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News Ukraine army launches large assault on SE Ukraine, Probable probing attack on Russian lines

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post Jun 19 2023, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 19 2023, 10:31 AM)
even if they manage to stop it, its too near.
the shockwave may have generate some concussion or damage ear drums.
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That close I won't be surprised some people actually died
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 08:24 AM)
eh? I thought Russians themselves mentioned they left the village already? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 10:18 AM)
Russian engineers packed a T-55 with six tons tof explosives and remotely drove it towards Ukrainian positions. The VBIED didn't quite make it to the Ukrainian lines but probably still did a lot of damage.

Detonation at 1:00 ohmy.gif
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Not denying the sheer destructive power of course, but the longer this conflict progresses the more low tech and crude the weapons the Russians use. Stuffing 6tons of explosives into a sacrificial vessel made of an obsolete weapon seems like an act of desperation and points to both the field engineering ingenuity and the declining industrial capacity of the Moscow regime. Reminds me of the Mistels of the Luftwaffe or the remote IEDs used by ISIS.
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post Jun 19 2023, 11:03 AM

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they have a lot of old tanks.
it is not a bad tactic actually. just not one by itself.

maybe the next wave of such automated kamikaze tanks may come in 3-7 units?
even if one manage to made it through to the defense line could be catastrophic.

though i would query the effectiveness of it.


QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 19 2023, 10:53 AM)
Not denying the sheer destructive power of course, but the longer this conflict progresses the more low tech and crude the weapons the Russians use. Stuffing 6tons of explosives into a sacrificial vessel made of an obsolete weapon seems like an act of desperation and points to both the field engineering ingenuity and the declining industrial capacity of the Moscow regime. Reminds me of the Mistels of the Luftwaffe or the remote IEDs used by ISIS.
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post Jun 19 2023, 11:34 AM

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Who says Russian armor design doesn't care for the comfort of the crew laugh.gif


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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 19 2023, 11:03 AM)
they have a lot of old tanks.
it is not a bad tactic actually. just not one by itself.

maybe the next wave of such automated kamikaze tanks may come in 3-7 units?
even if one manage to made it through to the defense line could be catastrophic.

though i would query the effectiveness of it.
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That's why destruction of logistics points, where ammo and explosives are being accumulated has been a priority of the Ukrainians to this day. It looks to me that the efforts are bearing fruit. Given the widespread shortages, it's unlikely that the Russians will be able to industrialize this capability to the point of it being a game changer. Maybe it will just inconvenience or delay the inevitable by a bit.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 10:18 AM)
Russian engineers packed a T-55 with six tons tof explosives and remotely drove it towards Ukrainian positions. The VBIED didn't quite make it to the Ukrainian lines but probably still did a lot of damage.

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Resorting to ISIS tactics
Russia become ISIS tier lmao
Probably didn't do shit la
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post Jun 19 2023, 11:44 AM

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can't say whether it is bearing fruits yet but the last seven or so days , yes , a lot of munition depots has been targeted and yesterday was one that shown a big big explosion.

QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 19 2023, 11:35 AM)
That's why destruction of logistics points, where ammo and explosives are being accumulated has been a priority of the Ukrainians to this day. It looks to me that the efforts are bearing fruit. Given the widespread shortages, it's unlikely that the Russians will be able to industrialize this capability to the point of it being a game changer. Maybe it will just inconvenience or delay the inevitable by a bit.
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Why? I thought it was going so well


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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 11:56 AM)
Why? I thought it was going so well

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siput size country Estonia also can have a say? hmm.gif
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i hope russian military believes it then, so they can chill and drink some vodkas.

QUOTE(kiasunkiasi @ Jun 19 2023, 12:11 PM)
siput size country Estonia also can have a say?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 19 2023, 12:29 PM)
i hope russian military believes it then, so they can chill and drink some vodkas.
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That's another week of Russians digging and bringing in more people though. Ukraine is the one need to take initiative.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 11:56 AM)
Why? I thought it was going so well

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waiting for denmark f-16 maybe
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QUOTE(chaosneo @ Jun 19 2023, 11:48 AM)
can't say whether it is bearing fruits yet but the last seven or so days , yes , a lot of munition depots has been targeted and yesterday was one that shown a big big explosion.
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Iinm rate of fire between Russians and Ukrainians are almost at parity now, compared to about 6 months ago where Russia was overwhelmingly more wasteful with their ammo. Another thing I noticed is that I see less spectacular tank turret tossing videos now. I'm not sure whether it's due to the mix/qty of tanks or change of tactics, but one personal hypothesis of mine is that Russians might no longer able to field tanks with their full complement of ammo, leading to less chances of mega secondary explosions. In general things point to a significant degradation of supplies/logistics.
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not exactly a bad idea.
troops movements and supplies movement will be caught on satellite or intel leak.

Ukraine has been bombing troop assembly area or munition depos. its a risk every time russia bring in more troops or munitions, it will show. i suspect this is how they find out. movement / traffic / frequency of a place.

which reminds me, every time a few munitions goes exploding, we see some videos posted by russian soldiers requestion for ammo. as well as when russian defensive area fall back will ask for ammo and supplies, this actually endangered the supply depots from being reveal as traffic and movement will increase somewhat i think.


QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 19 2023, 12:55 PM)
That's another week of Russians digging and bringing in more people though. Ukraine is the one need to take initiative.
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i am just very curious how STATIC DEFENSE (example, trenches, pillboxes, fox holes) will perform in today modern warfare.

WW2 where the imminent combat range is 500m to 1km? snipers add another 1-2km?
artillery and mortars serve as area suppression than actually accurate fire and air bombing + ground coordination is slow.

unlike WW2, imminent combat range now is 500m to 5km? auto grenade launcher, FPV drones, bomber drones, ATGMs, mobile short range rocket fire, recon drones to support mortar and artillery fire. instant fire correction method. air burst munitions as well as thermobaric warhead.
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 19 2023, 10:53 AM)
Not denying the sheer destructive power of course, but the longer this conflict progresses the more low tech and crude the weapons the Russians use. Stuffing 6tons of explosives into a sacrificial vessel made of an obsolete weapon seems like an act of desperation and points to both the field engineering ingenuity and the declining industrial capacity of the Moscow regime. Reminds me of the Mistels of the Luftwaffe or the remote IEDs used by ISIS.
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I wonder why Russia didn't start doing this earlier....

Jsut to let you know that they have built over 50,000 T54/55. They also have over 20,000 T72....

Imagine restoring just 10,000 of them, strap them with 6 tons of explosive each and drive them toward Ukraine positions.....

Would be an incredible sight.
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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Jun 19 2023, 01:01 PM)
Iinm rate of fire between Russians and Ukrainians are almost at parity now, compared to about 6 months ago where Russia was overwhelmingly more wasteful with their ammo. Another thing I noticed is that I see less spectacular tank turret tossing videos now. I'm not sure whether it's due to the mix/qty of tanks or change of tactics, but one personal hypothesis of mine is that Russians might no longer able to field tanks with their full complement of ammo, leading to less chances of mega secondary explosions. In general things point to a significant degradation of supplies/logistics.
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If you use your brains to think a little, you will realise that most of the penetrations are on sides/rear.... This happens when the tank is advancing in enemy territory.

When you are defending, your front is facing enemy and waiting for enemy to come.... its different from when you are attacking. ATGMs are less effective when hitting frontal armour.

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