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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines

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bengm2019
post Jun 20 2023, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 20 2023, 07:41 AM)
Sources say Russian offensive into Kupyansk is being spearheaded by 76th VDV

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Counter counter offensive .... The. Ukraine will need to counter the counter counter offensive.....

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I see this war has degenerated to the level of people are putting Kornet missiles on motorcycles laugh.gif


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post Jun 20 2023, 08:30 AM

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post Jun 20 2023, 09:11 AM

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WW3 lai lai

The Russian Air Force has been constrained - to some degree - by the provision of modern Western air defence systems; however, since the start of Ukraine's counteroffensive, the Russian Air Force has increased dramatically its sortie rate and effectiveness.

However, Ukraine does not have the air power capability to dominate the skies and is obliged to conduct its much-anticipated counteroffensive without effective air support.

However, the Russians can operate over southeast Ukraine with relative impunity and are supporting their land colleagues with a selection of glide munitions that enable the Russian fighters to remain a safe distance from the Ukrainian air defence systems.

So, would the earlier provision of F-16s to Ukraine from the West have made a difference?

In short- no.

The Russian Air Force could decimate a small number of autonomous ageing F-16s, thus destroying Ukraine's fledgling air power capability almost overnight and emboldening the Russian military.

The only credible way to provide Ukraine with the air capability required for this year's offensive would be for the West to intervene and commit Western assets - and crews - to the conflict.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 20 2023, 09:11 AM)
WW3 lai lai

The Russian Air Force has been constrained - to some degree - by the provision of modern Western air defence systems; however, since the start of Ukraine's counteroffensive, the Russian Air Force has increased dramatically its sortie rate and effectiveness.

However, Ukraine does not have the air power capability to dominate the skies and is obliged to conduct its much-anticipated counteroffensive without effective air support.

However, the Russians can operate over southeast Ukraine with relative impunity and are supporting their land colleagues with a selection of glide munitions that enable the Russian fighters to remain a safe distance from the Ukrainian air defence systems.

So, would the earlier provision of F-16s to Ukraine from the West have made a difference?

In short- no.

The Russian Air Force could decimate a small number of autonomous ageing F-16s, thus destroying Ukraine's fledgling air power capability almost overnight and emboldening the Russian military.

The only credible way to provide Ukraine with the air capability required for this year's offensive would be for the West to intervene and commit Western assets - and crews - to the conflict.

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That's just wishful thinking.

NATO crews have no need to join when Ukrainian crews can be trained. The US already assessed that Ukrainians can be trained much faster than they originally projected.

It's true that Russia has relatively better operating conditions down south, but that's about it. Both sides cannot achieve control of the skies. It's contested because both sides are bristling with anti air missiles and MANPADs. It's not going to be airforce vs airforce, but airforce vs ground force for majority of the engagements. In terms of tech, Russians have a slight edge with BVR as long as AMRAAMs and their ilk are not fielded. Once F16s get into the picture, it's roughly parity (still slight advantage to the Russians paper spec wise for AvA BVR) but i believe they will mostly stay out of each others way unless they really have to. We won't see much increase in dogfights even with F16s IMHO, but with AMRAAMs, the deterrent factor for Russia to take out Ukrainian air assets at BVR will increase. What Western planes like F16 really bring to the table is enhanced operability and integration with Western weapons, which bring new and enhanced strike capabilities: JASSM, JSOW, Harpoons, HARM etc. Just look at the pain the Russians have now with Storm Shadow and multiply that.


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This village has reportedly changed hands at least 5 times in the last 48 hours


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Russian offensive in Kupyansk and Kreminna confirmed by ISW. They also report on Russian gains in the offensive.


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State of the Bundeswehr

Germany's armed forces only have around 20,000 high explosive artillery shells left, magazine Der Spiegel wrote on Monday citing confidential defence ministry papers prepared to convince the budget committee of the need for urgent purchases.

Countries like Germany have rushed to send supplies of 155mm artillery rounds used by howitzers to Ukraine in the wake of its invasion by Russia in February 2022, running down stocks for their own defence.

Germany's military needs to build up an inventory of some 230,000 shells by 2031 to comply with NATO goals to have enough artillery to withstand 30 days of intensive combat, Der Spiegel wrote.

The defence ministry did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

The ministry aims to present the budget committee with nine contracts for the accelerated purchase of artillery and tank ammunition in coming months, Der Spiegel wrote.



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Russian ATGM gunners annihilates a Ukrainian armored column. Explosions run through the entire line.

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DPR news reporter surveys the area of the Ukrainian offensive in Novodonetsk with the pro-Russian 'Kazkad' militia group


Footage of the same set of vehicles taken by a pro-russian militiaman


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Chechen forces of the 'Akhmat' group prepare to be deployed to the Donetsk region


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well both sides is busy launching ATGM at each other but Ukrainian media is better, got clarity and color.



QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 20 2023, 05:21 PM)
Russian ATGM gunners annihilates a Ukrainian armored column. Explosions run through the entire line.

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post Jun 20 2023, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 20 2023, 09:17 PM)
well both sides is busy launching ATGM at each other but Ukrainian media is better, got clarity and color.


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Wow, looks awesome.
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 20 2023, 09:45 AM)
That's just wishful thinking.

NATO crews have no need to join when Ukrainian crews can be trained. The US already assessed that Ukrainians can be trained much faster than they originally projected.

It's true that Russia has relatively better operating conditions down south, but that's about it. Both sides cannot achieve control of the skies. It's contested because both sides are bristling with anti air missiles and MANPADs. It's not going to be airforce vs airforce, but airforce vs ground force for majority of the engagements. In terms of tech, Russians have a slight edge with BVR as long as AMRAAMs and their ilk are not fielded. Once F16s get into the picture, it's roughly parity (still slight advantage to the Russians paper spec wise for AvA BVR) but i believe they will mostly stay out of each others way unless they really have to. We won't see much increase in dogfights even with F16s IMHO, but with AMRAAMs, the deterrent factor for Russia to take out Ukrainian air assets at BVR will increase. What Western planes like F16 really bring to the table is enhanced operability and integration with Western weapons, which bring new and enhanced strike capabilities: JASSM, JSOW, Harpoons, HARM etc. Just look at the pain the Russians have now with Storm Shadow and multiply that.
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Where do you propose that these jets will operate??? Ukraine do not have any airfield that could operate these f16 planes.... Not to mention Russia has ability to strike anywhere in Ukraine...
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 20 2023, 06:52 PM)
Lol!!!
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QUOTE(bengm2019 @ Jun 20 2023, 11:25 PM)
Where do you propose that these jets will operate??? Ukraine do not have any airfield that could operate these f16 planes.... Not to mention Russia has ability to strike anywhere in Ukraine...
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Your news outdated liao. The available Ukrainian airfields have already been assessed as adequate.

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