doh.gif
Air cond consumes like 10X-20X more power and the software choose to keep air cond alive and stop charging the 12V while moving at 100km/h?
Seriously you guys actually believe that the software will keep all the non-critical system alive but stop charging the 12V battery?
With the air cond blower , In car entertainment, lcd screen coming from 12V, how long do you think it will last? The batteries are a lot smaller then ICE cars . How long do you think it will last?

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 27 2025, 10:35 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=111589177
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Above repost fyi, ie if the 10 month old/20,000km 12V battery is weak, it  can fail while the BYD Atto 3 is being driven on the highway until  the BIG battery has <20% charge , even though the car had been started earlier by the weak 12V battery.
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That dildo still hasn't figured out that part yet. LOL

I am begining to suspect that that dildo has interest in BYD or something.

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LOL looks like the so called person managing a fleet of cars "electrical expert" got it wrong again. How embarrassing. Must really figure out where he works and what fleet of cars he manages.

Must keep this record black and white .. being wrong twice.


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QUOTE(Drian @ May 27 2025, 11:38 PM)
Another perfect example of not understanding the scenario.

BYD will not charge the 12V battery below 20% in a PARKED, STANDBY scenario.
In a car parked standby scenario, the main battery will "periodically" charge the 12V battery once the 12V battery crosses a certain voltage threshold.
The 12V will still drain.. slowly because it needs to keep the main computer alive.
These periodic charging will drain the Main battery until 20% ( i think should be lower than this), and then stop "topping up" the 12V battery once it goes below a certain %.

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forum...&topicid=303207
You can read about it here.
This rule DOES NOT apply to a car turned on and running on the highway.

Why would they stop charging the battery at 20% and keep air-cond on ? They let you drive at 100km/h but stop charging the battery ? LOL   doh.gif
Air cond consumes like 10X-20X more power and the software choose to keep air cond alive and stop charging the 12V while moving at 100km/h?
Seriously you guys actually believe that the software will keep all the non-critical system alive but stop charging the 12V battery?
With the air cond blower , In car entertainment, lcd screen coming from 12V, how long do you think it will last? The batteries are a lot smaller then ICE cars . How long do you think it will last?
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From your geekzone forum link on page 2, .......

arthurgeek:

One or two BYD Atto 3 owners have mentioned in FB posts that, if the main battery falls to a state of charge of less than 15%, the 12V battery will no longer be topped up by the main battery.

If this is true, it might pay owners to make sure the main battery is immediately charged up once it gets to a SOC of less than 15%. Can anyone confirm whether EVs stop charging the 12V battery when the SOC of the main battery drops to quite a low level.


Obraik:

A Tesla will. Once the main pack gets low (I can't remember the exact number, but it's very low) it will stop maintaining the 12v/15v battery and it will warn that if you leave the car that it might not start again if you don't charge it.


= it seems, even when being driven (= eg EV car not being charged at home), the 12V battery will not be charged by the BIG battery when the latter has <15%-20% charge.

Gemini AI Overview

Yes, the 12V battery in a BYD Atto 3 can fail while driving, though it's not necessarily the primary cause of sudden braking issues reported by some owners. A low 12V voltage can potentially cause the vehicle to stall or experience other power-related problems.

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Which Matsudah case ?
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Oh that case. I've reached out to the reporter who covered the case but the reporter couldn't give me the owner's contact number. So I asked the reporter to pass my number over to the owner instead and she said she could do that. Till today the owner have not call yet. No point contacting the ADUN at this juncture already, if he ain't going to listen to the reporter, he ain't listening to ADUN member too.

At this juncture, all he wants is just a buy back to take place but that ain't happening cause MatSudah has kept to the end of their bargain by repairing that vehicle and it's currently being used by the owner's mother. All his excuse with emotional trauma etc ain't goin to fly at the court. But it he wants to file a saman pemula, he is most welcome to do so cause I sure as hell like to see how he intends to win it.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 28 2025, 12:52 AM)
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From your geekzone forum link on page 2, .......

arthurgeek:

One or two BYD Atto 3 owners have mentioned in FB posts that, if the main battery falls to a state of charge of less than 15%, the 12V battery will no longer be topped up by the main battery. 

If this is true, it might pay owners to make sure the main battery is immediately charged up once it gets to a SOC of less than 15%. Can anyone confirm whether EVs stop charging the 12V battery when the SOC of the main battery drops to quite a low level.


Obraik:

A Tesla will. Once the main pack gets low (I can't remember the exact number, but it's very low) it will stop maintaining the 12v/15v battery and it will warn that if you leave the car that it might not start again if you don't charge it.


= it seems, even when being driven (= eg EV car not being charged at home), the 12V battery will not be charged by the BIG battery when the latter has <15%-20% charge.

Gemini  AI Overview

Yes, the 12V battery in a BYD Atto 3 can fail while driving, though it's not necessarily the primary cause of sudden braking issues reported by some owners. A low 12V voltage can potentially cause the vehicle to stall or experience other power-related problems. 

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= it seems, even when being driven (= eg EV car not being charged at home), the 12V battery will not be charged by the BIG battery when the latter has <15%-20% charge.



No, Where does it says it was being driven? What logic is if EV car not being charged at home = it is being driven. You cannot park the car , lock the car without charging the car? doh.gif

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A Tesla will. Once the main pack gets low (I can't remember the exact number, but it's very low) it will stop maintaining the 12v/15v battery and it will warn that if you leave the car that it might not start again if you don't charge it. [/color]


Yes , you leave the car parked and not charged with sentry mode on for eg you leave it for a week at 30% charge , after it reaches 15% charge it will not charge the battery while it is parking.

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One or two BYD Atto 3 owners have mentioned in FB posts that, if the main battery falls to a state of charge of less than 15%, the 12V battery will no longer be topped up by the main battery. 

If this is true, it might pay owners to make sure the main battery is immediately charged up once it gets to a SOC of less than 15%. Can anyone confirm whether EVs stop charging the 12V battery when the SOC of the main battery drops to quite a low level.
Same story here when parked.

It's funny the whole thread is about jumpstarting their 12V battery and not being able to start their car, which means they can't even start their car in the first place but you chose to believe the narrative that BYD will keep the aircond, allow you to blast the music , allow you to drive at 100km/h but not charge the 12V while on the move. doh.gif









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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 28 2025, 12:52 AM)
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From your geekzone forum link on page 2, .......

arthurgeek:

One or two BYD Atto 3 owners have mentioned in FB posts that, if the main battery falls to a state of charge of less than 15%, the 12V battery will no longer be topped up by the main battery. 

If this is true, it might pay owners to make sure the main battery is immediately charged up once it gets to a SOC of less than 15%. Can anyone confirm whether EVs stop charging the 12V battery when the SOC of the main battery drops to quite a low level.


Obraik:

A Tesla will. Once the main pack gets low (I can't remember the exact number, but it's very low) it will stop maintaining the 12v/15v battery and it will warn that if you leave the car that it might not start again if you don't charge it.


= it seems, even when being driven (= eg EV car not being charged at home), the 12V battery will not be charged by the BIG battery when the latter has <15%-20% charge.

Gemini  AI Overview

Yes, the 12V battery in a BYD Atto 3 can fail while driving, though it's not necessarily the primary cause of sudden braking issues reported by some owners. A low 12V voltage can potentially cause the vehicle to stall or experience other power-related problems. 

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No,  Where does it says it was being driven? What logic is if EV car not being charged at home = it is being driven. You cannot park the car , lock the car without charging the car?  doh.gif

Yes , you leave the car parked and not charged with sentry mode on for eg you leave it for a week at 30% charge , after it reaches 15% charge it will not charge the battery while it is parking.

Same story here when parked.

It's funny the whole thread is about jumpstarting their 12V battery and not being able to start their car, which means they can't even start their car in the first place but you chose to believe the narrative that BYD will keep the aircond, allow you to blast the music , allow you to drive at 100km/h but not charge the 12V while on the move.  doh.gif
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No. Where does it says it was being parked.?

Where does the whole thread say it is about jumpstarting the 12V battery after BYD Atto 3 cars broke down while being parked and not while being driven.?

Fyi, .......

https://evpowerhouse.com.au/blog/byd-atto-3...ems-and-issues/ - Common BYD Atto 3 Problems and Issues - 29 Dec 2023
.... Power failure issue

Some owners have experienced a terrifying situation – the car suddenly losing power with no warning. The culprit? A depleted starter battery with a critically low voltage reading. While a simple recharge solved the immediate issue, concerns remain about customer support’s handling of battery replacement options. ...

.... Owners have also noticed the 12V battery draining more quickly, particularly when the main traction battery has a low charge. While the exact cause remains under investigation, these two issues could be pointing towards a potential problem with the car’s electrical system. ...

12V battery issue

Frequent complete discharges of the 12V battery, leaving the car stranded, are a recurring problem. While trickle charging offers a temporary fix, the battery quickly drains again. Owners are seeking information about the 12V battery’s charging cycle in EVs and when it receives a top-up from the main battery. ...

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No. Where does it says it was being parked.?

Where does the whole thread say it is about jumpstarting the 12V battery after BYD Atto 3 cars broke down while being parked and not while being driven.?

Fyi, .......

https://evpowerhouse.com.au/blog/byd-atto-3...ems-and-issues/ - Common BYD Atto 3 Problems and Issues - 29 Dec 2023
.... Power failure issue

Some owners have experienced a terrifying situation – the car suddenly losing power with no warning. The culprit? A depleted starter battery with a critically low voltage reading. While a simple recharge solved the immediate issue, concerns remain about customer support’s handling of battery replacement options. ...

.... Owners have also noticed the 12V battery draining more quickly, particularly when the main traction battery has a low charge. While the exact cause remains under investigation, these two issues could be pointing towards a potential problem with the car’s electrical system. ...

12V battery issue

Frequent complete discharges of the 12V battery, leaving the car stranded, are a recurring problem. While trickle charging offers a temporary fix, the battery quickly drains again. Owners are seeking information about the 12V battery’s charging cycle in EVs and when it receives a top-up from the main battery. ...

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No. Where does it says it was being parked.?


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[i]I’m one of the small but significant number of Atto 3 owners who’s had a 12V battery failure out of the blue.  I was able to get going immediately with a lithium jump starter and my dealer swapped the battery out that day, so no major issue, but it has generated considerable noise and speculation on the Atto FB pages both here and Australia, and other EVs have a similar problem so it’s not isolated to BYD.


After investing in a battery monitor I think we have four key root causes working together:


The 12V battery in an EV is small (low Ah rating) as it doesn’t need to deliver cranking amps to a starter motor.  Anything to save weight in an EV is a good thing, but it means there’s not a lot of reserve capacity
There is a constant current draw even when the car is turned off just to keep the comms and sensors running.  In particular I’ve noticed there is a heavier than normal draw when the charging cable is plugged in waiting for a scheduled charging session to start.  There seems to be significant interaction between the car’s BMS and the EVSE over this period
While in transit from China some batteries have degraded.  Yet some unfortunate owners still have problems after their battery has been replaced
The BMS is not aggressive enough in checking the state of the 12V battery and recharging it from the traction battery.  BYD are releasing a firmware fix for this issue in early February.  This will increase the frequency of checks and top-ups, but doesn’t mention whether the low voltage threshold (around 11.5V) will be changed.  In ICE-land a battery reading under 12V is suspect, but EVs with their lighter current draw may be able to get away with a lower voltage threshold in normal use.
BYD also claim there is a compatibility issue between the Atto and some EVSEs.  This doesn’t ring true to me, but I have little evidence either way.  In my case I have a Wallbox Pulsar which is recommended by BYD dealers, yet I still had a problem.


So my recommendation to EV owners is to keep a lithium jump starter handy.  They are much more convenient than jumper leads from another car, and they’ll start an ICE too.  Not a lot of point checking the battery as in normal use it will range from 12.6V after charging to 11.5V after a period of inactivity.
Operationally, don’t keep the charging cable plugged in unused for long periods, and minimise other battery demand, eg by keeping the key fob well away from the car when parked.
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So are you saying the problem that he is having is while driving ? So you cannot understand from his text that it is happening during standby mode?

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Thanks for your interesting post and I couldn't believe what happened when James May was locked out of his Tesla because the 12V battery went flat! I guess this could no longer happen with new Teslas on sale in NZ now?

lockout = James May was outside the car and cannot get into the car. Not driving. Cannot understand this ?

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A post yesterday on FB illustrated the advantages of vehicle owners carrying their own jump starter. A BYD Atto 3 owner reported that their car got the "ev power limited" message and they couldn't change into gear. They phoned the BYD 0800 number and a person arrived to help, but he wouldn't jump start the vehicle because he said it would void the new car warranty. So a tow truck was called to tow the vehicle away.

Another owner when replying to the above, said that their car also broke down, but roadside assistance said that the battery was only measuring 12V, but it needed to be 12.4V to start the car. Their car was also "locked in P" and couldn't be moved and was also towed.

So, these posts raise a few issues about when jump starting can be used .


So are you saying you cannot understand what change into gear or locked in P means? So you conclude that they are driving at 100km/h based on this statement ? LOL

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 28 2025, 01:44 PM)
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No. Where does it says it was being parked.?

Where does the whole thread say it is about jumpstarting the 12V battery after BYD Atto 3 cars broke down while being parked and not while being driven.?

Fyi, .......

https://evpowerhouse.com.au/blog/byd-atto-3...ems-and-issues/ - Common BYD Atto 3 Problems and Issues - 29 Dec 2023
.... Power failure issue

Some owners have experienced a terrifying situation – the car suddenly losing power with no warning. The culprit? A depleted starter battery with a critically low voltage reading. While a simple recharge solved the immediate issue, concerns remain about customer support’s handling of battery replacement options. ...

.... Owners have also noticed the 12V battery draining more quickly, particularly when the main traction battery has a low charge. While the exact cause remains under investigation, these two issues could be pointing towards a potential problem with the car’s electrical system. ...

12V battery issue

Frequent complete discharges of the 12V battery, leaving the car stranded, are a recurring problem. While trickle charging offers a temporary fix, the battery quickly drains again. Owners are seeking information about the 12V battery’s charging cycle in EVs and when it receives a top-up from the main battery. ...

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QUOTE(Drian @ May 28 2025, 02:14 PM)
So are you saying the problem that he is having is while driving ? So you cannot understand  from his text that it is happening during standby mode?
lockout  = James May was outside the car and cannot get into the car. Not driving. Cannot understand this ? 
So are you saying you cannot understand what change into gear or locked in P means? So you conclude that they are driving at 100km/h based on this statement ? LOL
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AFAIK, that thread says the 12V battery in BYD Atto 3 cars could fail while parked or while being driven = breakdowns. From your geekzone forum link, .......

arthurgeek

I then found that there have been a lot of breakdowns due to 12V battery failures in the new BYD Atto 3, which arrived in NZ around August 2022. Some members of a FB group have reported that the battery management system (BMS) of the Atto 3 has not been adequately charging the 12V battery and just about every day an owner reports that their Atto has broken down due to the 12V battery failing. Apparently BYD has explained that when the vehicles were being freighted to NZ the batteries discharged to lower than expected levels and that the BMS couldn't recharge the batteries back to full capacity. The BMS is apparently being upgraded to check the 12V battery more often and charge it up for double the amount of time, and an OTA is due out soon.

So, do all EVs have problems with keeping the 12V battery fully charged, and if so, what are the main reasons why this is happening? Should EV owners invest in a battery charger and a jump-starter and check the state of charge of the 12V battery regularly?

SteveNXZ

.... The BMS is not aggressive enough in checking the state of the 12V battery and recharging it from the traction battery. BYD are releasing a firmware fix for this issue in early February. This will increase the frequency of checks and top-ups, but doesn’t mention whether the low voltage threshold (around 11.5V) will be changed. ...


Gemini AI Overview

The traction battery charges the 12V battery in electric vehicles when the 12V battery voltage drops below a certain threshold. This typically occurs when the car is not plugged in and parked for a few days, or when the 12V battery is not being adequately recharged by regenerative braking. The Hybrid/EV Powertrain control module (HPCM2) monitors the 12V battery and will initiate a "battery maintenance" mode to charge it if necessary.


Please address the points raised by my evpowerhouse link above.
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AFAIK, that thread says the 12V battery in BYD Atto 3 cars could fail while parked or while being driven = breakdowns. From your geekzone forum link, .......

arthurgeek

I then found that there have been a lot of breakdowns due to 12V battery failures in the new BYD Atto 3, which arrived in NZ around August 2022. Some members of a FB group have reported that the battery management system (BMS) of the Atto 3 has not been adequately charging the 12V battery and just about every day an owner reports that their Atto has broken down due to the 12V battery failing. Apparently BYD has explained that when the vehicles were being freighted to NZ the batteries discharged to lower than expected levels and that the BMS couldn't recharge the batteries back to full capacity. The BMS is apparently being upgraded to check the 12V battery more often and charge it up for double the amount of time, and an OTA is due out soon.

So, do all EVs have problems with keeping the 12V battery fully charged, and if so, what are the main reasons why this is happening? Should EV owners invest in a battery charger and a jump-starter and check the state of charge of the 12V battery regularly?

SteveNXZ

.... The BMS is not aggressive enough in checking the state of the 12V battery and recharging it from the traction battery.  BYD are releasing a firmware fix for this issue in early February.  This will increase the frequency of checks and top-ups, but doesn’t mention whether the low voltage threshold (around 11.5V) will be changed. ... 


Gemini AI Overview

The traction battery charges the 12V battery in electric vehicles when the 12V battery voltage drops below a certain threshold. This typically occurs when the car is not plugged in and parked for a few days, or when the 12V battery is not being adequately recharged by regenerative braking.  The Hybrid/EV Powertrain control module (HPCM2) monitors the 12V battery and will initiate a "battery maintenance" mode to charge it if necessary. 


Please address the points raised by my evpowerhouse link above.
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Please address the points raised by my evpowerhouse link above.


Please show me exactly where in the evpowerhouse link above said that low 12V battery would cause an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6 seconds.


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AFAIK, that thread says the 12V battery in BYD Atto 3 cars could fail while parked or while being driven = breakdowns. From your geekzone forum link, ......


Nope. There is nothing in the statements that you showed or highlight above that suggest that the 12V battery would cause an emergency brake from 100km/h .
Also you yourself assume breakdown = must be driving. That is your own assumption in an attempt to try to use the paragraph to support your statements.

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.... The BMS is not aggressive enough in checking the state of the 12V battery and recharging it from the traction battery.  BYD are releasing a firmware fix for this issue in early February.  This will increase the frequency of checks and top-ups, but doesn’t mention whether the low voltage threshold (around 11.5V) will be changed. ...  [/color]
Yes . The BMS is not agressive enough in checking the state of the 12V battery when the car is parked. Byd released a firmware fix to increase the frequency of checks and top-ups when the car is parked and standby. Nothing in this statement shows that 12V battery will cause an emergency brake. Why are you highlighting random statements that doesn't support what you are claiming.






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QUOTE(Drian @ May 28 2025, 06:39 PM)
Please show me exactly where in the evpowerhouse link above said that low 12V battery would cause an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6 seconds.
Nope. There is nothing in the statements that you showed or highlight above that suggest that the 12V battery would cause an emergency brake from 100km/h .
Also you yourself assume breakdown = must be driving. That is your own assumption in an attempt to try to use the paragraph to support your statements.
Yes . The BMS is not agressive enough in checking the state of the 12V battery when the car is parked. Byd released a firmware fix to increase the frequency of checks and top-ups when the car is parked and standby. Nothing in this statement shows that 12V battery will cause an emergency brake. Why are you highlighting random statements that doesn't support what you are claiming.
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 28 2025, 06:39 PM)
Please show me exactly where in the evpowerhouse link above said that low 12V battery would cause an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6 seconds.
Nope. There is nothing in the statements that you showed or highlight above that suggest that the 12V battery would cause an emergency brake from 100km/h .
Also you yourself assume breakdown = must be driving. That is your own assumption in an attempt to try to use the paragraph to support your statements.
Yes . The BMS is not agressive enough in checking the state of the 12V battery when the car is parked. Byd released a firmware fix to increase the frequency of checks and top-ups when the car is parked and standby. Nothing in this statement shows that 12V battery will cause an emergency brake. Why are you highlighting random statements that doesn't support what you are claiming.
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 28 2025, 06:39 PM)
Please show me exactly where in the evpowerhouse link above said that low 12V battery would cause an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6 seconds. 
QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 28 2025, 01:44 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://evpowerhouse.com.au/blog/byd-atto-3...ems-and-issues/ - Common BYD Atto 3 Problems and Issues - 29 Dec 2023
.... Power failure issue

Some owners have experienced a terrifying situation – the car suddenly losing power with no warning. The culprit? A depleted starter battery with a critically low voltage reading. While a simple recharge solved the immediate issue, concerns remain about customer support’s handling of battery replacement options. ...
Isn't the above article statement self-explanatory, ie a terrifying situation like an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6 sec due to low 12V battery.?

QUOTE((Drian)
Yes . The BMS is not agressive enough in checking the state of the 12V battery when the car is parked. Byd released a firmware fix to increase the frequency of checks and top-ups when the car is parked and standby. Nothing in this statement shows that 12V battery will cause an emergency brake. Why are you highlighting random statements that doesn't support what you are claiming.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 28 2025, 04:14 PM)
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SteveNXZ

.... The BMS is not aggressive enough in checking the state of the 12V battery and recharging it from the traction battery.  BYD are releasing a firmware fix for this issue in early February.  This will increase the frequency of checks and top-ups, but doesn’t mention whether the low voltage threshold (around 11.5V) will be changed. ...  

Gemini AI Overview

The traction battery charges the 12V battery in electric vehicles when the 12V battery voltage drops below a certain threshold. This typically occurs when the car is not plugged in and parked for a few days, or when the 12V battery is not being adequately recharged by regenerative braking.  The Hybrid/EV Powertrain control module (HPCM2) monitors the 12V battery and will initiate a "battery maintenance" mode to charge it if necessary. 


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AFAIK, the traction battery recharges the 12V battery periodically whenever the BMS detects the latter has low voltage, eg <11.5V, whether the EV car is parked or is parked and being charged or is being driven, ie not only when parked. Your claim has no computer logic, ie your claim that the BMS does not periodically check the 12V battery for low voltage and recharges it when needed while being driven. .......

Gemini AI Overview

While driving an EV, the auxiliary battery directly powers the headlights, climate control system, and sensors. This battery is also known as a 12-volt battery, according to the Department of Energy (DOE). The main traction battery powers the electric motor, while the auxiliary battery handles the accessories.


More similar info saying 12V battery directly powers accessories while driving, not the traction battery, .......

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/c..._all_the_stuff/ - Is there a separate battery for all the stuff that a normal car battery uses electric for? - 8 months ago
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I've seen a few posts recently that have got me thinking - my EV has what looks like a traditional battery under the bonnet. I've assumed that this is for things like windows, lights, screens etc and that the battery pack under the vehicle is for power only.

Is this accurate or am I wildly missing the mark here? Does the battery pack supply absolutely everything?

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 28 2025, 07:40 PM)
Isn't the above article statement self-explanatory, ie a terrifying situation like an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6 sec due to low 12V battery.?

AFAIK, the traction battery recharges the 12V battery periodically whenever the BMS detects the latter has low voltage, eg <11.5V, whether the EV car is parked or is parked and being charged or is being driven, ie not only when parked. Your claim has no computer logic, ie your claim that the BMS does not periodically check the 12V battery for low voltage and recharges it when needed while being driven. .......

Gemini AI Overview

While driving an EV, the auxiliary battery directly powers the headlights, climate control system, and sensors. This battery is also known as a 12-volt battery, according to the Department of Energy (DOE). The main traction battery powers the electric motor, while the auxiliary battery handles the accessories. 


More similar info saying 12V battery directly powers accessories while driving, not the traction battery, .......

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/c..._all_the_stuff/ - Is there a separate battery for all the stuff that a normal car battery uses electric for?  - 8 months ago
lucky1pierre

I've seen a few posts recently that have got me thinking - my EV has what looks like a traditional battery under the bonnet. I've assumed that this is for things like windows, lights, screens etc and that the battery pack under the vehicle is for power only.

Is this accurate or am I wildly missing the mark here? Does the battery pack supply absolutely everything?

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Some owners have experienced a terrifying situation – the car suddenly losing power with no warning. The culprit? A depleted starter battery with a critically low voltage reading. While a simple recharge solved the immediate issue, concerns remain about customer support’s handling of battery replacement options. ...

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Isn't the above article statement self-explanatory, ie a terrifying situation like an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6 sec due to low 12V battery.?

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lurkingaround claims:- The phrase "terrifying situation" in the article means an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6s

Inaccurate The article did not say the terrifying situation is an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6s.
Can you show me exactly the full statement and sentence stating that the terrifying situation is an emergency brake from 100km/h and not create from your own stories or assumption.


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AFAIK, the traction battery recharges the 12V battery periodically whenever the BMS detects the latter has low voltage, eg <11.5V, whether the EV car is parked or is parked and being charged or is being driven, ie not only when parked. Your claim has no computer logic, ie your claim that the BMS does not periodically check the 12V battery for low voltage and recharges it when needed while being driven. .......


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lurkingaround claims:- The traction battery recharges the 12V battery "periodically" when the BMS detects low voltage for both parked and driving.

Inaccurate The BMS detection for low voltage is only for when the car is parked and standby. When the car is being driven , a constant voltage of 13.8V is being delivered to the battery which means is continuously charge. No waiting for it to be low voltage .
It is 2 different modes for 2 different scenarios. Try to think why they use periodic mode for parked and not for driving.

Here is a guy who logs his battery voltage for the past 3 days and he clearly explains what is going on. And it perfectly shows that during driving the voltage is constant 13.8V which means continuously charging.



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https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15QFWeVTzf/

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Pengalaman paling MENGERIKAN bagi kami sekeluarga apabila kereta BYD Atto 3 secara tiba-tiba brek mengejut ketika sedang memandu di lorong kanan lebuhraya!

Pada 1 May lalu, kami dalam perjalanan dari Melaka ingin pulang ke kampung di Penang dan singgah di Kajang sebentar untuk menghadiri rumah terbuka. Sewaktu di lebuhraya Cheras-Kajang, kereta dengan secara tiba-tiba brek mengejut tanpa ada sebarang amaran atau apa-apa 'indicator'. Di skrin panel kereta pula menunjukkan "Power System Failure" dan keempat-empat tayar kereta seperti di kunci. ...

Pada 4 petang mereka memberitahu kereta kami mempunyai masalah bateri 12V dan memerlukan masa beberapa hari untuk membaik pulih dan melakukan pemeriksaan. ....


Sekian dari encik husband (pengguna Byd 10 bulan).
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 28 2025, 01:44 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://evpowerhouse.com.au/blog/byd-atto-3...ems-and-issues/ - Common BYD Atto 3 Problems and Issues - 29 Dec 2023
[color=green] .... Power failure issue

Some owners have experienced a terrifying situationthe car suddenly losing power with no warning. The culprit? A depleted starter battery with a critically low voltage reading. While a simple recharge solved the immediate issue, concerns remain about customer support’s handling of battery replacement options. ...

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QUOTE(Drian @ May 29 2025, 01:37 AM)
Inaccurate The article did not say the terrifying situation is an emergency brake from 100km/h in 6s.
Can you show me exactly the full statement and sentence stating that the terrifying situation is an emergency brake from 100km/h and not create from your own stories or assumption.
Above repost of the original incident which is quite similar to that descibed as a "TERRIFYING SITUATION" in my evpowerhouse link, ie power failure with no warning due to faulty 12V battery ---> door sensor malfunction ---> computer falsely sensed doors as open while driving ---> auto activation of EPB and power shutdown.

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Inaccurate The BMS detection for low voltage is only for when the car is parked and standby. When the car is being driven , a constant voltage of 13.8V is being delivered  to the battery which means is continuously charge. No waiting for it to be low voltage .
It is 2 different modes for 2 different scenarios.  Try to think why they use periodic mode for parked and not for driving.

Here is a guy who logs his battery voltage for the past 3 days and he clearly explains what is going on. And it perfectly shows that during driving the voltage is constant 13.8V which means continuously charging. 
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AFAIK, what you have shown above is for normal operation of an EV car with a normal 12V battery, ie not for abnormal operation and/or with a weak (eg old) or failing 12V battery.
....... The 12V battery has a normal life span of only about 1 year(.?).

Eg if driving at night in the dead of winter (below 0*C) with the headlights on and heaters at full blast, the normal 12V battery's voltage would definitely drop below 11.5V due to heavy load or power draw = requires heavy recharging by the traction battery = EV car range drop by 30% to 50%. .......

And from your geekzone forum link, ie one BYD Atto 3 car breaking down per day due to failing 12V battery caused by an abnormally long ship-freight from CCP China to NZ, .......

arthurgeek

I then found that there have been a lot of breakdowns due to 12V battery failures in the new BYD Atto 3, which arrived in NZ around August 2022. Some members of a FB group have reported that the battery management system (BMS) of the Atto 3 has not been adequately charging the 12V battery and just about every day an owner reports that their Atto has broken down due to the 12V battery failing. Apparently BYD has explained that when the vehicles were being freighted to NZ the batteries discharged to lower than expected levels and that the BMS couldn't recharge the batteries back to full capacity. The BMS is apparently being upgraded to check the 12V battery more often and charge it up for double the amount of time, and an OTA is due out soon.

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 26 2025, 06:14 PM)
Kenot just OTA update kaaa

All are software driven
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sensor faulty update wat rancao .. low quality shit hardware already broken, how to fix with software update

only seisohai ev lover say very reliable no parts to go wrong , no need fix , no need service , no maintenance ,

later 1 door sensor failed bini anak all hamkachan baru happy love ev somemore..

niama ccp sapkoker ev lover still no money buy ev hari hari tokok ask other white mice buy ev but sendiri no buy

unker PowerSlide also till now still belom beli ev ka ? lol
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 29 2025, 02:10 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5521715
Above repost of the original incident which is quite similar to that descibed as a "TERRIFYING SITUATION" in my evpowerhouse link, ie power failure  with no warning due to faulty 12V battery ---> door sensor malfunction ---> computer falsely sensed doors as open while driving ---> auto activation of EPB and power shutdown.

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AFAIK, what you have shown above is for normal operation of an EV car with a normal 12V battery, ie not for abnormal operation and/or with a weak (eg old) or failing 12V battery.
....... The 12V battery has a normal life span of only about 1 year(.?).

Eg if driving at night in the dead of winter (below 0*C) with the headlights on and heaters at full blast, the normal 12V battery's voltage would definitely drop below 11.5V due to heavy load or power draw = requires heavy recharging by the traction battery = EV car range drop by 30% to 50%. .......

And from your geekzone forum link, ie one BYD Atto 3 car breaking down per day due to failing 12V battery caused by an abnormally long ship-freight from CCP China to NZ, .......

arthurgeek

I then found that there have been a lot of breakdowns due to 12V battery failures in the new BYD Atto 3, which arrived in NZ around August 2022. Some members of a FB group have reported that the battery management system (BMS) of the Atto 3 has not been adequately charging the 12V battery and just about every day an owner reports that their Atto has broken down due to the 12V battery failing. Apparently BYD has explained that when the vehicles were being freighted to NZ the batteries discharged to lower than expected levels and that the BMS couldn't recharge the batteries back to full capacity. The BMS is apparently being upgraded to check the 12V battery more often and charge it up for double the amount of time, and an OTA is due out soon.

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Above repost of the original incident which is quite similar to that descibed as a "TERRIFYING SITUATION" in my evpowerhouse link, ie power failure  with no warning due to faulty 12V battery ---> door sensor malfunction ---> computer falsely sensed doors as open while driving ---> auto activation of EPB and power shutdown.

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The terrifying situation in evpowerhouse link is similar to the powerfailure with no warning due to faulty 12V battery which caused door sensor malfunction which caused computer falsed sensed door as open.
Inaccurate . No it is not similar.
The article did not say the terrifying situation is not similar emergency brake from 100km/h in 6s.
Can you show me exactly the full statement and sentence stating that the terrifying situation is an emergency brake from 100km/h and not create from your own stories or assumption.
Can you tell me also why did you create the link door sensor malfunction is due to 12V battery.

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AFAIK, what you have shown above is for normal operation of an EV car with a normal 12V battery, ie not for abnormal operation and/or with a weak (eg old) or failing 12V battery.
....... The 12V battery has a normal life span of only about 1 year(.?).


If it was failing it would have not been able to start. And it shows that you were wrong when you made the statement below.

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lurkingaround claims:- The traction battery recharges the 12V battery "periodically" when the BMS detects low voltage for both parked and driving.


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lurkingaround says: Eg if driving at night in the dead of winter (below 0*C) with the headlights on and heaters at full blast, the normal 12V battery's voltage would definitely drop below 11.5V due to heavy load or power draw = requires heavy recharging by the traction battery = EV car range drop by 30% to 50%. .......


Irellevant statements. So? it drops the range so ? of course you're using power to heat up the cabin. Also EV uses heatpump which is powered by the main traction battery not 12V.
Even the irrelevant statements that you make is not accurate.

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And from your geekzone forum link, ie one BYD Atto 3 car breaking down per day due to failing 12V battery caused by an abnormally long ship-freight from CCP China to NZ, .......

And... what does it prove? Are you claiming because the 12V battery fail in an abnormally long ship freight from China therefore it must be the same rootcause here? Critical thinking is lacking don't you think.
You are currently randomly showing 12V failures and then say see if other people 12V can fail , this must be the exact rootcause of the BYD atto3 failure in the malaysia scenario.


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QUOTE(Drian @ May 29 2025, 02:51 PM)
Inaccurate . No it is not similar.
The article did not say the terrifying situation is not similar emergency brake from 100km/h in 6s.
Can you show me exactly the full statement and sentence stating that the terrifying situation is an emergency brake from 100km/h and not create from your own stories or assumption.
Can you tell me also why did you create the link door sensor malfunction is due to 12V battery.
If it was failing it would have not been able to start. And it shows that you were wrong when you made the statement below.
No, it's very similar lar.

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Irellevant statements. So? it drops the range so ?  of course you're using power to heat up the cabin. Also EV uses heatpump which is powered by the main traction battery not 12V.
Even the irrelevant statements that you make is not accurate.

Fyi, .......

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While driving an EV, several accessories are powered directly by the 12V battery. These include essential components like power steering, brakes, power windows, and central locking, ensuring they function even if the main traction battery fails, according to The Straits Times. Additionally, the 12V battery powers various low-power accessories like dash cams, USB chargers, and interior lighting. ...


https://www.midtronics.com/blog/factors-aff...ttery-life-evs/ - Factors that Affect 12V Battery Life in EVs - 31 May 2024
.... The HVAC fan, however, is powered by the 12-volt system. It’s a much smaller draw on the battery, but it does pull it from the 12-volt side. And whether you’re using the air conditioning or the heater, when the fan is on, it’s drawing down the 12-volt battery. Keep in mind that it’s there to be used and make you comfortable, and we’ll discuss the long-term effects later. ...

Each camera, lidar, ultrasonic sensor, and radar requires power consumption, as do braking actuators, steering actuators, and so on. The 12-volt battery is in place primarily for safety power capacity, powering these functions.

Again, each of these sensors and modules requires a very small amount of energy to operate, but cumulatively, they can begin to affect the amount of power drawn by the 12V system. ....

Driving with Low Traction Battery Charge

One of the most prevalent killers for 12V batteries in EVs is when a traction battery is regularly driven with a low charge. Some carmakers have built in a ‘safeguard’ that prevents energy from being drawn from the traction battery for 12-volt accessories like heated seats when the charge is below 20 or 30%, and the step-down converter is also turned off or regulated. ....

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And... what does it prove? Are you claiming because the 12V battery fail in an abnormally long ship freight from China therefore it must be the same rootcause here?  Critical thinking is lacking don't you think.
You are currently randomly showing 12V failures and then say see if other people 12V can fail , this must be the exact rootcause of the BYD atto3 failure in the malaysia scenario.
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It proves that the 12V battery in EV cars can fail for various abnormal reasons, resulting in car breakdowns while parked or driving, .......

https://insideevs.com/news/752720/ev-12-vol...ttery-problems/ -
The big, expensive batteries are dead reliable. It's the puny 12-volts that are causing problems. - 6 March 2025
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full speed and open door to jump out

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101 in E&E / mechatronic engineering is to never have single point of failure and should be fault-tolerant and fail safe even if it fails.

For this case it seems that the system is designed to failsafe but not fail-operational. I guess BYD is more conservative and will shutdown once the system detect a fault even if it's a minor one.

They can improve their system by making it fail gracefully. At least keep the electric power steering, brake booster and ESP working until it stops completely.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 29 2025, 03:48 PM)
No, it's very similar lar.

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It proves that the 12V battery in EV cars can fail for various abnormal reasons, resulting in car breakdowns while parked or driving, .......

https://insideevs.com/news/752720/ev-12-vol...ttery-problems/ -
The big, expensive batteries are dead reliable. It's the puny 12-volts that are causing problems. - 6 March 2025
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No, it's very similar lar.


No it's not.

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It proves that the 12V battery in EV cars can fail for various abnormal reasons, resulting in car breakdowns while parked or driving, ......
Yes but in the case of the current atto3 it is not. You can't take another incident and say this atto3 which happen in Malaysia must have the same issue.
Your gemini AI has been proven wrong many times. Why are you still using it when it is so unreliable?



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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 29 2025, 03:48 PM)
No, it's very similar lar.

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It proves that the 12V battery in EV cars can fail for various abnormal reasons, resulting in car breakdowns while parked or driving, .......

https://insideevs.com/news/752720/ev-12-vol...ttery-problems/ -
The big, expensive batteries are dead reliable. It's the puny 12-volts that are causing problems. - 6 March 2025
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 29 2025, 05:37 PM)
No it's not.

Yes but in the case of the current atto3 it is not. You can't take another incident and say this atto3 which happen in Malaysia must have the same issue.
Your gemini AI has been proven wrong many times. Why are you still using it when it is so unreliable?
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From my link above, .......

.... Yet the simpler route is not without its pitfalls. EVs from Hyundai, Kia and Genesis don't have the same power management issue as Rivians. They have a much worse physical issue. The Integrated Charging Control Unit (ICCU) that charges the 12-volt batteries in these vehicles is a key failure point. A transistor within the unit can be damaged by overvoltage, making it unable to charge the vehicle's 12-volt battery. When that happens, it's a ticking clock until you lose all 12-volt power. That will lead to a gradual loss of drive power, which the recall notice notes could potentially increase the risk of crashing. Well, multiple recall notices. ...

= a failing 12V battery in a moving EV car can result in loss of drive power, and in the case of the BYD Atto 3 in Malaysia, it resulted in a total loss of drive power (not gradual loss) and immediate braking on the highway = A TERRIFYING SITUATION, ie 12V battery fail ---> door sensors also likely fail ---> falsely sensing as door open while car is moving ---> auto activation of EPB and total power shutdown.
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From my link above, .......

.... Yet the simpler route is not without its pitfalls. EVs from Hyundai, Kia and Genesis don't have the same power management issue as Rivians. They have a much worse physical issue. The Integrated Charging Control Unit (ICCU) that charges the 12-volt batteries in these vehicles is a key failure point. A transistor within the unit can be damaged by overvoltage, making it unable to charge the vehicle's 12-volt battery. When that happens, it's a ticking clock until you lose all 12-volt power. That will lead to a gradual loss of drive power, which the recall notice notes could potentially increase the risk of crashing. Well, multiple recall notices. ...

= a failing 12V battery in a moving EV car can result in loss of drive power, and in the case of the BYD Atto 3 in Malaysia, it resulted in a total loss of drive power (not gradual loss) and immediate braking on the highway = A TERRIFYING SITUATION, ie  12V battery fail ---> door sensors also likely fail ---> falsely sensing as door open while car is moving ---> auto activation of EPB and total power shutdown.
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Again you are creating failure links by yourself

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12V battery fail.
Why would 12V battery fail when it is powered by Dc/DC converter at 13.8V. So Inaccurate.

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---> door sensors also likely fail -
Any electronic door sensor are voltage regulated. So inaccurate.

You can go round and round and repeat your same story and I will counter you the same way.

I also can create stories :-
12V battery fail ---> LCD light flikering ---> I get headache. LOL smile.gif

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QUOTE(Expressso @ May 29 2025, 04:13 PM)
101 in E&E / mechatronic engineering is to never have single point of failure and should be fault-tolerant and fail safe even if it fails.

For this case it seems that the system is designed to failsafe but not fail-operational. I guess BYD is more conservative and will shutdown once the system detect a fault even if it's a minor one.

They can improve their system by making it fail gracefully. At least keep the electric power steering, brake booster and ESP working until it stops completely.
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Sorry but that gracefully failing ain't happening and it never will either especially with a lead acid battery.

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so this faulty sensor shit is a disaster waiting to happen.. imagine these modern so called high tech cars now packed with sensors in every corner, one of the sensor go crazy u will risk losing life stopping suddenly in the middle of high speed freeway
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Their car damn heavy chance of survival is high unless is big lorry 🚛 or tanker
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Not only damn heavy but damn stable as well. Remember the collision at a roundabout in Melaka, it sent the ICE flipping over while the EV steady aje. Then another case, the EV lifted the 4x4 and spun it 90° before crashing into other ICEs. Another was when the EV not happy with motobodo and in an instant smashed into the motobodo at the side. Fuh

ICE already dunno how to drive properly, I wonder what will it be like with EV with all that instant power. LOL

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i’d stick to old school analog saga with no power steering

electronics here and there pffff, what you need a sensor to tell your blind spot too ? amateurs
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i’d stick to old school analog saga with no power steering

electronics here and there pffff, what you need a sensor to tell your blind spot too ? amateurs
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 29 2025, 06:10 PM)
Again you are creating failure links by yourself

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Why would 12V battery fail when it is powered by Dc/DC converter at 13.8V. So Inaccurate. 
Didn't your own geekzone forum link stated that there was around 1 BYD Atto 3 breakdown per day due to failed 12V battery caused by long ship-freight of the EV cars from CCP China to NZ.?

Didn't my insideevs link stated that faulty ICCU had caused failure in the 12V battery of Hyundai, Kia and Genesis EV cars which necessitated recalls.? .......

https://insideevs.com/news/752720/ev-12-vol...ttery-problems/ - The big, expensive batteries are dead reliable. It's the puny 12-volts that are causing problems. - 6 March 2025
.... Issues with 12-volt batteries are clear in Consumer Reports' reliability data, Elek said. While the firm couldn't confirm whether 12-volt problems are more common with EVs, it has data showing them as consistent trouble spots for EVs like the Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Rivian R1S and Rivian R1T. Forums for any of those brands support the issue.

Hyundai, Kia and Genesis have all had to recall EVs due to issues with the system that charges the 12-volt battery. ...


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Any electronic door sensor are voltage regulated. So inaccurate.

You can go round and round and repeat your same story and I will counter you the same way.

I also can create stories :-
12V battery fail ---> LCD light flikering ---> I get headache. LOL smile.gif
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It's a fact that the 12V battery directly powers the door sensors plus other accessories when the EV car is switched on and/or parked or being driven = if the 12V battery fails, for whatever reason, it's only logical for the door sensors plus other accessories to also fail.
....... It's the same with our mobile smartphone/tablet being directly powered by its 5V battery, eg powering the screen, speakers, microphones, fingerprint sensor, cameras and their sensors, 4G/5G or Wifi connection, GPS, accelerometer+gyroscope, etc = if the 5V battery fails, all the accessories will also fail.

You believe the TERRIFYING SITUATION in the OP (emergency braking from 100km/h in 6s) was caused by the faulty door sensor only, ie not related to a faulty or failing or weak 12V battery. You likely believe wrong.
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Didn't your own geekzone forum link stated that there was around 1 BYD Atto 3 breakdown per day due to failed 12V battery caused by long ship-freight of the EV cars from CCP China to NZ.?

Didn't my insideevs link stated that faulty ICCU had caused failure in the 12V battery of Hyundai, Kia and Genesis EV cars which necessitated recalls.? .......

https://insideevs.com/news/752720/ev-12-vol...ttery-problems/ - The big, expensive batteries are dead reliable. It's the puny 12-volts that are causing problems. - 6 March 2025
.... Issues with 12-volt batteries are clear in Consumer Reports' reliability data, Elek said. While the firm couldn't confirm whether 12-volt problems are more common with EVs, it has data showing them as consistent trouble spots for EVs like the Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Rivian R1S and Rivian R1T. Forums for any of those brands support the issue.

Hyundai, Kia and Genesis have all had to recall EVs due to issues with the system that charges the 12-volt battery.  ...


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Any electronic door sensor are voltage regulated. So inaccurate.

You can go round and round and repeat your same story and I will counter you the same way.

I also can create stories :-
12V battery fail ---> LCD light flikering ---> I get headache. LOL smile.gif
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It's a fact that the 12V battery directly powers the door sensors plus other accessories when the EV car is switched on and/or parked or being driven = if the 12V battery fails, for whatever reason, it's only logical for the door sensors plus other accessories to also fail.
....... It's the same with our mobile smartphone/tablet being directly powered by its 5V battery, eg powering the screen, speakers, microphones, fingerprint sensor, cameras and their sensors, 4G/5G or Wifi connection, GPS, accelerometer+gyroscope, etc = if the 5V battery fails, all the accessories will also fail.

You believe the TERRIFYING SITUATION in the OP (emergency braking from 100km/h in 6s) was caused by the faulty door sensor only, ie not related to a faulty or failing or weak 12V battery. You likely believe wrong.
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Didn't your own geekzone forum link stated that there was around 1 BYD Atto 3 breakdown per day due to failed 12V battery caused by long ship-freight of the EV cars from CCP China to NZ.?

Didn't my insideevs link stated that faulty ICCU had caused failure in the 12V battery of Hyundai, Kia and Genesis EV cars which necessitated recalls.? .......

https://insideevs.com/news/752720/ev-12-vol...ttery-problems/ - The big, expensive batteries are dead reliable. It's the puny 12-volts that are causing problems. - 6 March 2025
.... Issues with 12-volt batteries are clear in Consumer Reports' reliability data, Elek said. While the firm couldn't confirm whether 12-volt problems are more common with EVs, it has data showing them as consistent trouble spots for EVs like the Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Rivian R1S and Rivian R1T. Forums for any of those brands support the issue.

Hyundai, Kia and Genesis have all had to recall EVs due to issues with the system that charges the 12-volt battery.  ...


Repeating. Countered.

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It's a fact that the 12V battery directly powers the door sensors plus other accessories when the EV car is switched on and/or parked or being driven = if the 12V battery fails, for whatever reason, it's only logical for the door sensors plus other accessories to also fail.
....... It's the same with our mobile smartphone/tablet being directly powered by its 5V battery, eg powering the screen, speakers, microphones, fingerprint sensor, cameras and their sensors, 4G/5G or Wifi connection, GPS, accelerometer+gyroscope, etc = if the 5V battery fails, all the accessories will also fail.
Yes if you use your critical thinking and common sense, it is also logical that the whole LCD screen all the lights and everything will also fail. Means nothing will turn on. Suddenly only door sensor fail but all the processor , memory , radio system is working .. LOL.
But the LCD screen is still on, the processor is still working. So your logic fail again. Btw there's no 5V battery , I understand similar to the bozo Catholic guy who claims to know electrical systems, you cannot understand what voltage regulated system means.




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QUOTE(Jasonist @ May 26 2025, 05:42 PM)
so this faulty sensor shit is a disaster waiting to happen.. imagine these modern so called high tech cars now packed with sensors in every corner, one of the sensor go crazy u will risk losing life stopping suddenly in the middle of high speed freeway
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Yes imagine you eBrake when crossing the road and along comes a 12 wheeler at full speed....
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Yes imagine you eBrake when crossing the road and along comes a 12 wheeler at full speed....
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... EV drebar & sekeluarga full speed terus ke alam lain. But before the accident, while still trap inside the EV, please unplug the safety switch to the high voltage systems ya. Makasih.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 27 2025, 05:52 AM)
A very good LKA is a one that would keep a vehicle moving dead center along the road without bouncing of the left and right markers on the road like ping pong, otherwise other road users behind would think that ini driver mabuk ka.
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Our roads not billiard tables smooth
Manual lane keeping means i move around in the lane to adjust for camber and road imperfections. Unless you want to replace suspension and wheels regularly.
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Our roads not billiard tables smooth
Manual lane keeping means i move around in the lane to adjust for camber and road imperfections. Unless you want to replace suspension and wheels regularly.
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Agree but I use LKA only for highways.
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Agree but I use LKA only for highways.
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Ayam car only have CC not ACC with LKA. So I’ll try not to rear end the EV dead stopped in the middle of the highway because of a dead 12V battery.
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Ayam car only have CC not ACC with LKA. So I’ll try not to rear end the EV dead stopped in the middle of the highway because of a dead 12V battery.
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While ICE drivers like many of us will now avoid travelling behind an EV for obvious safety reasons, I wonder from hereonwards will we see an increase of heavy vehicles rear ending EV on highways onot. Interesting to see what unfolds. 6s cukup tak for a heavy vehicle to do emergency braking ? LOL

I wonder if the white backgournd of the EV plate is also luminous onot.

It's best that EV do not travel on highways when it's dark. Kang mati tengah jalan without hazard lights and cannot get out of vehicle. Terus ke alam lain.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 30 2025, 12:03 PM)
While ICE drivers like many of us will now avoid travelling behind an EV for obvious safety reasons, I wonder from hereonwards will we see an increase of heavy vehicles rear ending EV on highways onot. Interesting to see what unfolds. 6s cukup tak for a heavy vehicle to do emergency braking ? LOL

I wonder if the white backgournd of the EV plate is also luminous onot.

It's best that EV do not travel on highways when it's dark. Kang mati tengah jalan without hazard lights and cannot get out of vehicle. Terus ke alam lain.
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ev not really for long distance travelling anyways, witness the story of the tesla model s driver whose battery almost KO because he was using it to drive from KL to hometown in Batu Pahat.

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ev not really for long distance travelling anyways, witness the story of the tesla model s driver whose battery almost KO because he was using it to drive from KL to hometown in Batu Pahat.
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What happened to the Tesla Model S ?

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[quote=dickybird,May 30 2025, 02:03 PM]ev not really for long distance travelling anyways, witness the story of the tesla model s driver whose battery almost KO because he was using it to drive from KL to hometown in Batu Pahat.
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Drove from Ampang to gelang patah and jpo. 100% - 17%. Soc. Max cruising speed 130kmh avg in total 88kmh.

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[quote=nabielz,May 30 2025, 01:13 PM]
[quote=dickybird,May 30 2025, 02:03 PM]ev not really for long distance travelling anyways, witness the story of the tesla model s driver whose battery almost KO because he was using it to drive from KL to hometown in Batu Pahat.
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the guy was doing it quite regularly, his battery was gg within 2 year iirc
check back again in 18-24 months with your battery health


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What happened to the Tesla Model S ?
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whats even more hilarious the EV plotekkers plotek
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the guy was doing it quite regularly, his battery was gg within 2 year iirc
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the guy was doing it quite regularly, his battery was gg within 2 year iirc
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Nah I wouldn't count on that bro. Remember our friend new EV 10 months old je, battery kong forcing the EV into an emergency brake within 6 seconds.

EV charging system is unlike that of an ICE charging system, I suspect battery companies, if they want to sell batteries to EV, they will probably come out with additional terms & conditions for their batteries to be use in EV, simply because the ancient 12V lead acid battery is the cheapest battery but it's definitely not the correct battery to be use in an EV. That is why Tesla upgraded their batteries to a 16V battery for their EV.

While there are accounts from Boy96 saying the batteries last much longer but we have to take into account that Boy96 & geng bukan olang biase biase type, they are up to mark with their maintenance but for Tom Dick & Harry will be asking batteri besar gila bawah kereta, apa that smoll tiny battery masih boleh Kong ?

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It's a fact that the 12V battery directly powers the door sensors plus other accessories when the EV car is switched on and/or parked or being driven = if the 12V battery fails, for whatever reason, it's only logical for the door sensors plus other accessories to also fail.
....... It's the same with our mobile smartphone/tablet being directly powered by its 5V battery, eg powering the screen, speakers, microphones, fingerprint sensor, cameras and their sensors, 4G/5G or Wifi connection, GPS, accelerometer+gyroscope, etc = if the 5V battery fails, all the accessories will also fail.

You believe the TERRIFYING SITUATION in the OP (emergency braking from 100km/h in 6s) was caused by the faulty door sensor only, ie not related to a faulty or failing or weak 12V battery. You likely believe wrong.
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Repeating. Countered.

Yes if you use your critical thinking and common sense, it is also logical that the whole LCD screen all the lights and everything will also fail. Means nothing will turn on. Suddenly only door sensor fail but all the processor , memory , radio system is working .. LOL.
But the LCD screen is still on, the processor is still working. So your logic fail again. Btw there's no 5V battery , I understand similar to the bozo Catholic guy who claims to know electrical systems, you cannot understand what voltage regulated system means.
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Pengalaman paling MENGERIKAN bagi kami sekeluarga apabila kereta BYD Atto 3 secara tiba-tiba brek mengejut ketika sedang memandu di lorong kanan lebuhraya!

Pada 1 May lalu, kami dalam perjalanan dari Melaka ingin pulang ke kampung di Penang dan singgah di Kajang sebentar untuk menghadiri rumah terbuka. Sewaktu di lebuhraya Cheras-Kajang, kereta dengan secara tiba-tiba brek mengejut tanpa ada sebarang amaran atau apa-apa 'indicator'. Di skrin panel kereta pula menunjukkan "Power System Failure" dan keempat-empat tayar kereta seperti di kunci.

Beberapa kereta hampir kemalangan kerana mengelak dari merempuh kereta kami yang tiba-tiba berhenti di lorong kanan.

Saya terus menelefon pihak lebuhraya untuk meminta bantuan mengawal lalu lintas. Alhamdulillah, kurang 10 minit pihak peronda sampai dan terus meletakkan kon di lorong kanan agar kenderaan lain berwaspada dengan kereta kami. Saya juga cuba untuk 'Off dan On' kereta namun tidak berhasil kerana tiada sebarang respon. Tayar pula seperti dikunci dan kereta tidak boleh ditolak walaupun gear sudah 'N'.

Dalam 1 jam, pihak towing insurance pun datang dan menunda kereta kami ke pusat servis di BYD Glenmarie Shah Alam. Jam menunjukkan pukul 7 petang dan saya hanya boleh meninggalkan kereta tersebut di situ kerana di luar waktu operasi. Kami sekeluarga terpaksa menumpang di rumah saudara yang terletak tidak jauh dari situ.

Pada keesokan paginya, saya menelefon BYD Glenmarie untuk memberitahu masalah kereta tersebut tetapi mereka memberikan pelbagai alasan seperti, 'tidak cukup staff', 'perlu appointment', dan pelbagai lagi. Disebabkan hal ini 'emergency' kerana melibatkan nyawa, saya tetap menegaskan dan memaksa mereka untuk memeriksa kereta tersebut.

Pada 4 petang mereka memberitahu kereta kami mempunyai masalah bateri 12V dan memerlukan masa beberapa hari untuk membaik pulih dan melakukan pemeriksaan. ...

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5521715

In the case of the OP incident above, the 12V battery was weak (10 month old) or failing, not totally failed = still got LCD screen showing "Power System Failure" but all other power-drawing functions no more working.
....... Likely the TERRIFYING automatic emergency braking from 100km/h in 6s (= Power System Failure) by the computer of the BYD Atto 3 EV car was to pre-empt total 12V battery failure or total accessories failure, eg no power steering, no ABS, no emergency airbags deployment, etc..
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 30 2025, 02:33 PM)
Repeating. Countered.

Yes if you use your critical thinking and common sense, it is also logical that the whole LCD screen all the lights and everything will also fail. Means nothing will turn on. Suddenly only door sensor fail but all the processor , memory , radio system is working .. LOL.
But the LCD screen is still on, the processor is still working.  So your logic fail again. Btw there's no 5V battery , I understand similar to the bozo Catholic guy who claims to know electrical systems, you cannot understand what voltage regulated system means.
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Pengalaman paling MENGERIKAN bagi kami sekeluarga apabila kereta BYD Atto 3 secara tiba-tiba brek mengejut ketika sedang memandu di lorong kanan lebuhraya!

Pada 1 May lalu, kami dalam perjalanan dari Melaka ingin pulang ke kampung di Penang dan singgah di Kajang sebentar untuk menghadiri rumah terbuka. Sewaktu di lebuhraya Cheras-Kajang, kereta dengan secara tiba-tiba brek mengejut tanpa ada sebarang amaran atau apa-apa 'indicator'. Di skrin panel kereta pula menunjukkan "Power System Failure" dan keempat-empat tayar kereta seperti di kunci.

Beberapa kereta hampir kemalangan kerana mengelak dari merempuh kereta kami yang tiba-tiba berhenti di lorong kanan.

Saya terus menelefon pihak lebuhraya untuk meminta bantuan mengawal lalu lintas. Alhamdulillah, kurang 10 minit pihak peronda sampai dan terus meletakkan kon di lorong kanan agar kenderaan lain berwaspada dengan kereta kami. Saya juga cuba untuk 'Off dan On' kereta namun tidak berhasil kerana tiada sebarang respon. Tayar pula seperti dikunci dan kereta tidak boleh ditolak walaupun gear sudah 'N'.

Dalam 1 jam, pihak towing insurance pun datang dan menunda kereta kami ke pusat servis di BYD Glenmarie Shah Alam. Jam menunjukkan pukul 7 petang dan saya hanya boleh meninggalkan kereta tersebut di situ kerana di luar waktu operasi. Kami sekeluarga terpaksa menumpang di rumah saudara yang terletak tidak jauh dari situ.

Pada keesokan paginya, saya menelefon BYD Glenmarie untuk memberitahu masalah kereta tersebut tetapi mereka memberikan pelbagai alasan seperti, 'tidak cukup staff', 'perlu appointment', dan pelbagai lagi. Disebabkan hal ini 'emergency' kerana melibatkan nyawa, saya tetap menegaskan dan memaksa mereka untuk memeriksa kereta tersebut.

Pada 4 petang mereka memberitahu kereta kami mempunyai masalah bateri 12V dan memerlukan masa beberapa hari untuk membaik pulih dan melakukan pemeriksaan. ...

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5521715

In the case of the OP incident above, the 12V battery was weak (10 month old) or failed, not totally failed = still got LCD screen showing "Power System Failure" but all other power-drawing functions no more working.
....... Likely the TERRIFYING  automatic emergency braking from 100km/h in 6s (= Power System Failure) by the computer of the BYD Atto 3 EV car was to pre-empt total 12V battery failure or total accessories failure, eg no power steering, no ABS, no emergency airbags deployment, etc..
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Repeating the same arguments. Countered before.

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[quote=lurkingaround,May 30 2025, 02:33 PM]
Repeating. Countered.

Yes if you use your critical thinking and common sense, it is also logical that the whole LCD screen all the lights and everything will also fail. Means nothing will turn on. Suddenly only door sensor fail but all the processor , memory , radio system is working .. LOL.
But the LCD screen is still on, the processor is still working. So your logic fail again. Btw there's no 5V battery , I understand similar to the bozo Catholic guy who claims to know electrical systems, you cannot understand what voltage regulated system means.
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.... Original Text:
Pengalaman paling MENGERIKAN bagi kami sekeluarga apabila kereta BYD Atto 3 secara tiba-tiba brek mengejut ketika sedang memandu di lorong kanan lebuhraya!

Pada 1 May lalu, kami dalam perjalanan dari Melaka ingin pulang ke kampung di Penang dan singgah di Kajang sebentar untuk menghadiri rumah terbuka. Sewaktu di lebuhraya Cheras-Kajang, kereta dengan secara tiba-tiba brek mengejut tanpa ada sebarang amaran atau apa-apa 'indicator'. Di skrin panel kereta pula menunjukkan "Power System Failure" dan keempat-empat tayar kereta seperti di kunci.

Beberapa kereta hampir kemalangan kerana mengelak dari merempuh kereta kami yang tiba-tiba berhenti di lorong kanan.

Saya terus menelefon pihak lebuhraya untuk meminta bantuan mengawal lalu lintas. Alhamdulillah, kurang 10 minit pihak peronda sampai dan terus meletakkan kon di lorong kanan agar kenderaan lain berwaspada dengan kereta kami. Saya juga cuba untuk 'Off dan On' kereta namun tidak berhasil kerana tiada sebarang respon. Tayar pula seperti dikunci dan kereta tidak boleh ditolak walaupun gear sudah 'N'.

Dalam 1 jam, pihak towing insurance pun datang dan menunda kereta kami ke pusat servis di BYD Glenmarie Shah Alam. Jam menunjukkan pukul 7 petang dan saya hanya boleh meninggalkan kereta tersebut di situ kerana di luar waktu operasi. Kami sekeluarga terpaksa menumpang di rumah saudara yang terletak tidak jauh dari situ.

Pada keesokan paginya, saya menelefon BYD Glenmarie untuk memberitahu masalah kereta tersebut tetapi mereka memberikan pelbagai alasan seperti, 'tidak cukup staff', 'perlu appointment', dan pelbagai lagi. Disebabkan hal ini 'emergency' kerana melibatkan nyawa, saya tetap menegaskan dan memaksa mereka untuk memeriksa kereta tersebut.

Pada 4 petang mereka memberitahu kereta kami mempunyai masalah bateri 12V dan memerlukan masa beberapa hari untuk membaik pulih dan melakukan pemeriksaan. ...

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5521715

In the case of the OP incident above, the 12V battery was weak (10 month old) or failing, not totally failed = still got LCD screen showing "Power System Failure" but all other power-drawing functions no more working.
....... Likely the TERRIFYING automatic emergency braking from 100km/h in 6s (= Power System Failure) by the computer of the BYD Atto 3 EV car was to pre-empt total 12V battery failure or total accessories failure, eg no power steering, no ABS, no emergency airbags deployment, etc..
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Imagine what would have happened if it was raining ? Doubt the vehicles travelling at the back would be able to avoid it on time. How come the original text missing the other vehicles managed to narrowly avoid it ?

I am impressed with your patience dealing with that dildo. It's similar to another dildo now tell me where does it say unequivocally that Jesus says he is God in the Bible. It's similar like show me where unequivocally where does the report show that a failure 12V system leads to the shutting down of a system. Thank goodness I have clients who drive modern cars and since I am managing their vehicles don't have no fucking problems. The moronic dildo is fucking with you man.
Surely he has some interest in EV and you continuing to tell the truth will affect that dildo.

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Man I can't believe a Christian claiming to be an expert of electrical system managing a "fleet of cars" got himself wrong when he doesn't even know a DC/DC converter is the one powering the whole car up when it is running.
I wonder if he knows that you can remove the battery after the car is running because the alternator is the one keeping the system alive.
LOL, imagine thinking asking a group of people to change battery makes him an electrical expert... LOL.
It's like saying he cooks Maggi mee at home and therefore he's a Michelin star chef.


And then when he can't counter with facts, there comes the name calling.
Imagine a Christian after their arrogance and mistakes , can't take the ego bruise and resort to sex toy name calling.
Well it looks like even the Christian thing is a facade.

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QUOTE(Drian @ May 29 2025, 07:10 PM)
Again you are creating failure links by yourself

eg:-
Why would 12V battery fail when it is powered by Dc/DC converter at 13.8V. So Inaccurate.
Any electronic door sensor are voltage regulated. So inaccurate.

You can go round and round and repeat your same story and I will counter you the same way.

I also can create stories :-
12V battery fail ---> LCD light flikering ---> I get headache. LOL smile.gif
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BYD already sell like what? 10 thousands of cars the past 3 years in Msia?

If a simple 12v battery failure caused this, there should be at least few hundred cases like this have occured 🤔

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So, what really went wrong with this Atto 3? No press conference by Sime / BYD? Lemon unit or something more sinister?
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 31 2025, 12:50 PM)
Man I can't believe a Christian claiming to be an expert of electrical system managing a "fleet of cars" got himself wrong when he doesn't even know a DC/DC converter is the one powering the whole car up when it is running.
I wonder if he knows that you can remove the battery after the car is running because the alternator is the one keeping the system alive.
LOL, imagine thinking asking a group of people to change battery makes him an electrical expert... LOL.
It's like saying he cooks Maggi mee at home and therefore he's a Michelin star chef. 
And then when he can't counter with facts, there comes the name calling.
Imagine a Christian after their arrogance and mistakes , can't take the ego bruise and resort to sex toy name calling.
Well it looks like even the Christian thing is a facade.

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DC/DC converter kaput could be the main culprit. But it seems to occur very rarely. 12v battery kaput is so common its impossible this thing just happen once in this case.

Machem ICE car yes 12v battery kaput is so common. But alternator that constantly charge the 12v battery kaput we very rarely encoutnered it though it can still happened.

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QUOTE(azbro @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM)
Didn't know car will emergency brake if door is opened

Salahkan pintu pulak
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they do this so u will further open ur door and step out of ur car, then get bang by car from behind, purpose, asal kerete no damage means the kerete safety features toptiptop
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 31 2025, 11:50 AM)
Man I can't believe a Christian claiming to be an expert of electrical system managing a "fleet of cars" got himself wrong when he doesn't even know a DC/DC converter is the one powering the whole car up when it is running.
I wonder if he knows that you can remove the battery after the car is running because the alternator is the one keeping the system alive.

LOL, imagine thinking asking a group of people to change battery makes him an electrical expert... LOL.
It's like saying he cooks Maggi mee at home and therefore he's a Michelin star chef. 
And then when he can't counter with facts, there comes the name calling.
Imagine a Christian after their arrogance and mistakes , can't take the ego bruise and resort to sex toy name calling.
Well it looks like even the Christian thing is a facade.

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No lah. The running EV car is still running after its 12V battery is removed does not mean the accessories are also still running, eg door system and sensors, lights, etc or such EV car can still be driven on the road.
....... AFAIK, with an EV car running or switched on, the traction battery directly powers the electric (drive) motors, which motors in turn powers the climate control system, eg compressors, ... and recharges the 12V battery when needed, which 12V battery directly powers the accessories, eg door system and sensors, lights, HVAC fan, steering, braking, computer, ADAS, cockpit displays, etc.

Note that the 12V battery also powers the "starter" system, ie it is needed to "wake up" the traction battery's power system, eg a dead 12V battery in a parked EV car that has been switched off = a dead EV car that cannot be started or "woken up" = may need to be jumpstarted or the 12V battery replaced.
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Fyi, .......

https://www.bannerbatterien.com/en/Battery-...board-batteries - EVERYTHING ABOUT THE 12V BATTERY IN THE E-CAR
EXPLAINED QUICKLY AND SIMPLY

.... Another Banner tip: Take the electric or hybrid car to the workshop for service or repair, then please leave at least one side window open in the workshop. Even better: leave a door propped open so that you can get back into the electric car if necessary. Why? Depending on the repair, the 12V starter and on-board battery could be disconnected. If this happens without external voltage maintenance, the doors could remain locked, depending on the car model! In the worst case, the workshop visit will now take a little longer than planned.

This information also applies to DIY (do it yourself) service and repair work. ...


Gemini AI Overview:

Disconnecting the 12V battery while an EV is running can cause various issues, but the car won't immediately stop. The 12V battery primarily powers the car's accessories, electronics, and some auxiliary systems, not the main traction battery that powers the motors.

However, disconnecting it can lead to:
- 1. Loss of Accessory Power: Features like lights, air conditioning, and radio may not function if the 12V battery is disconnected, as they rely on it for power.
- 2. Potential System Errors: Some electronic systems, like the car's computer, may malfunction or display error messages due to the lack of power from the 12V battery.
- 3. Difficulty Re-Starting the Car: The car may not start or have difficulty restarting if the 12V battery is completely depleted.

Important Note: The EV's main traction battery still powers the motors, so the car can continue to drive, albeit potentially with reduced functionality. However, disconnecting the 12V battery while the car is running is generally not recommended, and it's best to address any issues with the 12V battery when the car is off.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 31 2025, 03:00 PM)
Boy96
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No lah. The running EV car is still running after its 12V battery is removed does not mean the accessories are also still running, eg door system and sensors, lights, etc or such EV car can still be driven on the road.
....... AFAIK, with an EV car running or switched on, the traction battery directly powers the electric (drive) motors, which motors in turn powers the climate control system, eg compressors, ... and recharges the 12V battery when needed, which 12V battery directly powers the accessories, eg door system and sensors, lights, HVAC fan, steering, braking, computer, ADAS, cockpit displays, etc.

Note that the 12V battery also powers the "starter" system, ie it is needed to "wake up" the traction battery's power system, eg a dead 12V battery in a parked EV car that has been switched off = a dead EV car that cannot be started or "woken up" = may need to be jumpstarted or the 12V battery replaced.
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Fyi, .......

https://www.bannerbatterien.com/en/Battery-...board-batteries - EVERYTHING ABOUT THE 12V BATTERY IN THE E-CAR
EXPLAINED QUICKLY AND SIMPLY

.... Another Banner tip: Take the electric or hybrid car to the workshop for service or repair, then please leave at least one side window open in the workshop. Even better: leave a door propped open so that you can get back into the electric car if necessary. Why? Depending on the repair, the 12V starter and on-board battery could be disconnected. If this happens without external voltage maintenance, the doors could remain locked, depending on the car model! In the worst case, the workshop visit will now take a little longer than planned.

This information also applies to DIY (do it yourself) service and repair work. ...


Gemini AI Overview:

Disconnecting the 12V battery while an EV is running can cause various issues, but the car won't immediately stop. The 12V battery primarily powers the car's accessories, electronics, and some auxiliary systems, not the main traction battery that powers the motors.

However, disconnecting it can lead to:
- 1. Loss of Accessory Power: Features like lights, air conditioning, and radio may not function if the 12V battery is disconnected, as they rely on it for power.
- 2. Potential System Errors: Some electronic systems, like the car's computer, may malfunction or display error messages due to the lack of power from the 12V battery.
- 3. Difficulty Re-Starting the Car: The car may not start or have difficulty restarting if the 12V battery is completely depleted.

Important Note: The EV's main traction battery still powers the motors, so the car can continue to drive, albeit potentially with reduced functionality. However, disconnecting the 12V battery while the car is running is generally not recommended, and it's best to address any issues with the 12V battery when the car is off. 

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Inaccurate. Repeating the same story and not recognizing parked and turn on scenario. Countered and explain many times before.

Also noticed I used the word alternator instead of DC/DC converter because I was referring to engine cars , they are powered by alternators not DC/DC converters.

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 31 2025, 12:14 PM)
BYD already sell like what? 10 thousands of cars the past 3 years in Msia?

If a simple 12v battery failure caused this, there should be at least few hundred cases like this have occured 🤔
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When you are selling batteries, it's in their best interest to scare consumers to change their batteries every 6 months.

Just like another guy ifourtos or something like that, works as a solar system salesman, therefore constantly promoting the use of EV.

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 31 2025, 12:17 PM)
DC/DC converter kaput could be the main culprit. But it seems to occur very rarely. 12v battery kaput is so common its impossible this thing just happen once in this case.

Machem ICE car yes 12v battery kaput is so common. But alternator that constantly charge the 12v battery kaput we very rarely encoutnered it though it can still happened.
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While running the alternator takes over. Only once you off , and the next time you try to start the car it becomes a problem.


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QUOTE(Drian @ May 31 2025, 03:57 PM)
Inaccurate. Repeating the same story and not recognizing parked and turn on scenario. Countered and explain many times before.

Also noticed I used the word alternator instead of DC/DC converter because I was referring to engine cars , they are powered by alternators not DC/DC converters.
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https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-potentia...ng-it-off-first
What are the potential consequences of disconnecting a car battery while the vehicle is running or without turning it off first?

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I designed charging systems and automotive electrical test equipment years ago. One should never disconnect a battery (assuming it is the only battery) from a running vehicle, here is why:

At a given drive speed, the magnetic field level in the field winding of an alternator or generator system is adjusted to produce a certain voltage at a certain load current. The field winding employs an iron core. That core, as well as the regulator circuitry, has response latency. It does not track the system output voltage instantly.

If the battery is being charged and the battery is suddenly disconnected, the alternator or generator output voltage will momentarily spike until the system readjusts to a lower magnetic flux level.

This spike can be anything from just a few volts to hundreds of volts, depending on pulley speed and the particular alternator system. If you are lucky and the spike is small, no harm will be done. If the system response is a little sluggish and the pulley speed is up, or the battery was taking a large charging current, the car’s electronics can be damaged.

There is also a second problem possible. If the alternator has a bad diode or other problems, the battery can sink and remove repeating voltage or polarity errors caused by the defect. The battery in effect smoothes or filters the problem down to acceptable levels. That safety is removed without a battery connected.

I understand people sometimes disconnect the battery with the engine running to either swap out a battery without resetting volatile memory in devices, or sometimes disconnect the battery to “test” if the alternator is operating (if the vehicle runs without a battery it means the alternator is doing something), but those are incredibly stupid things to do. One “can” do something stupid and get away with it 100 times, but the one time it costs a few thousand dollars for an ECU or nav system makes it not worth the risk.


The same should apply to EV cars.
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 31 2025, 04:25 PM)
When you are selling batteries, it's in their best interest to scare consumers to change their batteries every 6 months.

Just like another guy ifourtos or something like that, works as a solar system salesman, therefore constantly promoting the use of EV.
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that fella so kiamsiap one, using YES 5G but expect to get performance like fiber connection lulz

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QUOTE((max_cavalera @ May 31 2025, 12:14 PM)
BYD already sell like what? 10 thousands of cars the past 3 years in Msia?

If a simple 12v battery failure caused this, there should be at least few hundred cases like this have occured 🤔
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 31 2025, 04:25 PM)
When you are selling batteries, it's in their best interest to scare consumers to change their batteries every 6 months.

Just like another guy ifourtos or something like that, works as a solar system salesman, therefore constantly promoting the use of EV.
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In this case, ie the BYD Atto 3 suddenly auto emergency braking on the highway from 100km/h in 6s, purportedly due to a faulty door sensor and not a faulty 12V battery, is also scaring consumers from buying BYD EV cars.

If this TERRIFYING or SCARY incident had happened in CCP China, BYD would have already blamed it on the driver by issuing an LOD or lawyer letter to demand the deletion of the post/comment and a public apology from the driver.
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In this case, ie the BYD Atto 3 suddenly auto emergency braking on the highway from 100km/h in 6s, purportedly due to a faulty door sensor and not a faulty 12V battery, is also scaring consumers from buying BYD EV cars.

If this TERRIFYING or SCARY incident had happened in CCP China, BYD would have already blamed it on the driver by issuing an LOD or lawyer letter to demand the deletion of the post/comment and a public apology from the driver.
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It's not would have, they had already taken action against the Chinese individual who raised the alarm on the weakness of the 12Volt battery in the EV.

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QUOTE(haturaya @ May 31 2025, 12:15 PM)
So, what really went wrong with this Atto 3? No press conference by Sime / BYD? Lemon unit or something more sinister?
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 31 2025, 12:17 PM)
DC/DC converter kaput could be the main culprit. But it seems to occur very rarely. 12v battery kaput is so common its impossible this thing just happen once in this case.

Machem ICE car yes 12v battery kaput is so common. But alternator that constantly charge the 12v battery kaput we very rarely encoutnered it though it can still happened.
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If the DC/DC converter had failed, wouldn't that be mentioned in the press statement ? Obviously that didn't failed.

Lurkingaround had already written the condition for the 12V battery to fail and that is not impossible as well, as more EV are put on the road, the odds for that permutation to take place increases.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 31 2025, 05:20 PM)
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In this case, ie the BYD Atto 3 suddenly auto emergency braking on the highway from 100km/h in 6s, purportedly due to a faulty door sensor and not a faulty 12V battery, is also scaring consumers from buying BYD EV cars.

If this TERRIFYING or SCARY incident had happened in CCP China, BYD would have already blamed it on the driver by issuing an LOD or lawyer letter to demand the deletion of the post/comment and a public apology from the driver.
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Looks like they shot themself in the foot in trying to fix the blame on the poor door sensor. Now it can be any other fucking sensors on board which brings the EV to an abrupt stop.

Now give me free I also don't want.


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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 31 2025, 03:00 PM)
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No lah. The running EV car is still running after its 12V battery is removed does not mean the accessories are also still running, eg door system and sensors, lights, etc or such EV car can still be driven on the road.
....... AFAIK, with an EV car running or switched on, the traction battery directly powers the electric (drive) motors, which motors in turn powers the climate control system, eg compressors, ... and recharges the 12V battery when needed, which 12V battery directly powers the accessories, eg door system and sensors, lights, HVAC fan, steering, braking, computer, ADAS, cockpit displays, etc.

Note that the 12V battery also powers the "starter" system, ie it is needed to "wake up" the traction battery's power system, eg a dead 12V battery in a parked EV car that has been switched off = a dead EV car that cannot be started or "woken up" = may need to be jumpstarted or the 12V battery replaced.
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Fyi, .......

https://www.bannerbatterien.com/en/Battery-...board-batteries - EVERYTHING ABOUT THE 12V BATTERY IN THE E-CAR
EXPLAINED QUICKLY AND SIMPLY

.... Another Banner tip: Take the electric or hybrid car to the workshop for service or repair, then please leave at least one side window open in the workshop. Even better: leave a door propped open so that you can get back into the electric car if necessary. Why? Depending on the repair, the 12V starter and on-board battery could be disconnected. If this happens without external voltage maintenance, the doors could remain locked, depending on the car model! In the worst case, the workshop visit will now take a little longer than planned.

This information also applies to DIY (do it yourself) service and repair work. ...


Gemini AI Overview:

Disconnecting the 12V battery while an EV is running can cause various issues, but the car won't immediately stop. The 12V battery primarily powers the car's accessories, electronics, and some auxiliary systems, not the main traction battery that powers the motors.

However, disconnecting it can lead to:
- 1. Loss of Accessory Power: Features like lights, air conditioning, and radio may not function if the 12V battery is disconnected, as they rely on it for power.
- 2. Potential System Errors: Some electronic systems, like the car's computer, may malfunction or display error messages due to the lack of power from the 12V battery.
- 3. Difficulty Re-Starting the Car: The car may not start or have difficulty restarting if the 12V battery is completely depleted.

Important Note: The EV's main traction battery still powers the motors, so the car can continue to drive, albeit potentially with reduced functionality. However, disconnecting the 12V battery while the car is running is generally not recommended, and it's best to address any issues with the 12V battery when the car is off. 

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Wait what ? Disconnecting the 12V battery the car won't come to an abrupt stop ? Who is this Gemini ?

There was this YouTuber who started creating video online while wearing sunglasses. Guess what he did ? He started his ICE and remove his battery while the engine was running and then CLAIMED that he had driven his vehicle around without the battery !!!! Yup another dildo.

I hope my clients don't see and learn from such dildos. Ultimate sheer stupidity.

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 31 2025, 12:14 PM)
BYD already sell like what? 10 thousands of cars the past 3 years in Msia?

If a simple 12v battery failure caused this, there should be at least few hundred cases like this have occured 🤔
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Very easy to replicate the situation one. Who wants to try it with their EV, except for Tesla that uses 16V battery cause I don't have half dead 16V batteries lying around. This is going to be so much fun.

Kejap yang lurkingaround highlighted cases around the world EV owners complaining about their 12V battery, those numbers don't count ? Gugel YouTube so many videos on such issues, they don't count ?

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ May 31 2025, 05:20 PM)
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In this case, ie the BYD Atto 3 suddenly auto emergency braking on the highway from 100km/h in 6s, purportedly due to a faulty door sensor and not a faulty 12V battery, is also scaring consumers from buying BYD EV cars.

If this TERRIFYING or SCARY incident had happened in CCP China, BYD would have already blamed it on the driver by issuing an LOD or lawyer letter to demand the deletion of the post/comment and a public apology from the driver.
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So? Scare la? I don't sell BYD cars. Why are you telling me this for?

Btw your AI has been proven wrong so many times.... why do you even bother using it and try to claim what AI said as fact.



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It's funny that some Christian battery seller who claims to be an electrical expert , did not believe the onboard DC/DC converter is the one taking over the charging and powering up the whole system when it is on.

Here is one example where a dead battery and main traction battery below 20% occurred while parking.
The solution? Jumpstart the battery and once it is turned on the DC/DC converter took over and provided a constant 13.8V even when the main traction battery was below 20%.
(this proves lurkingaround and the Christian battery seller inaccurate).

The whole DC/DC system with main traction battery below 20% was able to keep the battery up and allowed the owner to drive home and charge the battery.


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QUOTE(Drian @ Jun 1 2025, 03:10 PM)
It's funny that some Christian battery seller who claims to be an electrical expert , did not believe the onboard DC/DC converter is the one taking over the charging and powering up the whole system when it is on.

Here is one example where a dead battery and main traction battery below 20% occurred while parking.
The solution? Jumpstart the battery and once it is turned on the DC/DC converter took over and provided a constant 13.8V even when the main traction battery was below 20%.
(this proves lurkingaround and the Christian battery seller inaccurate).

The whole DC/DC system with main traction battery below 20% was able to keep the battery up and allowed the owner to drive home and charge the battery.
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So, why the owner had to drive to the nearest (public EV charging station) location to DC-fast charge his BYD Atto 3 car after jumpstarting the car with a "dead" 12V battery.?

Then afterwards, why the owner could switch off and on the EV car without any issue after AC-slow charged it at home.?
= the EV car could not start because of a weak or depleted/discharged 12V battery, not bc of a "dead" 12V battery. A truly dead 12V battery cannot be recharged and the EV car can no longer be started = a dead 12V battery needs to be replaced with a new one, eg a 12V lead-acid battery that has reached it's normal life span of about 2 years.
....... Similarly for our smartphone battery if dead after about 2 years of daily usage.

Similarly for a weak/depleted or a dead 12V lead-acid battery in an automatic petrol or ICE-V car, ie the former can be jumpstarted to start the automatic ICE-V car, whereas the latter can also be jumpstarted to start the car but thereafter it can no longer start the car on its own = needs to be replaced with a new one.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 1 2025, 04:35 PM)
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So, why the owner had to drive to the nearest (public EV charging station) location to DC-fast charge his BYD Atto 3 car after jumpstarting the car with a "dead" 12V battery.?

Then afterwards, why the owner could switch off and on the EV car without any issue  after AC-slow charged it at home.?
= the EV car could not start because of a weak or depleted/discharged 12V battery, not bc of a "dead" 12V battery. A  truly dead 12V battery cannot be recharged and the EV car can no longer be started = a dead 12V battery needs to be replaced with a new one, eg a 12V lead-acid battery that has reached it's normal life span of about 2 years.
....... Similarly for our smartphone battery if dead after about 2 years of daily usage.

Similarly for a weak/depleted or a dead 12V lead-acid battery in an automatic petrol or ICE-V car, ie the former can be jumpstarted to start the automatic ICE-V car, whereas the latter can also be jumpstarted to start the car but thereafter it can no longer start the car on its own = needs to be replaced with a new one.
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The point is that statements that you made in the past were wrong. So now you making more inaccurate statements to cover up your past inaccurate statements.



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QUOTE(Drian @ Jun 1 2025, 05:14 PM)
The point is that statements that you made in the past were wrong.
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More like the statements that you made above and in the past were wrong.
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So that faulty sensor sent signal to the ecu and this caused the entire car sytem to stop and shut down and cannot be powered on again after that? I still don't buy the story given

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 1 2025, 05:17 PM)
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More like the statements that you made above and in the past  were wrong.
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Yes. From claiming that BYD atto3 does not charge the battery while driving if the main traction battery is below 20% to BYD Atto3 do not constantly charge the 12V battery while driving.
You were wrong so many many times.

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Yes. From claiming that BYD atto3 does not charge the battery while driving if the main traction battery is below 20% to BYD Atto3 do not constantly charge the 12V battery while driving.
You were wrong so many many times.
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Your above image states that the BYD Atto 3 owner's service advisor from BYD Penang told him that the 12V battery could not be recharged bc each time the HV battery is below 20%, it will not recharge the battery. That was why his EV car could not be started, ie the 12V battery "died" or was discharged/depleted or weak due to not being recharged by the HV battery that was below 20% SoC = had to be jumpstarted.
....... Are you also saying the BYD service advisor is wrong.?

Then the advisor told him to drive to the nearest location and get the car DC charged after jumpstarting the car. Why would the advisor tell him to fast-fast DC charge the car if the HV battery was recharging the 12V battery even when the HV battery was below 20%, eg at 5% to 1%.
....... Eg why the advisor did not tell the owner to drive home if it only takes <20% of SoC to do so, and AC slow charge his car at his home.?

I believe you have misinterpreted your own posted image above.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 1 2025, 06:01 PM)
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Your above image states that  the BYD Atto 3 owner's  service advisor from BYD Penang told him that the 12V battery could not be recharged bc each time the HV battery is below 20%, it will not recharge the battery. That was why his EV car could not be started, ie the 12V battery "died" or was discharged/depleted or weak due to not being recharged by the HV battery that was below 20% SoC = had to be jumpstarted.
....... Are you also saying the BYD service advisor is wrong.?

Then the advisor told him to drive to the nearest location and get the car DC charged after jumpstarting the car. Why would the advisor tell him to  fast-fast DC charge the car if the HV battery was recharging the 12V battery  even when the HV battery was below 20%, eg at 5% to 1%.
....... Eg why the advisor did not tell the owner to drive home if it only takes <20% of SoC to do so, and AC slow charge his car at his home.?

I believe you have misinterpreted your own posted image above.
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Your above image states that  the BYD Atto 3 owner's  service advisor from BYD Penang told him that the 12V battery could not be recharged bc each time the HV battery is below 20%, it will not recharge the battery. That was why his EV car could not be started, ie the 12V battery "died" or was discharged/depleted or weak due to not being recharged by the HV battery that was below 20% SoC = had to be jumpstarted.
....... Are you also saying the BYD service advisor is wrong.?


Nope. I am saying you were wrong. There's nothing I said that conflicts with the service advisor.

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Then the advisor told him to drive to the nearest location and get the car DC charged after jumpstarting the car. Why would the advisor tell him to  fast-fast DC charge the car if the HV battery was recharging the 12V battery  even when the HV battery was below 20%, eg at 5% to 1%.
....... Eg why the advisor did not tell the owner to drive home if it only takes <20% of SoC to do so, and AC slow charge his car at his home.?


Because you have to keep the car on while you slow charge to keep the DC/DC converter working.
If it was above 20% he can off and lock the car and charge.
So are you asking him to leave the car on for 2 hours while he slow charge the main traction battery?

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I believe you have misinterpreted your own posted image above.
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You believe wrongly.

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Nope. I am saying you were wrong. There's nothing I said that conflicts with the service advisor.
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Then the advisor told him to drive to the nearest location and get the car DC charged after jumpstarting the car. Why would the advisor tell him to  fast-fast DC charge the car if the HV battery was recharging the 12V battery  even when the HV battery was below 20%, eg at 5% to 1%.
....... Eg why the advisor did not tell the owner to drive home if it only takes <20% of SoC to do so, and AC slow charge his car at his home.?

Because you have to keep the car on while you slow charge to keep the DC/DC converter working.
If it was above 20% he can off and lock the car and charge.
So are you asking him to leave the car on for 2 hours while he slow charge the main traction battery?

You believe wrongly.
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No, you believe wrongly, .......
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https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/c...vs_12v_battery/ - r/electricvehicles 1 yr. ago
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ELI5: Traction battery vs. 12V battery

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As a safety measure, all EV cars disconnect the Traction Battery after no usage between 5-10 minutes of isle no powered on state. The 12v passively maintains the car's ECUs at that point.

Therefore, a 12v will only charge from the Traction Battery when the car is operational, as in driving.

lbfb

This isn’t neccacarly true of the Ioniq 5 ( and maybe all E-GMP, but not sure there). The I5 will engage the traction battery to top up the 12V as long as the former is above, I believe, 20% SoC. That’s what the orange light on the dashboard is indicating, that the high voltage system is active.

Likely issue for the OP is that the 12V batteries in some I5s just die eventually. Assuming the vehicle has had all TSBs applied I believe it should be fine once the 12V is replaced. Don’t know if it’s been stated or determined if they’re dying because of something the vehicle is doing or they’re just crap batteries.

retiredminion

Not all EVs. Teslas will keep the low voltage battery refreshed from the traction battery.

I left my 2021 model Y with the older 12v lead acid battery parked and unplugged for 3 weeks and everything was fine when I returned. So too my wife's 2023 model 3 with the 16v lithium low voltage battery. Even most newer ICE cars would have 12v battery problems after being parked for 3 weeks.

retiredminion

Apparently you missed the part that said "... most newer ICE cars ...".

The reason is due to all of the electronics that continuously draw power in newer vehicles. I'm not personally familiar with farm vehicles but I'm guessing they don't generally provide things like keyless entry, remote functions, alarm systems, etc. ....

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In general, it works like this:

The low voltage (usually 12v, but newer Teslas use 48v) battery powers the car's systems when it's not in a ready-to-drive state.

When the car is put into a ready-to-drive state, the high voltage traction battery takes over and an inverter produces the lower voltage needed for the car's systems.

The traction battery is disconnected when it's not needed. This is likely for safety reasons: why expose the car's systems to 400v/800v if it's not being used? The connection/disconnection mechanism typically lives inside the traction battery pack, whereas the inverter to low voltage usually lives outside the battery pack (to help with cooling).

It's fairly common for EVs to monitor the level of the low voltage battery, and to use the traction battery to charge the low voltage battery as needed. The 12v battery is also often charged when the car is charging from the wall.

There usually aren't many parasitic drains on the low voltage battery. The worst drains are usually caused by apps that contact the car, e.g. to get its charge status for a smart charger. This can prevent the car's systems from going into sleep mode, causing it to drain the low voltage battery a lot more than it should.

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101 in E&E / mechatronic engineering is to never have single point of failure and should be fault-tolerant and fail safe even if it fails.

For this case it seems that the system is designed to failsafe but not fail-operational. I guess BYD is more conservative and will shutdown once the system detect a fault even if it's a minor one.

They can improve their system by making it fail gracefully. At least keep the electric power steering, brake booster and ESP working until it stops completely.
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Fail and stop running = safe?

Fail and keep running without ability to stop = safe?

Fail and slowly stop = safe?

I believe in all our dreams, we prefer it to fail and still have the ability to specifically tell us, why it is failing and let us slowly glide to a gentle stop.



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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Jun 1 2025, 07:48 PM)
Because you have to keep the car on while you slow charge to keep the DC/DC converter working.  
If it was above 20% he can off and lock the car and charge.
So are you asking him to leave the car on for 2 hours while he slow charge the main traction battery? 

You believe wrongly.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/c...vs_12v_battery/ - r/electricvehicles 1 yr. ago
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ELI5: Traction battery vs. 12V battery

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As a safety measure, all EV cars disconnect the Traction Battery after no usage between 5-10 minutes of isle no powered on state. The 12v passively maintains the car's ECUs at that point.

Therefore, a 12v will only charge from the Traction Battery when the car is operational, as in driving.

lbfb

This isn’t neccacarly true of the Ioniq 5 ( and maybe all E-GMP, but not sure there). The I5 will engage the traction battery to top up the 12V as long as the former is above, I believe, 20% SoC. That’s what the orange light on the dashboard is indicating, that the high voltage system is active.

Likely issue for the OP is that the 12V batteries in some I5s just die eventually. Assuming the vehicle has had all TSBs applied I believe it should be fine once the 12V is replaced. Don’t know if it’s been stated or determined if they’re dying because of something the vehicle is doing or they’re just crap batteries.

retiredminion

Not all EVs. Teslas will keep the low voltage battery refreshed from the traction battery.

I left my 2021 model Y with the older 12v lead acid battery parked and unplugged for 3 weeks and everything was fine when I returned. So too my wife's 2023 model 3 with the 16v lithium low voltage battery. Even most newer ICE cars would have 12v battery problems after being parked for 3 weeks.

retiredminion

Apparently you missed the part that said "... most newer ICE cars ...".

The reason is due to all of the electronics that continuously draw power in newer vehicles. I'm not personally familiar with farm vehicles but I'm guessing they don't generally provide things like keyless entry, remote functions, alarm systems, etc. ....

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NZgeek

In general, it works like this:

The low voltage (usually 12v, but newer Teslas use 48v) battery powers the car's systems when it's not in a ready-to-drive state.

When the car is put into a ready-to-drive state, the high voltage traction battery takes over and an inverter produces the lower voltage needed for the car's systems.

The traction battery is disconnected when it's not needed. This is likely for safety reasons: why expose the car's systems to 400v/800v if it's not being used? The connection/disconnection mechanism typically lives inside the traction battery pack, whereas the inverter to low voltage usually lives outside the battery pack (to help with cooling).

It's fairly common for EVs to monitor the level of the low voltage battery, and to use the traction battery to charge the low voltage battery as needed. The 12v battery is also often charged when the car is charging from the wall.

There usually aren't many parasitic drains on the low voltage battery. The worst drains are usually caused by apps that contact the car, e.g. to get its charge status for a smart charger. This can prevent the car's systems from going into sleep mode, causing it to drain the low voltage battery a lot more than it should.

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yawn yawn.gif yawn.gif , Now bringing Ioniq into the picture when the topic is on Atto3?

You can try to divert all you want but , you like to jump here and there with no coherence in your argument.
Now you want to bring up a point in Ioniq 5 and Tesla as though it's going to help you in anyway.
You love to put unrelated piece of information. Tesla has its own algorithm and ioniq 5 has its own algorithm.
Bringing up how other car works , doesn't change the fact that BYD has its own algorithm and you were wrong.




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Therefore, a 12v will only charge from the Traction Battery when the car is operational, as in driving.



LOL your own long winded statement already proved your statement wrong.

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QUOTE((Drian @ Jun 1 2025, 03:10 PM)
It's funny that some Christian battery seller who claims to be an electrical expert , did not believe the onboard DC/DC converter is the one taking over the charging and powering up the whole system when it is on.

Here is one example where a dead battery and main traction battery below 20% occurred while parking.
The solution? Jumpstart the battery and once it is turned on the DC/DC converter took over and provided a constant 13.8V even when the main traction battery was below 20%.
(this proves lurkingaround and the Christian battery seller inaccurate).

The whole DC/DC system with main traction battery below 20% was able to keep the battery up and allowed the owner to drive home and charge the battery.
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QUOTE(Drian @ Jun 1 2025, 09:18 PM)
yawn  yawn.gif  yawn.gif , Now bringing Ioniq into the picture when the topic is on Atto3? 

You can try to divert all you want but , you like to jump here and there with no coherence in your argument. 
Now you want to bring up a point in Ioniq 5 and Tesla as though it's going to help you in anyway. 
You love to put unrelated piece of information.  Tesla has its own algorithm and ioniq 5 has its own algorithm.
Bringing up how other car works , doesn't change the fact that BYD has its own algorithm and you were wrong.

LOL your own long winded statement already proved your statement wrong.
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Isn't the BYD Atto 3 similar to the Hyundai Ioniq 5, in that their traction battery not recharging the 12V battery when the former is below 20% SoC.?

Why quote out-of-context until you believe wrong.?
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Therefore, a 12v will only charge from the Traction Battery when the car is operational, as in driving.
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Therefore, a 12v will only charge from the Traction Battery when the car is operational, as in driving.

lbfb replied,

This isn’t neccacarly true of the Ioniq 5 ( and maybe all E-GMP, but not sure there). The I5 will engage the traction battery to top up the 12V as long as the former is above, I believe, 20% SoC. That’s what the orange light on the dashboard is indicating, that the high voltage system is active.


Remember, in an EV car, the 12V battery directly powers the accessories plus the "starter" system(= to start the traction battery), while the traction battery mainly directly powers the electric (drive) motor and directly recharges the 12V battery when needed.
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Isn't the BYD Atto 3 similar to the Hyundai Ioniq 5, in that their traction battery not recharging the 12V battery when the former is below 20% SoC.?

Why quote out-of-context until you believe wrong.?


Remember, in an EV car, the 12V battery directly powers the accessories plus the "starter" system(= to start the traction battery), while the traction battery mainly directly powers the electric (drive) motor and directly recharges the 12V battery when needed.
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Isn't the BYD Atto 3 similar to the Hyundai Ioniq 5, in that their traction battery not recharging the 12V battery when the former is below 20% SoC.?


This is the fourth time I have explained this to you.

When turned on /driving, No.


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Remember, in an EV car, the 12V battery directly powers the accessories plus the "starter" system(= to start the traction battery), while the traction battery mainly directly powers the electric (drive) motor and directly recharges the 12V battery when needed.
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Why are you repeating this again and again and again.
For the fourth time.

The moment you start , the DC/DC converter take over. It only happens once, once started the DC/DC converter takes over.


 

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