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post Apr 26 2019, 12:25 PM, updated 7y ago

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Hi, i received a letter from my insurance company saying that there will be a change of contribution due to age factor. They will increase it. Is this something that they can actually do? Its my fault that i didnt ask my agent last time on this matter but i did read last time that the contribution will be fix until the end of contract

I read my cert just now to re confirm but i could not find anything related to the change of contribution due to age factor. Anyone can help me on this?
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post Apr 26 2019, 12:35 PM

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investment link will less like to see the change in premium because they can offset the amount from the investment part.


normal non investment type premium will definitely increase with age.
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 12:25 PM)
Hi, i received a letter from my insurance company saying that there will be a change of contribution due to age factor. They will increase it. Is this something that they can actually do? Its my fault that i didnt ask my agent last time on this matter but i did read last time that the contribution will be fix until the end of contract

I read my cert just now to re confirm but i could not find anything related to the change of contribution due to age factor. Anyone can help me on this?
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This is why most of the insurance salesman who ask you to "buy insurance when young, its cheaper" is mainly marketing crap... buying when you're young and when you actually needs it (40s) u end up paying less when buying later
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post Apr 26 2019, 12:45 PM

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I thought its already factored into the premium? Isnt it during proposal time agent will show graphs like how much u can get back cash after 10 years and after 20 years and so on?
btw investment-linked..
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QUOTE(kons @ Apr 26 2019, 12:35 PM)
investment link will less like to see the change in premium because they can offset the amount from the investment part.
normal non investment type premium will definitely increase with age.
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Mine without investment as i put my investment in somewhere else. But i did read that the price will fix until certain age where the contract expired. Around 60 iirc.

QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 26 2019, 12:40 PM)
This is why most of the insurance salesman who ask you to "buy insurance when young, its cheaper" is mainly marketing crap... buying when you're young and when you actually needs it (40s) u end up paying less when buying later
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I should have known. This makes me want to change insurance plan to something more cheaper but cover the things i needed not something i wanted. The only thing makes me stay contribute coz i thought that the premium will never increase unless i upgrade my plan.

QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Apr 26 2019, 12:45 PM)
I thought its already factored into the premium? Isnt it during proposal time agent will show graphs like how much u can get back cash after 10 years and after 20 years and so on?
btw investment-linked..
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Mine non investment plan.
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 12:53 PM)
Mine without investment as i put my investment in somewhere else. But i did read that the price will fix until certain age where the contract expired. Around 60 iirc.
I should have known. This makes me want to change insurance plan to something more cheaper but cover the things i needed not something i wanted. The only thing makes me stay contribute coz i thought that the premium will never increase unless i upgrade my plan.
Mine non investment plan.
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Life or medical card?
yearly renewal?
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Apr 26 2019, 12:58 PM)
Life or medical card?
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Medical plan only
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post Apr 26 2019, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 12:25 PM)
Hi, i received a letter from my insurance company saying that there will be a change of contribution due to age factor. They will increase it. Is this something that they can actually do? Its my fault that i didnt ask my agent last time on this matter but i did read last time that the contribution will be fix until the end of contract

I read my cert just now to re confirm but i could not find anything related to the change of contribution due to age factor. Anyone can help me on this?
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sounds like your insurance company is starting to put you into the "exception" clauses. what plan did you signed up for?

i bought my so-called "insurance-investment" plan before i hit the age of 30 because the premium is generally lower and will not fluctuate as the premium paid is fixed for a tenure of 10 years. after 10 years then that's another issue.
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 01:01 PM)
Medical plan only
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Guess so. then they have rights to adjust the premium since its annually renewal, even if they stated no age limitation or guarantee renewalable.
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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Apr 26 2019, 01:03 PM)
sounds like your insurance company is starting to put you into the "exception" clauses. what plan did you signed up for?

i bought my so-called "insurance-investment" plan before i hit the age of 30 because the premium is generally lower and will not fluctuate as the premium paid is fixed for a tenure of 10 years. after 10 years then that's another issue.
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I don't wanna state the actual plan as it will reveal my insurance company. But in general, its a medical plan. If i know this will happen, i would have change my plan long ago. The reason i stay coz i thought the premium will never change as agent always said "buy at young age will have cheap premium". Now suddet this make sense. Its not it will never change but i literally pay cheap previously when i first sign up.

QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Apr 26 2019, 01:03 PM)
Guess so. then they have rights to adjust the premium since its annually renewal, even if they stated no age limitation or guarantee renewalable.
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I felt cheated now. They should told me last time and i should ask them too. Its my fault that i didnt ask about this last time. Now, i going to change my plan to something cheaper yet covers what i need instead of something i want. Something that cover 100k annually seems fine to me. Currently my plan cover 1.25m per year with no lifetime limit.
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 01:22 PM)
I don't wanna state the actual plan as it will reveal my insurance company. But in general, its a medical plan. If i know this will happen, i would have change my plan long ago. The reason i stay coz i thought the premium will never change as agent always said "buy at young age will have cheap premium". Now suddet this make sense. Its not it will never change but i literally pay cheap previously when i first sign up.
I felt cheated now. They should told me last time and i should ask them too. Its my fault that i didnt ask about this last time. Now, i going to change my plan to something cheaper yet covers what i need instead of something i want. Something that cover 100k annually seems fine to me. Currently my plan cover 1.25m per year with no lifetime limit.
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U can try look for other companies but they may not accept since your age is high already, even if accept too it would not be cheap.
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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Apr 26 2019, 01:25 PM)
U can try look for other companies but they may not accept since your age is high already, even if accept too it would not be cheap.
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I survey last time but i stop as i decide to continue with current plan. Now i will resume my search. U have any recommendations on which company i should go for?
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post Apr 26 2019, 02:05 PM

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Call ur agent again?
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post Apr 26 2019, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 26 2019, 12:40 PM)
This is why most of the insurance salesman who ask you to "buy insurance when young, its cheaper" is mainly marketing crap... buying when you're young and when you actually needs it (40s) u end up paying less when buying later
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So better buy when already confirm got health issue?
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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 01:22 PM)
I don't wanna state the actual plan as it will reveal my insurance company. But in general, its a medical plan. If i know this will happen, i would have change my plan long ago. The reason i stay coz i thought the premium will never change as agent always said "buy at young age will have cheap premium". Now suddet this make sense. Its not it will never change but i literally pay cheap previously when i first sign up.
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Perhaps the plan you signed up for isn't the conventional type of medical plan - a different one that is exclusive only to the company?

I sort of know this because the medical plan that my friends, my parents-in-law and i have all are with fixed premium to be paid over a fixed tenure.

Have you called them up and checked what is actually going on?


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QUOTE(shaniandras2787 @ Apr 26 2019, 02:25 PM)
Perhaps the plan you signed up for isn't the conventional type of medical plan - a different one that is exclusive only to the company?

I sort of know this because the medical plan that my friends, my parents-in-law and i have all are with fixed premium to be paid over a fixed tenure.

Have you called them up and checked what is actually going on?
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Mine is takaful actually. I havent call them yet. I need to get the clear picture first before calling them and end up saying yes to everything. I dont have deep knowledge in insurance. They can easily cheat me again with simple explanation.


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post Apr 26 2019, 03:03 PM

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Ask ur agent la ts. Like my ins policy, they dont increase my premium contribution due to age factor. So I'd be paying the same amount untill I reach 70. Unless if theres a medical benefits repricing, then akan ada perubahan pada contribution.
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post Apr 26 2019, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(jesseclane @ Apr 26 2019, 02:12 PM)
So better buy when already confirm got health issue?
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confirm got issue who will sell to u wor.

buy when older, when chances higher and u can afford it
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post Apr 26 2019, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 03:02 PM)
Mine is takaful actually. I havent call them yet. I need to get the clear picture first before calling them and end up saying yes to everything. I dont have deep knowledge in insurance. They can easily cheat me again with simple explanation.
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I understand your predicament, actually no one in this world knows how all these insurance scheme works. I dare say not even the owners of the firm knows it, they just basically winged it and if there's ever a problem, they'll just pushed it back down to the sales - and about the sales, don't even get me started.

I purchased mine from an individual who convinced me that "he's different because he's all down to personal service and can always be contacted"; 2 years down the road, the last I heard he already migrated to Australia. Some "service".

If need be then perhaps you would want to drop by their HQ personally and get them to explain to you precisely what is going on and to also point out specifically which clause which states that they are entitled to revise the premium paid based on age. They cannot reject/ignore you else you can just lodge a complaint against their firm/agency.

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post Apr 27 2019, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 12:25 PM)
Hi, i received a letter from my insurance company saying that there will be a change of contribution due to age factor. They will increase it. Is this something that they can actually do? Its my fault that i didnt ask my agent last time on this matter but i did read last time that the contribution will be fix until the end of contract

I read my cert just now to re confirm but i could not find anything related to the change of contribution due to age factor. Anyone can help me on this?
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It's common. Look at the cost of insurance or insurance charges in your proposal. It goes up around 5-6% a year at a younger age and >15% as you grow older. Ask your agent to show you the cost of insurance at an older age and see that increases exponentially.

Insurance companies are basically using the surplus from your premium at a younger age to invest and cover the cost of insurance as you grow older. Problem is that you're subject to the whims and vagaries of the investments made by them.

Also, in newer proposals you'll see messages like this:
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WARNING YOUR INSURANCE CHARGES WILL INCREASE AS YOU GET OLDER. IN THE LATER YEARS, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE ACCUMULATED FUND VALUE IS NOT ENOUGH TO PAY FOR YOUR INSURANCE CHARGES DUE TO POOR INVESTMENT RETURNS, WHICH WILL RESULT IN YOUR POLICY BEING CANCELLED. YOU MAY NEED TO INCREASE YOUR PREMIUMS VIA TOP-UP PREMIUM, OR REDUCE THE LEVEL OF INSURANCE PROTECTION, IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN YOUR POLICY.* * You should ask the agent/broker/financial adviser to explain to you about the insurance charges and its effect on your future insurance coverage.


Or:
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IMPORTANT:
THIS IS AN INSURANCE PRODUCT THAT IS TIED TO THE PERFORMANCE OF THE UNDERLYING ASSETS, AND IS NOT A PURE
INVESTMENT PRODUCT SUCH AS UNIT TRUSTS
- You should read this illustration together with the fund fact sheet(s) of the investment fund(s) which you have chosen.
The fund fact sheet(s) contains all the important information that you will need to know regarding the investment-linked fund(s).
- Since only 45% of the Annual Premium for the first policy year and 55% of the Annual Premium for the second policy year is used to purchase units, while 95% of
top-up is used to purchase units, you can maximise your investment value by minimising your annual premium and maximising your top-ups.
- Minimum Annual Premium Required: RM1,200
- Minimum Single Premium Top-Up allowed: RM500
- Minimum Annual Regular Premium Top-Up allowed: RM120
- Therefore, if your purchase involves a premium of sizeable amount say RM5,000 and above, you should consider purchasing single premium investment-linked
policy (rather than a regular premium policy) as single premium plans offer better allocation rates for investment.
- Your investment-linked policy will lapse if there is not enough units in your fund to pay the charges. Your units may not be enough over the years due to:-
- High insurance charges if you buy many riders, and especially if the charges are increasing over time as you get older.
- Poor investment returns.
- If you stop paying premiums.
WARNING
YOUR INSURANCE CHARGES WILL INCREASE AS AGE INCREASES. IN THE LATER YEARS, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE ACCUMULATED FUND VALUE IS NOT ENOUGH TO PAY FOR YOUR
INSURANCE CHARGES DUE TO POOR INVESTMENT RETURNS, WHICH WILL RESULT IN YOUR POLICY BEING CANCELLED. YOU MAY NEED TO INCREASE YOUR PREMIUMS OR REDUCE
THE LEVEL OF INSURANCE PROTECTION, IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN YOUR POLICY. *
SUMMARY ILLUSTRATION
- This summary illustration is intended to show the movements of possible cash flows for the investment and the impact of fees and charges on Fund Values
based on illustration below.
- The projected investment returns used below are for illustrative purposes and not meant to show possible returns of your chosen investment-linked fund(s).
- They are not guaranteed and not based on past performance.
- Actual returns of the fund will fluctuate (i.e. rise or fall) each year based on the performance of the assets at the fund invests in.
- The actual returns may even go below the projected rates or become negative.
* You should ask your agent to explain to you about the insurance charges and its effect on your future insurance coverage.
After looking at almost all plans from various companies, my own projection is that all of them will require you to top-up significantly as you grow older (mid-70s) if the investment does well, and even earlier like your late 60s if they don't do well.

I'm treating them more like a hedge against any unexpected events while my I'm the main provider. After my kids have grown up and don't need me to provide, I'll terminate the policies and cash out. Personally, don't see a point of holding them on for too long and letting all the invested funds run out when I'm old and need to top up tens of thousands annually.


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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 12:25 PM)
Hi, i received a letter from my insurance company saying that there will be a change of contribution due to age factor. They will increase it. Is this something that they can actually do? Its my fault that i didnt ask my agent last time on this matter but i did read last time that the contribution will be fix until the end of contract

I read my cert just now to re confirm but i could not find anything related to the change of contribution due to age factor. Anyone can help me on this?
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post Apr 28 2019, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 26 2019, 03:28 PM)
confirm got issue who will sell to u wor.

buy when older, when chances higher and u can afford it
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Dang, I should have postponed buying my insurance till 6 months before I kena big disease. Been paying for nothing so far.
I'll have high blood pressure at age 53, and kidney failure at 70, and that's a long way to go.
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post Apr 28 2019, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Apr 28 2019, 09:21 AM)
Dang, I should have postponed buying my insurance till 6 months before I kena big disease. Been paying for nothing so far.
I'll have high blood pressure at age 53, and kidney failure at 70, and that's a long way to go.
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Since u so pandai know he milestone liao. Why still buy so early? Sendiri dumb lor
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post Apr 28 2019, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 28 2019, 07:33 PM)
Since u so pandai know he milestone liao. Why still buy so early? Sendiri dumb lor
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Because I only saw what you wrote today.
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post Apr 28 2019, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(lol~ @ Apr 26 2019, 03:02 PM)
Mine is takaful actually. I havent call them yet. I need to get the clear picture first before calling them and end up saying yes to everything. I dont have deep knowledge in insurance. They can easily cheat me again with simple explanation.
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If you don't even trust your insurance agent, I suggest you get one that you do trust...... After all, if anything happens to you, you're trusting him/her to carry out his/her duties to ensure your medical bills/life insurance is paid out.

Best,
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post Apr 29 2019, 07:56 AM

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As far as i know, medical insurance will awalys increase with age. Life insurance is fix.

So it is good to sign early for life insurance
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post Apr 29 2019, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(NuKkE @ Apr 29 2019, 07:56 AM)
As far as i know, medical insurance will awalys increase with age. Life insurance is fix.

So it is good to sign early for life insurance
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Unfortunately it depends what kind of life insurance you are referring to:

- Saving plan

Yes these are categorised as life insurance and the premiums are fixed.

- Term Insurance

Fixed for X amount of years as per contract.

- Investment Linked

"Fixed", so long the COI does not depleted the cash value.

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post Apr 29 2019, 10:19 AM

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yes, insurance company can adjust the money they charge you based on claim experience.


 

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