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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines

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bengm2019
post Jun 8 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 5 2023, 04:13 PM)

Counter-offensive begins? ohmy.gif
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Whoo nice!!!! Hopefully got some fireworks

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post Jun 8 2023, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 8 2023, 10:58 AM)
Russian sources say Russian Aerospace Force strike planes and attack helicopters are being deployed non-stop all along the front to try and contain Ukrainian assaults.

The Ukrainians are literally trying to commit to a large-scale ground offensive with no air cover whatsoever. ohmy.gif
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They are brave... See what happens...
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post Jun 8 2023, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 8 2023, 08:37 AM)
you guys make your own conclusion.




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It's fake of course.

You won't see just smoke... This is how a destroyed leo2 looks like. It's embarrassing.....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53...ssed-Syria.html



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post Jun 8 2023, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 7 2023, 08:02 PM)
Looks like the Russians took out a good number of Ukrainian tanks and other armored vehicles, I see around 10-11 either destroyed or abandoned

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Awesome....
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post Jun 8 2023, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 8 2023, 05:13 PM)
Russian Telegram is buzzing with the rumor that the first bounty on western armor has been claimed, reportedly an M2 Bradley IFV

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Oh nice......
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post Jun 9 2023, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Jun 9 2023, 03:20 AM)
reports of the first loss of a leopard tank


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Kind of expected..... Leopard 2 A4 is obsolete. The armour cannot withstand modern atgms.... That's why Germany has to resort to adding more armour to it... Those shipped to Ukraine not such add-on.
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post Jun 9 2023, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 9 2023, 01:58 PM)
I think at this time at least the wreckages would be in front of the Russian positions, would it not?
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Will need some time to recover them and put them on display. But yes, will be done... Just like Ukraine displaying those destroyed Russia ta ks in Kiev....

Russia used to display capture German tanks in Moscow during ww2 too...haha.
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post Jun 9 2023, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jun 9 2023, 01:51 PM)
post the wreckage pics then since the defenders are russian and the destroyed stuff be in russian held territory
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Wait lar.. need time to salvage them, then ship them to moscow for display.

Anyway, Ukraine is not expected to do well... They literally go ahead with offensive without any air support.

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post Jun 9 2023, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jun 9 2023, 02:02 PM)
destroyed and captured are two diff things
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Well, you can still capture a badly damaged tank, repair it and put it on display... Destroyed doesn't mean it cannot be salvaged and repaired...

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post Jun 9 2023, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 8 2023, 11:08 PM)
Unopposed by any serious air and ground-based air defences, Russian strike planes and attack helicopters launched incessant attacks on Ukrainian battlefield targets and supply lines.
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That's the biggest problem Ukraine has now.... No air support....
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post Jun 9 2023, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 9 2023, 02:06 PM)
Until now there are no reports of any Ukrainian breakthrough of the Russian defensive lines. If I'm not mistaken all of the fighting now occurs on the so-called 'grey zone', the no man's land between both sides.

Any Ukrainian losses would be either still among Ukrainian lines or inaccessible in the grey zone.
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Ukraine will have very very hard time making any advances... Very hard..

Ukraine has no air cover to take out Russia artillery and other positions. No doubt they have himars but attacking russian when they are on a defensive position is totally different compared to them attacking.
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post Jun 9 2023, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Jun 9 2023, 02:10 PM)
even history legends also no updates on the battlefield cos then situation is very dynamic i guess, alot happening between both sides
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Won't have for a while...... I don't foresee any breakthroughs anytime soon, if ever.... No air cover to soften enemy positions... Himars can help but not enough. Artillery also not enough.

Russians simply pounding Ukraine with arty once they get within range... Nothing to take out those arty.

Then nothing much left to take out those russian planes and helicopters too...


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post Jun 9 2023, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jun 5 2023, 04:59 PM)
RuAF useless though. mainly arty fight.
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Still useful for precision missile attacks. They yet to carry out high altitude aerial bombing though....
Imagine dozens of tu95 doing carpet bombing.....wow....

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post Jun 9 2023, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 9 2023, 02:16 PM)
For now I would guess no solid, confirmable proof of losses.

Socmed does have a lot of drone vids/pics of Ukrainian armor being destroyed, but if you're asking for pics accounting for wrecks on the ground, there's probably none right now.
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I don't expect high losses for Russia side right now. Back then Russia losses high esp. for tanks because Ukraine can easily take them out when hiding..

But now Ukraine is facing these tanks head on.
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post Jun 9 2023, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 9 2023, 02:40 PM)
this is the question.
how large is considered large?

and no way we can ascertain the losses but one thing we can ascertain is the ferocious of the battle across the few concentration point is especially strong.

there is day battles as well as reportedly night battles as well.
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How many leopard 2 and Bradley does Ukraine has?? Only a handful of leopard 2s (20-30 max)... So losing 1 is a big deal.
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post Jun 9 2023, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Jun 9 2023, 09:53 PM)
"Meh, probably some mock up L2 & Bradley" - UAtard

Mana boleh modern west MBT kena tiao by soviet-era toys manned by noob zergling that have 0 war exp right? right?
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Maybe everything used by Ukraine are mockups... They got no real weapons at all....lol
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post Jun 9 2023, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 9 2023, 09:29 PM)
How dare u doubt the supremacy of western armor?
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Haha... Those idiots think their tanks are superior...
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post Jun 10 2023, 07:32 AM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Jun 9 2023, 10:38 PM)
Learn from usa how to do it properly


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That one is only when enemy has barely any planes and sam/spaags etc...


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post Jun 10 2023, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 10 2023, 07:49 AM)
Another good night of hunting Ukrainian armor by KA-52 Alligators

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Looks really fun picking out those vehicles... It's like playing computer game....
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post Jun 10 2023, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 10 2023, 11:15 PM)

A dense minefield lay between the Ukrainians and their objective. And the Ukrainians knew it. They deployed at least one IMR-2 engineering vehicle and a Leopard 2R breaching vehicle in the hope of plowing away the mines and clearing a path for at least a company of 47th Brigade M-2A2 Bradleys and some attached Leopard 2A6s from the 33rd Brigade.

The engineers failed—either because the minefield was too dense or Russian helicopters or artillery interrupted their efforts to clear the mines. In short order, the IMR-2, a rare Leopard 2A6 and as many as nine Bradleys piled up, out in the open. Exposed, under fire and taking damage, the surviving crews and passengers bailed out—and took their dead and wounded with them.

But it’s a setback. And a potentially serious one if the Ukrainians can’t recover and repair some of the damaged vehicles. Ukraine’s allies so far have pledged to the war effort just 21 long-gun Leopard 2A6s and 109 missile-armed M-2s. The 33rd Brigade-47th Brigade battlegroup lost much as five percent of each vehicle consignment in a single morning.

Context is important. Breaches are the most difficult and usually costliest phase of any armored offensive. What we’re observing near Mala Tokmachka could be one of the most painful battles of this phase of Russia’s 15-month wider war on Russia—for both sides. But especially for the attacking Ukrainians.
Note: This article is published 18 hours ago. Numbers of Ukrainian losses have certainly gone up since then.
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Haha, I already that said Ukraine cannot afford such losses. 21 leopard 2a6.... It's completely useless....

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