Counter-offensive begins?

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 6 2023, 12:05 PM

zaporizhzhia has always been ukrainian. why would they assault their own city?

do you mean "from" zaporizhzia?

16 tanks?
Ouch

i havent see yet leopard in action.

Ok Ukelang is winning. Common man

As in the article: "near the Town of Novodarivka in the Zaporizhia Region"

novodarivka should be SE of Pokrovsk.

rechecked. just in the border between zaporizhzhia and donetsk region. ok, noted.

This post has been edited by takbodoh722: Jun 5 2023, 04:30 PM

Brutal fighting. The Ukrainians are getting slaughtered by the Russian artillery.

ukraine not offensive and assault, they are defensive and safeguarding from invaders

Meanwhile, Russia also claimed some advances north in Kharkiv oblast

ulu klang start offensive liao meh?

Also Pro-russian sources say another axis of attack have been launched by Ukraine

should be multi prong. The murican leaks showed at least 8 brigades.

For now the Russian lines still hold firm. We'll see how it goes in the next day or two I guess.

those are the kill zone Russia setup, the moment Ukraine do any offensive attack, the Russian army can repel them. Even there is F-16 also useless, because F-16 has short fighting range and also even with 70 of them won't change the tide if Russia really go all in

This post has been edited by Avex: Jun 5 2023, 04:46 PM

RuAF useless though. mainly arty fight.

actually RuAF is not useless.
it just that both sides have layered air defense that is too risky for any aircraft to do ground support role.

i had hope the counter offensive has started but i doubt that it is, more like localized probing force.

we are talking about 9 bridages, prizgoshin said 72,000 soldiers.

edit: i assumed that we are talking about russia air force

This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 5 2023, 05:03 PM

Let's die for murika...

i wonder how the russian military command is going to react if the flow of information is really bloating all the way to the top...

like what a probing force end up being confuse as a battalion level strike force, hence reinforcement is immediately deploy to there.

layered AD can be penetrated. RuAF (yes, Russian) have a clear lack of CAS capability. more doctrinal than equipment issue.

how many ethnic russians were killed before the war started?

yes it can but it be costly, military aircrafts are costly and take time to make, training capable pilots for it is a whole level of complications.

i think we can agree that on both sides, CAS is now relegated to drones units, cheaper, not much danger to operators, and easily replaced.

They invade using what?

DJI drones strap with DIY grenade is it?

Janji ada wayang to show.

lol don't look down on those...
they have been used extensively on both sides to a great degree of effectiveness.

Vids/pics of losses start to trickle in

That pro-russian Twitter user is talking shit,

It is "damaged" not destroyed, it is repairable certainly not destroyed.

Just like the Patriot.

thats not what putin/russian tell when they start the invasion. dont simply change goalpost like a bodo wumao that always twist history.

This post has been edited by YH1234: Jun 5 2023, 05:43 PM

Huh? wtf?

"Goddamit Gerasimov, you're the Chief-of-Staff of the Armed Forces, not a lieutenant!"

Anyway, whoever ordered these MRAPs to go off-road deserves to be shot.

this i agree.
a high ranking commander should not go near the front lines especially when your enemy has better intel than you.

the town Neckushne is the one that the MRAP is heading to?
most likely recovered if what the russian telegram channels saying is true about capture of the town.

i wonder what is the actual losses?

Let's see how well the shovels can do this time.

brutal...

salute the mouth guy


pain level 3 only he said

nato trained

This post has been edited by ps3 fanboy: Jun 5 2023, 07:17 PM

Rumors abound in pro-russian circles that two Ukrainian Leopard tanks have already been destroyed, 1 by artillery and 1 ran over an AT mine.

tered talk cock lancap syok sendiri both sides

How come shovels can be so explosive

there is a lot if happenings across the frontline.
most of the reports are coming from russian telegram channels. almost all sections of the frontlines are active.

we can probably expect this week will be the most eventful.

que hell march music

The dam supplies the water used for supply water to Crimea and Southern Ukraine and also water for cooling the reactors of the Zhaporizhia nuclear powerplant. Previous tweets have said that due to neglected maintenance, the dam is currently on a 30-year high water level.

This could cause huge problems.



This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 6 2023, 12:02 PM

Ukraine need to do whatever it take to get US (& NATO) to be involved 'directly' in the war.

US can't do that coz the old man need to win election next year.

where is west top tier MBT? roll out already? or still google for manual?

Russian MOD claim they destroyed EIGHT already

Even I have huge problem believing that

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 6 2023, 02:23 PM

Not only does this action severely endanger the Zhaporizhia nuclear powerplant, the hydro powerplant housed inside the dam also would be practically useless, making the power grid in Ukraine even more fragile.

Possible effect of the destroyed dam:

1) Flooding of Russian initial defensive lines and minefileds near the river areas downstream

2) Drop in water supply to Crimea via the Crimean canal

3) May disrupt inflow of reactor coolant water to Zhaporizhia nuclear powerplant

4) More frequent disturbances to regional power grid and brownouts

5) Drop in water level upstream, easier for Ukraine to do amphibious invasion across the Dniepr?




This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 6 2023, 02:42 PM

there is some discussion that this is done by russian side.

Ukraine lacks amphibious ability to transport large troops across the river without getting blown and shot at.

any.large scale offensive will be likely through land and this incident will make the land area available even more narrow to reach Crimea.

but could be due to mismanagement and damage from last year explosion.
the damn was reported to be very full at the time of breaking and locals so far did not report any explosion or loud sound.




This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 6 2023, 02:51 PM

any ukraine attack on kherson oblast will be almost unlikely because of the flooding in kherson.
wonder russian will hit the dam in kyiv for retaliation?

Russia already control the dam and the water locks tho. If they want to do something like that it would probably be in a controlled manner, not by blowing the dam.

Plus according to topography maps, the Russian side of the river is lower in elevation so flooding would affect the Russian defence line more, which the Russians have invested considerable time preparing up to now.

This would also reduce flow to the Crimean canal which was blocked by Ukraine in 2014 and was recently restored by Russia.

As I stated above, Russia has a lot more to lose in the destruction of the dam.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 6 2023, 03:04 PM

this is just me but i think the ability to disrupt, slow down, affect Ukrainian counter offensive, especially towards Crimea, take precedence over trenches, dragon teeth, and especially lack of manpower to defend them.

plus having less lands to defend means it will be more consolidated than having a bigger frontline.

this is just my logic, i could be wrong and maybe the Ukrainians did have a lot of means to cross river.

just to add Crimea use to have no water from canals until Feb 2022 so not so critical.

i am surprised no video of the dam at the point of breaking comes out, usually these videos are very quickly posted.

So ukraine and russia both fucked by the dam?

Since russia cant capture kyiv

Y not

even before the dam exploded it be unlikely as Ukrainian have no able to shown they are capable of large river crossing operations.

and if send trickle of troops across at one time, it probably be a suicide mission.

edit.
but i think this dam flooding is a bane to both sides.

This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 6 2023, 03:37 PM

Looks like the Russians took out a good number of Ukrainian tanks and other armored vehicles, I see around 10-11 either destroyed or abandoned

Russian sources say Ukraine army currently heavily attacking Melitopol region with an estimated force of 14 brigades with 90 tanks and 18k+ infantry!

Thiught they already managed to liberate and form Belogorod Peoples Republic?

Forbes has an article also mention no where the main force is seen, so far majority of the battles conducted across all the frontlines are IFV and/or 1 or 2 tanks.

as if waiting and prodding for a breach.

edit
i wonder where is the main force. you cannot really hide tons of tanks and vehicles from satellite 🛰️

This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 8 2023, 08:43 AM

you guys make your own conclusion.

This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 8 2023, 08:46 AM

actually end of the day what does russia want from this war?

land grab ?
change ukraine govt?

more like change ukraine govt to pro-russia govt, just like before Euromaidan...

in my humble opinion,

65% land grab
- resources rich regions.
- bring back glory of soviet era.

15% NATO deterrent (failed badly as how Finland is now next door NATO)
- buffer states between russia and NATO. as russia has been invaded many times through history.
- creating a vassal state in Ukraine like belarus.

15% secure land bridge for Crimea.
- also securing the entire northern area of black sea.
- security for the naval port Sevastopol.

1% denazification
1% defending russian natives outside of russia (LRP/DPR)
1% defending russian language
1% chemical weapons
1% etc etc

This post has been edited by chaosneo: Jun 8 2023, 09:09 AM

but now looking at current and up to date
doesnt seems like change ukraine govt

more like land grab

i dun see any plan of russia RETURN all the land captured

i thought russia said is not about land grab? is about change ukraine govt?


waiting pro russia macai to come in defend

expensive mini drones USD195k

Russian sources say Russian Aerospace Force strike planes and attack helicopters are being deployed non-stop all along the front to try and contain Ukrainian assaults.

The Ukrainians are literally trying to commit to a large-scale ground offensive with no air cover whatsoever.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 8 2023, 11:02 AM

Russia should just take over Ukraine, put it up as autonomous region.

Whoo nice!!!! Hopefully got some fireworks

They are brave... See what happens...

It's fake of course.

You won't see just smoke... This is how a destroyed leo2 looks like. It's embarrassing.....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53...ssed-Syria.html

From what I know/read, the region already do referendum to join back to russia, that why call special operation? the west part of ukraina mostly pro russia and russian speaker include odessa. the people are being oppressed included the military then create separatist, then mother rassia came to save her child and bring them back.

invade and do referendum

i see

Russian Telegram is buzzing with the rumor that the first bounty on western armor has been claimed, reportedly an M2 Bradley IFV

Russia reports that they destroyed 4 Bradleys before any even arrived in Ukraine.

You listen to Russian war reports, you bodo tahap gaban.

This post has been edited by arubin: Jun 8 2023, 05:37 PM

Awesome....

Oh nice......

By the looks of things, there will most likely be photo/video evidence this time

A reminder that back when Ukraine declared independence from Russia, the results from Crimea were actually in favor of being independent from Russia.

That area is only pro Russia since the 2014 invasion with the Ukrainians fleeing and more Russians moving in.

So don't bullshit me about Russia saving anyone. You're not fooling anyone.

Note: Wow I never realized how the M113 was so perfectly rectangular

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Jun 8 2023, 05:51 PM

just be patience,
no offensive against a peer to peer will not incur losses.

it would be naive to expect that Ukrainian probing attacks won't incur losses but the good thing is, some of these probing attacks actually broke through and capture territory as claim on russian telegram channels.

while Ukrainian is in tight OPSEC and the russian media is ablaze with panic, we probably see some changes by end of this week.

Again, this war totally broke my trust of people on socmed drawing large arrows on maps

as well as people who post from sources who has history of using fake or edited images.

Shouldnt that have been the however many leopards that got destroyed?

What I mean it's that back in January, Russia already claimed they destroyed 4 Bradleys. US only just announced going to supply. None have arrived yet, yet 4 destroyed already.

Russian weapons so advanced they can traverse time & space. Scared or not?