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post Oct 13 2007, 09:50 PM, updated 16y ago

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post Oct 13 2007, 10:14 PM

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Shaun Wright-Phillips score the first goal in 10' minutes.
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post Oct 13 2007, 10:22 PM

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Yeah ! England will qualify group stage for sure !
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post Oct 13 2007, 10:25 PM

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It's 3-0 now... rclxms.gif
The second goal score by Rooney...
The third goal is an own goal by Estonia player...

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wow nice going England..keep it up
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post Oct 13 2007, 10:53 PM

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Wee, 3 - 0 flex.gif

That fella who scored own goal going to kena ()!*@#_!(@#!@#_!(@#. That fella aiming to own goal... laugh.gif
2nd half they can relax abit... tongue.gif

Wright Philips is short, but he's damn fast, I'm impressed. nod.gif

Btw, where's Beckham? Lawl! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 13 2007, 10:53 PM)
Wee, 3 - 0  flex.gif

That fella who scored own goal going to kena ()!*@#_!(@#!@#_!(@#. That fella aiming to own goal...  laugh.gif
2nd half they can relax abit...  tongue.gif

Wright Philips is short, but he's damn fast, I'm impressed.  nod.gif

Btw, where's Beckham? Lawl!  laugh.gif
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Beckham... rclxub.gif
Maybe he will come out in 2nd half or maybe he is injured so he can't play tis match... hmm.gif
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No chance Estonia going to comeback from 3-0 down tongue.gif

Now, hoping Scotland can keep up and maintain the score. nod.gif
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post Oct 13 2007, 11:03 PM

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The second half is started now...

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post Oct 13 2007, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(wayne_chen @ Oct 13 2007, 10:56 PM)
Beckham... rclxub.gif
Maybe he will come out in 2nd half or maybe he is injured so he can't play tis match... hmm.gif
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No, he is not selected for this match.

And, Lampard spectate only. tongue.gif

Maybe the next one. biggrin.gif

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Beckham rehabilitating from his injury occured from a match for LA Galaxy
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Very disappointing despite the lead. I'd go ballistic if Lampard comes on. I think Bentley needs his game-time. Stop f***ing around, McClaren. Lescott was a good move but you only put him on because of an injury. Same way Richards got exposed. Can't you DO one on your own and not let injury force your hand. I demand Bentley!!!!!
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 13 2007, 11:25 PM)
Very disappointing despite the lead. I'd go ballistic if Lampard comes on. I think Bentley needs his game-time. Stop f***ing around, McClaren. Lescott was a good move but you only put him on because of an injury. Same way Richards got exposed. Can't you DO one on your own and not let injury force your hand. I demand Bentley!!!!!
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Well, Lampard did come in. tongue.gif
Boring second half. whistling.gif
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3-0 FT i almost fell asleep T_T
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post Oct 13 2007, 11:53 PM

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FT 3-0

Not great performance but in the end, job well done smile.gif
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Whole match was shit. Luck's on our side though. smile.gif

Just hope we get a win against Russia and McClaren has some sort of sickness that causes him to rest till September 2008 and Mourinho gets the England job and sticks one up Robinson's hairy arse
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Aiyoo, wasted a few nice opportunity else the final score would be 5 - 0. shakehead.gif

Ah, win can already. tongue.gif
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Disappointing.
3-0 against Estonia? And 3 lucky goals at that.

Real test is on Wednesday. But then again, the England side should always be able to beat Russia. McClaren better not screw this up.

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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Oct 14 2007, 12:03 AM)
Disappointing.
3-0 against Estonia? And 3 lucky goals at that.
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I could understand not wanting to PUSH harder and risk anything (especially to the yellow cards and Owen) but the changes made were pathetic. Why the f*** not someone who hasn't played internationally? What would Lampard do? Gain a cap and that's it? Give it to someone who has something to prove. mad.gif
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Starting to like Wright Philips... nod.gif

I think he is the fastest player in tonight's match.
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Striker Fernando Torres will miss Spain's Euro 2008 qualifiers after suffering a small muscle tear in his right leg in training. And he is now a major doubt for next Saturday's Merseyside derby.

Hope he doesn't play, for his health sake whistling.gif
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 14 2007, 01:04 AM)
I could understand not wanting to PUSH harder and risk anything (especially to the yellow cards and Owen) but the changes made were pathetic. Why the f*** not someone who hasn't played internationally? What would Lampard do? Gain a cap and that's it? Give it to someone who has something to prove.  mad.gif
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well, guess after all macca does not have the balls to let the star sit on the bench for the entire game....

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Oct 14 2007, 12:08 AM)
well, guess after all macca does not have the balls to let the star sit on the bench for the entire game....
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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Oct 14 2007, 12:03 AM)
Disappointing.
3-0 against Estonia? And 3 lucky goals at that.

Real test is on Wednesday. But then again, the England side should always be able to beat Russia. McClaren better not screw this up.
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Will need to see how they perform on the artificial turf though hmm.gif

QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 14 2007, 12:04 AM)
I could understand not wanting to PUSH harder and risk anything (especially to the yellow cards and Owen) but the changes made were pathetic. Why the f*** not someone who hasn't played internationally? What would Lampard do? Gain a cap and that's it? Give it to someone who has something to prove.  mad.gif
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Perhaps Steve is thinking of going a 4-5-1 safety first @ Russia and bring in Lampard as 5th midfield? hmm.gif

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(L)RUSSIA V ENGLAND

Channel: Astro SuperSport (811)
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2007
Time: 10:55:00 PM

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LIVE: EURO 2008 Qualifier: Russia vs England, from Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow.


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YOU actually think that Macca has the balls to drop a star player in Rooney?
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 14 2007, 12:44 AM)
YOU actually think that Macca has the balls to drop a star player in Rooney?
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11967_2794561,00.html

An article where Paul Merson think Lampard will play against Russia in a 4-5-1 with Owen making way [2 games in 5 days after surgery?]

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First of all, I still think we can play 4-4-2 against Russia. We blitz them in Wembley and we have enough quality to do it again in their home artificial turf. Secondly, I doubt Macca can play any other way apart from a boring conventional 4-4-2. Thirdly, we can go on and on on how well Lamps has done for Chelsea but fact is Barry has came in and since he and Gerrard has teamed up, we have scored 10 goals in three matches with three clean sheets? Fourthly, I'd go to say that Lampard isn't good enough to play on his own. His career only got going when he had Makalele and Essien to start cleaning his shit so he could bomb forward and Gerrard ain't going to do that.

For me, 4-4-2 with Lampard on the bench. No other way and I think Owen was placed in cotton to protect him from injuries and to protect himself from Sam
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Cole concern for England
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Steve McClaren has confirmed Ashley Cole is a doubt to face Russia on Wednesday after injuring his ankle against Estonia.

The England left-back landed awkwardly when tracking back inside his own box and was clearly in discomfort while receiving treatment.

Cole had to be carried off on a stretcher having been unable to walk under his own power.

There was obvious concern on the England bench and McClaren admits it will be an anxious next 24 hours waiting to discover the full extent of the injury.

"Ashley Cole is obviously a doubt," McClaren told Sky Sports. "He rocked his ankle.

"That will be assessed over the next 24 hours which will be a critical period.

"It was a bit unfortunate because we were only going to give him another 10 or 15 minutes to make sure we started the second-half well."

Terry getting better

England could welcome back John Terry in Russia after McClaren gave a positive update on the England captain's knee injury.

He said: "John Terry looked better again this morning and we'll assess it tomorrow.

"If he gets better and better who knows, Monday he might train or travel with us and train on Tuesday.

"But he's still a doubt."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12010_2799486,00.html
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What are the chances of Leighton Baines making it in place of A.Cole I wonder...?
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I have a strong feeling and won't be surprised if Barry was pushed to LB and Lampard start.


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Oh cmon...i feel Steve o Mac finally had da ballz to drop Lampard and move on with the current formation. To be precise, the first half starting IX did it better and i believe will set the foundation for more games to come.

No offence to Lamps, but when your coaching position is at stake with another 2 more games and Gareth Barry playing immensively well in DM, why in da blue world you'd wanna revert him to LB and bring on Lamps in da middle.

Here, let me give u a scenario..of what's gonna happen. STevie G gets the ball, passes to SWP crosses to Rooney who'll slips past a few defenders (possibly), sets the ball to Owen but was deflected by a defender who puts the ball into Lamps feet. Lamps sees Owen firmly in an open area..frantically waving his hand and doing da hula hula dance "Pass da freakin ball to me".

My guess is as good as da whole load of English fans...Lamps going for glory takes another stinging shot which lands firmly on da keeper hands.

p.s. After 5 attempts of similar field rage, he hits da post to say da least and has Stevie G commenting to da press "It's hard done by to have Barry dropped to the subs or reverted to LB"

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Hopefully this wednesday match able to see Lampard play.
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 15 2007, 03:59 PM)
Hopefully this wednesday match able to see Lampard play.
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shouldn't left SWP as usual he would be the defence breaker and J Cole to assist any player for goals and more goals
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 14 2007, 12:05 AM)
Starting to like Wright Philips...  nod.gif

I think he is the fastest player in tonight's match.
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 15 2007, 02:59 PM)
Hopefully this wednesday match able to see Lampard play.
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yeah...hopefully
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Latest news says that

Robinson
LB - Shorey or Neville
CB - Ferdinand - Terry (or Richards if Terry's unfit)
RB - Young (if Richards' CB)

Midfield 3 - Gerrard-Barry-Lampard
Front 3-Cole-Owen-Rooney

I think the defence's bollocks. I'd go with

Shorey-Ferdinand-Campbell-Richards (if Terry isn't fit)
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QUOTE(wayne_chen @ Oct 15 2007, 03:22 PM)
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rooney is definitely one of the best stikers in the world with clinical finishing... well, in international level he might lack that bit of consitency... but in club level he is quite consistent imo.... except when he just recovered from injuries.. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Oct 15 2007, 03:19 PM)
rooney is definitely one of the best stikers in the world with clinical finishing... well, in international level he might lack that bit of consitency... but in club level he is quite consistent imo.... except when he just recovered from injuries.. thumbup.gif
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thats normal to professiional club player....international wise...he had to get used....he used to train with his colleague in MAN U rather than England laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 15 2007, 03:24 PM)
Is it 11 AM or PM? I think it's PM tongue.gif
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blush.gif Thanks. 11PM . laugh.gif
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this will be tough game since England never win at Russia for so long time. with ashley cole not on the left back, not much support for joe cole there. hopefully he can provide good ball to owen or rooney like last time goal when playing against estoni
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I think it is going to be a close match. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Katsumoto @ Oct 15 2007, 01:34 PM)
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Here, let me give u a scenario..of what's gonna happen. STevie G gets the ball, passes to SWP crosses to Rooney who'll slips past a few defenders (possibly), sets the ball to Owen but was deflected by a defender who puts the ball into Lamps feet. Lamps sees Owen firmly in an open area..frantically waving his hand and doing da hula hula dance "Pass da freakin ball to me".

My guess is as good as da whole load of English fans...Lamps going for glory takes another stinging shot which lands firmly on da keeper hands.

p.s. After 5 attempts of similar field rage, he hits da post to say da least and has Stevie G commenting to da press "It's hard done by to have Barry dropped to the subs or reverted to LB"
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Gotta Disagree...
After 5 similar attempts and England being 1-0 down, the 6th shot deflects off the defender who is trying to close him down, wrong footing the keeper and all will hail Lampard as England's saviour doh.gif
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my guess will be barry will swtich to LB for this match... now macca will not have problems bringing in lampard into the team.... all problems solve... but not a wise 1 i think =.=
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It would need the entire 11 players to be ready to do the job over there. If any of them is not willingly to work their socks off for the cause I can see England come unstuck in this game. It's time for the players to have a good performance. It's been a long time since I watch England have a goog game. If they were to play like last saturday they will be having a difficult time against the russian.

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Ah? Last saturday match was excellent, no? I think they played very well. flex.gif biggrin.gif

No chance for Estonia at all. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 16 2007, 05:09 PM)
Ah? Last saturday match was excellent, no? I think they played very wellflex.gif  biggrin.gif

No chance for Estonia at all.  tongue.gif
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I think the game's at 2150hrs? not 2300 hrs lah
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QUOTE(aw13 @ Oct 16 2007, 10:09 PM)
I think the game's at 2150hrs?  not 2300 hrs lah
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(L)RUSSIA V ENGLAND
Channel: Astro SuperSport(811)
Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2007
Time: 10:55:00 PM

Synopsis:
LIVE: EURO 2008 Qualifier: Russia vs England, from Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow.


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QUOTE(unknown @ Oct 16 2007, 11:07 PM)
(L)RUSSIA V ENGLAND
Channel:  Astro SuperSport(811)
Date:  Wednesday, October 17, 2007
Time:  10:55:00 PM

Synopsis:
LIVE: EURO 2008 Qualifier: Russia vs England, from Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow.
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If the game is at that time then I'll stay tune and watch the first half at least. I haven't given up waking up early to watch England game. Most of the time they have been a disappointment. So at least can watch first half and see how they perform in this situation.
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Sportcentre said that Lescott is going to fill in for Ashley Cole at LB..and Lampard will be on the bench..
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QUOTE(alpha_numeric182 @ Oct 16 2007, 11:13 PM)
Sportcentre said that Lescott is going to fill in for Ashley Cole at LB..and Lampard will be on the bench..
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If mcclown select Lescott ahead of P. Neville got balls for the Russian clash. It would be a difficult test for him to be playing in this high pressure circumstances. He looks uncertain when he came in sat game. Moreover his undecisiveness that lead to A.Cole injury.
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QUOTE(aw13 @ Oct 16 2007, 10:09 PM)
I think the game's at 2150hrs?  not 2300 hrs lah
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It's 11PM. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Oct 16 2007, 07:11 PM)
We must have been watching a different game then  unsure.gif
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QUOTE(qspn @ Oct 16 2007, 11:20 PM)
If mcclown select Lescott ahead of P. Neville got balls for the Russian clash. It would be a difficult test for him to be playing in this high pressure circumstances. He looks uncertain when he came in sat game. Moreover his undecisiveness that lead to A.Cole injury.
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i agree..i would prefer Neville than Lescott..he's a much more experienced player..i have no idea what McClaren is thinking..let's just hope that Sportcentre got it wrong for McClaren's sake.. tongue.gif
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England have received a huge boost with the news that captain John Terry has been cleared to play against Russia on Wednesday.

The Chelsea skipper missed the weekend clash with Estonia due to a knee injury picked up in training last week.

Now after coming through sessions on Monday and Tuesday in Moscow, England's medical staff have cleared Terry to play.

Terry is now set to return to the starting XI at the expense of Sol Campbell, who replaced him against Estonia.

Fully fit

"Yes, I'm fully fit," confirmed Terry.

"My knee had sort of locked up, I think a bit of bone or cartilage was floating about and then it swelled up. With massage it has managed to dislodge itself."

Operation

It was revealed, however, that Terry would require a minor operation on his knee in the near future.

"I will have to have an operation in the near future, it is just a question of when.

"We will have to remove that bit of floating bone. I will be back playing in a week after the op I am told."

Terry admits his side are looking back to 2003 when England went to Turkey and claimed a goalless draw to seal a place at Euro 2004.

"I think we can emulate the Istanbul team," Terry said. "To do it over here will be a great achievement.

"It is going to be tough place. There will be a very hostile crowd and they will be a very different team to the one we beat last month. They are going to be pumped up after getting beat at Wembley."

English heroes

Terry also admitted he wants his side to kick-off what could be a great week for English sport, with the Rugby Union team in the World Cup final on Saturday, and Lewis Hamilton in position to claim the Formula One world title on Sunday.

"It is a challenge for us but hopefully we can do the right thing and get the right result and then it is down to the rugby boys and Lewis Hamilton.

"It starts with us and hopefully we can get the job done.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11966_2803932,00.html
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John Terry's involvement in England's Euro 2008 qualifier against Russia has been thrown into major doubt.

The centre-back, who had only just been passed fit for the clash, locked his knee in Tuesday afternoon's training and now looks certain to miss the vital encounter.

The Chelsea man was absent from the weekend clash with Estonia due to a knee injury picked up in training last week.

However, he had been given the green light to play after coming through sessions on Monday and Tuesday morning in Moscow.

But Steve McClaren has now confirmed that Terry is almost certainly out of Wednesday's game after failing to come through the afternoon session unscathed.

"John Terry is almost certainly ruled out of tomorrow's match. His knee locked towards the end of training and he could not complete the session," he said.

Sol Campbell is likely to replace Terry in the heart of the England defence after starting alongside Rio Ferdinand in Saturday's 3-0 win over Estonia.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_2804388,00.html
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awwh.... a 360 turn in progress. thought that the captain was recovering well,... anyway, i think has enough quality in depth to deal with the absence of terry... campbell will be good imo... or maybe richards...
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awwh.... a 360 turn in progress. thought that the captain was recovering well,... anyway, i think has enough quality in depth to deal with the absence of terry... campbell will be good imo... or maybe richards...
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You shouldn't risk the player if he is not fit. He might suffer from a reaction by forcing himself to play in this game. Moreover in a plastic pitch. A nation such as England should have the depth in the squad to carry out without their captain.


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That kind of talk doesn't inspire the players cause it sounds like the manager is desperate. It doesn't show that the manager has the charisma or leadership to lead the team. If he needs a hero then maybe he should ask Hiro Nakumara. Yataaaa!!!! rolleyes.gif

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Aww, Terry and Cole both are not going to play... So at the back is Rio, Campbell.... Who else..? hmm.gif
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Aww, Terry and Cole both are not going to play... So at the back is Rio, Campbell.... Who else..?  hmm.gif
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Nice... Is this confirmed or just guess only? tongue.gif The lineup not available yet, right?

Forward... Rooney & Tevez? Rooney & Saha? I prefer Rooney & Saha. flex.gif
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why Lescott is chosen ahead of Neville? does Russia pose a physical threat? the only rasional explanation that i could think of is Lescott is good in the air and has a physical attribute..

i think Russia is gonna see this left side as England's weakness..expect a lot of Russian assault on the left hand side..
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 17 2007, 05:21 PM)
Nice... Is this confirmed or just guess only?  tongue.gif  The lineup not available yet, right?

Forward... Rooney & Tevez? Rooney & Saha?  I prefer Rooney & Saha.  flex.gif
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Dude, this is England thread....what Tevez & Saha? laugh.gif

It seems Lescott will get the nod ahead of Phil/Shorey to replace Ashley Cole that unless something happen else that probably will be the back four for 2nite.

QUOTE(alpha_numeric182 @ Oct 17 2007, 05:23 PM)
why Lescott is chosen ahead of Neville? does Russia pose a physical threat? the only rasional explanation that i could think of is Lescott is good in the air and has a physical attribute..

i think Russia is gonna see this left side as England's weakness..expect a lot of Russian assault on the left hand side..
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Phil doesn't look comfortable playing as LB when he did that for some of the past England games. The only advantage he has over both Lescott & Shorey is his experience.

Russia did targeted the right side at Wembley where SWP was exposed defensively so I think they might do it again.

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Nice... Is this confirmed or just guess only?  tongue.gif  The lineup not available yet, right?

Forward... Rooney & Tevez? Rooney & Saha?  I prefer Rooney & Saha.  flex.gif
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dude..i think u got the wrong thread..this is England not Man Utd..
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Nice... Is this confirmed or just guess only?  tongue.gif  The lineup not available yet, right?

Forward... Rooney & Tevez? Rooney & Saha?  I prefer Rooney & Saha.  flex.gif
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Rooney + Owen smile.gif
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!()@*#()#!()@*#(#!)@*#!@#!

Sorry peeps, shet I got mixed up... Thinking too much of MU already... Ppfffttt! oops.gif doh.gif

Yesh, Rooney & Owen forward. flex.gif
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 17 2007, 05:21 PM)
Nice... Is this confirmed or just guess only?  tongue.gif  The lineup not available yet, right?

Forward... Rooney & Tevez? Rooney & Saha?  I prefer Rooney & Saha.  flex.gif
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I believe this is the England national talk. How come debating over Utd forward lineup over here. hmm.gif

I think Mcclown will play 5 across midfield because the nature of the game at stake. I think he should stick with the last eleven that did okay in the last 2 games. Apart replacing A.Cole that is injured at the moment.
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I believe this is the England national talk. How come debating over Utd forward lineup over here.  hmm.gif

I think Mcclown will play 5 across midfield because the nature of the game at stake. I think he should stick with the last eleven that did okay in the last 2 games. Apart replacing A.Cole that is injured at the moment.
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Russia v England preview

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England can clinch a place in the finals of Euro 2008 if they secure three points against Russia on Wednesday, in a game which can be seen live on Sky Sports 1 from 3.30 pm.

Manager Steve McClaren has steered England to five consecutive 3-0 successes in qualifying Group E and another maximum point haul against Russia in Moscow would see supporters begin the search for affordable accommodation in Austria and Switzerland next summer.

Russia, though, are in desperate need of the points as they bid to keep their own qualification hopes alive and they are unlikely to roll over in the style of their 3-0 defeat in September's Wembley meeting between the two sides.

Much has been made of the Luzhniki Stadium's plastic pitch which will host the crucial clash, but McClaren remains his confident self and is focused on his team.

Positive

McClaren persistently pushes positive thinking, but he will have been rocked by the likely injury enforced absence of his captain John Terry and he will definitely be without Ashley Cole.

Terry had been passed fit to play against Russia, having missed the Estonia game, but the defender's troublesome knee locked in training on Tuesday and he is rated as a major doubt with Sol Campbell again ready to deputise.

Cole damaged his ankle against Estonia following a defensive mix up with Joleon Lescott, who could be in line to replace the absent Chelsea full-back.

Lescott, who played out the majority of the second-half against Estonia at left-back following Cole's early exit, could be in line to start his first game for his country but McClaren must decide between the Everton defender, his experienced club colleague Phil Neville or Reading's Nicky Shorey.

Formidable

Frank Lampard is expected to be forced to settle for a place on the bench once again as Steven Gerrard and Gareth Barry continue to form a formidable central midfield partnership, while Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney should maintain an attacking spearhead.

Meanwhile, Russia manager Guus Hiddink is determined to secure the three points for his side.

Hiddink recently agreed a new contract to keep him in control of the Russian reins until the 2010 World Cup, but the Dutchman knows anything less than a win would provide him with an uphill task in securing a finals appearance before that tournament.

Russia will be missing first choice winger Vladimir Bystrov and fellow midfielder Ivan Saenko, but they have no other major concerns as they plot a frosty reception for England.


http://www.skysports.com/football/match_pr...2665870,00.html

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I think he must be shaking in his pants now with the pressure from the Russian game. My foot that he relish this challenge when he called for his player to be heroes. If England struggle to get past this group I don't see them winning the competition next summer. If they qualify the most they will do is make the Q-Final with McClown on the helm of England.
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I think he must be shaking in his pants now with the pressure from the Russian game. My foot that he relish this challenge when he called for his player to be heroes. If England struggle to get past this group I don't see them winning the competition next summer. If they qualify the most they will do is make the Q-Final with McClown on the helm of England.
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And that is due to talents in the team. Nothing to do with his 'great' management or tactical skills wink.gif
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I cannot believe that England has sunk so low that she has to play Phillip "oh-it's-another-penalty' Neville at left back and have fans calling him the 'better' alternative... but that's just me
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I seriously don't like Lampard playing.You know in the Germany World Cup last year,he got the most shot than any other player and you know what?End up without begging a single damn goal!whaattt the foookk!!??Go for Barry!:D

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I cannot believe that England has sunk so low that she has to play Phillip "oh-it's-another-penalty' Neville at left back and have fans calling him the 'better' alternative... but that's just me
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I guess the only reason some said Phil would be better alternative are because of his experience and they prefer someone experienced in this kind of crucial game?

Plus England only has Ashley Cole & Wayne Bridge as the experienced natural LB. Others like Lescott [who is a CB]/Baines/Shorey/etc are still new to the team.

I have no problem Lescott playing @ Russia but he will have to improve his game. He was a bit shaky when he came on against Estonia and it was sort of his fault which caused the injury to Ashley Cole.

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I seriously don't like Lampard playing.You know in the Germany World Cup last year,he got the most shot than any other player and you know what?End up without begging a single damn goal!whaattt the foookk!!??Go for Barry!:D
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Lescott... it WAS his fault that Ashley Cole got injured, no two ways to put it... down to inexperience perhaps... sadly for me the natural choice for left back is now Gareth Barry, sadly Hargreaves is out injured, so there's no replacement for Barry in CM...
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Oct 17 2007, 07:48 PM)
Lescott... it WAS his fault that Ashley Cole got injured, no two ways to put it... down to inexperience perhaps... sadly for me the natural choice for left back is now Gareth Barry, sadly Hargreaves is out injured, so there's no replacement for Barry in CM...
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Barry is doing well alongside Stevie at the moment so not sure if its a good idea to move him to LB [even if Hargreaves is available - which he is not].

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Opta: Cool Cole

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With the most important game England have faced since Steve McClaren was appointed looming, fans all over the country should be relieved the 'right Cole' got injured against Estonia last Saturday.

Although Ashley Cole and his runs on the left will be definitely missed on the Russian artificial pitch on Wednesday, the presence of an in-form Joe Cole could once again be the key to England's success.

The Three Lions are unbeaten in normal play over the last three years when the Chelsea midfielder has started in competitive games.

Competitive games since Aug 2004  Cole started  Cole did not start     
Wins  12  6   
Draws  2  3   
Losses  0  2   
Win %  85.7%  54.5%

He has played in the last four competitive games and England won all of them with the same score line, 3-0, with the most convincing performances since the ex-Middlesbrough manager took over two years ago.

Player  Joe Cole
Appearances  4
Minutes On Pitch  344
Goal Attempts 
Goals  1
Shots On Target  3
Shots Off Target  5
Passing 
Goal Assists  2
Total Passes  184
Pass Completion %  84%
Crossing 
Total Crosses  18
Cross Completion %  22%
Dribbling 
Dribbles & Runs  14
Dribble Completion %  71%
Discipline 
Fouls  7
Yellow Cards  2
Red Cards  0


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12011_2802447,00.html

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If Hargreaves is available it is possible to shift Barry to left back. Like most of you guys put it P. Neville will offer more experience and solid at the left back position. While Lescott would be asking too much for him since he is unexperienced at this level. So it is reasonable that McClown to field P. Neville in this game since they is plenty riding on it. It is must not lose game for England. If England find this kind of game difficult I think they can easily write their chances to win this competition next summer. A great side would stamp their authority against a good side but nowadays team has the intention of not to be beaten.

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Four England fans hospitalised
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Four England fans were taken to hospital after being injured ahead of the clash against Russia, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said.

Two have already been discharged and the remaining two are expected to be released from hospital in Moscow later on Wednesday.

They suffered minor injuries in a fight on Tuesday night, an FCO spokesman said, although he could not confirm whether they were attacked by rival football supporters.

Officials from the British embassy in Moscow are on standby in case of further trouble around the crunch game, which kicks off at 4pm.

The FCO spokesman said: "As with every international match, a lot of liaison does go on between the relevant policing authorities, the football associations and other interested parties so that everything runs smoothly and with the minimum of incident.''

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i hate lampard to start. and i donno why! anyone here noticed that back-four was all black last game vs Estonia...hahahah
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Match haven't started already got fights going on... sweat.gif
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England team: Robinson; Richards, Ferdinand, Campbell, Lescott; Wright-Phillips, Gerrard, Barry, J Cole; Rooney, Owen.

Subs: James, Shorey, L Young, Lampard, P Neville, Downing, Crouch.
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Nice list of players... flex.gif

Aiyaa, Lampard sub again... sweat.gif
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gotta give credit to McClown, he's gone for the win.
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Nice list of players...  flex.gif

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lampard is sub again? it's on the tv now? sob sob... no tv to watch here..
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McClown going to stabilize his team by just replacing injured players rather than changing the personnel. I have to give him credit on that. Didn't succumb to pressure by fielding Lampard. Lescott will find this game a difficult one for him. In this game we shall see whether he is international class and make the step up
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They are playing on a giant carpet!
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Roooney!!! A good jump by Owen to set up Rooney for the half volley
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England have been getting positive results and have played well without Lampard in the side so far hence his exclusion.

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Hey, we a bunch of 'i care not for england' fans are actually watching an English game smile.gif


Added on October 17, 2007, 11:42 pmThe russians seem to be a bunch of whiners at the moment.

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Russia threat more on left side, hope Lescott will defense more better on 2nd half. Nice volley from Rooney.
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England is at the back foot most part of the game. But the very least the result is favoring them at the moment. They need to keep on defending much better then will get 3 point in the bag to ensure qualification for Euro 2008
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The Astro Turf carpet looks horrible ! The ball never seems to stop rolling and the players are having problem trying to get some grip.
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Russia threat more on left side, hope Lescott will defense more better on 2nd half. Nice volley from Rooney.
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Kindly update the thread with the scores if you can.

I updated the first goal on the title bar just now, but now i'm off to bed. Got meeting tomolow and another long day at work.


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Kindly update the thread with the scores if you can.

I updated the first goal on the title bar just now, but now i'm off to bed. Got meeting tomolow and another long day at work.
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Thanks for updates the scores smile.gif I'll update the score line after the game finish .
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So far so good, both are equally good in terms of defensive and attack. Continue, back to the match! flex.gif
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Eng will qualify no matter what...
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Silly YC from Rio doh.gif rclxub.gif will now miss next match against Croatia at Wembley [which might not matter if qualification is secured against Russia].

Rooney's goal: http://rapidshare.com/files/63221214/Russi...nd_-_Rooney.avi

A penalty for a foul OUTSIDE the box?? mad.gif

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Rooney the villain now by conceding a penalty against the Russian. Barry looks really good at centre midfield. England at the back foot now
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Bloody ref. Damn him. The player was diving into the box doh.gif Rooney's dive didn't help : / He was diving as if he was fouled as well doh.gif
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It is absolute disaster for England. Just like how the commentator put it. England player look scrappy at the back. Let see whether the player got character to get at least a draw
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Russia put in 2 goals in 5 minutes. Oops!


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what will mc claren do now?


Added on October 18, 2007, 12:35 amhey popsoul is guilty of watching too!

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As it stands, we are out regardless?
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sigh, suppose gerrard should make it 2-0 already ... this is football, u make a mistake, u pay the price...
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sigh, suppose gerrard should make it 2-0 already ... this is football, u make a mistake, u pay the price...
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Oct 18 2007, 12:34 AM)
what will mc claren do now?


Added on October 18, 2007, 12:35 amhey popsoul is guilty of watching too!
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Livescore do me fine. biggrin.gif
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so our fate is in their hands? Let's face it. We won't win Euro 2008. I am indifferent as long as Mourinho or something could take over. It has been long since we have had a decent manager in place.
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Bring in Lampard. Such a long distance but i sense that he can rescue.
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Oct 18 2007, 12:38 AM)
No i am not watching, not England fans though.

Livescore do me fine.  biggrin.gif
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Hoho. Imagine if England were to go out. We may have to tour Asia to compensate for the financial loss of not qualifying for Euro 2008. And imagine tomorrow's newspapers.
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Tomorrow's headline McClown blame players for not being a heroes when he need them to be. There is a few minutes left in the game left. England look desperate when going forward and defending. I think they won't qualify if they lost this game. We can sing NA!!!! NANAAAA!!! McClown
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back to our epl rivalry then huh kobe... until the 2010 WC qualifiers at least?
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back to our epl rivalry then huh kobe... until the 2010 WC qualifiers at least?
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england close to losing this game...

will McClown be fried after this or after england out of EURO? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(qspn @ Oct 18 2007, 12:45 AM)
Tomorrow's headline McClown blame players for not being a heroes when he need them to be. There is a few minutes left in the game left. England look desperate when going forward and defending. I think they won't qualify if they lost this game. We can sing NA!!!! NANAAAA!!! McClown
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back to our epl rivalry then huh kobe... until the 2010 WC qualifiers at least?
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Yeah. Even if we did qualify, we would continue our rivalry by late June anyway. Doubt we'll go far. Well, can Mourinho coach England? 9 years supporting England, more lows than highs. Heck two highs I remember were under Sven: away England win against Germany and Beckham's last minute free kick against Greece.

Lows? Lost against France and Portugal and now this.


Added on October 18, 2007, 12:51 amRef should be shot. McClaren should be shot. End of story.

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Oct 18 2007, 12:53 AM)
who wud have thought..hope israel wud do england a favour..cant imagine not having england in euro..
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Does McClaren resign during the post match conference and maintain some semblance of dignity, or will it be a tedious 'finish what i started' affair... btw Sven must be laughing his head off at the moment
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Russia is not weak... sweat.gif

After the 2nd goal scored by them, they keep attacking non stop... sweat.gif

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Have been watching the match for the second half. I missed Russian second goal doh.gif

Can anyone or TS upload the replays once it's available?
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Does McClaren resign during the post match conference and maintain some semblance of dignity, or will it be a tedious 'finish what i started' affair... btw Sven must be laughing his head off at the moment
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who wud have thought..hope israel wud do england a favour..cant imagine not having england in euro..
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If England have to rely on this kind of favor then they don't deserve to be in this competition. The team that qualify here is due to merits rather they are big team. It might happen with the France group as well. Either France or Italy might not qualify if Scots win their game. There is no divine right just because you're a big nation to qualify for that tournament
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Ref. make mistakes for the penalty kick, clearly the foul outside the box. The England hope for Euro2008 very slim, I don't think Russia will blow this golden chance.
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Nah, end our misery.
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Added on October 18, 2007, 12:59 amoww yea..and the camera angle sucks!!reminds me of highbury...

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QUOTE(unknown @ Oct 18 2007, 12:57 AM)
Ref. make mistakes for the penalty kick, clearly the foul outside the box. The England hope for Euro2008 very slim, I don't think Russia will blow this golden chance.
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Yes, it probably wasn't a penalty (foul outside the box) but still, we should have been way ahead of the group by now. Sigh, thumbs down McClaren regardless of whether Israel do us a favor or not.
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englang beating russia 3-0 in wembley didn't tell the whole story

i know liao, when england go russia, sure die 1...
artificial pitch, very hostile fans and very cold weather.....

LOL 2-1

even the referee also on russian side
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Match Highlights

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Oct 18 2007, 12:58 AM)
the last two 3 matches were a joy to watch..winning by big margin and i just thought mclaren was finally having a grip on the team..i am rooting for spain for euro but sumhow england has a special place in my heart..ceh.. tongue.gif


Added on October 18, 2007, 12:59 amoww yea..and the camera angle sucks!!reminds me of highbury...
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McClaren is a joke. The changes that he made to the team that were good were all forced and not by him. We had Richards in only when Gaz was out. Lamps was dropped only when he was injured. We would never have dropped him if he were fit. Results can be deceiving. We probably didn't deserve to lose this game but we didn't steamroll our mediocre oppositions. We were scrappy and at times, shitty.
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russia deserve the win....from the way they played and attacked...
especially the last minutes while england all out...they did well in couple of counter attacking...
so can any1 list out the the scenario which england will get through to Euro?
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Match Highlights

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i dun think we are going to see england play football as long as mcclaren is there..and after this,we are going to see another "which englishman to be the next england manager" saga..to be honest,sven was doing fine...this english manager policy by the FA is going to kill england..
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I have feeling Jose Mourinho.will be next England coach.
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QUOTE(unknown @ Oct 18 2007, 01:09 AM)
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QUOTE(pandazhun @ Oct 18 2007, 01:03 AM)
russia deserve the win....from the way they played and attacked...
especially the last minutes while england all out...they did well in couple of counter attacking...
so can any1 list out the the scenario which england will get through to Euro?
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QUOTE(unknown @ Oct 18 2007, 01:09 AM)
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now that would be interesting.. brows.gif

it was all going England's way..up to the penalty incident..maybe the pitch play its part as well.. whistling.gif

and what a miss by Gerrard..it was a glorious chance to seal the match..he must be kicking himself right about now..

bye bye McClaren bye.gif
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Pity. But a lose is a lose, now they'll go out and out for a 1 nil win against the Croatian... Personally i think Mourinho suits England, at least he knows his ex-players better than McClaren does (Lamps, both Cole, SWP, Terry)
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I only watch last 20 mins. But what I see England is playing like headless chicken. Very bad passing and tactic. Long ball, long ball..... I thought last few matches they played good passing and possession football. The attack just can't build up, bcoz Russia play a clever tactic.

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QUOTE(smwah @ Oct 18 2007, 01:41 AM)
I only watch last 20 mins. But what I see England is playing like headless chicken. Very bad passing and tactic. Long ball, long ball..... I thought last few matches they played good passing and possession football. The attack just can't build up, bcoz Russia play a clever tactic.
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ENGLAND boss Steve McClaren rounded on the referee after seeing his side's hopes of European Championship qualification suffer a potentially fatal blow against Russia.

Wayne Rooney gave England a half-time lead with a brilliant volleyed opener but substitute Roman Pavluchenko levelled from the spot and was first to react to Paul Robinson's parry minutes later.

McClaren struggled to process the fact England had lost and blamed referee Luis Medina Cantalejo for awarding a penalty against Rooney when his challenge appeared outside the box.

"We had it. It was in our grasp and we've ended up losing it," McClaren said on Sky Sports 1.

"I've just seen the penalty again. It's an absolute disgrace . It's outside the box. The linesman didn't give it. It was the referee from quite some distance. Things like that turn games.

"We were comfortable. They were running out of ideas and that just turned the game.

"It was a mad four minutes after that and unfortunately we conceded a second.

"But I can't fault the players for the gameplan, the way they've endeavoured to work, the commitment, the blocks we got in, the headers."

"We've ended up losing a game that really, after 70 minutes, I never thought we'd lose."

Stand-in skipper Steven Gerrard missed a glorious chance to make it 2-0 to England and McClaren admitted the visitors were made to pay.

The coach continued: "You get very few chances coming away. We failed to take them."

McClaren refused to blame the controversial artificial pitch on which the game was played.

"The pitch had nothing to do with it," he said.

"It was lively. They had more preparation, but I'm not making that an excuse."

England now must hope Russia fail to win in Israel on November 17 to stand any real chance of qualifying.

McClaren added: "Obviously it puts us in a bad position. It's out of our hands. We've got to rely on Israel getting a result from Russia next month and then we take it from there.

"We're not giving up. We'll take it to the end."

McClaren is hoping Israel do his side a favour.

"It's a tough place to go, Israel," he said.

"Russia, the pressure's on again. They have to go and win.

"They've still got a lot of work to do."

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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Oct 18 2007, 02:14 AM)
i was laughing when i c mcclaren substituted joe cole and bringing in stewart downing.....geezzz....how can downing be better than joe cole in the left hand side...he must hav lost his mind..... doh.gif
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Steve Downing, can't run down the defence, passing also so so. Cole can bring the ball inside. What Lampard doing in the last minute?
That shown Steven Mclaren can't play in competative level. He can bully others team, but when the opponent really play then kelam kabut already.
As many ppl said, England haven really tested, so now tested. Can we give conclusion?
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QUOTE(smwah @ Oct 18 2007, 03:03 AM)
Steve Downing, can't run down the defence, passing also so so. Cole can bring the ball inside. What Lampard doing in the last minute?
That shown Steven Mclaren can't play in competative level. He can bully others team, but when the opponent really play then kelam kabut already.
As many ppl said, England haven really tested, so now tested. Can we give conclusion?
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now england need to win their last match against croatia and hope israel hold russia at least to a draw for them to qualify , their qualification is not up to them now
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Steve Downing, can't run down the defence, passing also so so. Cole can bring the ball inside. What Lampard doing in the last minute?
That shown Steven Mclaren can't play in competative level. He can bully others team, but when the opponent really play then kelam kabut already.
As many ppl said, England haven really tested, so now tested. Can we give conclusion?
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No fighting spirit,that's the key point. And they sort of nervous when facing 80k russian if you see it clearly Passing is not powerful enough , no idea how to create chance . Lescott is not so capable in wing side too. nod.gif
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This result clearly shows that this England side is grossly overated.
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QUOTE(smwah @ Oct 18 2007, 03:03 AM)
Steve Downing, can't run down the defence, passing also so so. Cole can bring the ball inside. What Lampard doing in the last minute?
That shown Steven Mclaren can't play in competative level. He can bully others team, but when the opponent really play then kelam kabut already.
As many ppl said, England haven really tested, so now tested. Can we give conclusion?
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Well, the Russian were aware of Cole's way of playing and was quite adept in marking Cole..Remember, when Stewart Downing was brought on, England was already trailing 1-2 and was playing out of sorts..go ahead and blame England's loss bcoz of a player who went in with 12 minutes to play and not those who were already on the field from the start...dun know why McLaren insist on playing butterfingers Robinson tho..anyone who ever played competetive football, even at school level, knew with 12 minutes to play, you wont make any real impact..
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Well, the Russian were aware of Cole's way of playing and was quite adept in marking Cole..Remember, when Stewart Downing was brought on, England was already trailing 1-2 and was playing out of sorts..go ahead and blame England's loss bcoz of a player who went in with 12 minutes to play and not those who were already on the field from the start...dun know why McLaren insist on playing butterfingers Robinson tho..anyone who ever played competetive football, even at school level, knew with 12 minutes to play, you wont make any real impact..
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aik ..england kalah??
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is it almost same as play futsal ?

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England may have lost while many expected them to win but Russia are not pushovers. I think some credit must be given to them and the focus should not be totally on England. Here is an Eastern European team, all of whom are never easy to play at home, coached by Guus Hiddink, a man who took South Korea to the World Cup semifinals, Australia to the World Cup and PSV to the Champions League semifinals for the first time. They weren't exactly camel fodder.


Added on October 18, 2007, 8:41 amAs for Lescott playing at leftback? This isn't a club side, it's an international side with a wealth of players to choose from. So what if players like Shorey have little experience, it doesn't mean they'll choke. If anything, younger players can show more exuberance and enthusiasm.

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russia deserve it as they are playing for win and more energetic compare to england player which look like lost and just keep on defending.
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How come England will lose two goals at the last moment????
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I read in a few places that Russia at home are like Scotland at home alot of the "experts" said it ws going to be hard for England.

Also, remember Russia's coach is a national hero in Australia & S Korea (And us Aussies only got beaten because of cheating Italians....and the fact we couldn't score when they had 10 men for 60minutes) So Im not actually surprised but the result.

I think Mourn could be waiting for the England job you know, if England don't make it to the Euro's he's 100% gone and mourn is the only high profile manager available atm. With portugal odds on to go thourgh Scolari's job might be safe (for a while) But if he does get sacked I think England would do better with either Scolari or Mourn
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shakehead.gif Well i expected a shocker from the 3 lions and they succeeded in doing that. Comical defensive errors from a disorganize defense. The Russians wanted it more and they dug deep - kudos to them. The peno to kick start their comeback wasn't a peno but a free kick - the foul happened outside the box, but then again not an excuse. What more can be said except - BYE BYE McClown
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Credit to Russian.. they deserved their win.. England was a joke today.. i think Mclaren should put Johnny Wilkinson as their anchor.. he can tackle and has accurate kicking!!.. hehehehe... yeah... Johnny Wilkinson..
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England is big joke. Over the years they have under perform. This result doesn't surprise me as I already given up on supporting England. Moreover as more you stated that the Russian has more desire rather than the English players. They look clearly lost when they concede the goal. McClown can condemned the Ref all he one but the matter of fact the result still stand. He is only using that as an excuse to cover his inability to lead the team. Out with McClown and bring it someone is capable to carry out this job.
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England is big joke. Over the years they have under perform. This result doesn't surprise me as I already given up on supporting England. Moreover as more you stated that the Russian has more desire rather than the English players. They look clearly lost when they concede the goal. McClown can condemned the Ref all he one but the matter of fact the result still stand. He is only using that as an excuse to cover his inability to lead the team. Out with McClown and bring it someone is capable to carry out this job.
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may be gus hiddink is the best choice already ...

but still need wait till euro 2008 end ...

looks like russia fa really din waste money to hire him ...
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it's really a big blow for England. they must win against croatia and hope israel win or draw over russia. england don't deserve a win if they play like that. russia now have a better chance to qualify for euro 2008 and i think match against croatia is the last match for mclaren sad.gif
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QUOTE(wayne_chen @ Oct 18 2007, 09:04 AM)
How come England will lose two goals at the last moment????
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Lack of confidence maybe ler... sweat.gif

Russia played damn well seriously, high and far angle ball pass all damn smooth.... ph34r.gif
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Lack of confidence maybe ler...  sweat.gif

Russia played damn well seriously, high and far angle ball pass all damn smooth.... ph34r.gif
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means the artificial pitch really benefit them

england should build 1 as well and train there every week ... rclxms.gif
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the end of england's journey perhaps? hmm.gif

the match was quite even for both team.....and the wrong penalty decision really turned the tide.....too bad though.....

and wtf wif McClown subbed in Crouch?? more firepower ka??

haihzz~~ as usual England cannot be praise wan....once they become arrogant and think they can win everything (which is not...) then they lost..... typical Englishmen..... doh.gif
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the end of england's journey perhaps? hmm.gif

the match was quite even for both team.....and the wrong penalty decision really turned the tide.....too bad though.....

and wtf wif McClown subbed in Crouch?? more firepower ka??

haihzz~~ as usual England cannot be praise wan....once they become arrogant and think they can win everything (which is not...) then they lost..... typical Englishmen..... doh.gif
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whats wrong with Crouch, england need alternative to break russia defence and Crouch might be able to provide it...

the S.Downing subbed in for J.Cole is really the shocking part...well, thats McClown for us
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I'd like England to be in the Finals most definitely.
But if it takes non-qualification for them to revamp whatever that needs to be revamp with their system there, then so be it, miss out Euro 2008 Finals and find a cure.
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Glenn Hoddle felt that England were desperately unlucky against Russia.

The ex-England boss was convinced Steve McClaren got his tactics right but was undone by 10 minutes of magic from Russia's playmaker, Andrey Arshavin.

"It was coming," said Hoddle, "they did put us under pressure - they had a 10 minute spell where they put us under immense pressure and we defended it well.

"There was always going to be a spell where Russia were going to come at us.

"They were disappointing first half and found it hard to get through England, but you just sensed that they started to get the number 10, Arshavin on the ball and he really was a problem to us.

"He was getting a little bit of space in between our midfield and back four. He was the major threat. And obviously the substitutes came on and have been the difference with the goals.

"It wasn't a bad performance by England by any means. It just shows you that in international football you can dictate the game, but there was a 10 minute spell and they just went up a couple of gears. In that spell they've made the difference.

"England don't deserve that result. You've got to give credit to Russia for that 10 minute spell when they needed it.

"England's performance over the 90 minutes was pretty ideal for how they wanted to play here."

Wayne Rooney put England ahead but then let Russia back in as he pulled down Konstatin Zurianov and Spanish referee Luis Medina Cantalejo pointed to the spot.

But Hoddle was not convinced that the referee made the correct decision.

"Rooney did a lot of good defending in the centre of the pitch but he's ended up in the left back position and got caught out, although the offence actually happened outside the penalty area.

"But from where the referee is he's made that judgement, the linesman has to help him make the decision."

Hoddle also felt that Paul Robinson will be disappointed with Russia's second goal.

"It's a difficult one, I think if he had his time again he would parry it way out to the left back position. I think he's tried to catch it in the last second rather than push it away."

Jamie Redknapp also believed that the Tottenham stopper should have done better.

"For me Paul Robinson should have pushed it wider and got it out of the six yard box," said Redknapp.

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But Redknapp felt the game should have been wrapped up before then.

"The turning point in the match was when Steven Gerrard missed that glorious opportunity. That would have completely turned the game in our favour because they were starting to run out of ideas." added Redknapp.

"He miscues it - it seems to come off his ankle almost.

"He changes his body shape at the last second," said Hoddle, "he's going across the goalkeeper and then at the last second he just tries to get it in the near post and screws it wide."

McClaren's men will now hope that Israel can do them a favour and prevent Russia from beating them in their next match.

"We need Israel to do a massive favour for us," said Redknapp.

But Hoddle is concerned at how Israel will approach the match with nothing to play for: "I think it will be an open game and that will be a problem for England."


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even rooney has to defend for england means mclaren really play a deep defensive game after going up 1-0 ...

yes, macedonia draw really the deadly blow ...
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Even if the ref really admits his mistake, the result still stands. Eg, see Chelsea pens against Liverpool.
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disorganize, is the only word a can said. their positioning is awful, rooney def too deep. a talent of that should stand further up field to push opponent's wing-back at the back so they couldn't overlap. the way they def is awful all crowded in the penalty box and let the Russian surrounded them. even atm the commentator said the russian is lining up to shot at england goal post. training meh ;p they like small kid playing football juz clear d ball and no aim at all. c them play i feel sleepy.
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disorganize, is the only word a can said. their positioning is awful, rooney def too deep. a talent of that should stand further up field to push opponent's wing-back at the back so they couldn't overlap. the way they def is awful all crowded in the penalty box and let the Russian surrounded them. even atm the commentator said the russian is lining up to shot at england goal post. training meh ;p they like small kid playing football juz clear d ball and no aim at all. c them play i feel sleepy.
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so may be good news to rafa and ferguson, can has his key players rest during the summer of 2008 tongue.gif
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They better beg estonia hold a draw on their coming match or England are out .
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why beckham dont play anymore?
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why beckham dont play anymore?
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They better beg estonia hold a draw on their coming match or England are out .
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QUOTE(razuryza @ Oct 18 2007, 03:04 PM)
why beckham dont play anymore?
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Injured. But it will not make any differences. At the moment SWP offer more threat & penetration compare to Becks
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for sure Russia will get big win when play against Andorra,now England need Israel`s help tongue.gif
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It was a foul outside the box... not a penalty la.

Now England can only hope for miracle that Israel can draw/beat Russia.
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Oct 18 2007, 03:11 PM)
for sure Russia will get big win when play against Andorra,now England need Israel`s help tongue.gif
if Russia beat Israel,it over for England,so sad when watch EURO without England shocking.gif
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nice la without England........tongue.gif

so they know their own ranking in the world.......no wait.....they are not even a threat in the europe....be it the world stage....

haha.... laugh.gif
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england is not as good as wat have been said in the media..
it is just overhype-ed!!
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everyone knows that.......

the British media likes to overhype their own team and they syok sendiri sendiri....

gila.....
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QUOTE(edvpc @ Oct 18 2007, 03:35 PM)
huhuhu can't imagine that... rclxub.gif
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nvm England, another "BIG" team will teman u together....Italy/France. Either one of them...hahahaha
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I find it shocking that we'd crucify Phil at Euro 2000 but not the Spanish ref here.
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nvm England, another "BIG" team will teman u together....Italy/France. Either one of them...hahahaha
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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Oct 18 2007, 05:20 PM)
nvm England, another "BIG" team will teman u together....Italy/France. Either one of them...hahahaha
imagine Euro without ex or current World Champion there  whistling.gif
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But i doubt that Mourinho would want to manage a national side with his ego. I think he will miss day to day process of managing players. If he do take the job England has the potential to success in the big tournament.
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I find it shocking that we'd crucify Phil at Euro 2000 but not the Spanish ref here.
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because phil is part of the team and the spanish kayu is not... spanish kayu we cannot control...
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because phil is part of the team and the spanish kayu is not... spanish kayu we cannot control...
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I think ppl are over reacting. The penalty given was doubtful but reasonable.

The player is one step away from the penalty box with the ball in the box. Rooney intentional hack the player from the back that was obvious. So it is reasonable to give a penalty since the player is clear into the box.

Reason being, it wasn't a face to face tackle. rooney came from the back.
Rooney have no chance of robbing the ball outside of the penalty box without hacking him from behind. I believe this is the very reason for a penalty given by the referee.

This situation also reflect in a last man foul red card situation. If a player being hack down by a last defender is considered a profesional foul and being sent off. It is not because of the foul, it is because of profesionally denying a possiblity of scoring a goal.
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I know y England will lose tis match:
1st is Rooney fault.
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I think ppl are over reacting. The penalty given was doubtful but reasonable.

The player is one step away from the penalty box with the ball in the box. Rooney intentional hack the player from the back that was obvious. So it is reasonable to give a penalty since the player is clear into the box.

Reason being, it wasn't a face to face tackle. rooney came from the back.
Rooney have no chance of robbing the ball outside of the penalty box without hacking him from behind. I believe this is the very reason for a penalty given by the referee.

This situation also reflect in a last man foul red card situation.  If a player being hack down by a last defender is considered a profesional foul and being sent off. It is not because of the foul, it is because of profesionally denying a possiblity of scoring a goal.
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Intentionally hacked the player from the back? blink.gif At most it was a slight nudge of body rolleyes.gif

A penalty is given only if the foul happen INSIDE the penalty box which in this case IT IS NOT.

And comparing it with last man foul which is totally a different case? Rooney wasn't even the last man around the penalty box for god sake.

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The incident happened outside the area and I do not even think it was a foul.


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I know y England will lose tis match:
1st is Rooney fault.
2nd is our goalkeeper fault.
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QUOTE(wayne_chen @ Oct 18 2007, 08:00 PM)
Come on Jose. Become England coach rclxms.gif  nod.gif
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russia isn't an inferior team to england. there's no surprise that they won. england still have a slim chance though. anything can happen in isreal.
fantastic goal by rooney though.
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mourinho for the england job??no one can survive the english media if u ask me..even mourinho...let them have their englishmen handle the job..and soon,england will be ranked below malaysia.........
ok..i went overboard with that...
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Jose will be back in style if get hired as England coach. Interesting one.
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Hey, I don't know much about Euro qualifying matches , last night England lost to Russia, so they are out already er? Or they still have another match? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 18 2007, 09:10 PM)
Hey, I don't know much about Euro qualifying matches , last night England lost to Russia, so they are out already er? Or  they still have another match?  unsure.gif
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find everything about EURO qualify here http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/index.html
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Oct 18 2007, 09:16 PM)
find everything about EURO qualify here http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/index.html
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Ok, thanks. blush.gif


Added on October 18, 2007, 9:24 pmJust checked, so the next match against Croatia. Waa, England already lost 3 matches... sweat.gif

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Looks like England will face the probability of not getting qualified for the Euro 2008... They MUST win the match against Croatia... Well, Croatia is on the top of the table.. looks like it won't be easy.
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Hey... Scotland finally lost, was waiting for that to happen
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The problem with England is they tends to play too defensively whenever they are leading 1-0. The only time this tactic work were way back in 2002 during the WC match with Argentina. I think its the problem with the pressure faced by the whoever who coaches England. They do not dare to take risk whenever they are leading. As long as the English media and fans exert so much pressure, this problem will forever exist regardless of who is the coach. What England needs is a coach who does not give a damn on what the press or fans want. Actually I think the ideal person is someone like Alex Ferguson but its impossible to pull him away from MU.
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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 18 2007, 09:10 PM)
Hey, I don't know much about Euro qualifying matches , last night England lost to Russia, so they are out already er? Or  they still have another match?  unsure.gif
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If Russia win their 2 remaining games, they qualify and England can watch the rest of the competition on TV.
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Russia will qualify if they win their 2 remaining games even England win against Croatia.
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Jose is big enough to bring the boys to the stage. He even can go against his boss for team management. It shows he got the guts. Sorry to say Mclaren, don't get the respect from the players. The reason is, he is not big enough to show the players how good is he, the players seem losing the spirit and confidence when facing strong opponents. But the fact is he is really not that good.
World class player but can't get to Euro 08? You can count how many world class player they got and how many Russia or Isreal or Crotia got?
I support Jose! He is the ONE.
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Macca dont really impress.. he's disastrous for a talented squad like this. JOSE JOSE... at least theres no.. shevchenko... in England

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 18 2007, 10:50 PM)
If Russia win their 2 remaining games, they qualify and England can watch the rest of the competition on TV.
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QUOTE(barcode @ Oct 18 2007, 10:54 PM)
Russia will qualify if they win their 2 remaining games even England win against Croatia.
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What if Russian lost a match? England and Russia Draw? Omigosh, let's pray Russia kena tahpao... sweat.gif


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QUOTE(zeist @ Oct 18 2007, 11:31 PM)
What if Russian lost a match? England and Russia Draw? Omigosh, let's pray Russia kena tahpao... sweat.gif
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England P11 23pts
Russia P10 21pts

Russia must not win both their remaining games (Israel & Andorra) while England must win the game against Croatia to maintain the slim chance of qualifying.

England will need Israel [at home] to at least get a draw against Russia since Russia will probably beat Andorra.

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QUOTE(Bepeon @ Oct 18 2007, 09:57 PM)
Looks like England will face the probability of not getting qualified for the Euro 2008... They MUST win the match against Croatia... Well, Croatia is on the top of the table.. looks like it won't be easy.
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i think England will win it bcos Croatia will play against Macedonia(i assume Croatia will win this match and automaticly qualified to EURO as Group E winner)before play against England,when Croatia play vs England,Croatia will main2(use sub/youth player) like Germany-Czech and England have big chance to win,but the main problem for England is Israel-Russia result wink.gif
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Oct 18 2007, 11:43 PM)
i think England will win it bcos Croatia will play against Macedonia(i assume Croatia will win this match and automaticly qualified to EURO as Group E winner)before play against England,when Croatia play vs England,Croatia will main2(use sub/youth player) like Germany-Czech and England have big chance to win,but the main problem for England is Israel-Russia result wink.gif
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Even if the Israel v Russia's result goes England's way AND Croatia can secure qualification against Macedonia before facing England, there is still the possibility of Croatia trying to create troubles for England right? Plus there is no guarantee England will get the win needed against Croatia even if Croatia send out their reserves team.

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Former England manager Sven-Goran Eriksson has admitted that he feels sorry for Steve McClaren.

The limp display in Russia has seen McClaren hit with heavy criticism, leading to suggestions that he will be out of a job should England not qualify for Euro 2008.

Eriksson is no stranger to the intense pressure and scrutiny that comes with leading the national side, and the Manchester City boss has voiced his sympathy for McClaren's current plight.

"He is my friend, I worked with him for five and a half years. So of course I feel sorry for him," he said.

Disappointing

"I hope that he keeps his job. I think it is still possible for England to qualify."

Discussing the display, Eriksson believes that England deserved at least a point from the game at the Luzhniki Stadium.

He said: "Yes it was disappointing. I think England played very well. I am disappointed. I hope that they qualify.

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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Oct 18 2007, 11:34 PM)
England P11 23pts
Russia P10 21pts

Russia must not win both their remaining games (Israel & Andorra) while England must win the game against Croatia to maintain the slim chance of qualifying.

England will need Israel [at home] to at least get a draw against Russia since Russia will probably beat Andorra.
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I see, so count by pts. Please bear with me as I'm still new to this... sweat.gif
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so now crotia is top of the group with eng and russian fighting for the 2nd spot? omg....=.=
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What if Russian lost a match? England and Russia Draw? Omigosh, let's pray Russia kena tahpao... sweat.gif
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Sorry mate but I'm not with you on this one. I don't mind if England doesn't qualify because I think the teams that finish near the top deserve to be there. Can you see England doing a Czech Republic and beating Germany 3-0 at home? I hope Russia go on to Europe because they have a good manager and they've been consistent. England on the other hand have been piss poor under McLaren. Will it be some coincidence though if England fail to qualify for another major tournament with Terry Venables in the setup again?

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laugh.gif You got that right. Wonder what happened to the his twin, Martin Dahlin?

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I think if they fail to qualify Macca will be cursed by M'sian England supporter as Macca Hye tongue.gif
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Ppl are talking as if england gonna beat croatia. But isn't croatia is the best team in that qualifying group now?

Question is .. can they beat croatia??? They lost the last one.

They would still fill their best players with introducing maybe trial players i feel and they would at least make it a boring draw. This is national soccer not premier league where they need to rest their players.
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QUOTE(Spiv @ Oct 19 2007, 11:12 AM)
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I think in this case England must be really hopeful that the other team do them a favour. A great team doesn't rely on others misfortune. Rather they play to their game and control their own destiny. But overall England doesn't deserve to be there based on merit

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QUOTE(ponomariov @ Oct 19 2007, 10:32 AM)
Ppl are talking as if england gonna beat croatia. But isn't croatia is the best team in that qualifying group now?

Question is .. can they beat croatia??? They lost the last one.

They would still fill their best players with introducing maybe trial players i feel and they would at least make it a boring draw. This is national soccer not premier league where they need to rest their players.
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croatia still has one easy game against andorra, so its possible they might no field their best when play against england
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Oct 19 2007, 11:59 AM)
croatia still has one easy game against andorra, so its possible they might no field their best when play against england
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as long as England can cure their problem (i dont have a f***ing clue what is happening to them), they wont have much problem beating Croatia. But with the form now.....doubt it.
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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Oct 19 2007, 12:12 PM)
Or the other way round just to screw England?  hmm.gif
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Even Croatia in full strength, England as traditional footballing power should be able to beat them at home. Croatia is a talented team but not as talented as in 1998. Therefore, if England can't even beat Croatia, at home that is, what chance do they have in Euro 08?
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england is a tough team..... coz of their media made people to believe it and many of us fall for it lol i never think they are good team because all the manager do is just to put in the big english name into the team which never had a team chemistry gel among them
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I won't write them off just yet. In recent times, England have never impressed in qualifiers. If you look at the Rugby World Cup, England just made the knockout stages and are now in the finals. They were trounced by South Africa in the group stages but you can bet your bottom dollar, it'll be much closer in the finals. I have this funny suspicion they'll make it.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Oct 19 2007, 12:19 PM)
Even Croatia in full strength, England as traditional footballing power should be able to beat them at home. Croatia is a talented team but not as talented as in 1998. Therefore, if England can't even beat Croatia, at home that is, what chance do they have in Euro 08?
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That's on paper plus they did draw 0-0 against Macedonia at home [which on paper should be a comfortable win for ENG] so god knows what to expect from them?

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 19 2007, 12:27 PM)
I won't write them off just yet. In recent times, England have never impressed in qualifiers. If you look at the Rugby World Cup, England just made the knockout stages and are now in the finals. They were trounced by South Africa in the group stages but you can bet your bottom dollar, it'll be much closer in the finals. I have this funny suspicion they'll make it.
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Duke, you think Israel will get something against Russia at their own turf? unsure.gif

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my idea is, England pay all the transfer money for all the England team players to move to a single club (man Utd, Chelsea, Arenal, Liverpool, whichever you prefer) , then there wont any problem with team chemistry..haha..plus also solve the solution for FIFA's "too many foreign player in a team" problem.

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QUOTE(pyroboy1911 @ Oct 19 2007, 12:28 PM)
my idea is, England pay all the transfer money for all the England team players to move to a single club (man Utd, Chelsea, Arenal, Liverpool, whichever you prefer) , then there wont any problem with team chemistry..haha..plus also solve the solution for FIFA's "too many foreign player in a team" problem.
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Nah. Its not like they were playing with each other for the first time against Russia. Apart from Lescott & Barry who are quite new to the team, the other lads have been playing alongside each other for England for some time so team chemistry should not be a problem?
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QUOTE(pyroboy1911 @ Oct 19 2007, 12:28 PM)
my idea is, England pay all the transfer money for all the England team players to move to a single club (man Utd, Chelsea, Arenal, Liverpool, whichever you prefer) , then there wont any problem with team chemistry..haha..plus also solve the solution for FIFA's "too many foreign player in a team" problem.
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That is one of the most 'genius ideas' I ever see. Sort of like the Malaysian Gov idea. Dude, if thats the case, then there won't be club footballs. Might as well get in few countries and put up 'League of Nations'.
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but there are still the tough rivalry among the teams. Other country have rivalry also, but i dont think theirs are flamed by the fans, medias, and club executives. how awkward it to be doing a 1-2 pass with someone who nearly took your leg off when doing a sliding tackle before?

plus there is also this logic, in club matches, if Joe Cole yell "pass", will Ferdinand pass it? while in international matches, Ferdinand probably oredi used to the sound and instinctly do not pass to that area.

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That is one of the most 'genius ideas' I ever see. Sort of like the Malaysian Gov idea. Dude, if thats the case, then there won't be club footballs. Might as well get in few countries and put up 'League of Nations'.
Do you actually think i'm serious? doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Oct 19 2007, 12:27 PM)
Duke, you think Israel will get something against Russia at their own turf?
The odds are against that but football is a funny game isn't it? smile.gif

Like I said though, I just hope the best teams qualify for the tournament even if that means England missing out.
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Oct 19 2007, 01:39 PM)
Who'll make it? The soccer team or the rugby team because if it's the rugby team you are talking about, Jonny Be Good will deliver the goods tongue.gif
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I've a feeling he will deliver. One time he kicked what? 20 pts against South Africa? That is phenomenal.

As for the football team... I doubt it but stranger things have happened.
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if England fail to qualify,which team u will support in EURO? brows.gif
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Italy... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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I might support Spain because of El-Nino. The dutch is quite good side as well. Perhaps the portugese because they got 2 brilliant wingers in Queresma and Ronaldo
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Spain, always have a soft spot for them.

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I might support Spain because of El-Nino. The dutch is quite good side as well. Perhaps the portugese because they got 2 brilliant wingers in Queresma and Ronaldo
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i also think u`ll will support Spain bcos they have Cesc and Nino laugh.gif
or maybe u`ll can support Russia and Croatia tongue.gif
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i also think u`ll will support Spain bcos they have Cesc and Nino laugh.gif
or maybe u`ll can support Russia and Croatia tongue.gif
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Lerner: I'd let O'Neill go

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A bit too late for O'Neill, coz England already out of Euro08
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A Scolari or better yet Mourinho would be nice. Want to see how they deal with the constant exposure in UK. How about Lippi or Capello, I doubt the English will be able to accept the Italians.
Wait, Scolari gave up due to that reason.
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UN-SAFE HANDS

Sir Trevor Brooking (1):

Ok, not a keeper, but a safe pair of hands in most situations but desire to see an Englishman in the top job saw him veer too far in that direction.

NO DEFENCE

Guus Hiddink (2): Snubbed England hotseat then dumped them out of Euro 2008. Luis Felipe Scolari (3): Accepted the job verbally then bottled it. Sven Goran Eriksson (4): Wasted Golden Generation. Started the rot. Richard Scudamore (5): Demanded the clubs get a say - and we got McClaren.

ATTACK/SACK

Steve McClaren (10): The captain must go down with his ship and McClaren has that sinking feeling. Terry Venables (11): No.2 ready to take credit when it went right, can't pile all the blame on Macca now.

MIDFIELD MUDDLE

Brian Barwick (6): Made a pig's ear of the selection process. David Richards (7): Main voice in favour of an Englishman. Miraculous rise. Geoff Thompson (8): FA chairman must take responsibility although he doubted McClaren. Noel White (9): Went with the flow over Scolari then jumped back to McClaren.
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I don't think an englishman can do this job. They are suppose to be more passionate but I failed to see that in McClown. If they give the job to Englishman just because for the sake of it then England would not win any major trophy in the foreseeable future. Moreover the current crop of English players are the best in the last 10 years. But too bad they will failed to achieve anything because of the poor management from the FA in appointed the right man in the helm.
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i also think u`ll will support Spain bcos they have Cesc and Nino laugh.gif
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No point playing the pointing game again. Better focus on trying on the next qualifier game rather than have this kind of talk. The reason why the England fan is booing the players because they are clearly upset with the manager as well with the performance of the players which is below sub standard. It is understandable that the English fan is passionate about their team because they believe that the player is not fully committed when they wear the england color. So the team should try to rally together and try their best to win the next game.
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A Cole, J Cole, Lampard, SWP, Terry.

If JM manages england it might be a good news, but i doubt that would happen.



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Sven drawback was he didn't have any Plan B. Go though the squad list, you'll find that this is the best/most talented squad since 66. With this squad should at least challenge for titles. Don't tell me Germany or France has a better teams cos it ain't. It's almost on par with all those giants.
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El-Tel you got to be kidding that McClown would put things right in the long term. He can't even fix the current problem. What makes you think he will improve the England fortune in the long term. Simple task is to qualify to European competition but he failed to deliver it. He might be after the England job behind McClown by coming out with this statement. Stabbing McClown at the back. laugh.gif
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El-Tel you got to be kidding that McClown would put things right in the long term. He can't even fix the current problem. What makes you think he will improve the England fortune in the long term. Simple task is to qualify to European competition but he failed to deliver it. He might be after the England job behind McClown by coming out with this statement. Stabbing McClown at the back.  laugh.gif
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mcClaren mistake is not the defeat in Russia, his mistakes were those which happen in the early round of qualifiers where he 'tested' new formations, like the defeat to crotia and draw against anddora...


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mcClaren mistake is not the defeat in Russia, his mistakes were those which happen in the early round of qualifiers where he 'tested' new formations, like the defeat to crotia and draw against anddora...
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they draw against Macedonia,another bad result is draw in Tel Aviv doh.gif
btw the main mistake is:
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2.play Gerrard with Lampard in same time(no defensive midfielder)
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Oct 20 2007, 06:41 PM)
they draw against Macedonia,another bad result is draw in Tel Aviv doh.gif
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1.not pick Beckham early in the qualify
2.play Gerrard with Lampard in same time(no defensive midfielder)
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McClown is not firm enough with his stance by claiming that he won't select Becks however he back track on his remark at the later stage by playing him. Gerrard and Lamps can't play together. It doesn't need a genius to figure that out. He however is stubborn by trying to accommodate both of them in the same side. It is a big decision to be made but he hasn't done it because he does have the guts.
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Sam Allardyce has refused to rule himself out of the running for the England job if Steve McClaren gets the sack.

The Newcastle boss is the leading English contender with the bookies, with McClaren certain to be given the boot if his side fail to qualify for Euro 2008. Allardyce missed out to McClaren 16 months ago but was pressed yesterday on his international ambitions.

Asked if he was ruling himself out of the running, Allardyce said: "I am not saying anything like that.

"There is a man in the job, he is a good friend of mine and I won't speculate as to whether I would or I wouldn't do anything. Steve should be left to finish what he is doing."

Asked if it is on his long term radar, Allardyce added: "You don't know what happens or when it might come about.

"This is the biggest club as an English manager I could have got. The only job that might have been bigger than that is a job as national coach."


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Jose Mourinho has ruled himself out of the running to replace under-fire England manager Steve McClaren.

There is speculation that McClaren's tenure as national team boss could be coming to an end after England's Euro 2008 qualification hopes were taken out of their own hands with a 2-1 defeat by Russia in Moscow.

England now need Russia to slip up against Israel or Andorra, or for Macedonia to shock group leaders Croatia if they are to retain any hope of reaching the finals in Austria and Switzerland.

Former Chelsea manager Mourinho has been strongly linked with the post, should it become available, but the Portuguese insists he is more interested in club football and the only international side he would manage is his home nation.

Ambition

He told the News of the World: "I couldn't see myself coaching any national team other than Portugal. If I were coach of another team and had to face Portugal, it would be wrong.

"I think there are those who adore me in England. I adore English football. But I won't go back there for now. I'd like to come back later.

"I'd like to continue in club management, perhaps in Italy where I can test myself against their tacticians. The national team would be for later. The Portuguese national team is an ambition but not for the Jose Mourinho of today.

"Being the coach of a national team is not the same as being coach of a club. It's a job for someone who doesn't like working much."

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And Mourinho insists that bringing in coaches from overseas to lead international sides is wrong.

He added: "I'm completely against having foreigners with national teams, not because I doubt the professionalism with which they do it, but I think that a national team should bring together the best players and the best coach from each country.

"The national team is an obsession for me but it will be at the end of my career. Let there be no doubt about that."


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it will be great if Jose manage England. I mean English teams are mostly over-rated or maybe undermanaged by good managers..

who knows if Jose can bring them to their World Cup Glory??

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Jose has a point about the foreign managers managing countries..

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I doubt that he will manage the England side. There might be an opening for another top european club to manage. Especially now that Milan lost a home game. Ancelotti must be feeling the pressure now. His time at Milan could be numbered. I think he is under pressure to mount a title challenge for the scudetto

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Hiddink mocks England's tactics

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Russia coach Guus Hiddink has claimed England are a team that panics under pressure and are tactically naive.

Russia beat England 2-1 last week to put Euro 2008 qualification in their own hands and leave Steve McClaren's men relying on their rivals' results.

Hiddink told BBC Radio 5live: "When you put pressure on England they drop back like a handball team around their area.

"And I was very happy to see England's defence because they played with four central defenders in there."

England coach McClaren picked Everton's Joleon Lescott as cover for the injured Ashley Cole at left-back, with Micah Richards - also a central defender for his club Manchester City - on the opposite flank.

And Hiddink feels that played into Russia's hands.

He added on 5live's Sportsweek programme: "I was very happy to see England line up with Lescott on their left side.

"We played with two attackers but also a very mobile midfielder and we forced England's left midfielder Joe Cole to be a left full-back.

"It meant we ended up with a two-on-one situation and were able to penetrate on our right side, their left.

"When we put pressure on them they were panicking and they could not get hold of the ball or gain any control."

England took the lead in Moscow through Wayne Rooney and Hiddink admitted it was "a big blow" to deal with.

However, Hiddink insisted he felt his team would score - and they equalised when they were awarded a penalty, given despite Rooney's foul on Konstanin Zurianov taking place just outside the area.

Hiddink feels the decision evened out an injustice when Russia had a goal disallowed for offside during their 3-0 defeat by England at Wembley.

He said: "The contact for the penalty started outside the area and continued inside. But if the referee has any doubts, under the new rule the attacking team will get the advantage.

"We did not complain about a legal goal we scored at Wembley which would have made it 1-1 and turned the game, so in the end it all balances itself out.

"I think you have to look at your own team and how you can improve in order to avoid these tricky situations."

Roman Pavluchenko scored from the spot and then struck the winner four minutes later to leave Russia in control of their own qualifying destiny.

Wins against Israel and Andorra will send Russia through and mean England will not reach the finals.

Hiddink, though, said he was not sure whether the calls for McClaren to be sacked are right.

"I don't know if you should hang the coach because of one result," he said.

"England had a bad game against us, but it is difficult to judge from the outside. The people on the inside and the press should do that."


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Stop dreaming Neville. England always had to rely on others to get them through. Where has your pride gone as an English player. Admit that the fact that the players are not good enough when they don the colors nowadays. They need to look themselves in the mirror and reassess their work ethic and attitude towards to the national side. Moreover there is a clown in the helm doesn't help matters.
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yeah give Jose a try. i think england need to replace goalkeeper. robinson not in good form
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yeah give Jose a try. i think england need to replace goalkeeper. robinson not in good form
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England played like a school team, says Beckenbauer

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Franz Beckenbauer last night joined the critics rounding on the national coach, Steve McClaren, when he dismissed England as a "school team" who lack heart and leadership.

Beckenbauer, the World Cup-winning captain and coach of West Germany, was shocked by the state of McClaren's team when Germany won 2-1 in an August friendly at Wembley. "It was like a school team, they were not talking and not supporting," he said. "That was the biggest surprise. There is no life in this team. The first time I played against England in 1965 and then during the World Cup in 1966 there was always a certain spirit."

Since that August defeat England's hopes of reaching Euro 2008 have dipped appreciably and, to qualify, they now need to beat Croatia at Wembley next month and hope that Russia drop points against Israel or Andorra. "A European Championship without England wouldn't be the same," added Beckenbauer. "That would be a big loss."

It would also spell the end of McClaren's turbulent spell in charge of the side, although the assistant manager, Terry Venables, feels that would be a serious mistake. "If you tear it up," said Venables, who also stands to lose his own job, "somebody just ends up having to go through it all again."

The man who took England to the semi-finals of Euro 96, speaking at an event to publicise the PFA's forthcoming England Legends versus Rest of the World XI charity match, added that he was surprised by Beckenbauer's comments. "I don't know why he says that but he is entitled to his opinion. It's about winning games and it's no good me saying we have been fantastic because the fact is we haven't.

"We got five convincing wins on the trot, scoring 15 goals, and people loved the way the football was being played. But you can't expect to be average at the start of a campaign and fantastic at the end of it.

"Steve has been involved with the team for five years but it is still different [from his role as a coach]. It's not just the football, it's all the things that go around the job. A lot of those things hurt and, if you let them hurt you, that's when your judgment may not be right. You have to keep a very cool head, an ice-cool head."


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The Football Association have announced that England are to bid to host the 2018 World Cup.

A meeting of the FA board today decided to launch a bid after FIFA's decision on Monday to scrap rotation of the tournament.

FA chairman Geoff Thompson said: 'I'm delighted to announce our intention to bid to host the World Cup in 2018.

'This follows FIFA's announcement on Monday that the previous rotation policy will be discontinued, and the positive comments made by FIFA president Sepp Blatter.

'The tremendous support from Prime Minister Gordon Brown and his government has also been a key consideration in today's decision.

'I'm delighted the FA board have been so positive in their support for a bid. It would be tremendous for English football and the whole country if we are successful.'

FA chief executive Brian Barwick added: 'This is a great moment for all of us who love the game in this country. The excitement and expectation from the public to a prospective bid has been incredible.

'It is very clear that the English football public want to see the World Cup back in this country.'

The announcement comes as a surprise as only yesterday FA chiefs were being extremely cautious about doing anything more positive than commissioning a feasibility study.

Barwick did, however, admit England were in an excellent position to win a bid.

He added: 'We believe we have a very strong case for making a successful bid and hosting a wonderful tournament. The work now begins to bring the World Cup back to England.'

The FA have put out their blueprint for the bid identifying the key issues as:

. maximising support for England internationally;

. financing the bid and financial planning for the tournament;

. forming a bid team and who will lead it;

. identifying the stadiums and training facilities to be used;

.  working with all stakeholders to ensure the infrastructure is in place to support the tournament - transport, hotels, communications etc.;

. plans for supporters - domestic and international;

. the tournament's legacy - for football and the whole country.

. ensuring the tournament is inclusive to everyone;

. making England the number one bid and to host the best World Cup ever.


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yeah give Jose a try. i think england need to replace goalkeeper. robinson not in good form
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maybe you should replace him instead. Since your current WE condition is way better than me.
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hmmmm......panic...pressure...panic....pressure....panic...pressure....PENALTY???? much more panic...pressure....EVEN WORST!!!!
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hmmmm......panic...pressure...panic....pressure....panic...pressure....PENALTY???? much more panic...pressure....EVEN WORST!!!!
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David Beckham has been recalled to England's squad for the friendly in Austria and the final Euro 2008 qualifier against Croatia.

If Russia win in Israel on 17 November, even an England win against Croatia at Wembley four days later would not be enough to qualify for the tournament.

But Beckham has proved his fitness with LA Galaxy and McClaren has handed him an instant comeback.

Captain John Terry is not included as he recovers from knee surgery.

Chelsea's Ashley Cole is back after missing the defeat in Russia with an ankle injury sustained in the 3-0 win against Estonia at Wembley.

Terry pulled out of the Moscow defeat after his injury flared up in England's final training session and has since had an operation.

McClaren travelled to Los Angeles to meet Beckham and discuss his current condition with the fitness team at his LA Galaxy club in readiness for bringing him back.

Chelsea's Wayne Bridge is also back in contention after regaining fitness, a boost for McClaren, who used Everton's Joleon Lescott as an emergency left-back in the Moscow defeat.

Rio Ferdinand is suspended for the Croatia game and has not been considered, but Micah Richards is included despite suffering a knee injury.

Former Chelsea defender Frank Leboeuf played against Beckham in a pro-celebrity charity match in Los Angeles last weekend and believes he can still make a contribution for England.

He told BBC Radio 5 Live: "He seems to be sharp and seems to have the intelligence for the game. My only concern would be physically, with the speed of European football compared to what he is now used to day by day.

"It might be a little bit different, but I am sure he can do his bit."

Arsenal striker Theo Walcott had been touted for a recall to the squad, but he has instead been included in coach Stuart Pearce's under-21 squad.

England play Austria in the Ernst Happel Stadion in Vienna next Friday 16 November, then face Croatia at Wembley on Wednesday 21 November.

England squad: Robinson, Carson, James, P Neville, Campbell, Richards, Brown, Lescott, Shorey, Bridge, A Cole, Beckham, Wright-Phillips, Bentley, Gerrard, Lampard, Hargreaves, Barry, J Cole, Downing, Young, Smith, Crouch, Defoe, Rooney, Owen.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/i...als/7084689.stm

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its bad to see england have to hope on other people's result to decide their faith... with players like rooney, gerard, terry, lampard, and all other spoon feeded players by their clubs, and some even earing more than 100k++ per week, cant perform at international level..even if they reach the finals, they cant go far in the tournament unless the players change themselve.
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England will not qualify regardless who is not playing because Russia going to win their last 2 games. England clutching on thin straw. If they do qualify they are really a lucky side.
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QUOTE(qspn @ Nov 10 2007, 10:23 AM)
England will not qualify regardless who is not playing because Russia going to win their last 2 games. England clutching on thin straw. If they do qualify they are really a lucky side.
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McLaren might try
Joe Cole - Lampard - Hargreaves/Carrick - Gerrard

he afterall....cant do anything already
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England will not qualify regardless who is not playing because Russia going to win their last 2 games. England clutching on thin straw. If they do qualify they are really a lucky side.
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If England don't qualify, they deserve it just as they would if they DID qualify. But regardless of qualification or not, we shouldn't have had to wait for the last game to do so!
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russia vs israel match will be play before england vs crotia match?
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Saturday, 17 November 2007

Israel v Russia, E, 18:00

Wednesday, 21 November 2007

England v Croatia

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Haha don't make me laugh McClown. Wait aren't a clown suppose to make you laugh.. On the serious note if a simply thing let getting a big nation like this to qualify for a main europe competition with a decent opponents cause England national side so much trouble. What makes you think that you can inspire the team to win that tournament. I don't think he got it to manage the England side as he doesn't inspire his talented players to perform. Moreover he doesn't have any guts to make big decisions apart from dropping Beckham and now he recalled him back. He isn't playing top quality football at America. Why is Alan Smith in the squad as he isn't playing that well at Newcastle yet alone playing upfront for them. Some of the selection of the squad is based on name rather than the players play at high quality football for their clubs.
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Haha don't make me laugh McClown. Wait aren't a clown suppose to make you laugh.. On the serious note if a simply thing let getting a big nation like this to qualify for a main europe competition with a decent opponents cause England national side so much trouble. What makes you think that you can inspire the team to win that tournament. I don't think he got it to manage the England side as he doesn't inspire his talented players to perform. Moreover he doesn't have any guts to make big decisions apart from dropping Beckham and now he recalled him back. He isn't playing top quality football at America. Why is Alan Smith in the squad as he isn't playing that well at Newcastle yet alone playing upfront for them. Some of the selection of the squad is based on name rather than the players play at high quality football for their clubs.
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u said it rite qspn

is there a contract clause in england team that says u must field famous names for matches?

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England doesn't deserve to qualify if they solely have to rely on others to them a favour. Benayoun you shouldn't risk yourself in this game as your health is more important for Liverpool as they pay your wages not England or Israel.
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Alright, write a letter to McClaren and ask him to drop all Liverpool players.

EDIT: Oh yea, and the other national managers as well.

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Might as well take your advice and ask McClown to drop all Liverpool players for international duty. tongue.gif
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Ronnie Rosenthal believes Sky Sports could help save England's Euro 2008 hopes.

The former Israel international says the fact that his country's crucial qualifier with Russia is being shown live over here, will mean the players are motivated.

Israel cannot make next summer's finals, but with the Premiership watching on, Rosenthal expects the current crop to come out and get the result that could still take Steve McClaren's men to Austria and Switzerland.

"Israel is capable of beating Russia," he told Sky Sports News.

"I am not sure they are going to, but I can tell you that they are going to do everything they are capable of to get a positive result.

"The Israelis just want to produce a positive result. They've already lost one home game and will not want to do it again - especially the coach.

"They are professional and they want to show themselves - don't forget the game will be shown live in England and a lot of players will want to play very well because they would like to play in England. For them it's a showcase."

Rosenthal admits that coach Dror Kashtan might use the game to blood one or two youngsters but has told England fans to expect an experienced line-up in Tel Aviv on Saturday.

Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun will miss the game through injury, but Chelsea's Tal Ben Haim, Bolton's Idan Tal and Deportivo keeper Dudu Aouate are all in the squad.

And says Rosenthal - who was part of the Israel side that beat France away in 1993 to deprive them of a place in the 1994 World Cup - motivation won't be a problem.

"I am sure they will give 100 per cent, but again that does not guarantee the right result for England.

"The coach knows what he is doing. He is experienced enough. He has already lost one game in Israel in the qualification, so he knows what he has to do.

"I can assure you that whoever plays, they will have extra motivation to win the game."


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I am off to Austria this Friday, but like most of you will be settling down in front of Sky Sports 3 on Saturday to see if Israel can do England and Steve McClaren's men a favour when they take on Russia.

All I can say is don't give up hope just yet, Israel might lend England a helping hand as the stats don't lie.

Israel have lost only two of their last 17 games at home (seven wins, eight draws). The only defeats since April 2003 are a 2-0 loss in a friendly to Denmark in Tel Aviv in March 2006 and the 4-3 reverse in this qualifying campaign against Croatia, also in Tel Aviv, back in November 2006.

Remember, a draw places England's fate back in their own hands.


http://www.skysports.com/experts/expert_st...2880105,00.html

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i think england still manage to go through the final.. cause i don't think russian can win the last match.
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i think england still manage to go through the final.. cause i don't think russian can win the last match.
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Tell me you are not joking. Russia last match against Andorra, aka whiping boys of the group. If they really don't win against Andorra, it'll be the biggest shame for Russian football
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Tell me you are not joking. Russia last match against Andorra, aka whiping boys of the group. If they really don't win against Andorra, it'll be the biggest shame for Russian football
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Ball is round brother...Arsenal also lost to West ham and Manchester United also lost to wolvehampton before...there is no sure win in football.
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You are pretty staunch England fans eh tongue.gif
I still prefer England to be knocked out so that it will knock some sense to the FA and the players. Treat it as kick up the backside/lesson
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QUOTE(Lowyat @ Nov 14 2007, 02:44 PM)
Ball is round brother...Arsenal also lost to West ham and Manchester United also lost to wolvehampton before...there is no sure win in football.
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I admire your optimism but we are talking Andorra here whose football is at semi pro level at best. It's not even a question of who wins but by how much Russia will win.
England have already shot themselves in the foot and only have themselves to blame.

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I admire your optimism but we are talking Andorra here whose football is at semi pro level at best. It's not even a question of who wins but by how much Russia will win.
England have already shot themselves in the foot and only have themselves to blame.
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You know you're in deep trouble when you need the result of others to help you qualify. Like ya said, England got no one but themselves to blame.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Nov 14 2007, 02:57 PM)
You are pretty staunch England fans eh  tongue.gif
I still prefer England to be knocked out so that it will knock some sense to the FA and the players. Treat it as kick up the backside/lesson
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England team is juz full of STARS but failed to shine like star...
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i guess england have learn their lesson already...
with all the stars they have, yet they need to depand on others result to qualify...
i guess this will motivate them and help to play better and play for the pride of the nation, not for their own fame or pocket
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i guess england have learn their lesson already...
with all the stars they have, yet they need to depand on others result to qualify...
i guess this will motivate them and help to play better and play for the pride of the nation, not for their own fame or pocket
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They need to get a big kick on the backside so the English FA know what they did wrong. As you can see the under-21 is doing really well with Stuart Pearce. Maybe McClown should take a page from Pearce. I don't see England going through although I'm an England fan. Eventhough they say the ball is round but this thing is for certain. I could be proven wrong though on this. Even I'm prove wrong and England manage to get through to the finals. Yet once again it proves that England will always have to rely on others to get their results.

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only a miracle can save england now..
as a england fan, i want to see them in euro 08, but, even if they make it, god knows how far can they go...
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Hargreaves will stay in Manchester to have treatment and his fitness will be reassessed at the weekend.

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Owen Hargreaves has been ruled out England's clash with Austria with a knee injury.

The Manchester United midfielder will not make the trip to Austria after complaining of a knee problem.

Hargreaves has been troubled with a knee injury for most of the season and only recently made his return to the United first team.

The former Bayern Munich man will remain in Manchester to receive treatment on the knee and his fitness will be reassessed at the weekend ahead of next Wednesday's crucial Euro 2008 qualifier with Croatia.

England boss Steve McClaren will be keen to have Hargreaves fit for the clash with Croatia as it could decide the team's Euro 2008 fate if results go their way this weekend.

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Eventhough England manage to qualify for the finals, i doubt they can perform like france in last summer. They have no determination to win the game at all. Draw with Macedonia is the best example. Actually this group can be consider very good luck for England team already, but they just broke their own rice plate.

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Its sad to see England at tis moment..their fate is in other's hand..im an england fans,i wan the team to be at euro08 but the chance is possibly gone since they lost to russia..

Anyway..best of luck to the three lions..
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Former England defender Paul Parker believes failure to qualify for Euro 2008 could be the wake-up call the English game needs.

If Russia beat Israel on Saturday, England will be all but eliminated from the qualification race for the finals.

"If it takes us not to qualify for Euro 2008 for the penny to start dropping, then so be it," said Parker.

"We need to get everybody looking at the real problems and so I hope we do not qualify."


Parker was part of the last England side that failed to qualify for a major tournament, the 1994 World Cup in the United States.

And he says the authorities must address the issue of foreign players and English players coming through the ranks.

"There are too many foreign players in this country," the 1990 World Cup semi-finalist told the Mirror. "But it's more than that.

"Just because the top players are getting paid £100,000 per week doesn't make it the best league, just the best-paid league.

"What we need to see is younger players coming through into the Premier League from the lower divisions.

"The scouts aren't interested in drudging around the lower leagues, they just want to fly off to Italy and Spain and sit in a warm directors' box. We're the only country that doesn't look at its own.

"It could be a major bonus for English football if we don't go through to Euro 2008 - but only if the Football Association and everybody else starts talking and come to the realisation that we're not good enough as a national team."

Meanwhile, Russia striker Alexander Kerzhakov says England are struggling to qualify for Euro 2008 because money has diminished the work ethic of the players.

"England have a team of big stars who earn an awful lot of money from playing with their private deals," he said.

"Russia have a compact group of players who don't have anywhere near as much money, but with far more hard workers on the field. That's the difference between the countries.

"That's why we are in a strong position and England have been left just hoping."

England need Israel to pick up at least a point against Russia, or for Macedonia to beat Croatia, if they are to realistically stay in with a chance of qualifying.

And Kerzhakov says he has little sympathy for England's plight.

"I understand that the Euro 2008 finals without players like Steven Gerrard, Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney would be strange," he said.

"But England have not performed on the field and Russia have more points, so that is how it should be.

"It isn't always the superstars who win football matches. We deserve to be in the finals because we've lost only once and that sums up our consistency."

England take on Austria in a friendly on Friday before their final qualifying game against Croatia next Wednesday.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/i...als/7095794.stm

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Russia can relax a bit, sip some vodka and wriggle thru to Euro 2008. England, on the other hand, could be out, return home drunk and embarassed..lthough I would like to see England qualify..the pressure is really on them now.
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England: Carson; Richards, Campbell, Lescott, Bridge; Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, J Cole; Owen, Crouch.


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ooo interestng back-four

hmm Lampard taking over from Gareth Barry?
why am i not surprised

good choice tho choosing Carson over Robinson

but still
losing faith in England....
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England doesn't inspire confidence or give their fans plenty to cheer for. Just support them but don't have high expectation that they will do well in international tournament. I have given up hope on them to do anything good in international stages.
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it's too late for England, maybe this is a very good lesson for them to regain their national football pride...

See how France re-establish them as all time football giants after their failure of making 1994 World Cup...England should learn from the French
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it's too late for England, maybe this is a very good lesson for them to regain their national football pride...

See how France re-establish them as all time football giants after their failure of making 1994 World Cup...England should learn from the French
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England also don't qualified for WC 1994, don't seem that they reestablished themselves also.
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England also don't qualified for WC 1994, don't seem that they reestablished themselves also.
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start praying McClaren.
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England are totally not up to standard during second half. I can't believe that they were almost owned by the Austrian. Credits to Austrian who plays so well, contain the English players.
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why in the world do you want to play david beckham in a game like this? what on earth is there to be gained?
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My prediction is McClown will get the boots. laugh.gif laugh.gif I think anyone can see that coming when the FA appointed him as the manager for England..
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why in the world do you want to play david beckham in a game like this? what on earth is there to be gained?
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This has been the case for McClown ever since he taking over. Others use friendly games to try out new players/formation/strategy but he go on and play his first team instead blink.gif
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stupid friendly and now another star in the injury list.....

good job McClown...

ohh wait....England not gonna qualify anyway......so why bother.....
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doh.gif the English FA must be cursing themselves now for sticking to McClown. Owen is gonna be a has been soon with all the injuries he's having lately. The Toon's will be blardee pissed with his latest injury.
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England can now officially stew in their own juice lol

when england comes back in WC 2010
many of the players will be in their ~30s
dnno if they can win their places again

but until then... go Germany! XD

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# If Russia fail to beat Israel on Saturday, a win for England over Croatia next Wednesday would see them through.

# If Russia beat Israel, but then slip to a shock defeat to Andorra next Wednesday, again an England win over Croatia would see them through

# If Russia beat Israel and Andorra, England's only hope would be to finish above Croatia. They would therefore need Croatia to lose in Macedonia on Saturday and for them to then beat Slaven Bilic's side 2-0 or by three clear goals to progress


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/i...als/7097938.stm

Their best hope is for Israel to get something from the Russians since I doubt #2 [Russia slip up against Andorra] & #3 [Croatia lose in Macedonia] will happen.
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England manager Steve McClaren has admitted the injury which will keep Michael Owen out of Wednesday's crucial Euro 2008 qualifier against Croatia is a 'massive blow'.

McClaren's side recorded a 1-0 friendly win over Austria in Vienna on Friday, courtesy of a 44th minute Peter Crouch header, but Owen limped off in the first half with a thigh strain and initial reports suggest he faces a month on the sidelines.

If Israel can record a positive result against Russia in Euro 2008 qualification on Saturday, England will meet Croatia four days later knowing a win would be enough to progress to next summer's finals in Austria and Switzerland.

However, England will be forced to do so without Owen, much to the disappointment of McClaren.

Concern

England are already without the injured Wayne Rooney and the suspended Rio Ferdinand, while John Terry is also very unlikely to be fit and McClaren has revealed his concern.

"It is a massive blow," McClaren told Sky Sports 1.

"Injuries are part of football and unfortunately we need to win on Wednesday and I do believe we are going to be without two centre halves and our two centre forwards.

"But I've every confidence that if it comes to that, and I believe it will, that there is enough in that dressing room.

Spirit

"There is spirit in there and they want to do it as much for the fans as anybody. Who could get 4,000 fans to a friendly in Austria? Only England.

"It would be great if we're in with a chance to do that after Saturday night."

McClaren, though, insists he was pleased with England's performance and is adamant he is not considering his future as manager if the national side fail to qualify.

"It's been a hard week and credit to the players this was not an easy game. We didn't want it to be an easy game and it to be a test," he added. "Now we have got to just sit and wait.

"I'm not worried about that (his own future) at the present moment. All I'm worried about is the results and hopefully getting a chance on Wednesday to qualify."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11966_2887555,00.html
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nope, fingers crossed that russia will thump israel! flex.gif
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This has been the case for McClown ever since he taking over. Others use friendly games to try out new players/formation/strategy but he go on and play his first team instead  blink.gif
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if russia wins tonite match that means england lose??

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What time Russia playing? Any live? To be honest (No Offense you guyz) I really hope England for once didn't make it to euro. England need a strong wake up. First release Steve M. Find an appropriate coach such as Aston villa manager (What his name ?) He has a good record. Why on earth people never elect him. What a mistake
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if russia wins tonite match that means england lose??
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If Russia win tonight, Russia have 24points and England 23points, both team still have one match left to play on next wednesday.

Next match : - Andorra v Russia, England v Croatia

I don't think Russia will drop points for Andorra match.

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Israel won't get any bigger fans than tonite.... tongue.gif
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What time Russia playing? Any live? To be honest (No Offense you guyz) I really hope England for once didn't make it to euro. England need a strong wake up. First release Steve M. Find an appropriate coach such as Aston villa manager (What his name ?) He has a good record. Why on earth people never elect him. What a mistake
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QUOTE(unknown @ Nov 18 2007, 12:06 AM)
2AM starting playing, but Astro CH811 showing delay match on 3AM.
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Thankx bro for a speedy reply notworthy.gif . So any side in ya mind tongue.gif
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Israel 1 goal up I'm told.

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plz..one more goal to israel.if this continue.might see quality match for england vs croatia this wednesday!! rclxms.gif
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wth..just finish watching scotland-italy then saw the score..isreal leading.. sweat.gif must be joking me..btw..scotland got robbed!!!!how can the chiellini clear push on hutton not be a foul..WTF wei.. mad.gif
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QUOTE(Aztec @ Nov 18 2007, 02:59 AM)
wth..just finish watching scotland-italy then saw the score..isreal leading.. sweat.gif must be joking me..btw..scotland got robbed!!!!how can the chiellini clear push on hutton not be a foul..WTF wei.. mad.gif
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russia doesnt seems to be playing to win....... shakehead.gif

and italy won against scotland........justice had been undone wif that stupid late clearly Italy foul on Scotland player but referee awarded the freekick that lid to the winnning goal......WTF??
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oooo..1-1 already.. smile.gif
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england gonna have a chance.. doh.gif 2 more minutes to go..cant belive this

EDIT:WTF!!greatest miracle that happen in israel in 2000years..isreal2-1russia.. rclxub.gif

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England got their chances now......

i cant wait the wednesday match........

and that makes McClown looks even more stupid for that friendly that caused the Owen injury..... doh.gif doh.gif
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2-1 to Israel.

Heheh. After all this, how funny would it be if England loses against Croatia??
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each isreali player should be paid 100,000pounds each if england qualifies for euro08.. doh.gif
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each isreali player should be paid 100,000pounds each if england qualifies for euro08.. doh.gif
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it's too good to be true
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Joe Cole is going to send Ben Haim and his family on a holiday, that is sure. He already said it on the papers.
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crap... russia lost??

oh well. still a chance england will get beaten by crotaia.
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Joe Cole is going to send Ben Haim and his family on a holiday, that is sure. He already said it on the papers.
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haha..is this true?
just like family..help each other out..haha tongue.gif
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WTF! now england can gaga balik about coming back to euro 2008 already after the late goal. although i dont fancy england at all but i really hope they will beat croatia in wembley unlike the turkish chaos 4 years ago. fuiyoh what a shocking result 2 start my sembahyang subuh. laugh.gif laugh.gif


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2-1 to Israel.

Heheh. After all this, how funny would it be if England loses against Croatia??
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they wont lost in wembley. thats 4 sure. although its hard 2 say but i will cross my fingers on that.

QUOTE(e30 @ Nov 18 2007, 04:06 AM)
crap... russia lost??

oh well. still a chance england will get beaten by crotaia.
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not likely when england is playing in home turf and having scored 3 goals in 3 previous home matches. although shame at home against macedonia but they will score 4 sure.

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hahahaahahha .... my prediction is true ... isreal is not easy to be at home lol .... too much expectations on the russian to win this lol ...... found themselves lost lol ....

if im not mistaken england just need to draw croatia right or win ???
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One point to bring them to EURO 2008. smile.gif
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Fixed match I'd say.
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can't be fixed match, russia hit the post in the injury time. that's all because of pressure, before i predicted will end in draw but now seem even better result for england.

QUOTE(e30 @ Nov 18 2007, 04:06 AM)
crap... russia lost??

oh well. still a chance england will get beaten by crotaia.
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crotia qualified already. england 99% will qualify due to it will bring huge revenue for the euro 2008.
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Totaly a laughing stock match for Russia.

Okay, so now what ? England beat Crotia to qualify right ?

But, keep in mind that Croatia also lose to macedonia. So in wednesday, drool.gif

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i can't believe Israel won.....
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England will need only a draw to qualify, considering the 8 goals difference.
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England only need a draw to Croatia who already qualified.
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i start to believe football is fixed by bookie ...
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QUOTE(ihawk98 @ Nov 18 2007, 09:22 AM)
i can't believe Israel won.....
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But can you believe Croatia lose to macedonia by 2 goals... rclxub.gif

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We LOVE you Israel.
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Sure tis is match fixing, English FA is rich btw.

I see the way russians play. What a dissapointment Russia do not qualify. Damm lucky England.

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Sure tis is match fixing, English FA is rich btw.

I see the way russians play. What a dissapointment Russia do not qualify. Damm lucky England.
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Mate, did you even watch the match?

The Russian under pressure to perform.
They came so close to winning but luck just ran out on them.

The ball is round and sometimes the best team doesn't win.
Miracle happens once in a while. (remember CL final 99? CL final 05?)
That's the joy of football. tongue.gif
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this is truly an unexpected gift. Gus Hiddink is not one to give chances to England and yet his team lost.

it is back in England's hands now...and sadly, in Mclaren....
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England got chance
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Golan has been promised a #50,000 Mercedes by Manchester-based bookmaker Fred Done for his winner but the effort could be worth much more to the FA, given it means England do not have to beat Croatia, something which could have been very tough without so many key men.

WTF~~???!!!! shocking.gif
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now england will qualify...
if they still dont qualify, i guess they should just stop playing football...

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hehe...lolz...but now they will qualify..
looks like england 'bought' their qualification to euro
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QUOTE(ksc_3688 @ Nov 18 2007, 10:27 AM)
hehe...lolz...but now they will qualify..
looks like england 'bought' their qualification to euro
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I'm not so sure about that.
Now, it's England to lose it.

But I'm sure Croatia would help their neighboring country to qualify.
Still all to play for.
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QUOTE(ihawk98 @ Nov 18 2007, 09:57 AM)
this is truly an unexpected gift.  Gus Hiddink is not one to give chances to England and yet his team lost. 

it is back in England's hands now...and sadly, in Mclaren....
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McClaren isn't the problem in the national team. I'm sure he can get it right given time. It's the players who has always let the team down. Gerrard and Lampard, the two 'world class' midfielder, doesn't perform the way expected and way below their level in club level. McClaren has found the partnership of Gerrard - Barry and that's a good thing. At least he is willing to try new combination of midfield, unlike Sven.
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England has been given a free jail card in their hands. If now they don't qualify they are the most stup*d nation of all. Destiny is back to their hand.
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They will qualify for Euro2008 but then will flop again in the group stage of the finals
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told you guys already...

England will qualified...why?

Reason: Sponsorship. England qualified will attract lots of sponsorship around the world, that will certainly boost the financial for UEFA.
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the job still not done, if croatia sneak a 1-0 win and russia win the last match, bye bye england
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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Nov 18 2007, 10:48 AM)
told you guys already...

England will qualified...why?

Reason: Sponsorship. England qualified will attract lots of sponsorship around the world, that will certainly boost the financial for UEFA.
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totally agree wit u bro....
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Yup. But the very least they have destiny in their hand. If they failed to take this chance McClown should go. Any how IMO McClown should go anywhere although if they qualify for the tournament. The FA got it wrong by appointing him at the helm.
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QUOTE(beck_ken @ Nov 18 2007, 10:48 AM)
told you guys already...

England will qualified...why?

Reason: Sponsorship. England qualified will attract lots of sponsorship around the world, that will certainly boost the financial for UEFA.
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means football is fixed?

like italy also, as the world champion ...
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QUOTE(ksc_3688 @ Nov 18 2007, 10:50 AM)
totally agree wit u bro....
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England is a piece of "FAT MEAT", don't care whether they have bunch of la-la players or have crap coach, how can UEFA wanna let go this piece of "FAT MEAT" out of the game.

Look at EPL itself you will know how many tv sponsorship's revenue around the world just to broadcast one match...
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I sincerely hope that this money talk is rubbish. If football is fixed, then why bother watching in the first place?
The EPL generates huge amounts of sponsorship revenue as it is the best marketed league in the world (or more precisely Asia). When it comes to national games, there are dozens of teams who are more popular than England.


Added on November 18, 2007, 11:19 amWhen's England playing anyways? Never want to miss further chances for England's lads to make a fool out of themselves again smile.gif

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great job!!
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Nov 18 2007, 11:18 AM)
When's England playing anyways? Never want to miss further chances for England's lads to make a fool out of themselves again smile.gif
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Channel:  STAR SPORTS(813)
Date:  Thursday, November 22, 2007
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Synopsis:
England vs. Croatia


http://www.astro.com.my/programming/channe...prog_id=4784724

They better not screw up with both Israel & Macedonia gifted them a big helping hand yesterday.

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i hope england wont become like malaysia pulak. last 2 tiger cup, after leading 1-2 away, malaysia lost 1-4 at home and collapse after scoring the 1st goal. doh.gif doh.gif that one was the most unforgiven match i ever seen. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

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and now Mclaren can confidently say i always expected to qualify,like he planned all this doh.gif
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OMG.. England given a lifeline by the Israelis.. LOL
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can i ask???? if croatia and england draw.... will both of them qualify or eng only?
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can i ask???? if croatia and england draw.... will both of them qualify or eng only?
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Yes. Croatia and England qualify
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McClaren: Expects to make finals now

McClown don't be a big joke. What do you mean by you expect to make to the finals. You still to go out there and not got beaten by the Croats. You have been given a lifeline by the Israelian. If England to qualify it is down to luck rather than any of our management and coaching skills. You got the audacity to say that so more. mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif
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can i ask???? if croatia and england draw.... will both of them qualify or eng only?
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Croatia already qualified so they will take it a little easy against England next week so as not to risk silly injuries. I expect England to beat them.
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Where is David Beckham when he's needed the most? Is he coming back to play for England?
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Croatia already qualified so they will take it a little easy against England next week so as not to risk silly injuries.  I expect England to beat them.
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But they still want to maintain their top spot right ? rolleyes.gif
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I wanna confirm it does not actually matter which team secures top spot rite? Top placed team do not have any advantages over second place team?
Will top teams be seeded during the draw?

If this the case, maybe Wednesday match between Croatia and England will be ended up in a draw or maybe Croatia will do Russia a favour by defeating England since England losses many key players and Croatia is part of Soviet Union several years ago.

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Russia talk so much and lose to israel, I believe someone start to curse russia to lose too much.
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Still, it'll be funny as hell if somehow England screws up and lose. With all this celebrating, you'd think they won the WC already. A strikeforce of Defoe and Crouch, that should send the Croatian defence peeing in their pants.
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QUOTE(chyz66 @ Nov 18 2007, 02:15 PM)
But they still want to maintain their top spot right ?  rolleyes.gif
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if they lose, then they will be level with England on points. i am not sure if qualifying on top ensures seeding in the draw but if it does, then yes, i think Croatia will play to draw.
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Croatia has beaten England in WC 2006. I believe this will be a hard match for England since Terry,Owen and Rooney aren't playing.
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this qualifying round, bookies are the top winner.
they make England gonna get kick out, then ppl will idiotically go bet for Russia whoop Israel's ass....ended up the other way round....
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QUOTE(siren @ Nov 18 2007, 03:27 PM)
I wanna confirm it does not actually matter which team secures top spot rite? Top placed team do not have any advantages over second place team?
Will top teams be seeded during the draw?

If this the case, maybe Wednesday match between Croatia and England will be ended up in a draw or maybe Croatia will do Russia a favour by defeating England since England losses many key players and Croatia is part of Soviet Union several years ago.
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I think group winners will be seeded. England needs to beat Croatia by 2 goals or more to top the group.
BTW Croatia never was part of Russia but rather part of Yugoslavia.

QUOTE(Ash @ Nov 18 2007, 05:00 PM)
Croatia has beaten England in WC 2006. I believe this will be a hard match for England since Terry,Owen and Rooney aren't playing.
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Did we watch the same WC06? AFAIK Coatia beat England in Euro 08 qualifying.
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Israel save England and also Mclaren's hat
Russia screwed themself in the match, the last goal should blame on their defense
and Croatia match is crucial, i think a draw or win would be enough for England to qualify
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England to draw with Croatia? On current form, FAT CHANCE. England to shoot themselves in the foot and lose!
Someone mentioned Becks? With all due respect, he saved England's arse many a times, but from what I've read of his performances in his herbalife jersey, he's way way past it sad.gif
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beckham will be the hero for england again trust me biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(mfaizalzul @ Nov 18 2007, 03:25 PM)
scotland better than england....
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You know, I just don't get people like this. Is this England National Talk or Let's Flame England Talk? Because if it's the latter, let me know and I won't set in here again.

This is as retarded as a United fan going to the Arsenal thread and saying

We better than you.....heeehe rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Spiv @ Nov 18 2007, 03:31 PM)
Russia talk so much and lose to israel, I believe someone start to curse russia to lose too much.
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ya, actually i want russia to win
but russia talk too much and really berlagak
they deserved to lost yesterday

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O'Neill and Curbs talk England

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Martin O'Neill is refusing to be drawn on speculation linking him with the England job, while Alan Curbishley has already ruled himself out of the running should Steve McClaren be sacked.

Israel's defeat of Russia on Saturday has put England in pole position to book their place at Euro 2008, aware that they only need to avoid defeat to Croatia in midweek to ensure progression.

However, things appeared much bleaker prior to Russia's loss in Tel Aviv, with McClaren thought to be working on borrowed time as England contemplated a summer without international football.

O'Neill has persistently been linked with the England job in the past and was interviewed prior to McClaren's appointment.

Should England indeed qualify for Austria and Switzerland then it seems highly unlikely The FA will sack a manager they were criticised for appointing in the first place, with O'Neill loath to be drawn on the inevitable speculation.

No point

"There is no point in speculating on speculation," he told the Daily Star Sunday.

"Let's take it one step at a time. That's the way to run with it.

"My own view, and I'm not just saying it for the sake of it, is that England's recent performances have been excellent."

No deal

While O'Neill stopped short of ruling himself out of contention, West Ham boss Curbishley has done just that - confirming there are no get-out clauses in his contract with regards taking other jobs.

"When I was at Charlton I had all sorts of clauses in the contract - and that's why I was given permission to talk in the first place," he told the Observer.

"But I didn't seek any of those sort of things in this contract.

"I'm ruling myself out entirely. This is where I want to be and this is where I want to be successful, so I've got no intention of leaving the club."


http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11677_2889312,00.html
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QUOTE(munky @ Nov 18 2007, 06:24 PM)
beckham will be the hero for england again trust me biggrin.gif
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england still need beckham even mclaren decides to drop him or put him on the bench..
he is a big match player, and as for me, he plays foe the country, and not for the name or money..
he is a true england player and not forgetting he is the ex england captain
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QUOTE(ksc_3688 @ Nov 18 2007, 07:13 PM)
england still need beckham even mclaren decides to drop him or put him on the bench..
he is a big match player, and as for me, he plays foe the country, and not for the name or money..
he is a true england player and not forgetting he is the ex england captain
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maybe you're right about he play for england not for money
but he joined LA Galaxy absolutely for money tongue.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Nov 18 2007, 06:21 PM)
England to draw with Croatia? On current form, FAT CHANCE. England to shoot themselves in the foot and lose!
Someone mentioned Becks? With all due respect, he saved England's arse many a times, but from what I've read of his performances in his herbalife jersey, he's way way past it sad.gif
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But then again, Russia to kill themselves with a comical own goal against Andorra which ended in draw. laugh.gif
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Qualify or not. Mclaren should be replace. The way England played is just far from what we call world class. I don't want to waste those talented players. It is sad to see these players can't play as a great team. In each dept, we got at least a world class player, except goalie. All we need is a coach who can combine their talent and create a strong team. Mclaren is not the person. But again I think England should look again at foreign manager.
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Ditto. Agree with what with you have to say. The current crop of players could be consider the golden generation. They got only like 2 more tournaments left to achieve something in the international level. If the FA can't get the right man at the helm, they won't win anything at all in the foreseeable future
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i got a feeling that match against croatia will rely heavily on Beckham's cross...
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England will sure qualify...they always got luck!!
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now, Beckham has a chance to show the world how he can save ENGLAND.
he has to produce good crosses.
i predict: his corners will lead to goals

or

his free kick will enter goal.

Hopefully....England qualifies..
or else, i will support ITALY again..
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QUOTE(bravura @ Nov 18 2007, 09:54 PM)
i got a feeling that match against croatia will rely heavily on Beckham's cross...
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what's wrong with that ???

beckham's crossing and passing are world class ...

or depend on that lampard ?
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no , beckham not england saviour shakehead.gif . gerrard is thumbup.gif
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Beckham and Gerrard both are saviour of England!=p Beckham curl 1 freekick into the goal then gerrard fire a volley into the back of the net!muahaha~!
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On that subject on England hero I doubt any of the current players have done themselves any justice. None of them when donning the color of the country has been playing good. So at the time being I wouldn't say any of those players in the current squad as a national hero unless they can achieve something great at the international stage. By saying that I mean winning a trophy at international level not only qualifying for a major tournament.
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QUOTE(bravura @ Nov 18 2007, 09:54 PM)
i got a feeling that match against croatia will rely heavily on Beckham's cross...
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And Crouch's header since he will be the target for his crosses.....

QUOTE(renoma1972 @ Nov 18 2007, 11:06 PM)
what's wrong with that ???

beckham's crossing and passing are world class ...

or depend on that lampard ?
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Nothing wrong but HOW LONG can England rely on him anyway? Whenever there is a crisis then they rely on Beckham?

Don't tell me they need a Beckham's freekick/cross [assist] for them to win a match rolleyes.gif
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1st: mclarren shud be sack ages ago.
2nd: you know england will always qualify for a major tournament if you are a betting kaki.

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QUOTE(stupidbump @ Nov 19 2007, 12:06 AM)
1st: mclarren shud be sack ages ago.
2nd: you know england will always qualify for a major tournament if you are a betting kaki.
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Give them credit will you? Might as well suggest that Scotland were robbed by the Mafia or some shit.
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Give them credit will you? Might as well suggest that Scotland were robbed by the Mafia or some shit.
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well at least it did happen before the scandal in italy that cost juventus to go serie B laugh.gif who knows, plus happen before malaysian involved in activity trying to blast the stadium's power supply so game can be cancel ,lupa which game already biggrin.gif

anyway, england better qualify coz i just bought the new umbro biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(akRia @ Nov 19 2007, 01:51 AM)
well at least it did happen before the scandal in italy that cost juventus to go serie B laugh.gif who knows, plus happen before malaysian involved in activity trying to blast the stadium's power supply so game can be cancel ,lupa which game already biggrin.gif

anyway, england better qualify coz i just bought the new umbro biggrin.gif
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england MUST win
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QUOTE(bravura @ Nov 18 2007, 09:54 PM)
i got a feeling that match against croatia will rely heavily on Beckham's cross...
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Combination with the tall ace Crouch. smile.gif

QUOTE(ProKing @ Nov 18 2007, 10:42 PM)
now, Beckham has a chance to show the world how he can save ENGLAND.
Hopefully....England qualifies..
or else, i will support ITALY again..
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Whoa.. You sound like another Squidward. He support the team when its during the glory days and left them when they are not performing well. Another England wanna-be fans. dry.gif

QUOTE(renoma1972 @ Nov 18 2007, 11:06 PM)
what's wrong with that ???

beckham's crossing and passing are world class ...

or depend on that lampard ?
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I sense the flaming. Lampard had improved since WC06. He had done well and proved himself to everyone after WC06. Don't join those retards and starts booing the kid with talents. Rooney did not score after 7 months of absence during his international cap, why didn't you boo him then?

QUOTE(zamarano @ Nov 18 2007, 11:06 PM)
no , beckham not england saviour  shakehead.gif  . gerrard is  thumbup.gif
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Do you know who bought England to WC02? What are you? Recently-watch-football-cause-of-major-tournament-going-on fan? History stands firm and he is definitely a savior of England.

This starts to piss me off when there's the so-called England fans are trying to pull down their spirits by saying the bad things of them. Hell, if you saying yourself an England fan aren't you suppose to share the happiness and downtimes with them throughout the game?

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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Nov 19 2007, 03:00 AM)

I sense the flaming. Lampard had improved since WC06. He had done well and proved himself to everyone after WC06. Don't join those retards and starts booing the kid with talents. Rooney did not score after 7 months of absence during his international cap, why didn't you boo him then?

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flaming ? u can report my post if u sense flaming nod.gif

if he really that good y mclaren drop him for recent matches and play barry instead ? u must be sleeping during international matches and only judge him in epl matches

http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/match?id=197448&cc=4716

this is open forum, go back to ur chelsea thread if u dun like criticism on ur player nod.gif




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QUOTE(renoma1972 @ Nov 19 2007, 06:57 AM)
flaming ? u can report my post if u sense flaming nod.gif

if he really that good y mclaren drop him for recent matches and play barry instead ? u must be sleeping during international matches and only judge him in epl matches

http://soccernet-akamai.espn.go.com/match?id=197448&cc=4716

this is open forum, go back to ur chelsea thread if u dun like criticism on ur player nod.gif
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Without epl matches you can't prove that the players is good enough for international level. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Nov 19 2007, 10:04 AM)
Without epl matches you can't prove that the players is good enough for international level.  whistling.gif
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While a players form in the EPL does give the England manager some sense of how he will perform on the international stage, the results are far from conclusive. Take Robbie Fowler and Ian Wright at two such examples. Both were scoring goals for fun at club lever but failed to light the international stage alight. In more recent times, players like Lampard and Gerrard have failed to bring their club form onto the international stage. Why weren't they dropped at some point? I'd bet my bottom dollar that a major reason was their reputation as players, coupled by pressure from the English media. People have gone on to say that at this crucial stage of England's qualifying campaign, experience counts. Yes, but so does hunger and desire, and since when have the likes of Bentley, Lita, Huddlestone, and company not had any experience? Players like James Milner are already considered seasoned veterans having graced the Premiership at 16. Most of them have played in Europe for their clubs against quality opposition. Is this to suggest that teams in the UEFA Cup are worse off than the likes of Macedonia and Andorra? All this repetitive talk about needs "experienced" players is beginning to annoy me. Firstly, the back up players are not exactly fresh out of the academy and secondly, exuberance, determination and drive do matter a great deal.

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