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TSOfficiallyAhmad
post May 4 2025, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(culain99 @ Apr 30 2025, 11:15 AM)
What are all the 5G bands active locally right now? Different websites give different data... really confusing. Do we actually have N26 850mhz active?, most websites list it. And is our N28 700mhz....N28a or N28b?  4G anchor frequency B28a or B28b?

Where/how to confirm this?

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Bands 5G
n26 (850), n28a (700), n28b (700), n78 (3500), n257 mmWave (28GHz)

Bands 4G
B1 (2100), B3 (1800), B5 (850), B7 (2600), B8 (900), B20 (800), B28a (700), B28b (700), B38 (TDD 2600), B40 (TDD 2300)

Bands 2G
B3 (1800), B8 (900)
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For Malaysia 5G, we officially use B28(a and b) and N78 only.

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post May 4 2025, 04:12 PM

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It's interesting that you acknowledge DNB 5G ranking globally yet still doesn't give me Malaysia 4G ranking during its peak. Is there any reason why you don't want to tell me specifically about that?

Your definition of DNB crashing is Malaysia in rank 38 globally but do you know the peak of Malaysia 4G ranking? It must be higher than 38 right if your theory of 4G network competitiveness is true?

Also, isn't it ironic to say that DNB will crash and burns when during 4G era, Digi literally sell their business to Celcom just to survive. With 5G high cost, do you think they will be 5 telco with 5G can survive?

The global news also show how MNO are barely surviving after investing their 5G network. I can link you articles about that below:

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https://www.lightreading.com/5g/operators-5...s-of-paying-off

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https://www.lightreading.com/5g/south-korea...seeking-profits

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https://www.lightreading.com/5g/vodafone-in...ut-three-merger

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https://www.lightreading.com/finance/things...twork-operators

For 6G and future rollout, expert and organization have already started discussing about wholesale network. Wholesale is the future, let MNO fight for services and prices instead of fighting for coverage. For example in fibre, every ISP is using TM HSBB, did any of the ISP already crash and burn using TM HSBB?

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https://mediastorage.o-ran.org/ngrg-rr/nGRG...d_O-RU-v1_0.pdf

https://mediastorage.o-ran.org/ngrg-rr/nGRG...equirements.pdf

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post May 4 2025, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ May 4 2025, 03:15 PM)
For Malaysia 5G, we officially use B28(a and b) and N78 only.
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Any proof of B28b frequency being used? B28a yes I check thru apps giving tower earfcn few locations (phone used to check support a/b both)
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post May 4 2025, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(culain99 @ May 4 2025, 06:04 PM)
Any proof of B28b frequency being used? B28a yes I check thru apps giving tower earfcn few locations (phone used to check support a/b both)
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The proof is that we use 758 MHz – 778 MHz for downlink and 703 MHz – 723 MHz for uplink for B28.

Technically we don't only use the B28a or B28b subdivisions, instead we use an allocated 20 MHz channel within B28. So if a phone only supports B28a or B28b, it can't connect to Malaysia's 5G NSA because neither B28a or B28b individually covers the frequency range of the allocated 20 MHz Band 28 channel.

Here are the references for B28a and B28b:
• B28A: 703-718 MHz (Uplink) and 758-773 MHz (Downlink)
• B28B: 718-748 MHz (Uplink) and 773-803 MHz (Downlink)
References source: https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/mi-11-b...44/#post-594625

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post May 4 2025, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ May 4 2025, 06:55 PM)
The proof is we use 758 Mhz – 778MHz for downlink and 703MHz – 723MHz for uplink for the B28.

Technically we don't use subdivisions of B28a or B28b, we use 20MHz of B28. So if the phone only support half of B28, the phone can't connect to Malaysia 5G NSA since B28a or B28b subdivision only support 15MHz of bandwidth.

Here the references for B28a and B28b:
• 28A: 703-718 MHz (Uplink) and 758-773 MHz (Downlink)
• 28B: 718-748 MHz (Uplink) and 773-803 MHz (Downlink)
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Base on your statement no china local market phone being import and sold here which support b28a only cannot connect to 5G here. Yet they are being sold online and in shops...and seller confirm can work with 5G here.

Anyway I have only seen b28 earfcn 9310, which should be 713/768 mhz (if no mistake in online calculators)... which fall under b28a.

Anyone connect to tower with different earfcn for b28.... please post here.


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QUOTE(culain99 @ May 4 2025, 07:12 PM)
Base on your statement no china local market phone being import and sold here which support b28a only cannot connect to 5G here. Yet they are being sold online and in shops...and seller confirm can work with 5G here.

Anyway I have only seen b28 earfcn 9310, which should be 713/768 mhz (if no mistake in online calculators)... which fall under b28a.

Anyone connect to tower with different earfcn for b28.... please post here.
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Is there any examples of China phone that only have B28a that can connect to Malaysia 5G NSA?

EDIT: Based on double checking info, it seems you are right that DNB also support B28a. Apologies for my mistake and ignorance on not being updated on that part.

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post May 4 2025, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ May 4 2025, 07:15 PM)
Is there any examples of China phone that only have B28a that can connect to Malaysia 5G NSA?
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You can refer kimovil for redmi (k50,k60,70,turbo 3, turbo 4),
Oneplus ( ace pro, ace 2, ace 2 pro etc). Realme and others local china market phones. GSMarena does not give breakdown of b28a/b28b. global models will have listed full b28 on kimovil

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post May 4 2025, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(culain99 @ May 4 2025, 07:27 PM)
You can refer kimovil for redmi (k50,k60,70,turbo 3, turbo 4),
Oneplus ( ace pro, ace 2, ace 2 pro etc). Realme and others local china market phones. GSMarena does not give breakdown of b28a/b28b. global models will have listed full b28 on kimovil
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I learn new things today, and yeah you are right that I'm also referring to GSMarena for the B28a and B28b frequency range info. My mistake. Thank you for the clarification.

For everyone, here the page url for Kimovil band checker:
https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/MY

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ May 4 2025, 07:32 PM)
I learn new things today, and yeah you are right that I'm also referring to GSMarena for the B28a and B28b frequency range info. My mistake. Thank you for the clarification.
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No problem,
if anyone connect to b28 tower with earfcn other than 9310....please update here.
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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ May 4 2025, 04:12 PM)
For example in fibre, every ISP is using TM HSBB, did any of the ISP already crash and burn using TM HSBB?
To quote on this particular statement, every fibre that depend on TM HSBB has a few common problems.

1. Delayed Issue Resolution : Any technical problem—except those related to the ISP's own router—must be referred to TM’s technicians. If TM receives service requests for both its own Unifi customers and third-party providers like Astro Fibre, it’s reasonable to expect that Unifi cases will take priority.
2. Intentional Speed Disparity : Unifi plans are often configured to deliver speeds slightly above the subscribed rate, which can make competing ISPs on the same infrastructure appear slower by comparison.
3. Non-Competitive Pricing : ISPs using TM’s HSBB network tend to have similar pricing structures, offering little differentiation. For example, both CelcomDigi and Maxis charge RM99 for 100 Mbps, while Unifi offers the same speed for RM89.
We may be seeing the same pattern in future when telcos starts pushing all 5G problems to their respective wholesale provider.
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post May 9 2025, 08:54 AM

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[quote=OfficiallyAhmad,May 4 2025, 04:12 PM]
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It's interesting that you acknowledge DNB 5G ranking globally yet still doesn't give me Malaysia 4G ranking during its peak. Is there any reason why you don't want to tell me specifically about that?

Your definition of DNB crashing is Malaysia in rank 38 globally but do you know the peak of Malaysia 4G ranking? It must be higher than 38 right if your theory of 4G network competitiveness is true?

Also, isn't it ironic to say that DNB will crash and burns when during 4G era, Digi literally sell their business to Celcom just to survive. With 5G high cost, do you think they will be 5 telco with 5G can survive?

The global news also show how MNO are barely surviving after investing their 5G network. I can link you articles about that below:

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https://www.lightreading.com/5g/operators-5...s-of-paying-off

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https://www.lightreading.com/5g/south-korea...seeking-profits

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https://www.lightreading.com/5g/vodafone-in...ut-three-merger

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https://www.lightreading.com/finance/things...twork-operators

For 6G and future rollout, expert and organization have already started discussing about wholesale network. Wholesale is the future, let MNO fight for services and prices instead of fighting for coverage. For example in fibre, every ISP is using TM HSBB, did any of the ISP already crash and burn using TM HSBB?

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https://www.linkedin.com/posts/deanbubley_o...7098624000-zdVP

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https://chatgpt.com/share/67c17fd1-cb1c-800...4c-8148beba8064

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https://mediastorage.o-ran.org/ngrg-rr/nGRG...d_O-RU-v1_0.pdf

https://mediastorage.o-ran.org/ngrg-rr/nGRG...equirements.pdf

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Two things need to be clear to compare speed with other countries.

1. A brand new network with no customers will tend to achieve higher and theoretical speed.

2. Speed is correlated to the spectrum bandwidth available.

So,

1. Msia 5G is 2 -3 years behind other market. DNB 5G during launch comparing 5G speed with other mature 5G market is clearly not equal comparison, that is why it can claim super high but now back to normal.

2. Uniquely for Msia, during 4G era, each telco was given 10Mhz LTE spectrum to roll out, while a large chunk given to Altel a new company and Redtone. This cronyism situation keeps happening in Malaysia telco market. So to compare a 10Mhz LTE with other countries having 20Mhz as starter speed is not a fair comparison, only until later telco manage to rent to secure to launch LTE 20Mhz. That is why speed comparison for their new network back then don’t make sense. If you want to compare for sake of comparison to justify a case you can but it is just not the right way unless there is ulterior motive. Or maybe just simply x2 the 4G speed to see how the ranking goes …

3. Why Msia 4G coverage is lackluster i have no supporting just my sense as investor perspective: Maxis, UM, Celcom and Digi need to pay Altel and Redtone for their portion of spectrum … or else the money would be used to expand coverage. In a way the cost to roll out LTE in MY compared to other countries are bloated due to the hidden spectrum rental from Altel and Redtone. This is Msia culture unfortunately… Altel and Redtone collect rental without doing anything.

4. In regards to your article that the ROI for 5G is long, that is entirely private companies to manage and think thru, no Msians money shall be spent to worry about it … MCMC just need to allocate spectrum not get into business competitiom with telco. So i still see DNB is bad move by PN gov aka MOF Zafrul minister that disrupt the telco market causing more harm. Is good UM survived the DNB disaster and given mandate to launch a real telco 5G network.




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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ May 4 2025, 07:32 PM)
I learn new things today, and yeah you are right that I'm also referring to GSMarena for the B28a and B28b frequency range info. My mistake. Thank you for the clarification.

For everyone, here the page url for Kimovil band checker:
https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/MY
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Saw the website states N26 850Mhz, is this Msia 5G band? Didnt recall saw this band been awarded to any telco.
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ May 9 2025, 09:01 AM)
Saw the website states N26 850Mhz, is this Msia 5G band? Didnt recall saw this band been awarded to any telco.
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Countries that use LTE B26 (850 MHz +)
https://www.frequencycheck.com/bands/lte-band-26-850


Carriers that use 5G NR N26 (850 MHz)
https://www.frequencycheck.com/bands/5g-nr-band-26-850

something wrong somewhere



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post May 14 2025, 12:20 PM

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U Mobile is selling its stake in DNB before it begins the rollout of Malaysia's second 5G network. Based on announcements made by CelcomDigi and Maxis via Bursa, U Mobile is selling its entire stake (100,000 shares) in the 5G wholesaler for RM100,000.

Maxis, CelcomDigi and YTL will each acquire U Mobile's 33,333 shares for RM33,333, while the MoF Inc will acquire the remaining 1 share for RM1.

Upon completion of the acquisition, the 3 telcos (Maxis, CelcomDigi and YTL) will increase their respectively stakes from 16.28% to 19.44%, collectively owning 58.32% of DNB. Meanwhile, MOF also increases its stake from 34.88% to 41.67%.

https://x.com/Soya_Cincau/status/1922482952820424785
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https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/717284 - Maxis, CelcomDigi, U Mobile and YTL Power buy 16.3% stake each in DNB instead of 14%, as TM yet to take up its portion - 28 June 2024
.... As for the government’s special share, it will be redeemed by DNB 24 months after MOF Inc’s exit. = 24 months from today.?
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What happened to U Mobile's RM233 million shareholder advance to DNB1.?
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post May 14 2025, 09:18 PM

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If comparing DNB 5G network to mature ones isn't fair, where is other new or small rollout 5G nation rank globally compared to mature ones? Does Malaysia really have high ranking because it's being "new" only?

Since it's normal now according to you, Malaysia 5G global ranking is still higher than Malaysia 4G global ranking. I acknowledge that urban 5G speed is getting a bit slower, but so is other nation. But at the same time, even the rural area can get higher speed 5G speed. I can't say the same for 4G in rural area.

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That's understandable why Malaysia 4G in theory should be slow. But then, isn't Malaysia 5G used a total of 120Mhz of spectrum only? Why Malaysia 5G median speed can beat other country that have bigger 5G spectrum allocation that can also combine with their 4G spectrum?

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I acknowledge what Altel and Redtone done is scummy and everything MNO have to do during 4G era.

But then with DNB, all investment and services is done by DNB and all the MNO get the same coverage at the same price without any discrimination. This massively reduces MNO cost to build massive, duplicate 5G network in Malaysia. These savings can then be passed on to consumers by offering cheaper 5G plans compared to 4G plan, the data from The Edge has already proof this.

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Not only that, but rural area people who used to getting scraps by these MNO because of low profitability won't get rollout 5G fast in their area and when it actually come, they have to buy expensive 5G plan if they want to enjoy 5G fully or else, they will get low quota with low speed plan. This is what happening during 4G era. While with DNB 5G, rural people get the 5G coverage fast and they can just subscribe to small MNO that offer unlimited 5G data and speed without any confusing restrictions.

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Using Malaysian money, the MNO save cost from infrastructure duplication while the customer save money from cheaper 5G services and that's is already proven from the data itself.

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And from long term point of view, the small MNO can survive by offering cheaper plan while the big MNO can offer more services that should differentiate them from smaller MNO. Isn't that how competition should work? Why in 2025 we still expect the primary difference between MNO still be just coverage? In my opinion, that's not a real competition USP for an advanced technology.

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Why should the goverment let the corporations think about how to make things cheap when the price plan offered by MNO during 4G era is literally much more expensive than 5G plan offered currently?

Also, based on post I shared before. 6G researcher and experts said that the reason why wholesale network is hard to do in other nation is because of initial investment cost and Goverment Policy issue. With DNB, all the MNO paid the same amount of money to DNB and Malaysia policy makes wholesale 5G easy. So how would letting MNO thinks about wholesale help when it's a policy issue?

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Like I said before, coverage should a basic and default for every MNO, coverage shouldn't be a USP if 5G is really an advanced technology according to these MNO. With fibre, every ISP is competing on services, not bragging about coverage like it's 2010s.

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With DNB making cheaper 5G plans possible and give equal coverage access to MNO, consumers are benefiting DNB 5G compared to the costly and unequal 4G era. This pushes MNO to differentiate through services and not just coverage. I can't help but wonder if the resistance to DNB is due to some people preferring the old ways, where coverage was the primary less challenging USP, rather than embracing innovation in services. So correct me if I'm wrong, but do you really think the current consumer benefits and the move to a wholesale model are a "bad" move?

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New article said MCMC is going to investigate MNO 4G coverage inconsistency because even though Malaysia 4G COPA is at 98.7%, some MNO 4G COPA is at 76% while other MNO up to 86%.

If people wanted a better coverage, people need to subscribe to the big MNO plan that is more expensive. If people couldn't afford that, they went with smaller MNO who had cheaper plans but their coverage was even more limited especially in rural area. People had to make a tough choice between cost and coverage during 4G era.

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This is such a big difference compared to DNB 5G rollout. All MNO get the same 5G coverage from DNB. No more coverage as the biggest "hidden" USP. DNB makes coverage a basic thing like electricity and water. All MNO using DNB now have to compete on plan pricing and services, not fighting over who built the biggest amount of tower that force users to either compromise on coverage for cost or pay up.

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Ironically, even MCMC is pushing for network sharing for 4G which is just pretty much DNB with extra step. Wholesale network is the future. 6G researcher already started to discuss about network sharing. MNO and its investor need to stop being greedy.

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New 5G plan having cheaper price than old 4G plan just show what bullshit MNO has been cooking with 4G. Only in Malaysia a "Competitive" 4G networks can be one of the slowest in ASEAN and be more expensive than "monopoly" DNB.

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ May 4 2025, 09:13 PM)
1. Delayed Issue Resolution : Any technical problem—except those related to the ISP's own router—must be referred to TM’s technicians. If TM receives service requests for both its own Unifi customers and third-party providers like Astro Fibre, it’s reasonable to expect that Unifi cases will take priority.
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I'm not sure if there solid proof of Unifi always getting priority or if that is just a perception. More importantly, DNB doesn't have its own retail MNO to prioritize over others. The MNO themselves are the shareholders in DNB which might incentivize DNB to treat all MNO equally. Also thinking back to the 4G era when each MNO had their own network, were the issue solved always fast? Sometimes getting past scripted replies took a long time too. Atleast in my experience.

QUOTE(YoungMan @ May 4 2025, 09:13 PM)
2.  Intentional Speed Disparity : Unifi plans are often configured to deliver speeds slightly above the subscribed rate, which can make competing ISPs on the same infrastructure appear slower by comparison.
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Again, Is there any actual data or insider info to prove this allegation/configuration? I'm on a 100 Mbps Maxis fibre plan and I often get speeds above that. Meanwhile, I also sometimes heard from my friend that their Unifi getting speeds lower than their subscribed plan. Again, DNB is purely just wholesale without its own MNO which makes this kind of intentional speed disparity between MNO less likely than with TM.


QUOTE(YoungMan @ May 4 2025, 09:13 PM)
3.  Non-Competitive Pricing : ISPs using TM’s HSBB network tend to have similar pricing structures, offering little differentiation. For example, both CelcomDigi and Maxis charge RM99 for 100 Mbps, while Unifi offers the same speed for RM89.
We may be seeing the same pattern in future when telcos starts pushing all 5G problems to their respective wholesale provider.
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I agree, fibre plan price does look similar. But the RM89 Unifi 100Mbps price you mentioned is promo price and others ISP like Maxis also offer similar promo price. Perhaps the MNO are choosing to price at a similar level to maintain profit margins, but that is just my assumption.

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However, competition isn't only about the price of the plan. As I mentioned before, MNO can differentiate through bundling and services. For example, CelcomDigi ONE plan bundles mobile, fibre, devices and streaming plan into one plan which shows competition can move towards services rather than just speed and price.

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So I'm not entirely sure the pattern we see with TM HSBB will repeat exactly with DNB. DNB structure is different from TM HSBB and honestly looking back at the "competitive" 4G era, we saw consolidation, which doesn't exactly a perfectly healthy, competitive market for consumer.

Meanwhile despite concerns, MNO using DNB seems to be financially stable. The consumers also benefit from cheaper 5G plans compared to the old 4G plans. The MNOs are clearly still making profit using the DNB network without the massive CapEx they had during 4G.

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QUOTE(OfficiallyAhmad @ May 19 2025, 10:49 PM)
I'm not sure if there solid proof of Unifi always getting priority or if that is just a perception. More importantly, DNB doesn't have its own retail MNO to prioritize over others. The MNO themselves are the shareholders in DNB which might incentivize DNB to treat all MNO equally. Also thinking back to the 4G era when each MNO had their own network, were the issue solved always fast? Sometimes getting past scripted replies took a long time too. Atleast in my experience.

Again, Is there any actual data or insider info to prove this allegation/configuration? I'm on a 100 Mbps Maxis fibre plan and I often get speeds above that. Meanwhile, I also sometimes heard from my friend that their Unifi getting speeds lower than their subscribed plan. Again, DNB is purely just wholesale without its own MNO which makes this kind of intentional speed disparity between MNO less likely than with TM.
I agree, fibre plan price does look similar. But the RM89 Unifi 100Mbps price you mentioned is promo price and others ISP like Maxis also offer similar promo price. Perhaps the MNO are choosing to price at a similar level to maintain profit margins, but that is just my assumption.

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However, competition isn't only about the price of the plan. As I mentioned before, MNO can differentiate through bundling and services. For example, CelcomDigi ONE plan bundles mobile, fibre, devices and streaming plan into one plan which shows competition can move towards services rather than just speed and price.

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So I'm not entirely sure the pattern we see with TM HSBB will repeat exactly with DNB. DNB structure is different from TM HSBB and honestly looking back at the "competitive" 4G era, we saw consolidation, which doesn't exactly a perfectly healthy, competitive market for consumer.

Meanwhile despite concerns, MNO using DNB seems to be financially stable. The consumers also benefit from cheaper 5G plans compared to the old 4G plans. The MNOs are clearly still making profit using the DNB network without the massive CapEx they had during 4G.
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With regards to 1 and 2, it would be insane if providers published such data on their configuration. However those cases are not base on data but real users experiencewhich you can find a lot.
I am one of them experiencing the speed capped for my 100mbps Maxis fibre running on TM HSBB, and I have found so many more of such stories. I came from Unifi 100mbps before with speed constantly above 100mbps, while on Digi fibre and Maxis, the speed is hard capped at 93-94mbps. Talk to people who do engineering on replacing TM's ONU, they are evidences of what they do to deprioritise lan 2, 3, and 4 which are reserved for other providers.

Although DNB does not have its own MNO to prioritize, operating as a single entity can still lead to complacency over time. If telcos have no choice but to rely on DNB’s network, what incentive does DNB have to continuously improve—especially 10 to 20 years down the line? I am not all out against DNB 5G, just that there has to be balance.
Our 3g, 4g failure is also a lot to do with MCMC regulation of the telcos.

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post May 22 2025, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ May 20 2025, 02:24 PM)
With regards to 1 and 2, it would be insane if providers published such data on their configuration. However those cases are not base on data but real users experiencewhich you can find a lot.
I am one of them experiencing the speed capped for my 100mbps Maxis fibre running on TM HSBB, and I have found so many more of such stories. I came from Unifi 100mbps before with speed constantly above 100mbps, while on Digi fibre and Maxis, the speed is hard capped at 93-94mbps. Talk to people who do engineering on replacing TM's ONU, they are evidences of what they do to deprioritise lan 2, 3, and 4 which are reserved for other providers.
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That's an interesting experience. Thanks for sharing your own experience with Maxis on TM HSBB.

Can I have some screenshots or links to post where people discuss this ONU configuration and speed capping would be helpful for reference purposes. Hard to understand the details for me about deprioritizing LAN ports issue without something to reference to. If you can share, I appreciate it very much.


QUOTE(YoungMan @ May 20 2025, 02:24 PM)
Although DNB does not have its own MNO to prioritize, operating as a single entity can still lead to complacency over time. If telcos have no choice but to rely on DNB’s network, what incentive does DNB have to continuously improve—especially 10 to 20 years down the line? I am not all out against DNB 5G, just that there has to be balance.
Our 3g, 4g failure is also a lot to do with MCMC regulation of the telcos.
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You bought up good point there but then, won't the MNO themselves are eventually becoming the shareholders of DNB? So if DNB gets complacent later, isn't that essentially saying the MNO themselves aren't pushing for innovation or improvement on DNB?

And this ties back to your point about 3G/4G failures being MCMC fault due to regulation. My question is, if the 4G era was a competitive market between MNO building their own networks, why did MNO still need MCMC pushing them so hard on basic coverage and quality standards? Shouldn't "competition" naturally drive innovation beyond just the bare minimum regulated standard?

If MNO in a competitive market still need MCMC to force them to improve coverage, and with DNB having a wholesale network can potentially become complacent according to you, doesn't that indicate the issue is not with the network wholesale structure but perhaps MNO lack of innovation beyond coverage from the MNO themselves? Why is it always everyone fault but the MNO get the free pass to be complacent?

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In my opinion, DNB wholesale network at least forces the MNO to compete on plans price and services because coverage should be a basic requirement that all MNO and consumer deserve to get. With DNB, consumers get the benefits of competition through cheaper plans price without sacrificing coverage, something that "competitive" 4G era didn't manage deliver effectively based on the pricing and coverage issues I saw.

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This post has been edited by OfficiallyAhmad: May 22 2025, 03:59 PM

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