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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines

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post Jun 19 2023, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(bengm2019 @ Jun 19 2023, 06:29 PM)
Don't look real to me... Looks more like those early stage Ukraine videos....
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Its airsoft training
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post Jun 19 2023, 08:13 PM

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its shooting air only. great actors are taking cue.

QUOTE(Raddus @ Jun 19 2023, 07:16 PM)
Its airsoft training
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i am like 50% yes 50% no, cause a lot of weapons doesn't exist in WW2.
especially FPV drones, soldiers in trench is like target 🎯 practice for these.

QUOTE(marfccy @ Jun 19 2023, 04:26 PM)
still extremely formidable, put yourself in the shoes of the soldiers who are tasked to assault these. there are so many levels of disadvantages via infantry that makes you question how to do it in first place

why else you see both UA/RU sides progress are always minute especially when going on offensives? cause both sides employ same tactic of deep defense
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 19 2023, 08:16 PM)
i am like 50% yes 50% no, cause a lot of weapons doesn't exist in WW2.
especially FPV drones, soldiers in trench is like target 🎯 practice for these.
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yes but the thing people kept forgetting is that there are countermeasures for these drones already widely in use

EW exists for a reason
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post Jun 19 2023, 09:55 PM

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Footage of more Ukrainian losses: 1 T-64 MBT, 2 M113 APC, 1 MRAP vehicle and 1 random SUV

Sorry about the music tho notworthy.gif

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Footage of Russian Aerospace Forces Su-25 pilot POV of treetop-level ground support missions


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post Jun 19 2023, 10:15 PM

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Russian sources say Ukrainian forces are deploying land mines outside of the captured settlementd to prevent Russian counterattacks, but also caused them to advance far too slowly in order to avoid their own mines.

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 19 2023, 03:35 PM)
I wonder why. Maybe superbrains Putin never wargamed for a campaign that lasted more than 3 days or 3 weeks and thought he could get away with a slap on his wrist, like when he invaded Georgia or Crimea and so never prepared his war industrial complex accordingly.
This is not C&C red alert. Stuff don't magically appear. Even a highly over resourced army like US has trouble keeping their war machine in fighting shape. When you factor in storage conditions, age & wear and tear and endemic corruption, there's no way all those 50k T55 or 20k T72 are anywhere near combat usable.
But certainly a useful percentage can be cannibalized provided they had the industrial capacity and manpower.
To put things in context, Russia has gigantic borders and land mass, with an economy the size of Italy and a population less than Bangladesh. The one thing going for them is a largish slave-like population that is highly tolerant of abuse and deprivation of human rights that will never rise up against their top leader, so they can last longer than a democracy put in a similar situation.
However, they *don't* have unlimited manpower or industrial capacity even if they pretend they do. Sooner or later they will hit wall called basic war arithmetic.
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Of course most of these tanks are in junk shape .. but if all you want is to strap bombs to them and move them to enemy position, it's easy to achieve.... You don't need working turrets or fire control, don't need shells as well....
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 10:15 PM)
Russian sources say Ukrainian forces are deploying land mines outside of the captured settlementd to prevent Russian counterattacks, but also caused them to advance far too slowly in order to avoid their own mines.
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Kind of dumb.....

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Ukraine has paid contractors hundreds of millions of dollars for weapons that have not been delivered, and some of the much-publicized arms donated by its allies have been so decrepit that they were deemed fit only to be cannibalized for spare parts.

Ukrainian government documents show that as of the end of last year, Kyiv had paid arms suppliers more than $800 million since the Russian invasion in February 2022 for contracts that went completely or partly unfulfilled.

Two people involved in Ukraine’s arms purchasing said that some of the missing weapons had eventually been delivered, and that in other cases brokers had refunded the money. But as of early this spring, hundreds of millions of dollars had been paid — including to state-owned companies — for arms never materialized, one of these people said.

“We did have cases where we paid money and we didn’t receive,” Volodymyr Havrylov, a deputy defense minister working on arms procurement, said in a recent interview. He said the government this year had begun analyzing its past purchases and excluding problematic contractors.

Ukrainian officials have mostly refrained from complaining about broken equipment, so as not to embarrass their benefactors. “There were issues of quality to some of the howitzers, but we have to keep in mind that it was a gift,” Mr. Havrylov said.

But the government in Kyiv has grown weary, another senior Ukrainian official said, of being told that it has enough Western weapons, when some arrive in poor or unusable condition, relegated from combat to be cannibalized for parts.

Some weapons systems are either so scarce or so vulnerable to breaking down that Ukraine has welcomed at least some of the faulty Western equipment as a source of parts.

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 19 2023, 03:41 PM)
You don't bodoh me la. I saw so many videos of grenades and thermite explosives dropped down open hatches of abandoned T72. A full loaded carousel would have exploded super high anyway. Those tanks were probably abandoned due to mobility kills and had exhausted their munitions too. Plus you can look up at how the latest vintages of Russian ammo are being sent and stored at the fronts and hubs. No wonder they don't even dare to carry a full load now.
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You are the one with low IQ.... Don't even know how to fire a rifle....
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post Jun 19 2023, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(bengm2019 @ Jun 19 2023, 10:26 PM)
Of course most of these tanks are in junk shape .. but if all you want is to strap bombs to them and move them to enemy position, it's easy to achieve.... You don't need working turrets or fire control, don't need shells as well....
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But of course. A bomb is still a bomb, even if it represents a climb down the tech ladder.
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post Jun 19 2023, 10:47 PM

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When they say "Ukraine forces has captured 3 villages", it sounds somewhat acceptable until you actually see a map and realize all those 3 (tiny) villages are all in an area around 7-8 square km just 2 kilometers from Ukraine starting lines.


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Unlucky Ka-52 Alligator sustains damage to its tail during an attack and on its way home, thanks to its double rotor design.

Replies got pic of damage from the ground.

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post Jun 20 2023, 06:25 AM

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Itu gamelah
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post Jun 20 2023, 07:17 AM

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while i like Mi-24, this is one flying tank too.

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 20 2023, 06:14 AM)
Unlucky Ka-52 Alligator sustains damage to its tail during an attack and on its way home, thanks to its double rotor design.

Replies got pic of damage from the ground.
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post Jun 20 2023, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 20 2023, 07:17 AM)
while i like Mi-24, this is one flying tank too.
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The beauty of contra twin rotors.
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Counter-counteroffensive?


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A small group of Ukrainian POWs captured near Kupyansk


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Sources say Russian offensive into Kupyansk is being spearheaded by 76th VDV



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