QUOTE(azbro @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM)
the car put itself in Electronic Parking Brake when I open the door, while it is in Drive.Safety feature to prevent run a way car. Driver cannot simply just wedge a stick and jump out from driver door.
BYD Malaysia buys back faulty Atto3
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May 26 2025, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(azbro @ May 26 2025, 05:37 PM) the car put itself in Electronic Parking Brake when I open the door, while it is in Drive.Safety feature to prevent run a way car. Driver cannot simply just wedge a stick and jump out from driver door. lurkingaround liked this post
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May 26 2025, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 10:38 PM) ICE that manages to start under such conditions, will usually end up with a busted charging system at the end. Since EV charging system is different once the low voltage battery finishes it's the end. Faulty sensor, is link to the "Infotainment" system and "Driving" system, ... the so called "smart" car, even ask me when I use voice command to open the windows while crusing at 80km/hr... " Are you sure you want to open the window when the car is traveling at 80km/hr.How can the root cause a faulty sensor at the door drain the battery while it's in operation, makes no sense at all. it is just an anecdote on how much the "smart" car is connected to the driving system. The so called safety system, will also put the car in Parking brakes(in this case electronic parking brake) when you suddenly open the door of the car without putting on the parking brake. So the car does not roll off while you get out of the car, without putting on the electronic parking brake. All part of the system.it also have auto-hill hold, so at traffic lights, when we come to a stop, the brake is held down for us, after the car is stopped for 1-3seconds. and all that monitoring, is done by sensors. If you safety belt is not clipped, the auto-hill hold does not activate. Certainly, when the auto-hill hold brake is active, if you open the door... also the system switch to Electronic parking brake. Hence, yes, those door open sensors are working full time and if you do not lock the doors, perhaps the sensor is constantly monitoring the door. And yes, while the car is off, if the door is opened, it will also warn the passenger or driver that there is vehicle approaching from the back.... All that takes a lot of sensor and battery to keep running. Perhaps that is why it is getting so out of control with the 12 V battery getting used up. That is my 3 sen worth of knowledge after driving the car for 10k km. (M6 driver here) lurkingaround liked this post
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May 26 2025, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 11:19 PM) Then why the Singapore Atto3 proceeded to move while the driver's door was open ? Where is the safety system ? really? there is a few setting for auto-door locks, maybe he disable it as well? and or auto-power on when door is unlock. I keep those unchecked. but do not know if others keep it running. Open door and the car is ready and prime to move.and honestly, I do not always try to drive the car with the door open, and the seat belt un-buckled. in the case, where I unbuckle and open the door while car is in "D" mode, directly it auto- engage EPB. Did the person or the driver seat belt /seat sensor detected the driver is still in the car? *** alot of possiblity for malfunction. or edge cases one. This post has been edited by skywardsword: May 26 2025, 11:31 PM lurkingaround liked this post
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May 26 2025, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 11:31 PM) Yes, Uncle also prefer a car with Zero safety system, purely use our own innate safety logic in the brain. therefore, I can only tell you as a user of the car, it does do certain things. But you do not need to question me. Go drive the car yourself and do a video on youtube to show the world it is not safe. lurkingaround liked this post
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May 26 2025, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 26 2025, 11:38 PM) This one I have tested on my own Atto last week. aye aye, yes, the car can move, when the driver or any other passenger door is not properly closed. (the auto lock also will not complete its job of locking after the car travel up to speed) sometimes I use the locked led on the side panel to find out yes, one door is slightly ajar. Unbuckle and open door > straight engage EPB and park mode However With door still open, from P, press brake and push gear into D, the car starts rolling forward again, with the door still opened. Will try to test again on another car with EPB to see if the algorithm logic is the same or not The thing is after it is properly closed and locked, and in Drive, and we open the door or unbuckle.... the system is monitoring and doing the EPB activation. lurkingaround liked this post
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May 27 2025, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ May 26 2025, 11:54 PM) Here is the funny part, these are YouTube videos online showing Chinese drivers doing all things inside their EV except driving like it was some kind of fad la but dunno why the CCP government has ban such antics now. First the promote self driving etc now ban self driving. Apa CCCP mau ? Evolving technology. Some drivers can provide Beta test results, while others, just keep bashing only. I can pull a number out of my arse saying 20% of driver do not know how smart their cars are and how dumb it is ... but I digress. |
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May 27 2025, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 27 2025, 05:48 PM) Do a door sensor need to be that sophisticated? What the door sensor use for? Door sensor maybe 'not so complex ' part of the system.1) door sensor can be just a contact switch. An On/Off signal to the ECU. No electronic require inside. Keep it simple, cheap and failsafe. 2) If there require some crazy electronic stuff inside the switch, the circuit can be design to take wide range of voltage. 10-14.4v is enough to operate and tackle the low/high voltage of the battery. Battery don't drop dead till 0v. However, if it is used in conjunction with, Anti-roll away car function. The feedback loop have one more un-relenting output, which is put on the Electronic Parking brake. Further complexity in the loop, the car also detects the blind spot of the side of the door, being opened (if driver side, it will again give verbal warning) some others have intact, experience automatic braking because the car detected some object in blind spot, meaning the rear guard rail can also play a part in this particular situation. Therefore if the sensor is giving bad data, and the car reacted to it by applying parking brake... It is an extraordinary situation where by, either, just let the car roll, which is what usually happens, our car with M6 as the car is rolling and door is not properly closed, the car does not pop the Parking brake, but add in another seat belt sensor, when it detects you remove the belt, it will pop the Parking brake. |
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May 27 2025, 07:28 PM
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I believe it is both the seat belt and door open sensor that contributed to this Parking brake issue.
Maybe also the blind spot sensors... A whole host of sensor that just went bonkers. Telling the car and it just shitz bricks. And quit the job This post has been edited by skywardsword: May 27 2025, 07:29 PM |
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 27 2025, 10:28 PM) Yes, those AI are BS. Door open signal + Seat belt unbuckle = Activate Electronic Parking brake. ECU can run at very low voltage. Microprocessor can run at 3.3v. This is aslo a safety for a car where if battery drop to lowest 10.5v, the ECU still function and execute the safety necessary for the car. Even other component not function properly. I want to know, what the door sensor signal is giving to the ECU? A simple ON/OFF (Open/close door) signal. If in this, a simple door switch is enough. Even 10mv also can run the switch. Cause it doesn’t require power. If the door require multi signal input, than sensor is required. So what multi input signal the door need to generate. beside just open/close? The rest what you said, is the ECU process the signal from the door input. After door open, pull gear selector to Drive, even if seat belt is unbuckled, car can still be driven. The gist is, while in Drive mode, and a door that was previously properly closed, and the belt that was previously buckled in, both being undone = activate electronic parking brake. Oh btw, if the normal brake pedal fails, there is even yet another button press that can activate this "electronic parking brake" |
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QUOTE(Expressso @ May 29 2025, 04:13 PM) 101 in E&E / mechatronic engineering is to never have single point of failure and should be fault-tolerant and fail safe even if it fails. Fail and stop running = safe?For this case it seems that the system is designed to failsafe but not fail-operational. I guess BYD is more conservative and will shutdown once the system detect a fault even if it's a minor one. They can improve their system by making it fail gracefully. At least keep the electric power steering, brake booster and ESP working until it stops completely. Fail and keep running without ability to stop = safe? Fail and slowly stop = safe? I believe in all our dreams, we prefer it to fail and still have the ability to specifically tell us, why it is failing and let us slowly glide to a gentle stop. |
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