hi guys, i previously had a socket A system and did only some light casual OC-ing. Now I got this system :

Athlon 64 X2 4000+ 45w Brisbane G1 (Currently at 210*10.5=2205 and memory at CPU/7)
2 x 1gb mushkin 667
Biostar TA690G

Are there any guide explaining the bios settings? I cant find the memory dividers.

Another thing is my idle temps is around 38-40C with Cool N Quiet off. Is this okay or do I need to reset the heatsink?

This post has been edited by zamanjaafar: Dec 13 2007, 01:28 PM

i was 5200+ & TF7050 user once, glad to see another guy coming up with this combination

my answers to ur questions

1) your overclock look good to me , but u might wanna change the command rate to 2T if u wish to go further with this setting
2) not really , BSOD can happen when ur ram oc to unstable frequency as well. In my case, not enough vcore usually end up with stucked at bios safe mode
3) ur temp is quite ok to me
4) yeah you are using a F3 proc
5) HTT = bus speed in ur CPU-Z
6) it's depend on which kinda ram chipset that u are using. i assume that it is unknown ram chipset, what u can do is u can try to oc , if it's unstable then stop. Normally safe vdimm that can be add on those normal ram chipset is 2.2v.
7) your ram won't burn if u just overclock the ram without adding vdimm. ur system will be unstable when it reaches its limit. i answer part of this question in 6) adi
8) 5200+ has 13x multiplier. there are few reasons people lower the multi:
a) multi lower to 11x , that's the highest multi that can use /6 memory divider ( by using 800 divider, check ur cpu-z if u don't understand wat i mean by /6)
if u don't understand, check the DDR2 divider diagram in post#1 of this thread.
b) lower multi , u need to oc the HTT higher in order to get same speed. your HT link will be following in this case. HT link higher = overall performance better
9) control ur temp under 65C, always
10) in concolusion , orthos and other stressing programs are not 100% assure that ur system is freaking stable

many questions u asked , but i'm glad to answer them all
happy to see people provide screenshot when asking some questions, that's easier to troubleshoot

This post has been edited by dblooi: Dec 13 2007, 02:05 PM

Guess that's your max stable configuration you can get out of ur system bro. For me to reach 3.1Ghz was just lucky hehe. I got quite a nice proc.

Nway, Congratz for breaking your own result!

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Added on December 13, 2007, 1:48 pmregarding to bro jeromeccm, i read reviews and posts from other forums regarding OC using biostar mobo. One thing they stress about is DO NOT use biostar overclocking software. They say it's crap and alwez freeze your PC. That exactly what heppened to me b4 when i used that software.

Why dont you use bios instead?

This post has been edited by nadeng1987: Dec 13 2007, 01:48 PM

Dude, thanks alot for the information.. i have a few things to clarify...
I hope people who ready my Q&A able to obsorb the OC issue/or uncertainty that i face.. I believe it is about the same all the time..
Hey can you post up your screenshot of your CPUz for the main and memory? thanks.. like to see how yours did.
1) your overclock looks good to me , but u might wanna change the command to 2T if u wish to go further with this setting
-- I thought in the forum and OC advise they mentioned 2T is not as good as 1T as it will slow down the ram performance? By the way i really dont know the meaning of the setting where.. the 2-3-2- bla bla bla.... confuse..
I dont know the 1 or 2T is for .. ha ha ha.. really noob

2) not really , BSOD can happen when ur ram oc to unstable frequency as well. In my case, not enough vcore usually end up with stucked at bios safe mode. Ic ic.. understand..

3) ur temp is quite ok to me
-- cool... keeping a close look on it.

4) yeah you are using a F3 proc
i duno... some say no.... hmmm...

5) HTT = bus speed in ur CPU-Z
--Sorry.. i think my question confuse people here.. I ment the HT Link...
I herd reducing the HT Link will reduce the overall performance of the PC. So we shall mazimize it to 1K. Forum advise that this should be kept within 1K and below.. anything above is unstable.. but i see alot of them are going above 1k.... can i say this is consider overclocking the comm between the RAM and the chipset?

6) it's depend on which kinda ram chipset that u are using. i assume that it is unknown ram chipset, what u can do is
u can try to oc , if it's unstable then stop. Normally safe vdimm that can be add on those normal ram chipset is 2.2v.
-- I am using Kingston Ram with Hynix chipset. No heatsink.. DDR667

7) your ram won't burn if u just overclock the ram without adding vdimm. ur system will be unstable when it reaches its limit. i answer part of this question in 6) adi
-- Got it... thanks..

8) 5200+ has 13x multiplier. there are few reasons people lower the multi:
a) multi lower to 11x , that's the highest multi that can use /6 memory divider ( by using 800 divider, check ur cpu-z if u don't understand wat i mean by /6)
if u don't understand, check the DDR2 divider diagram in post#1 of this thread.
b) lower multi , u need to oc the HTT higher in order to get same speed. your HT link will be following in this case. HT link higher = overall performance better
-- so in this case assume i clock to 3GHz, Bus Speed 250MHz and Multi is 12 vs. Buss Speed 230MHz and Multi 13.
Which performs faster? I rad that higher Buss Speed = faster traffic = faster flow. so in that case, why they need a multiplier for? ke ke ke.. dont laugh.. i said i am noob... ke ke ke ke

9) control ur temp under 65C, always
-- got it... thanks.

10) in concolusion , orthos and other stressing program is not 100% assure that ur system is freaking stable
-- ahhaaa...... ic ic... so i got to after burn the PC with all kinds of stress/benchmark program for couple of days to ensure it runs 24/7 to conclude it is 99% full prove stable....

many questions u asked , but i'm glad to answer them all
happy to see people provide screenshot when asking some questions, that's easier to troubleshoot
-- If i dont provide screenshot, will kena kick again.. he he he...

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Added on December 13, 2007, 2:14 pm
regarding to bro jeromeccm, i read reviews and posts from other forums regarding OC using biostar mobo. One thing they stress about is DO NOT use biostar overclocking software. They say it's crap and alwez freeze your PC. That exactly what heppened to me b4 when i used that software.

Why dont you use bios instead?

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IC IC.... bios setting need alot of reboot..
I was thinking of OC under windows first then when check stable already then will set the "determine" setting in the Bios... then stress test again. No need to restart so many times ma..
Any other software you can recommend? I herd that ClockGen can do the job... but the clock gen version i have can only see the meter reading only, not adjustable...

This post has been edited by jeromeccm: Dec 13 2007, 02:14 PM

1) command rate 2T, u can change it in dram configuration in bios. try to read tru that page, there are alot of sub timings there.

4) ur proc is confirm a F3. there are few ways u can verify it
a) check ur box , code should be ADA XXXX5200CZ BOX
b) your cpu-z SS show me that it is a F3 stepping proc

5) that's old forum advise
it is recommend to keep the HT link around 1000-1200 for better system performance
however, different mobo chipset can oc the ht link to different range
ur TF7050 , max HT link oc should be around 1200-1300
if u are using TA690G, u can hit 1500MHz without swt

6) hynix wat chipset? FP-Y5? S5? or others?

8) ur comparison is not detail enough. Assume that memory divider and HT multiplier are same, of coz 250X 12 will be faster. But not much faster than 230X13. one reason ppl use higher multi is to do less tourture the mobo.

This post has been edited by dblooi: Dec 13 2007, 02:35 PM

1) command rate 2T, u can change it in dram configuration in bios. try to read tru that page, there are alot of sub timings there.
-- Ok... i will get to this when i am done with the CPU OC.. so far is my setting correct or i should change the settings? I will try 2T today....

4) ur proc is confirm a F3. there are few ways u can verify it
  a) check ur box , code should be ADA XXXX5200CZ BOX
  b) your cpu-z SS show me that it is a F3 stepping proc 
-- aahaa...... got it...

5) that's old forum advise 
it is recommend to keep the HT link around 1000-1200 for better system performance
however, different mobo chipset can oc the ht link to different range
ur TF7050 , max HT link oc should be around 1200-1300
if u are using TA690G, u can hit 1500MHz without swt
-- ok ok.. now i know my HTlink can go above 1k...  I did 1.1k before i got to know i have to lower down the HT multiplier.

6) hynix wat chipset? FP-Y5? S5? or others?
-- this i got to check.. the ram is the one selling at RM65/piece now... ke ke ke..
Kingston 1GHz DDR667 - RM65 

8) ur comparison is not detail enough.  Assume that memory divider and HT multiplier are same, of coz 250X 12 will be faster. But not much faster than 230X13. one reason ppl use higher multi is to do less tourture the mobo.

- now i know.. i have clearer picture now... cheers mate... thanks for the information... really clear out the mist in my head..

This post has been edited by jeromeccm: Dec 13 2007, 03:01 PM

damn dissapointed...reach 3.7g liao ...but later try try mobo cannot start...dont know what problem...

then later psu problem pulak..the cooling fan wont work..but got power...den open check check den fan warking back =.=

now no more ice to play liao.. tried since 1pm+ till now...haih....duno whats the problem...

temp is around 3-4degrees after oc and -8 before oc..

This post has been edited by dj.eRicZzz: Dec 13 2007, 03:46 PM


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wow ..... ice ice babe

what the...??!!! -8C????
haha, what happen bro? tak sempat to take SS?
btw, i saw the TF7050 reunion with the waterblock again

brother dblooi,, can show me a screen shot of your OC?

is there anyone willing to help me maintain the forum in http://ocmania.com
please let me know... =P

so did u all know how this board Biostar TA770 A2+ can go when oc???might change to this board if really good in oc..

@cyberloner
i reg already..

This post has been edited by tapirus: Dec 13 2007, 04:19 PM

ha, i show b4..but not really clear 1
recently i no oc, when i oc i'll upload pic ok?

edited: if u are looking for my oc result , u can check here

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/321443

This post has been edited by dblooi: Dec 13 2007, 05:16 PM

not tak sempat take...is i din take...coz i wana try to go 3.8 3.9 den 4.0...actually my aim is oc kaw kaw first..then only find a good balance speed....

hahahah your waterblock good only can reach nice temperature ma

anyways i rearrange the mobo..change position and everything already...

now making ice again..damn...really not enough la...maybe need to go out and buy those...atlas ice..big big plastic...sekali pakai kaw kaw...

just now i scad water drip kena the board or anything..now change like this...wont kena anything except table or the cloth

This post has been edited by dj.eRicZzz: Dec 13 2007, 05:38 PM


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welcome bro... hope this can be our playground... =)
picture upload is set bigger... and uploading files is 5mb...
let me know what we need more =) no restriction... just dun war =)

This post has been edited by cyberloner: Dec 13 2007, 05:51 PM

Forgive my noobness but what is a MAL value?
Can I find it on my 7050 mobo?

i cant boot using 667 divider..why?
my ram is crucial ballistix pc6400

if cannot then try to lower it la...or loosen your timing

the same thing happen to me also..just only can boot with 533 divider...

yup..only 400,533, and 800 divider..
when i OC my F3 to 3.0ghz, wif 800 divider, the ram speed reach ddr1200, but not stable, didnt even pass super pi 1m.
OC till 3.1ghz(vcore 1.250),wif 533dvder(vdimm2.1),using timing 4-4-4-12-18-2t,speed at 773,didnt pass orthos for more than 2 minutes,why?super pi 1m pass.