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post May 11 2023, 05:06 AM

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if KK has strong cable then yes they can get away
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Sent to private Columbia doesn't need to fork out money ke TS? Insurance doesn't cover KK expenses ke?
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post May 11 2023, 05:13 AM

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QUOTE(alex_cyw1985 @ May 10 2023, 07:47 PM)
Later under diagnosis u complain KK not efficient. Just trust the doctor.
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if the kid die, ts gonna pop dick vein n gonna full on rage the doctor till keluar newspaper
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despite my wife mentioning it is really hot and heatwave now... and requested to let the baby rest at another building or my car that is well air-conditioned,

if they are not medical expert, TS n wife is example of bad parent n shud not be allowed to breed

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post May 11 2023, 06:26 AM

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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ May 10 2023, 09:24 PM)
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Heh ya think?
Yeah "nAK baLiK keMaS bAraNG" is a very typical excuse for absconders.
Digging bottom need to check for opening. Likely because your wife complained first. Or maybe it was about time. Many reasons to check but really, no one so free wanna prep and dig suka suka.

You dont get really get uti overnight, and for sure not without complaints of sorts. Not getting a visit is not one. Likely miscommunication.
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Nurse measures baby temp on crazy hot HEATWAVE afternoon
3. Doctor suspects sepsis without checking other symptoms except for the temp


Your allegation is invalid.
They already checked your baby temperature.
Any fever on newborn baby is treated as sepsis and need further workout.
If they missed and your baby become vegetative state, or 6 feets under, than your can make a complaint and even the state will investigate any child death under 5 years old.
You mentioned about taking your baby without your consent to the government hospital.
1. They would insist and bring to government to avoid any delay in treatment.
2. Parent may bring to private hospital, but after learning the cost, NICU admission per day if im not mistaken RM1K/day, they may bring back to home, and observe by themselves, and only bring back when the conditions worsen.
3. And under child act 2001, doctor may take your child for treatment even if you refuse, they will lodge the police report and if you child health worsen due to your action, you may be charged in court.
4. Your baby ended up in paediatrician hand, was assessed, monitored, given treatment and was discharged home well after 4 days. If based on your allegation that the diagnosis was wrong, your baby will be discharged on the first day paediatrician asses your baby.
The system works.

Im glad your baby is okay.
Cheers up. Enjoy your parenthood.

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ May 10 2023, 07:27 PM)
Heatwave can make the thermometer show 38deg meh?
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That depends on the thermometer used. The radar gun one can be inaccurate at times, especially when used to check someone who has been in a hot environment.
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QUOTE(No Reason @ May 10 2023, 07:48 PM)
no, u cant change KK whenever u want. which kk will depends on ur house address.
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Not entirely through though. My son got somewhere far from my house, but my daughter was assigned to the one just behind where I stayed.
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post May 11 2023, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(i7xQTi @ May 11 2023, 01:05 AM)
>private is better
lmaoing @ ur ass

you know those things you think are overzealous? private with squeeze you dry in 1 day.
do you know what they will do once you're dry?
they'll send you too gov
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yeah.. even for me, i would prefer go to kk instead of private clinic which some of them only want to sell u pills.

and no employer will question MC from KK


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post May 11 2023, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ May 11 2023, 06:26 AM)
Heh ya think?
Yeah "nAK baLiK keMaS bAraNG" is a very typical excuse for absconders.
Digging bottom need to check for opening. Likely because your wife complained first. Or maybe it was about time. Many reasons to check but really, no one so free wanna prep and dig suka suka.

You dont get really get uti overnight, and for sure not without complaints of sorts. Not getting a visit is not one. Likely miscommunication.
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She's already in pain that entire week. It's close to labor date. But the pain is somewhere else. Women you know always got some sort of instinct la.

TBH, balik kemas barang is not wrong , because i have 0 idea what women want to pack , we have baby bag ready , but not overnight sakit bag ready .

It's not the every second pain once, but non stop pain, the pain got worst to the point standing is an issue.

Oh ya, not to mention , the moment she got admitted , hand kena cucuk by that big needle used for IV punya which is not used at all. Entirely confused why they are doing this .

Overprepared? In my opinion , that SOP is wasting so much taxpayer money and causing unnecessary pain more to what patient already had.

Fast forward almost 3 days later, she felt pain again but now she knew its labor pain. Drove her to private immediately and she gave birth without having meal for almost 24 hrs.

Women can be very tough sometimes.

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post May 11 2023, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ May 10 2023, 07:24 PM)
Hi all,
I'm a father of 5 days old premature baby of 37 weeks. lm writing this post to share and seek advice regarding misdiagnosed, unprofessional, and terrible treatment by Klinik Kesihatan Rantau Panjang toward my baby. 

TLDR-

1. go KK for jaundice bloodtest
2. Nurse measures baby temp on crazy hot HEATWAVE afternoon
3. Doctor suspects sepsis without checking other symptoms except for the temp
4. Crazy duo called ambulance and registered at Tengku Ampuan without consent or discussion
5. Trying to detain my wife and baby when we are going to nearest hospital, Columbia Klang
6. Baby gets venepuncture and injected with antibiotics on 4 days old
7. Blood culture shows no viral infection, unlikely sepsis
8. Because KK misdiagnosed, we suffer emotional and financial damages


My baby having jaundice, Hospital mentioned we need to do bilirubin test a day or later, at KK or BP after discharge.

On 4/5/23, we notified KK about our baby's birth as MOH website stated and also KK instructed prior to birth. The nurse was surprisingly quick to respond to our message and booked an appointment for the test, which is 2pm on HEATWAVE weather.

We arrived at 1:45 pm, KK Rantau Panjang is temporarily relocated to KK Kapar due to renovation, so we are seated in a tent with some shade net, it is still awfully hot because of the weather. Baby is sleeping while waiting for the nurse. Got called in at 2:15pm, there is air-cond inside the small building, but it is nowhere near an air-conditioned room.

Things started to become outrageous from here, Nurse Ziham measured the baby's temp after letting us wait in a no-air-conditioning area during a freaking HEATWAVE hot afternoon, the reading is 38c and nurse started blaming tone "anak fever pun tak tau???" despite my wife mentioning it is really hot and heatwave now... and requested to let the baby rest at another building or my car that is well air-conditioned, Nurse replied "ini sawan, aircond tidak akan bantu baby turun suhu" This really shocked us!! 

While they trying to cool down my baby with some wet cotton, my wife got called in by Dr. Harchnah, and she starts blabbering about the blood test reading being really messed up and decided to send the baby to the hospital Tengku Ampuan, but my wife suggested we will be sending the baby to Columbia which is nearer, Doctor says we cannot do that because they already booked ambulance and registered at Tengku Ampuan without our consent! when we insist, they told us even if we want to send to Columbia, we need to be discharged at Tengku Ampuan first, then only be able to send the baby to the hospital where we wanted. It's getting really weird and beyond our understanding. We questioned, if you call an ambulance for an emergency, then why are you wasting time arguing with us instead of letting us bring the baby to the nearest hospital right away?? they starts threatening to call the police and took away the rekod kesihatan ibu & bayi while trying to detain my baby and wife, luckily baby started crying because of feeding time, then only allow baby to be fed in my car

All that happened while l was cooling the car, l returned to the KK after my wife bring the baby to the car. That crazy nurse and doctor are nowhere to be found, a lady talk to me instead without identifying who she is, l listed the incident above and she avoided those topics, with only one forward action which is sending the baby to Columbia. She told me, even if we go to the hospital, doctor might not take in our baby... unbelievable! l made a call to Columbia Klang, the Paediatric agrees to take in the baby, and rekod kesihatan is finally returned to us.

Columbia performed a venepuncture on my 5-day-old baby and took her blood for 2 tests, a normal one and blood culture. We have the normal blood test report on the first night, the Paediatric showed us nothing too wrong with the reading, blood cell count, pallet are within range, told us to wait for the blood culture report, which is able to confirm whether my baby has a viral infection which will lead to sepsis, in the meantime, she will inject antibiotic to my 5-day old baby. 

on 9/5/23 we have the full blood culture report which shows no virus to be found at all, I'm really angry and frustrated at this point despite our repeated effort on telling the KK our baby is fine and doesn't show any symptoms, and also the way they measure our baby temp is questionable!!

because of their unprofessional behavior, my wife was very depressed when the baby's admitted, my baby had to suffer the venepuncture and be injected with antibiotics at 4 days old, and l had the burn a few thousand RM and time and energy because of this misdiagnosis.

guys, my family doesn't deserves this, any advice on how to escalate this to the right authority/person is very much appreciated!
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lol wut.

I can tell u la, those private hosp that you admire so much will dump all their cases to gov hospitals as the last resort.

I commend the KK for being overzealous and overcareful. the nurses there are experienced bunch la.

nothing good is going to come when u want to fight with the KK. even if u go medicolegal case, if court find out their management is right, you are the one going to be GG.

If you want to complaint, go SISPAA and complain about the FACILITES instead. KKM have very good staff but very poor facilities. Or at least viral them for not having aircond, etc. Sure will have someone or MB come down and repair the clinic instead.

This post has been edited by MegaCanonF: May 11 2023, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ May 10 2023, 09:36 PM)
bang, patient lies ALL THE DAMN TIME. sorry if we have trust issue but no, we dont trust your words lol
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Are you Dr. House by any chance?
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post May 11 2023, 08:13 AM

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TS , don't you think you are misdirecting your anger towards someone that have good intention to help and prevent serious medical condition in newborn?

If any, you should send a thank you note to them, instead of badmouthing them in social media.
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post May 11 2023, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(ReverseDark @ May 10 2023, 07:24 PM)
Hi all,
I'm a father of 5 days old premature baby of 37 weeks. lm writing this post to share and seek advice regarding misdiagnosed, unprofessional, and terrible treatment by Klinik Kesihatan Rantau Panjang toward my baby. 

TLDR-

1. go KK for jaundice bloodtest
2. Nurse measures baby temp on crazy hot HEATWAVE afternoon
3. Doctor suspects sepsis without checking other symptoms except for the temp
4. Crazy duo called ambulance and registered at Tengku Ampuan without consent or discussion
5. Trying to detain my wife and baby when we are going to nearest hospital, Columbia Klang
6. Baby gets venepuncture and injected with antibiotics on 4 days old
7. Blood culture shows no viral infection, unlikely sepsis
8. Because KK misdiagnosed, we suffer emotional and financial damages


My baby having jaundice, Hospital mentioned we need to do bilirubin test a day or later, at KK or BP after discharge.

On 4/5/23, we notified KK about our baby's birth as MOH website stated and also KK instructed prior to birth. The nurse was surprisingly quick to respond to our message and booked an appointment for the test, which is 2pm on HEATWAVE weather.

We arrived at 1:45 pm, KK Rantau Panjang is temporarily relocated to KK Kapar due to renovation, so we are seated in a tent with some shade net, it is still awfully hot because of the weather. Baby is sleeping while waiting for the nurse. Got called in at 2:15pm, there is air-cond inside the small building, but it is nowhere near an air-conditioned room.

Things started to become outrageous from here, Nurse Ziham measured the baby's temp after letting us wait in a no-air-conditioning area during a freaking HEATWAVE hot afternoon, the reading is 38c and nurse started blaming tone "anak fever pun tak tau???" despite my wife mentioning it is really hot and heatwave now... and requested to let the baby rest at another building or my car that is well air-conditioned, Nurse replied "ini sawan, aircond tidak akan bantu baby turun suhu" This really shocked us!! 

While they trying to cool down my baby with some wet cotton, my wife got called in by Dr. Harchnah, and she starts blabbering about the blood test reading being really messed up and decided to send the baby to the hospital Tengku Ampuan, but my wife suggested we will be sending the baby to Columbia which is nearer, Doctor says we cannot do that because they already booked ambulance and registered at Tengku Ampuan without our consent! when we insist, they told us even if we want to send to Columbia, we need to be discharged at Tengku Ampuan first, then only be able to send the baby to the hospital where we wanted. It's getting really weird and beyond our understanding. We questioned, if you call an ambulance for an emergency, then why are you wasting time arguing with us instead of letting us bring the baby to the nearest hospital right away?? they starts threatening to call the police and took away the rekod kesihatan ibu & bayi while trying to detain my baby and wife, luckily baby started crying because of feeding time, then only allow baby to be fed in my car

All that happened while l was cooling the car, l returned to the KK after my wife bring the baby to the car. That crazy nurse and doctor are nowhere to be found, a lady talk to me instead without identifying who she is, l listed the incident above and she avoided those topics, with only one forward action which is sending the baby to Columbia. She told me, even if we go to the hospital, doctor might not take in our baby... unbelievable! l made a call to Columbia Klang, the Paediatric agrees to take in the baby, and rekod kesihatan is finally returned to us.

Columbia performed a venepuncture on my 5-day-old baby and took her blood for 2 tests, a normal one and blood culture. We have the normal blood test report on the first night, the Paediatric showed us nothing too wrong with the reading, blood cell count, pallet are within range, told us to wait for the blood culture report, which is able to confirm whether my baby has a viral infection which will lead to sepsis, in the meantime, she will inject antibiotic to my 5-day old baby. 

on 9/5/23 we have the full blood culture report which shows no virus to be found at all, I'm really angry and frustrated at this point despite our repeated effort on telling the KK our baby is fine and doesn't show any symptoms, and also the way they measure our baby temp is questionable!!

because of their unprofessional behavior, my wife was very depressed when the baby's admitted, my baby had to suffer the venepuncture and be injected with antibiotics at 4 days old, and l had the burn a few thousand RM and time and energy because of this misdiagnosis.

guys, my family doesn't deserves this, any advice on how to escalate this to the right authority/person is very much appreciated!
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Temp was taken by ear or by armpit? Also you sidai your baby under hot weather temp won't be 38. 38 in newborn is not normal cause baby is not suppose to have temp at 38. 38 means some kind of infection.

So babies with temp 38C all hospital will presume the worse. Sepsis and start antibiotics to overtreat rather than undertreat. And oh yeah, blood test maybe normal yo.

I had friends working in both govt and private hospitals so when hang out with them, sometimes ask them how you know a baby is sick since can't talk. There are few signs actually.
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bold heatwave words just to justify the thermometer reading.
why dont u check the thermometer if that measurement device calibrated or not?

klinik kesihatan ibu dan anak nurse all experienced nurse not your newbie just finish study nurse (as far as i know and trust me i went to kk seremban 2 a lot).

however the blood test that performed at kk being messed up is really weird though. typically they will do another test just to be sure.

ts, if i might advise you, yes you and your wife are the parents of your baby but please understand that not all related to our baby that we knew 100% correct.
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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ May 11 2023, 08:02 AM)
She's already in pain that entire week. It's close to labor date. But the pain is somewhere else. Women you know always got some sort of instinct la.

TBH, balik kemas barang is not wrong , because i have 0 idea what women want to pack , we have baby bag ready , but not overnight sakit bag ready .

It's not the every second pain once, but non stop pain, the pain got worst to the point standing is an issue.

Oh ya, not to mention , the moment she got admitted , hand kena cucuk by that big needle used for IV punya which is not used at all. Entirely confused why they are doing this .

Overprepared? In my opinion , that SOP is wasting so much taxpayer money and causing unnecessary pain more to what patient already had.


Fast forward almost 3 days later, she felt pain again but now she knew its labor pain. Drove her to private immediately and she gave birth without having meal for almost 24 hrs.

Women can be very tough sometimes.
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Its standard to ready iv access upon maternity ward admission.
Never know when your wife would have sudden massive bleeding or emergency op that will require blood transfusion.

You think too lightly of the danger of neonatal sepsis. And how easy it is to look out for it and prevent.
Better be safe than sorry.
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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ May 11 2023, 08:40 AM)
bold heatwave words just to justify the thermometer reading.
why dont u check the thermometer if that measurement device calibrated or not?

klinik kesihatan ibu dan anak nurse all experienced nurse not your newbie just finish study nurse (as far as i know and trust me i went to kk seremban 2 a lot).

however the blood test that performed at kk being messed up is really weird though. typically they will do another test just to be sure.

ts, if i might advise you, yes you and your wife are the parents of your baby but please understand that not all related to our baby that  we knew 100% correct.
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You think from the way hes telling this story, ts would allow that?
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ May 11 2023, 08:44 AM)
You think from the way hes telling this story, ts would allow that?
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ts should be more rational rather than emotional.
idk if this is the first baby or ts already got experienced. if he already got other baby before and his behaviour is liddis then u know i know la. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ May 11 2023, 08:02 AM)
She's already in pain that entire week. It's close to labor date. But the pain is somewhere else. Women you know always got some sort of instinct la.

TBH, balik kemas barang is not wrong , because i have 0 idea what women want to pack , we have baby bag ready , but not overnight sakit bag ready .

It's not the every second pain once, but non stop pain, the pain got worst to the point standing is an issue.

Oh ya, not to mention , the moment she got admitted , hand kena cucuk by that big needle used for IV punya which is not used at all. Entirely confused why they are doing this .

Overprepared? In my opinion , that SOP is wasting so much taxpayer money and causing unnecessary pain more to what patient already had.

Fast forward almost 3 days later, she felt pain again but now she knew its labor pain. Drove her to private immediately and she gave birth without having meal for almost 24 hrs.

Women can be very tough sometimes.
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the IV needle is for standby la. if shit happens only want to insert branula is it. then you will be the next person like TS to open thread here. doh.gif
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post May 11 2023, 09:03 AM

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I thought 37 weeks can consider as full term baby.
Anyway if baby was moving a lot, crying and screaming, was in a carrier or covered body by layers of cloth on hot day, then when using the hand held infra red type thermometer it can range from fever to no fever within minutes. Need to repeat taking temperature.
Should get a good one and carry own thermometer also.

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