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post Nov 1 2023, 06:19 PM

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Just received a call from Tesla mentioning that the delivery of my order will be in early December or possibly earlier. I'm impressed by their speed and efficiency.

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post Nov 24 2023, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(joshgm_119 @ Nov 24 2023, 08:28 AM)
Test drove the Model 3 SR in Cyber yesterday.

Coming off petrol engines with nil prior driving experience or expectations with EV's, its a pleasant surprise.

Cars heavy but feels planted, the acceleration in the SR to me personally is more than enough for urban driving.
Still able to tapau most daily drive cars with ease.

The missing signal stalk - got used to it in a couple of minutes, and by the end of the drive, did not need to look down to get the signals or wipers turned on.
Auto pilot is scary, but as long as paying attention, the car did well, even with the roads being wet and faded lane and shoulder markers on the road.
Regen was - interesting, and I get how people say you can go on and on without touching the brakes ever!

The silence in the cabin is impressive. The double paned glass makes a world of difference.
Turning radius, body roll, steering feel, all are good, and theres a confidence in throwing the car into corners.

The SR audio is decent enough - if not blasting music excessively loud. But then again, I'm no audiophile.

Caveat - having your own charger is a must. Would not consider this if relying on public charging infrastructure.

According to the TA who rode along with me, waiting period for deliveries is expected to change as more markets get this updated model from Jan onwards.
And interestingly claimed that the complimentary wallbox still has units available despite the promo ending on 31 October.
Wonder if anyone else can verify this? Or an attempt at getting me to book the car there and then la  sweat.gif

The only thing I am having trouble wrapping my head around is getting away from the mindset of being able to repair mechanical issues.

Pretty much sold on the car, but only looking to book towards the end of Q1, and take delivery in Q2 2024.
Curious to see if the BYD Seal launches before that and at what price point.

Overall for the price point of the SR, comparing to any other car within a 200k budget, to me its a no brainer.
Personally have no need for the additional motor, enhanced audio and an NMC battery pack which cannot be regularly charged to a 100% for a difference of 29k.
Don't see any other new ICE car being comparable in terms of value.
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Initially I was hesitating between SR and LR but at the end pulled the trigger on LR after some deep thoughts.

The LR has a WLTP range of 678km using the 18-inch wheel and if we were to charge to 80% this thing still has a range of 542km which is similar to the SR at 100% of charge! Moreover, whenever there's a need for a long journey, we can always charge to 100% to get the maximum range, that's flexibility. Don't forget that the LR also has a higher DC charging speed of 250kW than the SR (capable of fully utilizing Tesla Supercharger's 250kW charging).

In addition to the above, the 17-speaker setup, the 4.4s century sprint plus AWD pretty much made this choice a no-brainer at a mere RM29k. In comparison to Model Y, the price gap between the SR and LR is also much smaller for Model 3.

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post Nov 24 2023, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Nov 24 2023, 01:32 PM)
What is the peak charging speed for SR? I didn't know this differences!

The audio system was a deciding point for the LR, and of course the century sprint feeling is superb. After trying the LR, I love the regen braking. I've not tried the SR (SA said only can test one ._.), but I wonder if there would be differences in regen efficiency due to single vs dual motor regen? Perhaps the dual motor has more "braking power" and thus can rely on one pedal driving better.
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The peak charging speed for SR is 170kW.
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post Nov 24 2023, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(Chinoz @ Nov 24 2023, 05:08 PM)
Don’t worry too much about peak charging speeds

Look at the charging curves and you’ll see the peak is only for a small window of SOC.
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Yeah I didn't worry too much about peak charging speed but it's still a nice feature to have (more future proof). I care more about the upgrades on performance, range, speaker & AWD.
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post Dec 1 2023, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Dec 1 2023, 03:57 PM)
Long range is really tempting for the range, power and audio system

But the only thing holding me back (other than budget) is the NMC battery. LFP battery is just better in every aspect when it comes to longevity, especially if u plan to keep the car for long
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The range, power, audio system, DC charging speed & AWD is a no-brainer at a mere RM29k. Just go long range if budget permits.

Initially I was sceptical about the NMC battery too. However, I made the decision to embrace the NMC battery due to below reasons:

1) On paper, LFP battery has way less battery degradation than NMC battery. However, in real life, the degradation of NMC battery on paper is rarely felt by users because its battery life cycle is too long to be able to notice a big degradation.
2) Even if I charge the NMC battery to 80% I still have more or less the same range as the LFP battery and I can always charge to 100% if there's a need for a long journey. That's priceless flexibility.
3) Let's say I'm a user who doesn't care about battery longevity of the NMC battery (charging it to 100% frequently) and the battery degraded to 80% of capacity after 10 years. That's still around the same range of a brand new SR Model 3.

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post Dec 1 2023, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Dec 1 2023, 06:53 PM)
That's true also but the degradation of NMC battery kicks in way earlier than LFP for sure. I'm not a RV guy by any means but lets say in a few years time where the value of an EV is determined by the battery wear, then this will be an important factor

Also the fact that LFP is less prone to fire accidents

https://ecotreelithium.co.uk/news/lithium-nmc-vs-lifepo4/

But anyway both choices are not wrong. Both still offers tremendous value for money. SR itself already can do around 400km+ of real world range, that's enough for almost everyone except those who do a lot of outstation trips to JB or beyond Penang. What we really need now is more DC chargers along PLUS, by then we can slowly forget about range anxiety
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Yes NMC's degradation kicks in way earlier for sure but it has room for degradation in the long term due to the large battery so it definitely still has its plus points.

As for the LFP battery being less prone to fire accident, it is also true but it doesn't mean that NMC battery is prone to fire accident. Similar to the battery degradation, most people won't face fire accident in a NMC battery packed car, let alone a LFP one.

Don't worry about the DC chargers though, Tesla's superchargers are gonna cover major cities along the PLUS highway (still need to exit PLUS though). Based on their speed of implementation so far, I'm sure we will not be waiting for too long for the superchargers in Ipoh and Penang.

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post Dec 14 2023, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Xenopher @ Dec 14 2023, 03:34 PM)
Drove it for a few days now. To my surprise, I got used to the signal buttons and the one-pedal driving within just 1-2 hours of driving, and I have totally no issues switching between the M3 and my other ICE cars.

Purchase/Delivery process was a pain though. But I personally think it's just a temporary problem that will go away naturally, because eventually the number of daily delivery will drop after the initial launch and the advisors/management would gain experience thus better at handling issues.
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Yes exactly, especially the one-pedal drive. Unfortunately for me I'm still getting used to the signal buttons (not a big deal, just that I still need to think or look at the buttons to make sure left or right, poor muscle memory I guess lmao).
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post Dec 14 2023, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Dec 14 2023, 05:00 PM)
Not sure if batch 2 will get HVG tax though. Rumors say it's gonna be 10% over 200k cars.
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There should be an exemption on HVG tax for EV else it kinda defeat the purpose of existing EV policies.
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post Dec 16 2023, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(Lone Wolf X @ Dec 16 2023, 01:45 PM)
Buyers guideline on DIY buying a Tesla From A Tesla Owner

  1. Book through Tesla site (RM 1,000).
  2. Your delivery advisor (DA) will contact you for your first payment, RM 15,000 before sending your order to GigaShanghai.
  3. You can either wait for VIN, or you can already use your Order Agreement to apply for loan if you need one. If you’re applying through Maybank, you can apply HERE (maybank link) and wait for the banker to contact you.
  4. The banker can assist you with the insurance as well. Tesla partners with Maybank, and Maybank works with Etiqa as their insurance partner. You can go with your own choice for bank and insurance. But take note of point no. 7. Once you receive your LOU, email it to your DA.
  5. If you have place a bid for your registration number, email the letter from JPJ as to your DA as well. Or you can just ask them to get a running number. Going through JPJ eBid to bid for your dream number warrants another tutorial.
  6. If you need to interchange your number, ask for K1 form from your DA and get a runner to assist you. Tesla MY (at least one of the DAs provided this runner number - PKT Autoworld (TC Gan) +60 19-384 3388.
  7. Once Tesla updates you with your estimate delivery date, they will provide a final invoice (not necessarily an invoice, they’ll let you know your balance payment through email). Pay the balance and request your motor number from them as you need this for e-hakmilik and insurance cover note release. (Make sure you have already signed your HP agreement at this point).
  8. Whatever documents related to registration, just email them to your DA. They have a tendency to ask for one document at a time, even a day before your supposed delivery day.
  9. From us 1st batch experiencing Tesla Malaysia’s delivery process, they register your car a day before delivery. Try to confirm with your DA again on your delivery date closer to the said date.
  10. You can try to monitor your myJPJ app to see if your car has been registered (your road tax will appear on the app). This can happen really really close to your delivery date (if your delivery session is in the afternoon, they might even get your car registered in the morning. They’re really trust their runner I guess lol).
  11. As per my personal experience, things are smooth if you’re not doing interchange. My road tax and registration appeared on my myJPJ app a day before my delivery day, and I didn’t bother to reconfirm if my delivery is happening. Well of you’re car is registered, there shouldn’t be any more issue. Just go pick up your car when the time comes.
  12. Try to come early, they’re quite punctual.
Document checklist:

  1. Receipt for first payment (RM 15,000)
  2. LOU
  3. Document related to your registration number (letter from JPJ for your winning bid/interchange related documents)
  4. Receipt for balance payment
  5. E-hakmilik
  6. Insurance cover note
  7. Your IC

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Strangely the downpayment of RM15k was not applicable to me. I got both my VIN and motor number before paying anything to Tesla.
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post Dec 21 2023, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Lone Wolf X @ Dec 20 2023, 03:45 PM)
HotshotS & Xenopher care to help and answer this question?
What is your experience on the diffrent payment amount and also at which stage is the payment made?
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My experience was exactly the same as Xenopher

QUOTE(Xenopher @ Dec 20 2023, 07:52 PM)
I believe the balance payment here refers to the payment to be made to Tesla after deducting the hire purchase amount?

In my case, the payment was made a few days before my delivery date, and it was on my own initiative (I called my DA multiple times to chase for the final amount to pay and to get their account number).
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post Dec 22 2023, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(Lone Wolf X @ Dec 22 2023, 11:18 AM)
More owners are taking long trips with easy charging plus in car navigation.  rclxms.gif
Here is the Gentari charging station at Petronas Jalan Sultan Azlan Shah, Ipoh.  thumbsup.gif
https://maps.app.goo.gl/ujDPfAdYiaMMWo3K9

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What a poor quality censor lmao! Anyway that was a nice upgrade by Gentari. I charged there 12 days ago it was not sheltered and it was hot af in the afternoon under the scorching sun.
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post Feb 22 2024, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 22 2024, 11:00 AM)
fuh byd seal under rm200k for performance. really want to fight with m3 huh
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BYD have no choice other than pricing it lower than Tesla in order to compete. Just look at the price difference (between Atto 3 & Seal) between China and Malaysia.

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post Feb 24 2024, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(ForgotPassword @ Feb 24 2024, 01:19 AM)
I have zero considerations for Tesla after the price is revealed… as you said the design wise seal wins although that is personal preference. Signal stalk alone win liao.

Slower charging not a concern since I will charge at home overnight.
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I'm glad that I picked Model 3 over Seal:

1) Seal's ancient AC charging speed of 7kw (15.2 hours from 0-100%) is a big no no to me. Imagine sleeping 10 hours at night and the battery is still not fully charged when you wake up the next morning.

2) Tesla has a superior charging network, integrated into the car's map.

3) The software experiences are miles apart. Tesla's offerings are more matured and refined.

3) Zero cost and zero hassle of sending the car in for scheduled servicing.

4) Model 3 is much lighter (as much as 300+ kg) and therefore has a better handling.
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post Mar 25 2024, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 23 2024, 09:50 PM)
Those using LR what is the consumption when driving at 140-150km/h at highway?
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I usually drive around 140-150km/h on PLUS highway and the consumption is around 180wh/km which is pretty good for me.
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post Mar 25 2024, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Wildcat @ Mar 25 2024, 03:23 PM)
Taboo topic.
For you current owners ya, what's your take on the battery replacement strategy ya?
Tesla claims that its EVs batteries can last between 300,000 to 500,000 miles.. which translate to 500,000 to 800,000 km by our standards.

For me none of my car ever exceed 150,000 km before i change car(s).

But wondering what is the general opinion here?
yeah yeah, i also read that the battery tech. will probably improved in the coming years, like them getting cheaper or just replace/refurbished part of the battery instead of a 1-1 replacement.

So just use it and worry later or be prepare to fork out 50-60k MYR to replace it eventually when it died a decade or so later..
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Just use it and you don't even need to worry later because more often than not the battery will only degrade over the years instead of just dying out of the blue. Maybe after a decade or so the battery capacity is left at 70% but it's still more than usable!

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post Apr 24 2024, 05:39 PM

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If you're a car enthusiast then the extra 24k (3.1s, 262 km/h, adaptive dampers, 20 inch rims, performance brakes with red calipers, bucket seat, sportier chassis, track mode customization, carbon fiber spoiler & interior) are worth every penny.

However, if you're just a normal driver then the long range version should suffice. 4.4s are still insane numbers for regular Joes and there is the advantage of the extra 150km of range (by using 18 inch photon wheels) or 101km of range (by using 19 inch nova wheels).

Now can't wait for Tesla to announce the acceleration boost package for the long range version hopefully in the not too distant future!

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post Apr 25 2024, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 25 2024, 07:56 AM)
AB probably costs RM10,000... RM24k - RM10k... gap is only 14k now LOL. Minus 19" nova... Goes down to RM6,500...

M3P price in Malaysia is a steal! AB would come probably after Tesla milked the M3P sales or perhaps eventually released FOC? Anyways something doesn't quite add up.

M3LR declared 366kW motor = 490hp (based on original model 3, that is with AB. Without AB is about 390hp).
M3P declared 460hp ~ 343kW... less roadtax than M3LR!? I feeling kena con liao  laugh.gif I'm guessing the M3P motor sustains max horsepower faster and longer time period than the M3LR.

Only exception is, if you need that extra range from LR to avoid stopping during your travels... then the LR is worth it over the P.

Meh, kena mute all the groups now  whistling.gif next car next car....
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Yes the horsepower of the M3P is confusing af but I'm guessing that it's the increased torque that improves the century sprint figures to 3.1s from 4.4s (723nm vs 493nm). Hopefully JPJ doesn't make things difficult for Tesla to roll out acceleration boost in Malaysia in the future.

Improving the century sprint figures from 4.4s to somewhere around 3.8s would be a sweet consolation for not being able to get M3P!
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post Apr 26 2024, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Lone Wolf X @ Apr 26 2024, 09:36 AM)
Harga sudah turun!!!

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Now the price difference between long range and performance is more like it. If the long range version stays at 218k while the performance version is selling at 242k then it makes little sense considering the sweet upgrades on the performance version for a difference of just 24k.

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post Apr 27 2024, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(sansaboy @ Apr 26 2024, 10:26 PM)
Ya,now the LR are make sense again
Long time ago Tesla USA have so call m3P stealth version

Performance with 18' tyre

This is perfect setup for me

I really dislike 20' tyre
puncture and rim problem
Very difficult to find tyre
Very expensive tyre
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True, that might be one of the reasons why Tesla China opted for a 19' wheel set up for their Model 3 Performance.
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post May 23 2024, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(jimcarrey @ May 23 2024, 01:14 PM)
Where's the best place to charge just before going uphill to Cameron?
Near Simpang Pulai especially.
Plan to not charge it in Cameron for 3 days 2 night, then come down and charge again (got the downhill regen summore)
Do share if anyone have similar experience. Thx.
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Unfortunately there aren't any charging stations near Simpang Pulai but you can try charging at Gentari@Petronas Sultan Azlan Shah or ChargeSini@Festival Walk (both are nearby and of 60kW DC chargers).

For my Model 3 LR, going uphill all the way to Brinchang from Simpang Pulai only uses approximately around 26-30% of charge and going downhill from Brinchang to Simpang Pulai only uses approximately around 4-6% of charge. So logically speaking, starting your journey with around 70% of charge is more than enough.

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