doesn't seem like it's a standard for private hospital though.

the problem is, she's not even due yet or confirmed in labor pain. which is why i have already stated, there's something wrong with the SOP there.


tengok seperti di atas. waifu give birth about 2 weeks earlier from EDD. im not sure which one come first, the cucuk, or the digging the bottom.

even the digging experience vs private is entirely different from what waifu say.

pain like hell in govt and had to go through the procedure twice on same day.
relaxed in private.

so there must be something wrong with the way it is handled in govt there.

i know it's free / super cheap yadda yadda, but it's still taxpayer money that subsidized everything.

from my perspective, there's so much wastage ongoing, things were taken for granted, service rendered is like we are at their mercy, facilities akin to very rundown clinic. so much improvement can be done, mindset of staff can be changed, but i guess at the end of the day, they probably tired of shitty patients as well.

inb4, tak suka kerja line ni, jgn kerja la.



This post has been edited by a13solut3: May 11 2023, 09:38 AM

cause private hospital will charge every single item they use. if they put and didn't use, then you will be like TS open another thread here.

Says alot about our private practices lol.
They just end up sending patients to gomen hospitals when shit hits the fan anyway.

Edit to your edit: not all labour are the same. One typically have harder 1st labour and easier/smoother subsequent labours.

This post has been edited by cursetheroad01: May 11 2023, 09:41 AM

i actually don't mind forking out as much money as possible as long as my waifu had a good delivery experience.

that's the priority over everything else. the only reason why we go govt in the first place is because we wanted to experience what people say vs what we actually felt.

AND... your mindset is extremely narrow as well. what makes you think that item being used in govt hospital is not being charged back to us? kek. it just go big round way of telling you , hey our country medical subsidy is cheapest in the world.

WRONG. wastage is wastage. what works in the PAST doesn't mean it should work NOW.

as i said, it's for emergency when needed. to inject pain meds, or antibiotics, or start drips etc. if you have zero medical background then just let the professionals do their work.

Its a good thing we can afford to waste for our healthcare because cutting corners in healthcare is the last thing you could wish our gomen do.

Besides, what exactly is wasteful here? The ambulance for ts kid? Absolutely reasonable. Kk dont have the facility for the baby. And it is an emergency.

Your wifes multiple diggings? Now that you mentioned edd lari 2 weeks, on top of the constant pain, the need to check is even more warranted.

The iv? As mentioned, precautionary step.

On top of the lack of medical knowledge, you yourself dont know what exactly happening back then.
You think our healthcare so cap ayam? You think our subsidised healthcare is shit? When was the last time you heard of maternal death?

Ignorant ungrateful bunches.

It may not be the best but its very far from the worst.

This post has been edited by cursetheroad01: May 11 2023, 09:53 AM

Lmao guys, u can bash me all u want, but please keep my wife and other forumer out of this

1. 38c okay they did a few more temp reading, there is one in aircond room, its 37.4, they meassure a lot of spot also, forehead, ear, toe and armpit they decided to send baby to tengku ampuan is mainly because of this, and they avoided to test it again when my baby is awake and drinking in my car

2. Columbia have reading of 37 before any antibiotic injected, during baby admissions of 2 days, we keep asking is baby developing fever? Nurse and doc says no, could be antibiotic, nvm, we have infarred themo for ear and forehead, we continue monitor baby temp after discharge, getting 36.6 to 37.5c, highest will be armpit, we get a 38c reading at home once, because we cocoon the baby with too much thick clothes

3. Why we insist on going columbia, because nearest, l had admitted to columbia for dengki once, l know how blood sucking they are, if not because of they forcing me must have a doctor consent, l will go back to uitm puncak alam, they already mentioned anything happened to baby can go back, as long referral letter is presence

4. Tengku ampuan, yes l have experience with it also, everything is slow like poslambat except emergency care, not to mention visiting hours, and also don even know got nurse to tend my baby or not, at least private hospital l know if l pay, they can

5. KK react swift, all those 4-5 hours prenatal check and subtle intent shoving us away EG, ey u kalau ada check dekat klinik swasta, tak yah mari lagi, or kalau uitm ambil u, tak yah mari, and don even write us referral letter when we need it for uitm acceptance

During that day, all that farce lasted from 2:45 to 4:40 and ambulance is no where to be seen, l took the baby to columbia, admission and treatment was done on 5:30, and we didnt even go through emergency room

5. What lm most dulan about, there is literally no discussion at all, read blood report, 38c bam u go to tengku ampuan, when we ask question, bam police report, tegur tegur, until that lady with no indentification come out for descalation, it is very heated, l don even know if l walked into gangster turf or a klinik
If l burned few K for my baby to be safe, l even prayed no viral infection to be detected, but l just couldnt get off the all that weird and crazy incident during that KK visit

6. Like what most K said, private hospital is no saint, until l went home to check what diagnosis and treatment, nobody told me it is sepsis, the paediatrics also a bit information hiding, thats how l feel on it, but l feel safer for the baby, because they want money only, l duno what this KK want

This part is from my wife, lm not sure so l didnt write it out

When we opt for private, my wife overheard they talking about will have scratch record if they cancel the ambulance

Summary, if they discussed and communicated, l would even go tengku ampuan, but on my own car, but sadly, all those forcing and threatening really makes me feel uncomfortable

I will try to answer as much as l can, baby has been pooping and drinking a lot, and l think my wife are having post natal depression, she keep crying to me everyday, so l need to do her part more

Sila bincang kan, please be civilise to each other, u are free to hentam only me

This post has been edited by ReverseDark: May 11 2023, 10:27 AM

Tqvm to @cursetheroad @No Reason @Aaron212 @CyberSetan @rtk74 for insight and advice

edit* duno how to tag, luls

This post has been edited by ReverseDark: May 11 2023, 11:29 AM

i didn't say im not grateful for what is being done bodoh.

what im saying is things like SOP, service all can be improved.

what is the point of saving mother/kids but gives them a long-term post natal depression in long run?

we heard stories about govt hospital, we still decided to go for it because we wanted to experience it, but what do we get right even before admitted in the hospital?

threats wei! it doesn't matter other patients regularly abscond or not, doesn't mean you have to assume everyone here is criminal.

i went to private, i don't felt like a single cent being suck out of my wallet. it's expensive yes. we went to emergency ward the day before waifu gives birth, what the specialist said to us, your wife now open 1cm only, go back home and rest, she will feel better at home, i see no point of your wife getting admitted into ward today, waste of money. this is the kind of comfort that my wife was looking for and to hear from.

if you can't do your work right, then don't do it. so what if you are an expert in medical field if you have absolutely 0 empathy on ground?

EDD is earlier 2 weeks than the forecasted , not late. she is not even in labor pain, since when labor pain comes from side stomach? digging is OK, but why the need in brute forcing the digging? she can't even get to relaxed and was force to open leg immediately and doesn't even give her time to breath. is that normal SOP?

i didn't know it's normal to make a distress mother even more distressed before giving birth to be SOP in govt hospital.

This post has been edited by a13solut3: May 11 2023, 10:06 AM

You have to consider how much patient private and goverment hospital handles. They have to be prepare to avoid any complications arise. Experience also have to take into account. Private always experience doctor that perform alot of procedures before.

No wonder. If admitted, they do blood test..

After discharge, didn't give result.

Private hospital will attach the results in discharge file..

That bolded part, same thing will be said by any obg doctor in the pau clinic la....
Survivorship bias.
You guys just came to the private hospital when the tiding is smooth.

And how you know that depression is caused by the hospital stay when it could have been due to hormones or babycare stress? How you even diagnose it? What do you feel if i tell you you're just not that caring of a husband that causes your wife to be depressed?

As ive said, for the sake of argument, state what exactly the actual wastage you think is happening before going around accusing oH GoMen WasTeFuL


Edit to your edit: late or early, still ground for pv check. In your case, need to check because if impending labour, need to notify paediatric too for them to prepare incubator since premature with danger of sepsis because your wife had uti that time.

Labor is stressful yes. Its unfortunate that your wife likely to have met with problematic nurse/houseman. Usually a complaint to ward sister would have sort that out quick.

This post has been edited by cursetheroad01: May 11 2023, 10:21 AM

if the personnel doesn't have such "pay peanut get monkey" attitude in the first, things wouldn't have to go that bad in the first place. so what's with all the threatening stance on us? we didn't even refuse a single thing that they've told us to do. someone else abscond doesn't mean we are going to, why would we take such a risk?

in case you think there are 2 side to this story, no, there's no story there. it is what it is. i have full respect on our medical professional and their knowledge, but not their attitude, which is exactly what i say, we had a great experience in pre-mother care and after-birth check up BUT NOT THE MATERNITY WARD there.

and yes i forgot to mentioned, i managed to meet the lady doctor that in charge of my waifu the next morning, that doctor is good as she patiently explained to me exactly on what happened to my waifu and what was done to help her.

oh, so you are telling me, i just had a normal 37.1c fever, and i ended up getting blood tested is normal in KK? that is my own personal experience la.

not including the waifu one.

This post has been edited by a13solut3: May 11 2023, 10:24 AM

get more opinions from few more doctors perhaps?

Asking laymen here only provided anecdotes (read: NOT FACT).


babies are delicate... I can understand why doctors and nurses quick to action . If we dont trust them and their many years of experiences compared to lets say googling about "antibiotics on babies". ... might as well self care at home .


This post has been edited by alanyuppie: May 11 2023, 10:22 AM

U all so not happy better avoid gov hosp la. I preety sure ts already dulan and started the war indirectly. No right or wrong.

But please go for paeds protocol under kkm and look for neonatal jaundice, pathological jaundice, jaundice.

Some point must be lacking because i do believe KK wont simply call for ambulance. And trust me if KK can manage they wont take the trouble to sent to tertiary. Its a hassle to call up ambulance and to discuss case with MO or SP in HTAR. U think HTAR wont scold KK ke? They pressure also when referring your case.

As if i facing a case of yours, i will use the akta kanak kanak too if terdesak. If your baby LO because of severe sepsis, or status epi, or even early meningitis. Masuk court, they lawyer will ask why u dun use akta kanak kanak to protect the infants, why give time to parents go to private or feed in ur ac car. Why u cant diagnosed presumed sepsis?

I pretty sure that time you will blame KK for not practicing DEFENSIVE MEDICINE.

Now you got all your time to post this and that because what KK did is correct.

Do remeber that infant body mechanisms is not as simple as u think off.

Private is good when u are healthy enough to fight back. You can ask around, how many nazak case they sent off to gov when they cant handle or insurance dah habis.

I really hope gov can privatize the healthcare system. Its collapsing. Rotting inside out. With the demanding patients and many staff are resigning to a better place.

Who suffer in the end. Patients juga.

I don't know I'm not your doctor i don't even know your name how to tell whether its indicated or not.

Peanuts pay the bill. Want better healthcare? Write letter to mp to spend more on our healthcare instead of medical cards that will just get cranked to its limit the moment youre admitted into private.
With better spending in our healthcare, we can afford to hire and train nore personnels so they wont be overworked and burnt out. These people are still people.

This post has been edited by cursetheroad01: May 11 2023, 10:28 AM

I am actually over impressed by how over-care by KK.
I don't usually see this kind of service in government.
I recalled nurses from KK drove right in front of my door step to check my baby's situation during MCO.
Dedication aside, yeah they may have misdiagnosed, but still, would you had preferred them to just tidak apa attitiude just do ABC and forget about the level of care to your baby?
Don't know lah, but I think the part whereby they threatened to call polis if you don't allow your baby to go to ambulance, is a bit extreme.

Exactly i think public need to adress correctly.

Facilities are the prblem. They expect docs and nurse to fix the aircod? Fix the pt loads?

Need more budget spending for hospitals upgrade. More KK more staffs. Looks at cyberjaya hospital. They even plan to outsource it due to short staff.
I think good to privatise and outsource everything. Many people take it for granted.

people complain but still don't want to pay their taxes.

it is simple, as long as only 10% pay taxes, our healthcare will continue to be burdened.

even GST won't save the situation, only mitigate it a bit more. Because if you bring in GST, you have to remove SST. So there is a marginal increase but not double or triple increase in tax revenues.

You wanna know the truth? if shit goes wrong with maternity cases in private, belum apa2 lagi akan hantar ke gov hospital. They WONT deal with complications and Obstetric Mortality.