Was referring to Bakhmut where is was alleged that Russia (who were attacking) had a 8:1 loss ratio against a defending Ukraine. That logic suddenly not applicable here, I see.

Tank-hunting helicopter team

Seriously, I don't know why they are so surprised by it.... Its like they have no idea what apaches/cobras were built to do.....

To them, the Urkaine troops are simply expendable "things".....

Of course can repair.... But its going to take time. ITs not like today bomb and 1hr later repaired.

Then with so many SAMs needed to protect key infrastructres, not able to deploy to frontline.

Of course, the F16s will also need to look out for russian SAMs. ITs not like they are invincible.....

Btw failed?? I keep seeing destruction posted online and in news... If those SAMs did their jobs, no structures should be damaged/destroyed.

Even biggest joke is that Ukraine head of intelligence or something? Thats guy died during a misisle attack....oopps....

This post has been edited by bengm2019: Jun 21 2023, 10:29 AM

6 to 24 actually, depending on usage need and resources.

Considered a comprehensive strategic failure. The Ukrainians only became more angry and unafraid. No one froze to death. The Europeans and Americans accelerated their aid, especially Air defence equipment, which also proved capable of shooting down the allegedly "unstoppable" Kinzhals, thus undermining any future potential sales of the weapon while increasing the reputation and demand for Patriots worldwide that Lockheed had to more than double their production.

The main issue here is that the offensive is executed without the benefit of friendly air cover. If the offensive operated under one, it would have minimized the effects of Russian air units.

For now, Russian ground attack planes and attack helicopters are operating virtually at will on the offensive forces.

the joke is that theyre shooting themselves in the feet hard after they have been parading in media that russian equipment are pieces of junk since soviet era and barely functioning, being held on by the spirit of Stalin or something

but it makes the opposition more of a joke that they as NATO's best trained army kenot even defeat the "incompetent" "ammo-less" "morale starved" russian army

the russians soldiers certainly look better equip than the tons of russians POW throughout the last two weeks that was captured.

nice, must be fun hiding under a rock for past 1yr despite all the west media saying this and that about russian army

kek okay ill bite. so 2 KA-52 downed/damaged, then what? russian army to fold over and return to russia? and if they were effective how come they havent pushed russian back during counteroffensives as planned? they wanted Crimea by summer as well. cant really take Crimea without pushing all the way to Azov sea

i see you as a far more reasonable person for discussion even though you support the opposing side so no need to go all defensive about it.

while in the short term i don't think UA has able to solve the KA-52 8KM+ ATGM capabilities without bringing in some mobile AD cause Manpads just can't reach that far.

unlike the Kharkiv / Kherson offensive,
russians have been able to build up layers of defensive lines as you also said i think, these lines of defense are somewhat functional too.

anyone who expect this to be a rapid takeover is being ignorant whichever side they are part of.

i would say effective is because even with a few month of training, they are undertaking a combined arms offensive action that i am sure any military experts can say it is not easy, ESPECIALLY, without air cover. it takes a lot of willpower, discipline, and determination to actually perform offensive action under enemy fire, artillery, mortars and navigating minefield.

can you quote to me who exactly said "wanted Crimea by summer" cause i want to LOL at that person too.

there is no support of this team that team like some sports game. my very stance from beginning is this is a foolish war that Ukraine & NATO has provoked Russia into. it serves no purpose on both sides than to aggravate situations

UA cant solve the mobile AD issue cause RU has been degrading their capability months ago. thats why the KA52 are having such free reign now.

ask budanov then
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/0...boss-interview/

well Budanov optimism deserve a LOL then.
also i don't think Ukraine can take back Crimea by force as i believe this war will end in a meeting room with concessions given depending on the outcome of the battlefield.

the article quoted here:
Budanov’s forecast for this year is that Russia will focus on occupying more territory in the eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions. A renewed offensive from its forces stationed north of Ukraine, in Belarus, is unlikely, he said, and just an attempt to distract and divide Kyiv’s troops. He also said that “we must do everything to ensure that Crimea returns home by summer.”


i do agree that this is a foolish war but i don't agree who started provoking it first and i do agree NATO not exactly blameless.

yes, i think UA is having trouble with the KA-52 and i am not even sure if those mobile AD can hit targets like hover above treeline many kilometers away blurring between radar ping and landscape.

A few months of military training will get you nothing but basic infantry training at most, no matter what the source of training is. It is accepted wisdom that fully training an infantryman takes 2 years, you just physically cannot overcome that if you want a real fully-trained soldier.

A few months training is probably enough for training reservists and territorial defence units, but probably not enough for front-line assault troopers.

Moreover the Ukrainians themselves insisted that the NATO-trained brigades be staffed with fresh recruits with no previous military training so as that the Brigades would 'not be tainted by Soviet style training'.

yeah so best thing now is to negotiate a ceasefire and peace treaty since ed went down deep this rabbit hole. dont go later to the route of unconditional, which sucks balls

Crimea is impossible to retake ed and considered a lost cause. RU will not let go of Crimea too as too strategic for their Black Sea Fleet

US keep saying it is unprovoked war. lol dai sohai believe them