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james.6831
post Jan 10 2024, 07:59 PM

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interesting...touch wood my ilp havent kena increase yet under aia lol if kena, i'll prob just cancel...enough of the ilp rubbish...
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post Jan 10 2024, 08:25 PM

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Problem with government hospital is lack of bed if your sickness is serious...

They just keep you in the emergency department room for few hours, keep holding up you there... Then like mid night or week hours in morning... Discharged you says, just take medicine given... Later 1 or 2 week time, come back see got improvement or not 😏
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post Jan 10 2024, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(james.6831 @ Jan 10 2024, 07:59 PM)
interesting...touch wood my ilp havent kena increase yet under aia lol if kena, i'll prob just cancel...enough of the ilp rubbish...
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How many years? I got this in 2016, then repricing in 2021, another in 2024.
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post Jan 10 2024, 09:08 PM

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medical insurance premium increases are a very common occurrence until there are numerous similar threads in LYN

Insurance Premium Naik!
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5396455

Medical card premium increased
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5049342/+20

medical insurance cost sudden increase 29%, normal !?
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4753108

Insurance companies announce higher premiums, Do we really need medical card?
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4894421/+0

Prudential Medical card premium increase, Medical card
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5125897

AIA naikkan my premium
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4865841

WTA Insurance premium increase
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4784419/all

Insurance premium increase due to age factor
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4771163/all






Ramjade
post Jan 10 2024, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 10 2024, 07:07 PM)
There are always will be someone going against any topic.

Just because of some "certified" people says it is good...do you fall for it that that things really suits you?

Just bcos some actuaries or doctors says it is good...
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Bro, even FIRE bloggers in Singapore also advised against taking ILP. These people got nothing to sell me. No course. They just blog to share experiences.

QUOTE(koaydarren @ Jan 10 2024, 07:11 PM)
Agents are busying using your premium to fly here and there. The best way is to avoid agent, buy online directly from the insurance company. Be aware of agents sweet talk, just buy the basic. Reduce unnecessary premium. Just buy another plan from another company. Or coz ur agents will black face and tell u that u will waste ur current plan becoz u already bought it early.
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I wish that is true. Medical insurance with limit of rm1m+ need to go via agent. Those no need medical insurance usually limit is RM100k+.

Also the only insurance with 1m+ limit which don't need agent is Fi.life (partner with Generally Malaysia)
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post Jan 10 2024, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 10 2024, 09:15 PM)
Bro, even FIRE bloggers in Singapore also advised against taking ILP. These people got nothing to sell me. No course. They just blog to share experiences.
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go look for the statistic of insurance sales of ILP vs standalone....
perhaps can get more input

they have nothing to sell to you but they may not provides the FULL pictures...

just like some people that from their "experience" promotes money games or stock trading or forex tradings etc etc....
they don't sell those products to you,...but they may not provides the FULL pictures

This post has been edited by MUM: Jan 10 2024, 09:21 PM
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post Jan 10 2024, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 10 2024, 09:19 PM)
go look for the statistic of insurance sales of ILP vs standalone....
perhaps can get more input

they have nothing to sell to you but they may not provides the FULL pictures...
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ILP sells.

They memang got nothing to sell. In fact people who follow these financial bloggers end up better than asking banks or agents or financial planner. I have been seeing their posting for years already. They are legit. Really nothing to sell you and they explained their reasoning why they choose to avoid ILP. Why they invest this way, etc.

You seems very pro ILP and agents. Lol.

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post Jan 10 2024, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 10 2024, 09:22 PM)
ILP sells.

They memang got nothing to sell. In fact people who follow these financial bloggers end up better than asking banks or agents or financial planner. I have been seeing their posting for years already. They are legit.
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they memang have nothing to sell to you but they may not provides the FULL pictures...

just like some people that from their "experience" promotes money games or stock trading or forex tradings etc etc....
they don't sell those products to you,...but they may not provides the FULL pictures
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post Jan 10 2024, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 10 2024, 09:22 PM)
they memang have nothing to sell to you but they may not provides the FULL pictures...

just like some people that from their "experience" promotes money games or stock trading or forex tradings etc etc....
they don't sell those products to you,...but they may not provides the FULL pictures
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Is teaching people how to plan their own financial journey or investing in diversified etf not provide full picture? I think they provide more than enough picture.
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post Jan 10 2024, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 10 2024, 09:24 PM)
Is teaching people how to plan their own financial journey or investing in diversified etf not provide full picture? I think they provide more than enough picture.
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there are others financial planners that promotes ILP too...they are legit too.

EACH have their point of views,....the issue is which point of views do you liked to follow?

if you liked STANDALONE,... so go with it,....
i also bought STANDALONE in 2011 and 2008, ...i hv experience to tell that just beware and take notes of the "quantum of rate of increases

looking at the sales of ILP more than Standalone insurance policies,....there must be something going on....perhaps agents pushes more or more people knows about the quantum of increases or ???
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post Jan 10 2024, 09:47 PM

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agents obviously prefer to sell ILP due to the commission payout to them. No need to waste time in trying to figure this part out. and naturally insurance firms prefer ILP as it gets to grow its asset management biz as well.
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post Jan 10 2024, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 10 2024, 09:47 PM)
agents obviously prefer to sell ILP due to the commission payout to them. No need to waste time in trying to figure this part out. and naturally insurance firms prefer ILP as it gets to grow its asset management biz as well.
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Yup regardless of fund making or not making money, get paid asset under management fees. biggrin.gif

The loser is the buyer. That's why invest in asset company and insurance company. Turn the cash register around.
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post Jan 10 2024, 10:35 PM

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This succinctly captures the vicious cycle! It's a death spiral I'm sure!
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post Jan 10 2024, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 10 2024, 10:35 PM)
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This succinctly captures the vicious cycle! It's a death spiral I'm sure!
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Now you know why I said if still healthy just change new insurance every 10y. It reach a time where you cannot change anymore (once you got some illness)
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post Jan 10 2024, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 10 2024, 06:22 PM)
Regarding ILP vs STANDALONE.

This is a data that I got for standalone plan...just for discussion sake

I don't hv the ILP version,....I only got the data for the standalone plan.
In 2011 age 39, premium was 930
In 2024, age 52, premium is 3430

For a coverage of 300k lifetime.

In 13 years, the quantum of increase is just staggering ....$2500 or 268.8% increases.
( every year about 20% increase??)

Looking at the quantum of rate increases, I believes the premium may reach 5k in another 5 yrs at age 57, then may even reach 10k at 68.
The chances of needing medical claims would be alot higher at age 68....insurance company will be happy I cannot continue to afford paying the premium ...

If one is not wealthy, .... May really "eats" into the budget of the retirement plan.

I always envy those that had bought the 1 mil standalone med coverage at young age....hopefully they can hv the mean to sustain it before they die

Just hopefully someone can provides comparison of the quantum of rate increases of ILP Vs STANDALONE plan .

What is lower cost or cheap to buy now may not be so after the premium increases...
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ILP supposed to sustain the same premium for the number of years promised in the policy. outdated insurance policies should be dumped and renewed. either new policy or change insurance company.
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post Jan 10 2024, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 10 2024, 09:15 PM)
Bro, even FIRE bloggers in Singapore also advised against taking ILP. These people got nothing to sell me. No course. They just blog to share experiences.
I wish that is true. Medical insurance with limit of rm1m+ need to go via agent. Those no need medical insurance usually limit is RM100k+.

Also the only insurance with 1m+ limit which don't need agent is Fi.life (partner with Generally Malaysia)
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why are you comparing singapore to malaysia? rclxub.gif we have different healthcare systems
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QUOTE(zstan @ Jan 10 2024, 11:29 PM)
ILP supposed to sustain the same premium for the number of years promised in the policy. outdated insurance policies should be dumped and renewed. either new policy or change insurance company.
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that is i suppose to be the same for standalone policy too....but they have a clause inside that mentioned they can increase the premium at anytime they want too

when you change policy or insurance company,...do take note of the "no coverage" period or periods that will be subjected to detailed scrutiny if you claim.
lagi worst, they may not covers you preexisitng illness if any

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jan 10 2024, 11:33 PM)
why are you comparing singapore to malaysia?  rclxub.gif  we have different healthcare systems
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Health system maybe different but principal behind insurance is more or less the same.

They also kena repricing like crazy cause everyone admit because of insurance.

QUOTE(zstan @ Jan 10 2024, 11:29 PM)
ILP supposed to sustain the same premium for the number of years promised in the policy. outdated insurance policies should be dumped and renewed. either new policy or change insurance company.
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In theory. In reality nope.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jan 10 2024, 11:38 PM
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post Jan 10 2024, 11:40 PM

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This time increase due to bnm last year Oct time aldy give memo dy
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 10 2024, 11:35 PM)
that is i suppose to be the same for standalone policy too....but they have a clause inside that mentioned they can increase the premium at anytime they want too

when you change policy or insurance company,...do take note of the "no coverage" period or periods that will be subjected to detailed scrutiny if you claim.
lagi worst, they may not covers you preexisitng illness if any
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standalone is worse cause they have no buffer. that's why you only cancel the old insurance after the new insurance has passed probation to prevent any lapses.

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