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celciuz
post Jun 3 2024, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(johnnyenglish123 @ Jun 3 2024, 12:38 PM)
Guys! Want to ask the battery of performance vs long range

Is it a different battery tech?
Which battery would fair better from day to day usage?
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If follow the original Model 3... both LR and P has same battery pack.

Not sure if current highland has higher output battery pack, the capacity looked identical though. Both are NMC usable 77.6kW battery packs.
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post Jun 3 2024, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jun 3 2024, 04:50 PM)
If follow the original Model 3... both LR and P has same battery pack.

Not sure if current highland has higher output battery pack, the capacity looked identical though. Both are NMC usable 77.6kW battery packs.
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Seen some feedback for lr it's better not to charge it to 100 and drain it to less than 10%
But for Sr is fine to do so


Which it means performance will also need to follow the same lr practice?

I tend to be lazy and plug it to charge overnight
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post Jun 3 2024, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(johnnyenglish123 @ Jun 3 2024, 05:41 PM)
Seen some feedback for lr it's better not to charge it to 100 and drain it to less than 10%
But for Sr is fine to do so
Which it means performance will also need to follow the same lr practice?

I tend to be lazy and plug it to charge overnight
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Yes, Performance using NMC. Basically LFP is also battery, will be damaged if left over at 100% for long time just less apparent than NMC. Battery damage is when it has max capacity 100%, or too low charge... so weather NMC or LFP still will kena.. just LFP is less, and LFP has to go to 100% for the calibration to be more accurate. NMC has bigger voltage delta hence no need do so.

Side note, the Tesla battery BMS is smart la. You can set it to charge to just 80%, or even put it so it starts charging to get to 80% at 7am for example. So just reach home and plug in. next morning by the time u set its ready for you. And even better the battery is warm and ready to go.
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post Jun 3 2024, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jun 3 2024, 08:15 PM)
Yes, Performance using NMC. Basically LFP is also battery, will be damaged if left over at 100% for long time just less apparent than NMC. Battery damage is when it has max capacity 100%, or too low charge... so weather NMC or LFP still will kena.. just LFP is less, and LFP has to go to 100% for the calibration to be more accurate. NMC has bigger voltage delta hence no need do so.

Side note, the Tesla battery BMS is smart la. You can set it to charge to just 80%, or even put it so it starts charging to get to 80% at 7am for example. So just reach home and plug in. next morning by the time u set its ready for you. And even better the battery is warm and ready to go.
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So this means with performance stated 550 Km
So actual range would be around 400km ?
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post Jun 3 2024, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(johnnyenglish123 @ Jun 3 2024, 09:04 PM)
So this means with performance stated 550 Km
So actual range would be around 400km ?
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The official stated range of my long range version is 678km but the actual range (depending on my driving patterns) that is showing on my screen is 555km when the battery is fully charged. Therefore it's wise to slash around 20% off the official figures for the real world actual range.
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QUOTE(johnnyenglish123 @ Jun 3 2024, 09:04 PM)
So this means with performance stated 550 Km
So actual range would be around 400km ?
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What Tesla advertises is WLTP, and what is shown in the car is EPA. And there's another based on your driving history Wh/km estimated. So there's different numbers. Mine is a M3LR 18", it shows 550km at 100% (probably less now).

Usually if 550km WLTP, probably 80% is about 440km ish would be ok. but being a performance model being floored a lot I think eventually you get much less laugh.gif I'm guessing the performance is as efficient as the LR, but due to the 20" and wider tires for grip... cannot defy physics mah.
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post Jun 3 2024, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jun 3 2024, 10:21 PM)
What Tesla advertises is WLTP, and what is shown in the car is EPA. And there's another based on your driving history Wh/km estimated. So there's different numbers. Mine is a M3LR 18", it shows 550km at 100% (probably less now).

Usually if 550km WLTP, probably 80% is about 440km ish would be ok. but being a performance model being floored a lot I think eventually you get much less  laugh.gif I'm guessing the performance is as efficient as the LR, but due to the 20" and wider tires for grip... cannot defy physics mah.
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So save the cash and go for lr? Not worth topping up abit for performance?

And your advice is charge it from 20 to 80 max cut off. Which is good for around 400km hmm
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post Jun 4 2024, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(johnnyenglish123 @ Jun 3 2024, 10:57 PM)
So save the cash and go for lr? Not worth topping up abit for performance?

And your advice is charge it from 20 to 80 max cut off. Which is good for around 400km hmm
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If I'm buying now, I'll probably get the Performance... just for that seat... and those lovely styling!

But the main issue I would have is not the range, but the 127mm ground clearance vs the 137mm of the LR...
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post Jun 4 2024, 12:22 AM

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Regarding the battery can watch this video.

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post Jun 4 2024, 12:50 PM

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Road tax is out,

M3 RWD is RM280
M3 LR is RM865
Attached File  Garis_Panduan_LKM_Kenderaan_Elektrik_v2.pdf ( 115.77k ) Number of downloads: 34

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post Jun 4 2024, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Lone Wolf X @ Jun 4 2024, 12:50 PM)
Road tax is out,

M3 RWD is RM280
M3 LR is RM865
Attached File  Garis_Panduan_LKM_Kenderaan_Elektrik_v2.pdf ( 115.77k ) Number of downloads: 34

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Nice. Now can order my model Y. The road tax also will be reviewed every 5 years.
Means the tax above starts from 2026 to 2031.


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QUOTE(Lone Wolf X @ Jun 4 2024, 12:50 PM)
Road tax is out,

M3 RWD is RM280
M3 LR is RM865
Attached File  Garis_Panduan_LKM_Kenderaan_Elektrik_v2.pdf ( 115.77k ) Number of downloads: 34

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It's funny that the road tax for Model 3 Performance version is probably gonna be cheaper than its long range counterpart.
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post Jun 4 2024, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(HotshotS @ Jun 4 2024, 04:02 PM)
It's funny that the road tax for Model 3 Performance version is probably gonna be cheaper than its long range counterpart.
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M3P roadtax declared 461kW so… 😅
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post Jun 4 2024, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jun 4 2024, 07:47 PM)
M3P roadtax declared 461kW so… 😅
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Oh really? Is the engine capacity for M3P in the VOC written as 461kW?

Since the horsepower of M3P is only 460hp (M3LR is around 490hp), I thought the electric motor power will be around 343kW (by converting from hp to kW).

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post Jun 4 2024, 09:06 PM

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The next question now is.... will there be another round of price cuts
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just to share my booking experience, until now totally have 4 DA contacted me. each of them did not follow up with the previous DA. i got loan approval before placing tesla booking cos the RM1k not refundable, just to be safe in case loan not approve then waste the booking.
Place booking for M3SR around 18 May
5 days after 1 DA contacted me says there will be getting delivery end of June or beginning of July which I'm ok, I'm not in rush. then I submit the LOU + JPJ plate buy from mysikap to him.
last Friday I got email from another DA says will take over tell me Vin & motor no. been assigned, which have no clue I already submit my LOU & Jpj plate documents. So I continue to ask for insurance quotation.
today another DA contact me say will take over ask me to bank in the downpayment to Tesla citibank account.
in 4PM I got my insurance policy and banked in downpayment + update the app with insurance policy + ask banker to issue eHak milik
Then another DA called me, asking some question which again I already completed.

here's the climax
Banker told me they cannot register the car for me as the car Motor number is already registered.
i email to DA ask them to double confirm my vin no. is correct, they reply confirmed is correct, ask me to pass them the banker contact they will liaise with the banker
end up banker show me the car already registered under RHB, now the DA says they will contact RHB PIC to release the Vin no.
Lets see 2morow how.

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QUOTE(HotshotS @ Jun 4 2024, 08:56 PM)
Oh really? Is the engine capacity for M3P in the VOC written as 461kW?

Since the horsepower of M3P is only 460hp (M3LR is around 490hp), I thought the electric motor power will be around 343kW (by converting from hp to kW).
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M3LR doesn't even get 490hp at the moment, there's no Acceleration Boost as of now.
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post Jun 4 2024, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jun 4 2024, 09:56 PM)
M3LR doesn't even get 490hp at the moment, there's no Acceleration Boost as of now.
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Yeah M3LR is not getting the full 490hp yet but we're going to pay the road tax equivalent to 490hp.

However, by the looks of it, the road tax of M3P is only gonna be the equivalent of 460hp (not sure how many kW Tesla Malaysia will declare).
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post Jun 5 2024, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(HotshotS @ Jun 4 2024, 10:13 PM)
Yeah M3LR is not getting the full 490hp yet but we're going to pay the road tax equivalent to 490hp.

However, by the looks of it, the road tax of M3P is only gonna be the equivalent of 460hp (not sure how many kW Tesla Malaysia will declare).
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M3P is paying for 461kW (as declared in the VOC) which is tak betul either.
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Road tax for all Tesla car.

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